Weaver's Response to Clinton's new scorched earth strategy...

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

https://twitter.com/DavidChalian/status/717554988109721600

Weaver to Team Clinton: "Don’t destroy the Democratic Party to satisfy the Secretary’s ambition to become President of the United States."

@DavidChalian

[JPnoodleman]

1. The party is toast i suspect, I guess the Clinton family sees it as just an extension of themselves?

[Betty Karlson]

20. Something owed to them, just like the White House?

[BainsBane]

24. Clinton has been campaigning for Democrats across the country

Sanders supporters among them. Although she has been out-raised and greatly outspent by the Sanders campaign, she has contributed $16 million to other Dem candidates. Bernie has contributed nothing and refused to promote Democrats candidates during his campaign. He is running against the party, made no secret of his contempt for its president, members of congress and even Democratic voters. He admitted to using the party for his election bid in order to get more media attention and financing. He currently has an FEC account open for his reelection bid to the Senare as an INDEPENDENT. He has no intention of becoming a Democrat. Pointing out facts about his lack of qualifications is not an effort to destroy the party. His entire campaign is an attack against Clinton and the party itself.

There is zero evidence to support this political operative's statement, and that people here swallow it whole is an absurd. It is tragic how Sandes supporters have decided that truth emanates from a $150 million dollar political enterprise.

It's one thing for political operatives to spout bullshit. They get paid to do just that. but to believe them, now that's just sad.

[JPnoodleman]

25. campaigning is fine, schisming the base?

If she schisms the voters, fat good a campaign assist will do.

[BainsBane]

35. Schism by criticizing Bernie

as he has been doing toward her for months now? Is that what you mean?

The word is she has been reluctant to criticize Sanders out of concern over alienating his supporters. But the fact is he has made attacks on her and the Democratic Party the center of his campaign. I suppose he hasn't had the same reluctance about losing support from Clinton supporters because he doesn't actually expect to be the nominee, which begs the question of why he is working so hard to attack the party and its eventual nominee?

Seems to me there is only so much shit, most of it dishonest, that she should have to take before fighting back. IMO, she should have called him on his shit a long time ago. There is a huge amount for her to work from, most of which has gotten very little attention in the press. His mountain of campaign finance violations, for example, for which he has been cited by the FEC, have gotten almost no attention. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511645580 The press isn't doing its job of informing the public about his record or his campaign. Someone sure as hell needs to.

Another point is that a large number of Sanders supporters aren't Democrats. She wins an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters, and even leads him among Democrats in most of the states he has won. His popularity among independents is frequently cited by Sanders and his supporters alike, but the flip side of that means he isn't nearly as popular among Democrats. Therefore criticizing him can hardly bring about a "schism" in the party.

[Yurovsky]

40. She gets her ass handed to her among young voters...

Bernie got over 80% in Wisconsin. You want to kill the party, cling to yesterday's politics and tell the next generation their votes don't count because we've rigged the system for the 1% and political insiders (super delegates? Seriously?)

Bernie would crush Trump or Cruz. Hillary would be in a dogfight with either one... All that money and all that name recognition doesn't alter the fact that she's viewed as dishonest, untrustworthy, in the pocket of Wall Street, and well, just plain unlikeable.

If she's struggling with progressives, imagine the lack of support she'll receive among independents. Maybe taking all that Wall Street money wasn't such a good idea after all, now was it?

[MrMickeysMom]

41. I'm sure we will hear full referenced reasons behind your stamping feet any moment now...

I've heard his criticisms of her record that shows how many of these AWFUL trade agreements she's voted for.

Is that scorching the earth for you?

Is that dishonest?

No and No... And, frankly, you don't know how Democratic voters feel about her until you've asked one.

[hereforthevoting]

46. Wait ... what?

"The word is she has been reluctant to criticize Sanders out of concern over alienating his supporters."



She alienates us, or gets her surrogates to do it, herself, plenty.

[cui bono]

61. "reluctant to criticize Sanders"

omfg...

Get real. She has criticized him every chance she gets, as have her surrogates. And when I say criticized, I mean smeared him with lies.

.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

28. she is acting like she is in bosnia and is running from the incoming

cut it out

[BainsBane]

37. How precisely is she

"acting like she is in bosnia"? Did you think you actually made sense there?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

55. Made perfect sense to me...

[karynnj]

39. She is not sacrificing money for herself when she raises

That money and what she gains is not without value.

She is only allowed to raise the maximums for herself. When she has these $10,000 a plate fund raisers, the amount over that is for the party.

It also means that she personally meets many of the most powerful people in the country along with most of the party leaders, many of whom might be included even if the cost is too high.

