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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:16 AM Apr 2016

Bernie Won 50% of Women; Hillary 49%!

He also won 50% of registered Democrats! So much for him not winning closed primaries... Lol.
He also won 73% of independents!

He won every income bracket by significant margins under $200k. Hillary only won income brackets above that.

Hillary's Firewall is broken!

Full demographics here: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/wi/Dem

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Bernie Won 50% of Women; Hillary 49%! (Original Post) berni_mccoy Apr 2016 OP
The Bern is inevitable warrprayer Apr 2016 #1
In an open primary loaded with 'Independents.' onehandle Apr 2016 #2
He won 50% of registered Dems. Think Hillary has a real problem berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #5
Open primary. Data is worthless. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #7
Lolololololololol berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #8
Of course the data is worthless CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #27
The 50% dem figure lets you know about what he would have gotten if it were a closed primary. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #59
Hillary supporters are underestimating the significance of that. noamnety Apr 2016 #14
We don't register with a party in Wisconsin. There are no "registered Democrats" here. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #30
How many closed general elections are there? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #17
Most of them for the rest of the primary are closed. onehandle Apr 2016 #23
As a woman, I feel that there is no other choice hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #3
Sanders is the only Dem or Rep to say unequivocally that he trusts women with their own health care me b zola Apr 2016 #46
He's the only Dem candidate who has taken no initiative at all to expand women's access to bettyellen Apr 2016 #51
What heavy lifting? She named a freaking post office while Senator... Human101948 Apr 2016 #53
Look it up, not doing the lifting for you. bettyellen Apr 2016 #70
She did 3 bills in the Senate pdsimdars Apr 2016 #67
Wow so you don't know about the legislation she worked on or her success helping get Plan B to bettyellen Apr 2016 #71
Hillary's "heavy lifiting" doesn't pan out me b zola Apr 2016 #69
That has to sting, women were supposed to flock to Hillary this time. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #4
Go Bernie, Also little off topic. But I hate you all with those bug gifs Joob Apr 2016 #6
There's a story behind the prolification of the bug Mike__M Apr 2016 #33
Well I need some context this sounds interesting!!!! NT Joob Apr 2016 #38
You could start here: Mike__M Apr 2016 #40
Yes, and there must be something inherently sexist about them too. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #68
50 percent of Wisconsin Women are Bernie Bros. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #9
I thought that, per Albright and Steinem, they are hell-bound sluts lusting after Berniebros? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #12
And the stupid MSNBC headline says he won "thanks to young voters, men." bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #10
That's accurate though. JVS Apr 2016 #15
yeah, shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #42
Sanders does better with young women than young men tralala Apr 2016 #48
That's really interesting. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #50
From Reuters tralala Apr 2016 #52
Sanders does do better with young women than men :) shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #55
That's why Hill is going Down-Hill now: her campaign is at a complete loss. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #11
After all she's only over 200 delegates and 2.4 million votes ahead... shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #44
cobbled math: caucus results always have lower vote totals. Sanders won a lot of those Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #72
"cobbled math." Not at all, she's just way ahead. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #73
The above post was brought to you by "la la la I can't hear you". eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #74
You're entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #75
You are entitled to your own apples and your own oranges, but not Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #76
In a white, open primary state! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Tarc Apr 2016 #13
What do you consider a black state then? n/t RampageSnipa586 Apr 2016 #16
I didn't realize states had races. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #18
And that's the only fall back you've got NWCorona Apr 2016 #20
Sanders could win every state left at 57%, and win NY by something low like 52% Tarc Apr 2016 #21
What a way for Hillary to creep across the finish line, all broken down and running out of gas... reformist2 Apr 2016 #34
It's not actually going to happen that way Tarc Apr 2016 #35
Open your eyes, it's already happening. Losing seven in a row isn't good for a "frontrunner" reformist2 Apr 2016 #36
Do you really need to be educated on this? Tarc Apr 2016 #37
sites I relied on for my information said that would happen. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2016 #19
knr amborin Apr 2016 #22
Kick Segami Apr 2016 #24
So why the name ''Bernie Bros''? Octafish Apr 2016 #25
This Abuela sez "bernie-bros" is a smear me b zola Apr 2016 #47
¡Y yo habuelo! Octafish Apr 2016 #49
And he won African Americans by... jcgoldie Apr 2016 #26
He lost with 31% PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #29
Clinton lost the Native American vote by about 31%. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #56
Can you cite the source for that data? PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #57
Menominee County results plus the difference between the two race tables in the OP w4rma Apr 2016 #58
Thanks, but that is one county with about 650 total votes. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #61
The difference in the two race tables *can* be extrapolated to the entire state. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #62
Not really, no. Your claim that he won NA by 31% is dubious. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #63
No, not really. Your claim that he didn't is dubious. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #64
Lol, I am not claiming he did or didn't because there is no way to know. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #65
We don't register with a party in Wisconsin. There are no "registered Democrats" here. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #28
seems to me when one posts results from a particular state, that state should be mentioned DrDan Apr 2016 #31
How exactly did he win 73% of independents in a "closed primary" jcgoldie Apr 2016 #32
He has won women vote in three states. WI, NH and Vt. Clinton has the rest of the states. And nation seabeyond Apr 2016 #39
In Texas every income group voted for Clinton big time and 70% of women. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #41
Wisconsin is an open primary Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #43
I figured those were the 15% of Sanders supporters who didn't support shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #45
K&R vintx Apr 2016 #60
Great news!!! pdsimdars Apr 2016 #66
 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
14. Hillary supporters are underestimating the significance of that.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

