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Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:37 PM

 

Lots of people turning from Hillary to Bernie after she said she would disqualify and discredit him.

Wow, On my Facebook, there are many, many people who are angry after hearing the turn her campaign would take and how she would discredit and disqualify Senator Sanders.

They are now supporting Sanders and hope he lobs it right back at her. This is like the sixth time this has happened.

Oh my.

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Reply Lots of people turning from Hillary to Bernie after she said she would disqualify and discredit him. (Original post)
ViseGrip Apr 2016 OP
onehandle Apr 2016 #1
morningfog Apr 2016 #3
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #8
Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #32
Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #30
retrowire Apr 2016 #41
Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #45
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #47
noiretextatique Apr 2016 #51
pinebox Apr 2016 #56
Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #64
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #2
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #4
cui bono Apr 2016 #5
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #9
cui bono Apr 2016 #10
cui bono Apr 2016 #12
GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #15
cui bono Apr 2016 #19
TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #40
cui bono Apr 2016 #44
DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #28
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #29
DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #31
timmymoff Apr 2016 #35
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #6
amborin Apr 2016 #14
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #16
Samantha Apr 2016 #21
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #23
Samantha Apr 2016 #24
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #33
Samantha Apr 2016 #38
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #39
litlbilly Apr 2016 #42
Jarqui Apr 2016 #7
Dem2 Apr 2016 #11
RobertEarl Apr 2016 #13
senz Apr 2016 #22
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #34
senz Apr 2016 #46
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #48
pinebox Apr 2016 #58
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #60
senz Apr 2016 #61
seattleite Apr 2016 #17
Lucinda Apr 2016 #18
seabeyond Apr 2016 #37
madokie Apr 2016 #20
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #25
Jackilope Apr 2016 #26
Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #27
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #49
seabeyond Apr 2016 #36
senz Apr 2016 #43
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #50
redstateblues Apr 2016 #52
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #53
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #54
upaloopa Apr 2016 #55
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #57
pinebox Apr 2016 #59
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #62
jillan Apr 2016 #63
athena Apr 2016 #65

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:38 PM

1. Internet hearsay.

Oh my.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:40 PM

3. Bernie's within 11 points in NY! And you know he closest gaps!

 

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:48 PM

8. Haven't you checked your own groupies they said the opposite lol

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:40 PM

32. Is there a link?

 

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:39 PM

30. Yes, all those duped millennial key-board warriors and their internet polls!

 

We all know that Sanders will only win Vermont, and maybe one other state. Look at all those endorsements Clinton has garnered: that should tell us how well she will course to the nomination. It is...

OK, so maybe he won a few more states, but still those complacent millennials, Hell-bound Sluts lusting after Berbie-Bros who are sexist and racist, they have nothing on Clinton. Just you wait until...

OK, we will move the goalposts a few more times, but it will all be over by March 5 - some time later in March - OK, but Wisconsin is in the bag for Clinton...

Anyway, the point is that Clinton is supposed to be inevitable, so anything you read on the Internet is a right-wing conspiracy or negligeable hearsay, unless it is pro-Clinton. But that almost never happens so all the Internet is now a sexist conspiracy by Trump-humping basement-dwellers.

Also 9/11 and a gender.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:03 PM

41. This post wins. nt

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Response to retrowire (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:25 PM

45. thanks!

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:41 AM

47. rolllllinnnngggg!


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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:47 AM

51. LMAO

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:02 AM

56. I need to screen cap this post because it's made of awesome

 

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Response to pinebox (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:25 PM

64. Hey, who said that camp Clinton is the only side that gets to repeat these memes?

 

I just repeat them slightly more explicitly...

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:40 PM

2. It's good to have these fights. It's the only time the media pays attention

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:41 PM

4. I call bull shit.

 

Bull shit on the fb posts
And bullshit that a single solitary statement is any sort of a catalyst for a mass change in votes.
And bullshit that any supporter for any side is going to be *this* thin skinned, without already being predisposed to manufacturing outrage on a whim

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:44 PM

5. So you agree that all those posts by people on here that said that Bernie supporters

are what made them change to being a Hillary supporter are complete bullshit.