[Red Knight]

45. So she's giving them some Wall Street cash?

She's BUYING them. That's all.

What Bernie supporter is she helping? Just curious.

Bernie will become a Democrat the day this party returns to its roots and acts like the Democratic party instead of a Republican-lite version. That's what this battle is about. The soul of this party. I never ever want to hear a Hillary supporter complain about money in politics. Never. They have no right to that concern when they prop up that very system. You can't be okay with it as long as it's for Hillary.

[beedle]

62. Here is how she is getting the money!

[reformist2]

42. The OLD party is toast. Hillary won't let anyone else have it, so she will burn it down instead.

[upaloopa]

2. What is he afraid of?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

4. Afraid of? Nothing...

His campaign is about reinvigorating the democratic party and bringing young people in to turn the party back onto the progressive road.

New York I think will be the final showdown between Turd Ways and Progressives. I hope we can defeat them or the party will schism.

[Armstead]

7. Perhaps that she could tear a fatal seam in the Democratic Party if she gets nasty

[upaloopa]

11. The Democrtic party is behind Hillary. Weaver knows that. My guess is the party has been urging

Hillary to get on with the general. Weaver is afraid of the coming closed primaries.

[roguevalley]

13. given that she hasn't won and kept hold of a state since Arizona, I don't think

you can count on the Democratic Party being behind her.

[Scuba]

38. The Wisconsin chapter of the Party sure isn't behind Hillary.

[Else You Are Mad]

56. Well...

Wisconsin is just another weird state full of white students that borders Vermont!

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

59. Out of date...

She only won Milwaukee county in the final results...

[MrMickeysMom]

43. No... The DLC and DNC and corporately controlled media is behind Hillary. Get it straight...

The number of Democrats that have joined the party is a result of the vast numbers joining the Democratic party (see the rallies, or act hypnotized like they don't matter)

The disastrous chairing of the Democratic party structure has been and currently IS BEING torn apart through the disastrous "leader"ship of DWS.

You've got the kind of party the Clintons helped form, and now that it's turned into what Third Way partisan values have infused into the helpless patient's IV, you can start calling it something else, cause it doesn't help Democrats. It doesn't help anything but itself.

[Firebrand Gary]

3. What fucking nerve!

Sander's and Weaver have been running an increasingly negative campaign against Hillary. The country needs to know how much a Sander's presidency will cost?

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016

[jfern]

5. Oh for fucks sake, it's Hillary who has been spouting all the lying attacks

[Nite Owl]

12. Truth hurts I guess

They can lie but if we tell the truth it is a lie. Even videos can't count, it isn't fair to do some research.

[liberal_at_heart]

6. I was wondering when I would get to put someone else on ignore.

[Robbins]

8. bullcrap

clintons have been ruing negative since january.

telling truth about clinton is not negative.and i see you have joined clinton supporters in going to right to bash bernie.

[MrMickeysMom]

44. THAT^

[Armstead]

10. They have not been running an increasingly negative campaign..Are you that delicate?

If so, you''ll have a stroke if Clinton gets into the GE against a GOP candidate

[PufPuf23]

14. If you can recall, Hillary Clinton was frontrunner and sabotaged campaign 2008 when

Hillary Clinton went negative on POTUS Obama and lost.

POTUS Obama was and is a better POTUS than Hillary Clinton could ever be so if she should win POTUS, (I consider this likely) we are looking at another 4 or 8 years of treading water or going backwards. Clinton will enter office as a an unpopular president that is not trusted.

I would expect Sanders to serve only one term and not be that successful but to change the direction for other Democratic leaders for a generational change away from neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.

Clinton lost 2008 because of negative campaigning and is on the verge of screwing up 2016 for the same reason.

Who hired David Brock?

[Avalon Sparks]

18. Oh please the Vox calculator is inaccurate

Type any low number in, and you owe more than you make.

It's nonsense

[Viva_La_Revolution]

31. that calculator does not account for healthcare savings. its worthless

[tokenlib]

53. That calculator is biased, flawed, and has been debunked.

Hillary deserves to be called out on Wall Street coddling and free trade and now the Panama Papers...

[Hydra]

9. Well, this moment came earlier than anticipated

We were speculating the party might rupture at the convention. Now it may happen in the next few weeks.

I guess it would fit- I expected Hillary's meltdown last week to be further in the future, if at all. Now it seems it's all tied together.

Hello, New York...

[HughLefty1]

15. Both parties might implode before the summer..

The entitlement of the Clintons might be the final nail in the coffin.

[grasswire]

16. the question becomes this...

....is she in good enough health to weather the FBI interview AND this scorched earth attack on Bernie? I am becoming concerned about her state of mind and her health.