I'm in a state where we don't declare a party. If I had to register to vote in a closed state, you can bet I'd register as a dem so I have a say in who's representing the left, given that we really only have a two party system. I can't be the only person who thinks that way.

If he won half the registered dems in a state where people have no incentive to register a party affiliation, he's going to win more than half in the states where people have to register to vote in a primary.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
23. Most of them for the rest of the primary are closed.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

25% of the U.S. population has their primaries this month.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
46. Sanders is the only Dem or Rep to say unequivocally that he trusts women with their own health care
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

...Just BAM! I trust women with their own health care. No equivocation. No exceptions when he feels that women need big-brother in their examination room.

No need to take a poll to see how his beliefs will stand up to the voters desires. He states his position and encourages you to join him in the larger cause.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
51. He's the only Dem candidate who has taken no initiative at all to expand women's access to
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

reproductive health services. Hillary has done a ton of heavy lifting and advocacy over the years. SBS cosigns other people's legislation, and then tells audiences not to think about abortion laws. How kind of him to stick his neck out.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
53. What heavy lifting? She named a freaking post office while Senator...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

Does that count as "heavy lifiting?"

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
67. She did 3 bills in the Senate
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

Renaming a post office
Renaming part of a highway and some other totally non consequential thing.

Probably afraid not to take a firm stand on anything she couldn't talk herself out of.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
71. Wow so you don't know about the legislation she worked on or her success helping get Plan B to
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016

OTC status, aweome. Lecture me more, despite your ignorance.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
69. Hillary's "heavy lifiting" doesn't pan out
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary can at times sound as though she stands with us regular people, but when you get right down to it, its all word salad meant to lure regular people into her web.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. That has to sting, women were supposed to flock to Hillary this time.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

And yet we continue to reject her. I guess we're all sexists who're going to hell.


Joob

(1,065 posts)
6. Go Bernie, Also little off topic. But I hate you all with those bug gifs
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:32 AM
Apr 2016

It's making me itch like crazy. One time I literally had a tiny spider crawl around on the inside of my screen, and I use one of those big tv screens as my monitor. Agh.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
33. There's a story behind the prolification of the bug
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

I'll just say the bug is there to annoy Her supporters.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
40. You could start here:
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:46 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027316901

post #110, for example.

The subsequent appearance of bloody fly swatters, boots, spray cans, etc. was not very well calculated to win support for Her team.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
10. And the stupid MSNBC headline says he won "thanks to young voters, men."
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

They try to get every little jab in that they can.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
15. That's accurate though.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:37 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary has a problem with men, at least in Wisconsin. She only got 35% of men's votes. Even though she also lost women, the bulk of the margin of victory here came from men.

In contrast there was no gender gap between Cruz and Trump. Trump lost both by the same proportion.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
50. That's really interesting.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

Do you have a source on that though.