I agree with you!

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Response to cui bono (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:49 PM

9. Why do Bernie supporters always try to press everyone in absolutes?

 

I was talking about the bullshit in the op.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:52 PM

10. Why are Hillary supporters always so hypocritical?

IOKIYSHRC



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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:59 PM

12. Here. Found an OP I'm sure you want to call out as bullshit:

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Response to cui bono (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:00 AM

15. No he just goes around following Bernie supporters comments...

 

Passive aggressively insinuating they are a republican...

Hillary has some of the most toxic supporters I've ever seen

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:24 AM

19. Yep. Pure hypocrisy. And Skinner wants the toxic ones visible as he has made clear

by his no time out policy.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:02 PM

40. It was a stupid move .

Now the whole world can just see the outright bullshit they are peddling . Still it helps Sanders so keep it up Skinner .

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:30 AM

44. Hey! You must have missed my other post cuz I'm certain you want to call out more of this BS:

Here you go...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110793046

Can't wait to see how you word your post calling out that FB bullshit!

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:32 PM

28. And I call primary elections. Let's have some, and let's see.

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:38 PM

29. Create your own party, make your own rules and hold a Primary

 

there are no Constitutional constraints on Parties that create their own conventions and Primary election process. You and your favored candidate does not have to run under DNC or RNC colors or rules. Go for it.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:39 PM

31. Since I've almost certainly been a Democrat longer than you (among other reasons), I think

 

I'll continue to hold my own counsel and I'll go ahead and participate in the primaries my party has set up.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:25 PM

35. Do you really want us to create our own party?

 

Have you thought this through? You are aware if we do create our own party we will be stealing votes from the corporate dems, your life's blood.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:44 PM

6. Her followers love her toughness. The hell with empathy, they love toughness.

 

Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan toughness.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:00 AM

14. Henry Kissinger tough

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Response to amborin (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:06 AM

16. George Orwell must be laughing his head off over "Killer" Kissinger getting a Peace Prize.

 

Also, George Tenet getting a Peace Medal. Maybe they both rot in hell.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:17 AM

21. Both of whom gave us "Greed is good" (eom)

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Response to Samantha (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:28 AM

23. So the Clinton Class doesn't say much about their idolization of Ayn Rand but they

 

secretly adore her. Alan Greenspan was a disciple of the queen Rand and the Clintons loved Greenspan. Greenspan was an idiot but he gave the greedy their excuse to frack the lower 99%. Greenspan admitted he was shocked at the bank failure* of 2008. He admitted he thought greed would raise all boats. Idiot.

*I say failure because that's what it's called but it was far from a failure. If you went to Las Vegas and lost all your money on roulette, and the house took up a collection from the customers (of the working class) and returned your money, would that be a failure or success. (rhetorical).

This war is between the Greedy Class and the Working Classes and Clinton sure as hell not one of us.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:33 PM

24. Thank you for your observations, rhett o rick

I wish I had something politically esoteric to respond to you, but I am still cracking up over that blimp with the Hillary message affixed to it. I can't quit laughing. Have you seen it?

Regards,

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:18 PM

33. Doesn't sound familiar. Do you have a link? nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:45 PM

38. I just spent forever looking for this for you so you need to fall on the floor laughing

after you see it so I feel my time was worth the search:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511672564

I can't believe so few people commented on it.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:55 PM

39. Very cool. Sad that her followers don't care. They don't care what she does.

 

Authoritarian adulation. Thanks for the link.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:06 PM

42. great analogy rhetto rick, the las vegas thing is perfect.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:46 PM

7. I have a feeling that trend began when she was leading him by 60% to his 3% nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:54 PM

11. Anecdotal bologna, this is simply campaigning on DU for your candidate

Do it 'till your satisfied.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:00 AM

13. Like someone told me

 

They went from Hillary to Bernie. Why?

