Are there women in any of the top leadership roles at the Vatican?

[LexVegas]

If not, why?

[WhiteTara]

1. ...

This is the ultimate boys club. Women clean up after them, that is all. There are some women in organization associated with the Vatican, but the Vatican remains off limits to women.

[LexVegas]

3. Do they think they arent qualified? What gives? nt

[WhiteTara]

11. What qualifies cardinals, bishops and priests

is a penis. Did you read about the Burning Times? Women (and gays) were burned at the stake by the Church and the Inquisition was a way to remove women from any position of power and wealth. The Church has become "enlightened" and no longer murders women for being witches, but they are far from giving women any role in their club.

[Time for change]

58. I am not Catholic and I believe that women should have just as much role as men in any

religious organization if they want it.

But that does not negate the tremendous contribution that our current Pope has made to the social justice movement or that he thought enough of Bernie's potential role in that movement to have him invited to the Vatican.

[haikugal]

25. Well they have a few other uses...just as children do. nt

[WhiteTara]

30. Yes the only roles allowed women in the Church

is mother and whore. I know the current pope is "liberal" and loved, but the Church is still a horror.

[haikugal]

33. Religion is a horror that turns otherwise normal people into zombies.

[WhiteTara]

38. Wasn't it Marx who said

Religion is the opiate of the people?

[haikugal]

40. I think opiates are less damaging.

[WhiteTara]

44. they could be since

zombies come back from the dead again and again.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I would have to say, probably not.

Why not?

Where have you been? The Vatican is the home base of one of the most misogynistic organizations ever.

Women can't be priests, never mind being in a position of power and influence in the Vatican.

[Joob]

4. Nope, guess bernie is sexist for going there now nt

[H2O Man]

5. The Virgin Mary?

[WhiteTara]

12. She is considered a "vessel"

and plays a minor role.

[scscholar]

41. And that is the type of crap Bernie...

is supporting by supporting them.

[WhiteTara]

45. I somehow don't think he sees it that way

but as a great honor to be chosen as a participant in a forum on inequality. I'm sure he'll cherish his picture with the Pope though.

[WhiteTara]

46. I somehow don't think he sees it that way

but as a great honor to be chosen as a participant in a forum on inequality. I'm sure he'll cherish his picture with the Pope though. Besides Rome should be beautiful this time of year.

[beam me up scottie]

57. You know who else supports the pope?

You were saying?

[scscholar]

59. OK, so a DINO supports him...

that doesn't mean that we should.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Obama is a DINO now?

[NWCorona]

6. How is this primary related

Unless you are trying to pin this on Bernie.

[KPN]

14. No unless. Just the latest Bernie's a misogynist meme.

The Clinton camp has no integrity, no shame.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

7. The new meme of the day has arrived, after #PapalGate proved an unmitigated failure for Team HRC

[peacebird]

18. Bingo! Since the first meme (he asked to be invited) blew up, as did the second (protocal breach)

So now let's settle on "Bernie is misogynistic for accepting an invite to speak at the Vatican, because the Church hierarchy is male dominated"



My goodness, the desperation & flop sweat stench from Camp Weathervane is suffocating.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Maybe you should ask Hillary if she's allowed to hold a top position in the Family?

Since she's actually a member of a conservative Christian cult that's much more relative, don't you think?

[peacebird]

19. Oooh, good one!

[haikugal]

22. Well done...

[joshcryer]

27. Shartlet' book specifically says she was not a member.

Why make stuff up?

suming the diagram is about supporting a given system. It would be two cells, one exclusive, one non-exclusive. Both systems are exclusive from the point of view of Spaude and Coe as they have their own non-inclusive agendas at the top. They both happen to be anti-gay, for example.

I read his book after two days of researching, and I bet that a lot of people haven't.

Here's what he says about Clinton:

Hillary may well be God's beautiful child, but she's not a member of Coe's Family. Rather, I'd been told at Ivanwald, she's a "friend," less elect then a member, but more chosen than the rest of us. A fellow traveler but not a sister. Her goals are not their goals; but when on occasion they coincide, Hillary and the Family can work together.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Oh EXCUSE me, she's an "active participant" according to his article in Mother Jones:

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating or living her faith?

—Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet on Sat. September 1, 2007 3:00 AM PDT

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

Quibbling over semantics = deflection

[joshcryer]

48. Every woman senator attended the prayer breakfasts, and STILL do.

That Clinton at times associated is not controversial.