[R B Garr]

26. You obviously missed the Benghazi hearings.

She made fools of those clowns for eleven hours. In fact, you don't hear much about it anymore. Looks like she might even have destroyed a couple of their careers in the process, as they got raked by their own party for failing to incriminate her. They were on record as only having those hearings to affect her popularity numbers. Instead the hearngs only helped her, lol.

She was boss. Don't you worry.

[BainsBane]

34. That's precisely what worries her

The post is pure projection, along with the requisite hail mary of an indictment out of hope it will subvert the results of popular elections and deliver what she must have determined is Sanders only remaining chance of being installed as nominee.

[R B Garr]

48. Yes, that one's imaginary "concerns" have seemed more simplistic than usual lately.

Hoping for ill health and indictments is definitely a sign of projection and desperation. You are right.

[BainsBane]

17. Bernie isn't the Democratic Party

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If fact he has been running against the party for months now.

While I know better than to expect Bernie to care about the Democratic party's electoral prospects in December, I was disappointed to discover his campaign is targeting electoral democracy itself by working to overturn the results of already decided elections in order to install Bernie in power against the will of the electorate. http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-sanders-fantasy-campaign-hopes-win-hillary-clintons-pledged-delegates-unlikely-2338452
Nevada is an example of just that.

Weaver's comment is pretty ironic considering how hard he has been working to undermine both the party and legitimacy in the electoral process itself. They have denounced as illegitimate very election that Bernie didn't win. In the process, they shown a determination to undermine the voting rights so American citizens. I don't think I've ever seen such a disreputable campaign in my life, an impression borne out in the record number of campaign finance violations.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511645580

Bernie is incompetent. He has proved that through the mountain of illegal campaign donations and now demonstrated a shocking level of ignorance about the particulars of the very positions he has campaigned http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306

Democrats are meant to be a party of policy, evidence and reason. Sanders shows contempt for all of that and instead foments rage against the party, while he and his surrogates, like Tim Robbins, repeatedly insult American citizens who dare to exercise their democratic rights independently rather than acquiescing to his dominion.

Seriously, that dude Weaver needs to look in the mirror.

[snowy owl]

22. Nothing intelligent here. Move on folks.

[BainsBane]

33. Another insult

which is a clear admission that you are unable to come up with any substantive response.
How sad it must be to know you how so little capacity to engage in political discourse that you can only produce insults.

And all this because I dared to question a wealthy political operative, getting richer by the day due to the anger toward the Democratic Party he foments.

You better save some space inside you because you're going to have a whole lot more resentment in the coming weeks as more and more voters exercise their democratic rights free of your control. One person, one vote. You don't have to like it. You don't even have to live with it, but it is the nature of the democratic electoral system.

Even on a night where Sanders did extremely well, you're filled with anger Even victory can't assuage it. Of course, you got your cues for that from the top. Note Weaver's statement on a night in which his candidate outperformed expectations. That's the problem with building a political movement entirely in opposition to everything--from the economy, to the Democratic Party, to ordinary Americans. There can be no reprieve from the rage because without it nothing remains.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. This isn't the Democratic Party and it's also not the truth:

Praises Ronald Wilson Reagan for doing the exact things he is despised for not doing at all. Claims those who took every possible action to alert the country and the world to the crisis actually did nothing at all until Dutch and Nancy led the way. Horrible, ignorant, insulting and her supporters are totally fine with it which demonstrates their underlying bigotry both homophobia and racism. Go look up the HIV stats if that statement confuses you.

[bvar22]

57. Bernie is what the Democratic Party used to be when I joined in 1967.

What passes for the Democratic Party today is far to the Political Right of what it was when I joined so many years ago.
I am a mainstream-center New Deal/Great Society Democrat, now labeled a far leftist in the Clintonized version of the Party I once loved.
My values and goals haven't changed.
The Democratic party has changed, and not for the better.
That is why I support Bernie.

[libdem4life]

60. Bernie is the only true Democrat in the race.

Republican lite is not my party. He's done more for Democrats over the years in the Senate Because he was not hitched to the proverbial Democrat post.

Now I expect him to initiate the process to retake our moral basis.

[R B Garr]

19. lol, how Rovian of Weaver. He got laughed at on CNN,

and rightfully so.

Sanders has been a Democrat for weeks, but his campaign manager is chastising a true party leader about destroying the Democratic Party because of ambition Lol, yet Bernie's ambition is the only reason Sanders is.now using the Party. Very Rovian!