They'd rather live in Bernie's world than Hillary's.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:22 AM

22. Who wouldn't?

 

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Response to senz (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:22 PM

34. Authoritarians will give up their freedoms and liberties for a promise of security. They look

 

to the biggest bully to stand behind just like jr high.

I tried to explain it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:37 AM

46. Thanks for the link, rhett o rick. Good stuff.

 

I especially liked this observation of yours:

Ask one to explain how their leader stands on an issue. Most will call you names and ignore the question. I doubt that they even know what their leader's stand is on issues, because it isn't important to them. The relationship between the authoritarian leader and the follower is symbiotic. Neither is anything without the other. Take the followers away from a bully and they quickly show that they are truly cowards. I have also noted that if you stand up to the bully, they immediately start whining that they are the victim.

In politics, it's no use trying to reason with an authoritarian. They haven't matured to the point of being capable of reasoning.


One can certainly see that in action here. I've also noticed a symbiosis between narcissists and sycophants. It really is a sick relationship. There is a poster here who has said he would lay down his life for his candidate and for those in his group. It's an existential stand that gives order and meaning to the person's mental universe. It would be nearly impossible to reason that out of a person.

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Response to senz (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:15 AM

48. Yes I agree. It's sad enough when these people will give up their own freedoms and liberties

 

but when they choose their idol worship over helping those among us that are struggling, that, in my opinion, becomes immoral.

Bad analogy time - Non-progressive candidates are similar to those people that call and ask you to support the local firefighter's assoc. It's a good cause and some will blindly do it with the justification that they are helping a good cause. But the truth is they are doing more damage than good. For every dollar they "donate", 90 cents goes into the pocket of some schyster. But in their bubble of denial they convince themselves they did the right thing and won't hear otherwise. A little research would have shown them the truth and they could have given their dollar directly to the firefighters assoc.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:09 AM

58. You nailed it perfectly

 

"but when they choose their idol worship over helping those among us that are struggling, that, in my opinion, becomes immoral."

This is what I've been noticing from many Hillary supporters. By that I mean a LOT.
Look at the single payer fight. They don't even want to try and call it basically a bunch of crap yet confront them on how Hillary's plan with the ACA would still mean people were dying from lack of health care and they will throw every single excuse they can dig up from the Jurassic era at ya.

This is why I'm a liberal. If I wanted an attitude where I was more concerned with myself, I would be a Republican.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #58)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:30 AM

60. Many are afraid of asking the Overlords for too much. It's not unlike the Stockholme Syndrome

 

where the subjects come to revere those that dominate them.

People are literally dying before they should because of a lack of health care. More babies under the age of 1 year die in this country from lack of care than any other modern nation and some not-so modern nations. How can an America accept that? How can Democrats accept that? They are afraid to ask for single payer. Afraid their authoritarian masters will get mad at them.

The Masters lied to us when they GAVE us the ADA. They recognized that the insurance industry would still be sucking off their profits while many millions still wouldn't have adequate coverage. They said it was a first step. Yeah, right a first and last step.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:24 PM

61. Okay, I'm not sure they are "afraid" to ask for single payer.

 

I have always assumed that they feel overwhelmed by two forces: 1) the power of the MSM and other rightwing media/ pundits to engender fear of government in the American public, and 2) the ability of Republicans to do what they have already done: pack the U.S. legislature with fellow Republicans so that single payer cannot pass the legislature. IOW, they feel it is futile to even try for single payer because we are outgunned.

A sense of futility isn't quite the same thing as a feeling of fear.

However, what they don't realize is that Bernie Sanders is single handedly breaking up the notion that single payer is impossible. His enthusiastic crowds and primary successes counter the rightwing message about the role of government in our lives generally and single payer particularly, and this could make a difference.

I hope I'm being clear about this. I wish Hill supporters would weigh in at this point and tell us whether they are afraid to ask for single payer or if they think it is futile to even try.

HILL SUPPORTERS: please answer the question. We're trying to figure this out.