And hey, I'm curious, if it's right, why do you think that is?

tralala

(239 posts)
52. From Reuters
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016


?w=431

As to why, IMO it's because "millenials" are left-wing, and Sanders is the most left-wing of the viable candidates.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
55. Sanders does do better with young women than men :)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:23 PM
Apr 2016

What the heck? Wonder why...

He does better with millenials and I think a part of it is because he's more liberal. I think that's a part of it.

Why do you think he does better with millenial women than men? I'm really just interested. If you don't want to get into it that's cool.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
72. cobbled math: caucus results always have lower vote totals. Sanders won a lot of those
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

and he won 8 out of the last 9 contests. Clinton is going down, and she knows it.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
76. You are entitled to your own apples and your own oranges, but not
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

entitled to lump them in with one another. Agreed?

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
21. Sanders could win every state left at 57%, and win NY by something low like 52%
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016

And Clinton would STILL come out on top in the pledged delegate count.

I think you really lack a perspective here on how this race is winding down.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
34. What a way for Hillary to creep across the finish line, all broken down and running out of gas...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
35. It's not actually going to happen that way
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

Just illustrating the extreme, and why Sanders has no chance to close that gap.

Math. Period.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
37. Do you really need to be educated on this?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders' bailiwick (old-timey word, look it up) were the states with either an open caucus, predominately white, or both. They were also mostly low-delegate counts, except for Washington.

We're all but done (Indiana I believe is the last) with those, as the calendar now turns to diverse states with piles of delegates, and they are also closed primaries, i.e. registered Dems only. These are the ones in which Clinton performs best.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
54. sites I relied on for my information said that would happen.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

So I expected it in advance. Cookpoliticalreport definitely said things would go down this way and I think fivethirtyeight also said this would happen. So I wasn't surprised by his stream of wins, and neither of those people thought it would change anything. So...

Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
49. ¡Y yo habuelo!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

"Lelo Franki."

Love ya, me b zola! What we've seen over the years on DU we shall share with them!

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
61. Thanks, but that is one county with about 650 total votes.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

And it assumes that every single one of them is a Native American. Many? Most? Probably. But that's not data which can necessarily be extrapolated to the whole state.

http://apps.mprnews.org/election2016/national/wisconsin-d/

100% of the Native Americans I know voted for Clinton but I wouldn't try to claim that is representative of the whole state. Hell, the small villages I live in had 6 times the number of votes as that whole county.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
65. Lol, I am not claiming he did or didn't because there is no way to know.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

There's no data which shows us. And the results of one county with a population of 4,500 people is not supportive of either.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
31. seems to me when one posts results from a particular state, that state should be mentioned
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

somewhere in the OP

a critical piece of information imo

On the other hand, it one wants to imply that data is nationwide, then omit the state.

jcgoldie

(11,607 posts)
32. How exactly did he win 73% of independents in a "closed primary"
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

Do you even know what a closed primary is?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
39. He has won women vote in three states. WI, NH and Vt. Clinton has the rest of the states. And nation
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
41. In Texas every income group voted for Clinton big time and 70% of women.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:20 PM
Apr 2016

and 61% of men. Wisconsin has very good demographics for Sanders, and Texas liberals had better demographics for Clinton. Lets look at those numbers:

Under 30k = 72% Clinton
30-50k = 61% Clinton
50-100k = 54% Clinton

PS: Wisconsin has open primaries, not closed ones.

pss: we could probably find info from every state they won, respectively, that reflected something we we wanted to show... That doesn't mean it translates nationally.

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/tx/Dem

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
43. Wisconsin is an open primary
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

There is evidence that the GOP was part of the Dem vote as right wing judge ...anti gay...was elected at the same time. Wisconsin is an open primary. I lived there. The fact you mention independents shows this.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
45. I figured those were the 15% of Sanders supporters who didn't support
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

others on the Democratic ticket or supported the Republican. Part of it could be crossover vote, the other part indifference to progressive issues... Kinda like the seven percent, or so, of Democrats who voted on the Repub. side in the open primaries in Michigan who were identified in exit polls.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/5/1511160/-Exit-Poll-15-of-WI-Bernie-voters-didn-t-vote-for-Kloppenburg




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