2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDamnit, Paul Krugman! Please put a sock in it about Bernie!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?_r=0I think you are terrific but you need to pull back and think this thing over. You just don't strike me as the kind of thinker that would be that much in the tank for a candidate the way you are for HRC. And I think you are sincere and not angling for a job in any HRC admnistration. But you are just wrong. And your readers are giving you an earful in the comments section...
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)economist because they always say "on the one hand....and on the other hand....", but I think old Paul has definitely broken the stereotype.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)has to go his own way...
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Bernie beat Hillary in the female vote in Wisconsin.
Hw does he justify the continued use of that label?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Because he sure seems to to have gotten to a position where he is see Nile.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He proved to be correct in many ways.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)this off the wall thing he has against Bernie...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the fact that his plans, to their mind, lack rigor and empirical support
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"I wont try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. Im not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. Weve already had that from the Bush administration remember Operation Flight Suit? We really dont want to go there again."
So they were venomous, dangerous a cult of personality who wanted their hero or nobody, and they were like Bush supporters.? In 2008 most of Hillary's 2016 supporters were Obama supporters so what does that add up to? Are they all like deprogrammed cult people now? What's he saying?
That quote is from his Hillary Defending attack on Obama supporters with the Drama Box title 'Hate Springs Eternal'. It's a jab at 'Hope and Change'. Hope springs eternal....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=0
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)people whose enthusiasm overwhelms their sense of decorum and facility for rational thought
amborin
(16,631 posts)integrity; you insult Bernie supporters, just as HRC does by your interpretation and comments.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)do not agree with each and every year as if they had never seen such outrageous comportment ever before. 'Hate Springs Eternal' presents Obama supporters as a unique phenomenon and criticisms of Hillary to be specialized and unprecedented, Krugman makes the same assertions about Bernie supporters this time. Joan Walsh, same routine. Same template sermons of contempt. No language like yours 'inevitable when one candidate is exiting'.
And it's all one sided for Paul and Joan and their DU counterparts. Hillary and her supporters cheering for the Reagans as AIDS heroes and claiming that the LGBT activists who did all the early work did nothing at all until Ronnie helped gets no criticism at all from Paul nor from Joan nor their counterparts here. None. Not a word about the level of ignorance displayed nor about the insults to the gay community inherent in her false commentary about Ron and Nancy. That's all acceptable. She's not sure if Bernie is a Democrat and certain that the Reagans were AIDS heroes but Paul and Joan are fine with that. Fine. They see nothing there worth even criticizing a bit. Not a word.
Paul said Obama supporters were a cult like group of hero worshipers much like Bush supporters. He was not correct about that. It was his own nasty, vicious and agenda driven characterization of Obama's supporters, many of whom are now Clinton supporters and presented by Paul and Joan as flawless saints. Same people. Many DU posters posing as eternal defenders of Hillary spent 2008 denigrating her in terrible ways. But now when they do the same to Bernie, it's all good. Paul and Joan approve.
It's double standards and hypocrisy and that's the basic flaw in Clinton Culture.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1) partisans tend to refrain from calling out the bad actors on their side. Krugman was a Clinton partisan in 2008.
2) some Obama supporters liked to portray Clinton supporters as either dorky clueless old people or rabid entitled white lady racists (Harriet Christian)--it was an ugly campaign
3) you're inventing a narrative on the Clinton's egregious statement on AIDS. there were very few of her supporters defending those remarks (I certainly didn't), and Clinton herself explicitly retracted them and apologized for them, twice. The statement itself was incredibly wrong-headed, but to act as if she didn't retract them and repudiate the substance of those comments is kinda bush league.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Over Paul Krugman.
And it's not like you've offered any evidence either.
Just because somebody doesn't fawn over Sanders doesn't make them inherently wrong or that they need to "put a sock in it" just because you don't like hearing it.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)to "Bernie Bros"? I can't imagine that any liberal could listen to Bernie today on Morning Joe and not be impressed at least with part of his message. I wish Paul would give him a little credit, specially now with the Vatican's invitation. Bernie is raising some of the same issues that Paul has raised. They have both made essentially the same point about the moral basis for economics. So why the shrillness now???
Broward
(1,976 posts)Finally, a Progressive candidate comes along and Krugman's doing everything he can to stop him in his tracks. He's proven to be just another faux liberal.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)As a Hillary supporter, I can admit that she is not a perfect candidate. Why is it Bernie's supporters cannot see any of his flaws? I understand why Bernie appeals to some people, but the worship of him like some deity is puzzling to me. As far as Krugman's readers go, the online Sanders enforcement squad is very organized and swarms anything negative that is said about Bernie-just like here on DU.
amborin
(16,631 posts)repugnant to anyone with a moral core; she has a documented history of highly questionable, if not
outright unethical, behaviors. Bernie's program may not appeal in its entirety, but Bernie's core self,
and his integrity, courage, honesty, win voters over.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)It's freed me up to actually enjoy life a bit more.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Fuck'm ... I lost respect for the man months ago ...
Katy Perry payments? .. Who knows ... That Saudi money is getting thrown about, hand over fist, to anybody and everybody willing to give Clinton some public accolade, or a hit job on Bernie ...
She wants to pay everybody, yet doesn't seem to understand that the WORKERS are the one's who need the raise, not her establishment sycophants.
Krugman can go to hell ...
w4rma
(31,700 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)He's a legitimate economist, but when he writes for the NYT he's a partisan political hack who will lie and distort for whoever he favors and against those he doesn't favor. I've never thought he had a shred of integrity as an opinion columnist.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)with this tirade against Bernie. I'm really sad about it...