(also, minor typo in your comment that you might want to fix --you typed ADA when you meant ACA)

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:13 AM

17. People who live in glass houses, et cetera.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:56 AM

18. LOL suuure they are. n/t

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:26 PM

37. I thought ... Bullshit, but ya, your reply works too. Nt

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:28 AM

20. Hillary would be well advised

that the person with the superior intellect always wins. For a hint it is not her

Bernie will wipe the floor with her ass, just watch and see

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:35 PM

25. Lots of people being lied to and/or mislead. Will they change when they find out the truth?

 

No. They want a reason to hate Hillary and not vote for her.

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:52 PM

26. Reason 1. Iraq War Vote

Reason 2. Goldman Sachs and cozy relationship with those that destroy our economy. Not willing to reinstate Glass Steagall.
Reason 3. Campaign of 2008. Sniper fire lies and planting/releasing photo of Obama with suggestion "he is not one of us". Using division.
Reason 4. History of poor judgement, be it her own server, stance on same sex marriage, campaign tactics like destroy for gain, unify party later .... etc.

I am sick and tired of being mislead and lied to -- by Hillary.

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Response to Jackilope (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:31 PM

27. +++++

 

Simple decision. Character. #noclass

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:38 AM

49. Wait right there. Some of us are looking for honesty in politics. Remember 2002?

 

I remember very well. I could not believe that some Democrats were acquiescing before the Idiot Bush and His devil side-kick.

Clinton did more than betray her Party, she doubled down with her speech in which she mimicked the Bush lies claiming that Hussein was rebuilding his WMD's including nuclear and was harboring al qaeda terrorists. She let us all down when we needed her the most. Many swore to never to trust her again.

Her followers will tell you that:

1. She was fooled by Bush. He lied to her and she bought it. Really? She believed Bush over those honest people around her were telling her otherwise. The German government said the intelligence was bad. Or

2. She didn't think Bush/Cheney would use the authorization. Really? When that's all Cheney and the neocons were talking about for years.

I think she believes in American Exceptionalism. I think she wanted, like the neocons, to bring democracy to Iraq. In fact she made a statement about giving the Iraqi's the gift of democracy. I am afraid that she will want give the same gift to Iran and/or Russia.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:26 PM

36. Oh, bullshit.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:32 PM

43. She was setting Bernie up with the "disqualify him" threat.

 

She's playing a nasty little game and Bernie is such a boy scout he wasn't expecting it. Now he's learning what kind of person his opponent actually is. He has to learn how to fight a dirty opponent without getting dirty himself.

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Response to senz (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:40 AM

50. He knows exactly how she is. Anyone not blinded by adulation knows. He is smart not to

 

fight her on her terms. Always take the high road with people like her. And it's not dirty fighting to point out bad decisions like the Iraq vote.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:53 AM

52. Making shit up to deflect from Bernie's quote/unquote debacle-Pope trip lie

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:54 AM

53. She is self destructing

 

Her campaign is going full monty negative

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:58 AM

54. My, oh my...said the spider to the fly.

 



Facbook friends can be so fickle in their faith.

Who knows who they'll be worshipping tomorrow?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:00 AM

55. So how many is that lots number?

Anywhere near the 2.4 million vote deficit he has?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:08 AM

57. My Facebook page says Hillary's support is WAY WAY WAY UP!!!!!

And clearly, "WAY WAY WAY UP" on my Facebook page is much much more than the realtively tiny "many many people" on your Facebook page.

That's how statistics work.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #57)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:10 AM

59. Ya Hillary enthusiasm among supporters is way up

 

Ask Nevada and Missouri lol

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Response to pinebox (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:07 PM

62. I'll just ask the delegates.

Or we could discuss vote totals from primary states.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:11 PM

63. What I've been hearing "This is the kind of crap that makes me dislike the Clintons" Add to that

Bill's outburst in PA and seeing right thru it.

The problem with the Clintons is they replay the same song over and over and over again.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:28 PM

65. She never said that.

Whoever is claiming to be turning away from Hillary was probably never with her in the first place.

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