This should be of concern to ALL members of the "democratic" underground.

[LAS14]

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/04/1510103/-Hillary-No-indication-there-is-any-interest-that-Sanders-would-help-elect-more-Democrats

Sanders supporters, in particular, should be concerned enough to try to change this, as he needs a different congress to implement his ideas.

[Kip Humphrey]

1. Only concern is Hillary spreading millions of corporate cash in attempt to corrupt and buy Democrats

[FreakinDJ]

40. DING DING DING ^^^ Thread Winner ^^^

Here let me introduce you to some of my Third Way Buddies

[Bill USA]

111. oh 'great': I can read Discussionist derp without leaving DU.

[arcane1]

2. I'll donate to the candidates I choose to donate to. I don't need her doing it for me.

I bet she won't be funding any primary challengers, will she?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. not the establishment ones anyway

Lots of indications that the party shrinks even more if she wins the nominations tho

[Dem2]

4. Money is important to one particular candidate

But to others it's like poison, they aren't allowed to have any of it. Besides, it's tainted if Hillary touched it, amrite?

/s

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

5. Screw the DNC...

I will not donate to that corrupt institution until all the corrupt Third Wayers are kicked to the curb.

[Setsuna1972]

90. wait a second

Is this DEMOCRATIC Underground, or Bernie Sanders Underground ??? Maybe I took a wrong turn on the Internets...

[noretreatnosurrender]

106. I'm a Democrat

and I'll choose which Democrats get my money. My money will go DIRECTLY to those candidates so they actually get the money. My money will not go through Hillary or the corrupt DNC. If you choose to spend your money that way go for it but don't tell me how to spend mind.

[Setsuna1972]

118. I'm not telling you how to spend YOUR money

It's yours to use how you want . My point is that Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat . He has not, is not, and does not plan to support Any down ticket Democratic candidate . Bernie only cares about himself and his so called Revolution . His lack of a record actually doing something with anyone in Congress speaks for itself. And for me, his campaign and some of his more vocal supporters are not exactly kind to black voters when they refer to the Southern states Hillary won as being in the Confederacy . Do you really expect to win over black voters when so many of your fellow Bernie supporters keep spitting in the face of black voters like myself ??? To me, Bernie is just another Flim Flam Man .

[noretreatnosurrender]

120. You forgot the kitchen sink

Wow you sure jammed a lot of talking points into your comment.

[Setsuna1972]

122. I've been out of town

So I'm making up for lost time !

[noretreatnosurrender]

123. LOL

I'll join you in a smoke but I'll just agree to disagree with you on the talking points.

[Kalidurga]

130. Yes, you probably meant to take a right turn.

[Setsuna1972]

140. Are you calling me a Republican ???

Because I dare say something opposite of Sanders ??? You don't know me very well, do you ???

[dubyadiprecession]

135. I can't tell the difference between some of these bernie supporters and..

Trumps supporters. They both come on as desperate and frightened

[Setsuna1972]

141. Almost like a cult

Sort of like the Soka Gakkai International Buddhist cult--if you dare say anything counter to their great leader Ikeda, you're gonna get it !

[LexVegas]

6. He'll help elect HRC when she secures the nomination. Heads will explode here...nt

[Iliyah]

7. Yes, that is a concern.

[killbotfactory]

8. "Thanks for riling up the youngsters, now give us their votes and fuck off"

Do they think Sanders support is so cheap?

We still have a ways to go until the convention.

[Iliyah]

14. This has nada to do with young voters.

[killbotfactory]

47. It's pretty condescending to Bernie voters

His support comes from the issues he endorses.

If politicians want support from his base, they need to actually endorse those positions.

[Kittycat]

129. I've been saying this for years! This is why I Stopped donating to the DNC

I began giving individual donations down ticket during Obama's 2008 run. Payday Debbie will never see a dime from me in her campaign, nor anyone like her, because I don't support their positions. Simple.

[DemocracyDirect]

9. Does anyone have a list of progressive incumbants and primary challengers that support Bernie?

We need that list and we need it now!

It's time to donate to someone on that list every time someone tries this ridiculous meme.

And that list will scare the establishment more than anything else.

[CalvinballPro]

15. Yes, complete your transformation into the Tea Party and begin the primary challenges! nt

[Matt_in_STL]

19. Three cheers for the status quo!!!

You go with your badass, mediocrity accepting self. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't be a moderate conservative - you can be anything you want to be.

[CalvinballPro]

23. No wonder you hate democracy, because you always lose!

And strangely, repeated losses never seem to spur you folks to change tactics, or adjust your message. But hey, if you want to be eternal losers, "you can be anything you want to be," right?

