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Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:11 AM Apr 2016

I'm sick and tired of the delegate counts...

I'm sick and tired of Democratic delegate counts that lump in the superdelegates with the pledged delegates. Hillary is currently leading Bernie by 250 pledged delegates.

But my local news and the national news, they all report that Hillary is currently leading by 688 delegates. Then they comment on how "difficult" it will be for Bernie to overcome such a big lead.

That is very misleading, as superdelegates can - and often do - switch their allegiances at convention time. To pull ahead, Bernie has to overcome a 250 delegate lead, not a 688 one.

Do these news sources not understand how superdelegates work? Or are they just trying to discourage Bernie supporters, and portray Hillary as the inevitable nominee?


(11,417 posts)
2. Bernie is not a Democrat. He said he is runnung as a Democrat for convinience.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary's super delegates are Democrats and will not support an Independent. They are as Hillary is, vested in getting Democrats elected.

Bernie is not helping other Democrats with his contributions as Hillary is.

So go ahead and be " sick and tired of the delegate counts.." but Bernie is at fault for the way it is.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
8. You make one poor argument, and one good one.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie has every right to run as a Democrat. There should not be any superdelegate supreme council for deciding who is a Democrat, and who is not. Here's who should decide that: the voters!

But you are absolutely right that Bernie needs to do more to help other Democrats. I wish he would talk more about that.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
5. I sure would!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

I don't know much about how the Republican delegate system works, but if they don't have superdelegates, then I'd certainly prefer their system.

The whole superdelegate system is just indefensible. A nominee should be picked by delegates who were selected by primary voters, period. Anything else is a form of elitism, and has no place in a democratic process.

By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans put in place their own superdelegate system for 2020. Trump's goofy campaign has Republican insiders scared, and insiders don't like to be scared.



(1,772 posts)
9. nope
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

the nominee should be pick by the Party's rules, period.

Anyone can start their own political party and their own rules for picking their nominees.


(12,655 posts)
17. no supers, just rules that can be changed at a whim
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

to benefit the establishment. their system is just as screwed up, just in a different way.

neither is democratic.


(4,797 posts)
4. They understand perfectly
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:22 AM
Apr 2016

A 600 delegate lead fits their narrative better than a 200 delegate lead. They know who wants to cut off the gravy train of unlimited campaign contributions (and unlimited political ad spending) and they really don't want him to win.


(138,842 posts)
6. Does anyone really think that Sanders can flip any super delegates?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders is fooling himself if he thinks that his refusal to support down ballot candidates will help him flip super delegates http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clinton-sanders-differ-down-ballot-democrats

Yesterday afternoon, meanwhile, Hillary Clinton’s campaign announced its fundraising tally over the same period, and though Sanders hasn’t matched his rival in votes or wins, we were reminded once more that he’s easily defeating her when it comes to dollars in the bank. But the Clinton campaign’s press release added something Sanders’ did not:

Hillary Clinton raised about $29.5 million for her primary campaign during March. That amount brings the first quarter total to nearly $75 million raised for the primary, beating the campaign’s goal of $50 million by about 50 percent. [Hillary For America] begins April with nearly $29 million on hand.

Clinton raised an additional $6.1 million for the DNC and state parties during the month of March, bringing the total for the quarter to about $15 million [emphasis added].

The first part matters, of course, to the extent that Sanders’ fundraising juggernaut is eclipsing Clinton’s operation, but it’s the second part that stands out. How much money did Sanders raise for the DNC and state parties in March? Actually, zero. For the quarter, the total was also zero.

And while the typical voter probably doesn’t know or care about candidates’ work on behalf of down-ballot allies, this speaks to a key difference between Sanders and Clinton: the former is positioning himself as the leader of a revolution; the latter is positioning herself as the leader of the Democratic Party. For Sanders, it means raising amazing amounts of money to advance his ambitions; for Clinton, it means also raising money to help other Democratic candidates.

As Rachel noted on the show last night, the former Secretary of State has begun emphasizing this angle while speaking to voters on the campaign trail. Here, for example, is Clinton addressing a Wisconsin audience over the weekend:

“I’m also a Democrat and have been a proud Democrat all my adult life. I think that’s kind of important if we’re selecting somebody to be the Democratic nominee of the Democratic Party.

“But what it also means is that I know how important to elect state legislatures, to elect Democratic governors, to elect a Democratic Senate and House of Representatives.”

The message wasn’t subtle: Clinton is a Democrat and Sanders isn’t; Clinton is working to help Democrats up and down the ballot and Sanders isn’t.

Super Delegates will be taking this difference into account in deciding which candidate is best for the party


(115 posts)
7. Maybe
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:37 AM
Apr 2016

It depends on where the pledged delegate race finishes and how much pressure gets put on super delegates by Sanders supporters after the last primaries finish in June.


(138,842 posts)
15. The bernie bros have not been successful so far in these tactics
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:00 AM
Apr 2016

I still love the attacks made by the bernie bros on Senator Warren to "force" her to endorse Sanders. How did not work out for these bernie bros?

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
13. I would hope the superdelegates do the right thing.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

As I noted earlier, I think the whole superdelegate system stinks.

But that aside, suppose you were a superdelegate pledged to Candidate A, and Candidate B won your state by a convincing margin. It would seem to me that the moral thing for you to do would be to respect the vote, and support Candidate B.

That same sort of argument can - actually, must - be made when the Electoral College meets to vote for President of the United States. Those electors don't legally have to vote the way their states did! But shouldn't they?


(138,842 posts)
14. After Sanders' latests act of stupidity, I would not hold my breath
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:58 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders will not be flipping super delegates



(456 posts)
11. Super Delegates are delegates. Get over it...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

Can't wait till this is over and Hillary locks this up. Sander's just lost his chance for a position in a Clinton administration with his "disqualification" comments. Bye bye Bernie.



(1,019 posts)
12. Anyone else remember when the dumbass Sanders camp floated the "meme" that they didn't compete
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

in 8 southern states? As if they could win the nomination just running in 42 states out of 50?

Don't blame everyone else because your candidate and his staff are idiots.


(4,805 posts)
16. The mathmetical term:variable: {SOME}DUers do not understand it and how it affects outcomes.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

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