[beam me up scottie]

49. She did a lot more than attend, why are you obfuscating?

Maybe you guys should stop bringing up religious beliefs when you want to smear Bernie?

[joshcryer]

51. I read Shartlet's book.

The relationship was not as conspiring as you suggest.

I'm making zero comment about the OP posted just to rule people up.

[beam me up scottie]

52. Sure you did.

[joshcryer]

55. The quote I posted is from it...

He spends like 2 whole pages talking about their "relationship" purely directed by the prayer breakfasts that women senators go to to this day. Even Elizabeth Warren goes to them. They are the sit down and talk without men just the ladies.

[wendylaroux]

54. Boom!!!!!!!!

your a quick one

[angstlessk]

9. Is Margaret Archer a man?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

10. Well played!

[TheFarS1de]

16. .....

Time for a goal post moving session

[WhiteTara]

35. She works with an organization affliiated with the Vatican

but is not in the Vatican.

[TheFarS1de]

37. ...

Like I said , move those posts

[rachacha]

13. Offtopic, please find another forum

[Goblinmonger]

15. So THIS is what gets outrage here about the RCC

In the past, everytime anyone said that the Pope was a bigot, we would get shot down because he's so awesome and liberal and trying so hard and changing things.

But now that SANDERS is going there for some meeting, people are all ready to call out the RCC.

It's laughable.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Right? Where was the op when we were discussing the Vatican's bigoted policies?

I don't recall seeing him criticizing the pope or the Vatican.

[Goblinmonger]

31. Anytime I've ever criticized the RCC here

I've been told I'm a bigot and anti-theist.

Good to know it's cool now.

[beam me up scottie]

43. Exactly, and we all know which candidate sided with the Vatican on marriage equality.

You would think her supporters would know better than to bring up religious beliefs.

[mainer]

17. Oh, god. Back to WOMEN AS VICTIMS. HILLARY AS VICTIM.

I'm a woman and I'm sick and tired of it.

[angstlessk]

23. I am a Catholic woman and am pissed at Hillary, the poor victim of misogyny

AND I am 62..not a naive young person looking for free tuition, which, by the way I received when I was a young un...free in-state tuition for all persons who qualified!

[haikugal]

21. It's the Catholic Church so no I don't imagine women are in power anywhere.

Why not? Is that a serious question? Look at the teachings..it's a misogynist organization, and always has been.

Your point?

Check out any Christian religious organizations and you'll find the same thing. Does this surprise you?

[AgingAmerican]

24. The Clinton lie has been exposed

So the trolling shifts gears. ..

[beam me up scottie]

26. I would tread carefully, wouldn't want you to step on anything important:

[Goblinmonger]

29. ZOMG THE OP HATES OBAMA

ADD TO THE PURGE LIST.

[seabeyond]

28. Sanders and Sorondo ignore Sorondo's boss, a woman. I know of one, anyway. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

39. Link to a citation showing the liar Archer is the Chancellor's boss?

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[polly7]

42. What?

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

[Else You Are Mad]

32. I would tread carefully...

If this is the new attack on Bernie, it may backfire spectacularly if Hillary and her camp starts insulting Catholics and the church. There is a huge Catholic voting bloc in NYC -- wait, on second thought I hope Hillary through her meme trolls and surrogates attack the Catholic Church. It may give Sanders the lead in NY.

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. Srsly? Isn't there a religious forum for bullshit like this?

Did you envision this post as some kind of GOTCHA!?

[mainer]

47. I am woman! I am victim! Vote for me!

Uh, no.

I'm a woman in my 60s. I earn more than almost any of my male colleagues. I earn more than my husband. I've never felt like a victim, and I don't plan to anytime soon.

There's nothing that gets me more riled up than to hear women say we should vote for Hillary because SHE'S A WOMAN AND THEY'RE ALL BEING MEAN TO HER.

It just demeans all women when you say that.

[nichomachus]

50. Well, I will definitely not vote for the Vatican for president

Nor for any corporatist warmongers.

[smiley]

53. I blame it on Bernie.

Come on really? This is your new angle?

[wendylaroux]

56. are you one of those antipopebro's?

you better stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avalux]

61. How petty and downright lame. n/t

[Armstead]

62. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo This is a classic. An absolute classic

It distills the essence of this primary in the wonderful tying together of totally unrelated subjects with Sanders, and with the obligatory claim of sexism as the denouement.

Beautiful. Congratulations.

[morningfog]

63. Because Bernie is a racist sexist doodoo head.