2016 Postmortem
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It's happening... and Clinton may well be unable to stop it... Could... "We The People" Finally Achieve REAL CHANGE?Media coverage of Sanders is starting to shift from dismissive to grudging respect...
There is also starting to be a change in how the Sanders campaign is getting covered in the corporate media. In Pennsylvania, the states main newspaper, the Philadelphia Inquirer, has been consistently dismissive of the Sanders campaign, but the morning after the Temple rally, the papers front page featured a large photo showing a crush of young supports struggling to shake Sanders hand over a headline that read Sanders stirs a frenzy in visit to Temple.
As the Sanders campaign continues to surge (hes now won seven of the last eight primary contests, all by landslides or even by tsunami margins), and as polls in states like Pennsylvania and New York where he was once down by 30-40 points, narrow to low single digits weeks before the next round of primaries, Clintons team, increasingly desperate to turn things around, is reportedly shifting to a campaign strategy of disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.
Even cops kids are backing Bernie
As we were heading back to our car with from the rally, my wife and I found ourselves walking behind the head of Temple Universitys police department, which had largely handled the security and traffic issues caused by the huge all-day line of people coming to attend the rally. A tall crew-cut wearing guy who looked 100% cop, when we complemented him on how his officers had handled the crowd management issue, he told us his own 21-year-old son was a Bernie supporter. SNIP
WHAT IF?
At that point wed have a three-way race between Clinton, a Republican and Trump. What would Sanders do then? His backers, who have already provided his campaign with over $140 million in small donations and seem to be a bottomless well of support, will be calling for him to run too. Perhaps he would. If it came to that, perhaps the Green Party should consider the bold idea of making him its standard bearer a move that would assure his already high-flying campaign a place on the ballot in virtually every state, and that would simultaneously suddenly catapult the Green Party from an election footnote capable of winning a percent or two of votes to a major-league party vying for the top prize (and maybe some seats in Congress into the bargain).
Maybe thats a fantasy, but its a beautiful one, entailing as it would the decimation of the two massively corrupt parties that have conspired to stymie political change in the US for generations. SNIP
http://www.nationofchange.org/news/2016/04/07/clintons-crumbling-bernies-surging-political-revolution-offing/ SNIP
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)we the people to see this majority to the end, Hillary has more delegates and will be the nominee.
KPN
(15,642 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)KPN
(15,642 posts)as you Hillarians tend to ceaselessly point out, it's not the national polls that count, delegates are decided at the State level not national. Bernie's looking very good right now as far as delegates go projecting out. Hillary is collapsing.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He is steadily rising
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Currently Sanders needs to get 60% of the results to get the number of required delegates. BTW, all primaries have happened in 2016.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And has lost about 40% over that time. Momentum, Hillary style!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Be this far ahead.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Not a good thing going into a general election.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)fighting-irish
(75 posts)Good job!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Voters, ergo, we the people have spoken. Sanders complains about oligarchy but apparently some believe a small group should be in charge, no, it is the will of we the people.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)should your vote determine the winner before I get to vote? What if the primary/caucus schedule was flipped backwards and the deep south voted last? Do you think the people there would not want their votes to count? You have a circular argument that you can't defend. Ever been on a debate team? Apparently not.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Speaks through a majority, I do not want oligarchy ruling my country so therefore I vote. What makes you think the delegates from your state count any more or less than any other state? Primaries are held on different days, delegates are determined on the different days, the delegates vote at the convention, BTW, the vote will be called by states.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)will not vote for Hillary. Nomination or not! I'd rather fight in the streets than die at the ballot box.
fighting-irish
(75 posts)Bernie will win the rest of the states in a convincing fashion.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The other candidates. I know Sanders has spoken often of oligarchy, surely he does not think a minority of the people should be running the country, it would maybe them the oligarchy.
fighting-irish
(75 posts)You fail to understand that no-one gives a hoot about popular votes when primaries are concerned.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)That IS happening. It's happening even if we don't win the Democratic nomination. The American people are absolutely awakening to how we have been screwed over by both parties. The on-going screw by the Democratic Party "Turd Way" strangulation of the grass roots is as plain as it can be. And the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld Republican legacy is haunting the other party behind the "clown show."
Interesting scenario for a 4-candidate race in the fall. Clinton & Cruz of the traditional parties, Trump & Sanders representing the disaffected of both parties and the independents.
I frankly think Trump is running to put Clinton in the White House. So I don't think he'll continue if the R nomination goes to Cruz (or someone else). I don't think Trump wants to be president. I think his candidacy is orchestrated to elect the Goldman Sachs candidate. Also, I don't think Sanders will continue his campaign unless a 4-candidate race develops (Trump stays in), and I'm not sure what Sanders would do even in that case. He has gone to considerable lengths NOT to harm the Democratic Party. I'm sure Sanders would thrash the other three in the GE in a 4-candidate race. But I think such a scenario is not very likely. However, who knows? Interesting year!
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Likely, no candidate would get a majority of electoral votes.
That means the House of Representatives would decide the president. Guess who that would be in this scenario? Hint: The worst possible guy.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Bernie may be our last chance at taking the country back for the Corporate Elite
None of the other candidates will ever even try.
azmom
(5,208 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!!!!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)He's a nutbar CTer who thinks that the CIA was behind the Boston Marathon bombing.
He's a loon.
Sid
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)You must first start at the grass roots by supporting like minded candidates who win elections at the state and federal legislative levels. Then, and only then, can you coalesce around a single individual to lead your political coalition. You don't start with a 75 year old man and hope to build political coalition later. Because of that, Sanders' extreme proposals will be dead on arrival in the state and federal legislatures. Even the Tea Party knew that much.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)for a U.S. House seat... Let me tell you... Bernie IS TELLING YOU EXACTLY LIKE IT IS! NEARLY EVERYBODY OF BOTH... READ THAT... BOTH PARTIES IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BERNIE AND HIS TEAM IS BEING GENTEEL TO SUBMIT THAT THE RIGGING HAS ONLY BEGUN WITH CITIZENS'S UNITED... I GOT "THE OFFER" FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL LOBBYISTS... AND I TURNED IT DOWN! MOST DO NOT AND THAT INCLUDES HILLARY! SO.. WHATEVER HAPPENS BERNIE IS OUR LAST AND ONLY HOPE FOR REAL CHANGE IN YOUR LIFETIME.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Sanders doesn't have one. Sanders' ego risks Citizens United for a generation. He's a very selfish person IMO.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The guy's work has been honored by Project CENSORED among others. Those who smear his good name are most undemocratic.