[BainsBane]

21. He's desperate to keep the millions flowing

Was it he or Devine who is pulling in $800k per month, according to FEC filings? They are making a killing and are well past being the 1% they spin their Madison Avenue-crafted campaign slogans about. Now that Bernie's got an army of 1 percenters campaigning for him, they have to refocus their efforts to target Clinton and the 2.5 million plus more Americans who have voted for her.

"Winning S Carolna is like winning Guam." You know, all those second- and third-class Americans who constitute the real enemy.

[snowy owl]

23. Umm, are you really this dumb? $800K for his organization . . .

you know, like when you hire an ad agency or a consulting firm. Perhaps you don't know... He's paying a lot of people with the 800K.

[BainsBane]

27. Yeah, I'm dumb

How many people exactly?

[DemocracyDirect]

30. At least you admit it.

You just don't know, yet you spout off anyway.

[BainsBane]

32. The other poster spouted off

I simply noted the amount of money paid. He insisted it was for many people. How many people? What is their average wage? And why do they deserve so much more than others who are criticized for earning far less?

My comment was meant ironically, but you evidently missed that, despite your superior level of intelligence.

My point was a simple one. They want the money to continue. If you don't think that influences what they say to their candidate and the public, you are incredibly naive. Just because the guy is currently working for Sanders doesn't make him the Dalai Lama. Then there is the irony that Sanders has created campaign slogans out of the claim that Clinton getting paid $200k for a speech makes her supposedly beholden to big banks, while you object to the assertion that $800k a month might just influence what a political operate says.

Frankly, I find it rather sad that so many Sanders supporters find it necessary to defend anyone and everyone associated with the Sanders campaign while systematically insulting everyone who doesn't swallow their nonsense whole.

[Bluenorthwest]

50. In 2008 Mark Penn's firm was paid over $14 Million by Clinton's campaign.

You seem to forget that as you plow right into the same old Medieval trope, the Jewish candidate's campaign is all about money, while the campaign of the Mega Rich Christian who has actually spent endless millions trying to get elected in the past is fully righteous in all things.
Hillary 08 says she 'gave' to other Democrats but she ended up losing the WH and deeply in debt, millions of what she 'gave' were left to others to repay via more donations to Hillary.
But it's all different for Bernie. And some of your cohort on DU have done us all the favor of making it very clear why they treat him differently.

I'll have nothing to do with your candidate's antisemitic crap nor her Reagan loving homophobia. That stuff appeals to her base, I am not her base.

[DemocracyDirect]

54. So you find some equivalence of one person earning $225k for a one hour speech...

... to a whole campaign team being paid $800k a month for running a whole campaign?

$800k a month might just influence what a political operate says.

Of course that campaign team is being paid $800k to say things in support of Bernie Sanders political candidacy.
One must wonder what Hillary Clinton is being paid for with $225k (x3 for 3 speeches) from Goldman-Sachs.

You say I am insulting you?

You are the one who called me "naive" for something about that paying campaign staff influences what they say to the public?
That is ironic.

I applaud your interest in knowing how many people are in his campaign team. I am sure his team is more than 10 people and less than 50. And each of these people probably has an expense account.

I hope his campaign team is better than the Dalai Lama at political campaigning. I respect the Dalai Lama for things unrelated to political campaigning.

I don't consider the Progressive Platform to be nonsense.

Thank you for saying I have a superior level of intelligence.

[R B Garr]

29. Yes! And your other post here is excellent. Your FEC

analysis is spot on. Not sure about Weavers line item, but it makes sense he is about the money. They still raise the most out of a pretend victim status for Bernie.

Sanders has really exposed himself as being a hypocrite and a shallow hypocrite at that. That New York Daily News interview revealed a shocking superficiality. I'm glad to see New York is not going to let him skate.

[riversedge]

51. Thanks for the post--missed it but glad to hear.

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. perfect response nt

[Nonhlanhla]

47. What a ridiculous statement

How is going negative against Bernie "destroying the Democratic Party"? Bernie is only barely a Democrat, and he's the one who is been running negatively against Hillary for months, and who even ramped up the attacks on her in recent weeks, when he know damn well that is the likely nominee and that he is harming her GE chances. Meanwhile he has been suing the Democratic Party, and has shown no desire to help downticket races. If anyone is going negative, and if anyone is destroying the Democratic Party, is is Bernie.

[Nyan]

52. Wow. This thread has 50 replies and I only see 7 of them.

Thank goodness for my ignore list. I don't have to feel dirty.

[Land of Enchantment]

58. Saw Jeff Weaver on the teevee today and he was deadly serious.

Thank dog Bernie hired him--friends for a very long time. Good judgement, again Bernie. Jeff is smart and tenacious. He will take care of this assault and Bernie will come through this with his usual flying colors and dignity intact.