[Matt_in_STL]

30. Yes, I hate Democracy, that makes perfect sense.

Are you one of those attempts Microsoft keeps making at artificial intelligence? If so, it's a step up from the racist tweets it posted a couple weeks ago, albeit very small steps.

Losers because we don't want to stand for the status quo and are willing to fight for change. Damn, you must have hated the unions. As I said, enjoy the mediocrity - you earned it!

[CalvinballPro]

37. Losers because you can't win elections. Losers because your hateful tone prevents you from building

an actual coalition that would translate into electoral strength.

Your movement is being conned by the schuckster running the Sanders campaign. I hope you enjoy your small donations padding Tad Devine's retirement fund. Talk about a Democratic Party insider; he is the architect of super-delegates! And he couldn't even help Sanders win those! LOL

[Matt_in_STL]

49. Wow, you sure do sound angry

Maybe you should go have David Brock massage your neck and shoulders while whispering anti-semitic and sexist remarks in your ears to calm you down.

[CalvinballPro]

62. Your human masked has slipped off there, troll. Re-adjust.

[TM99]

105. Well your buddies saved your

ass after calling someone a troll.

You might want to rethink your communication approach as evidenced in this thread. You will not survive all of them if you keep acting this churlish and inappropriate.

[Hekate]

114. So it's okay to call someone an anti-semite and sexist based on no proof? And somehow that's...

...not trolling?

Riiiiiiight.


JURY: I am responding to the post above mine and another --with a query that seems germane.

[TM99]

115. I think you did not read the actual subthread.

Why?

Because what you are claiming is not there.

[My Good Babushka]

59. So if you endure losses

when advocating for things like living wages, health care, affordable education, and a clean sustainable environment, you should just quit and become an election-winning shill for corrupt abusive businesses and banks and fossil fuel industries. Got it.

[DemocracyDirect]

20. Sorry this is not the Republican Underground.

We support a Democratic agenda like this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

You took a wrong turn on your way here.

[CalvinballPro]

25. You want the Constitution to guarantee you income for leisure activities? Wow, so dumb.

So convinced of your own righteousness, and your candidate can't even win a primary election. Thanks for the laughs though!

[DemocracyDirect]

36. I agree, indentured servitude is not cool.

You don't have any income for leisure time?

I am very sorry for you.

[CalvinballPro]

63. I've earned my leisure income. "Earning," do you know what that means? Ask your parents.

[DemocracyDirect]

64. Interesting.

I am an IT professional.

I support my parents in their retirement for everything beyond what their Social Security covers.

You know what they say when you assume. But in this case it only covers you.

[CalvinballPro]

65. Sure you do. You just happened to agree that they live upstairs and you take the basement.

Less distance to move your stuff when you "moved out" right?

[DemocracyDirect]

66. Wrong again.

We don't have a basement.

But I do have a nice view of the Pacific Ocean.

But you were partly right.

My parents do live with me now. I think they like the pool, cinema room, and ocean breezes.

You obviously know a lot about living in the basement at your parents house.

[CalvinballPro]

68. You're rubber and I'm glue? Not surprised by your grade-school antics.

[DemocracyDirect]

69. Paradoxical

You can have the rat now and you know what to do.

[CalvinballPro]

70. I think you have very different, and disturbing, ideas for what to do with a rat than I do.

[DemocracyDirect]

71. You apparently like rat holes.

And that's what this conversation is.

[CalvinballPro]

73. I've called the ASPCA on you and that rat you've got. Shameful behavior on your part.

[DemocracyDirect]

74. What are you talking about?

I never said anything about a rat.

Try to focus.

[CalvinballPro]

75. Circular argument

is circular.

[DemocracyDirect]

76. Yes it is.

[CalvinballPro]

77. +1

[polly7]

96. +1,000,000 nt.

[Warren DeMontague]

98. ...

[PowerToThePeople]

101. Typical status quo supporter.

They are the cream of the crop, because they say so.

[Phlem]

113. He/She is a new 2016 member and supports Hillary.

Talks like he was around here the first time Hillary tried to run for el Presidente.

Hillary, awful then, awful now, just listen to her supporters.

[TM99]

116. They probably were.

Lots of 'shell' accounts from that time period are now super active.

[Phlem]

133. I was thinking of that as I was writing it.

You're probably right, I wouldn't doubt it.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. Wow, arent you pleasant.

So nice of you to offer your expertise in coalition building, here in this thread, chief.

[My Good Babushka]

61. Leisure, yes

Include things like family leave, adequate vacations, sick time, maternity leave, recreation and rest are essential to health and public hygiene. Even animals get released from the yoke, yet low wage workers are not afforded even that.

[Politicalboi]

83. The election ain't over yet

Hillary has lots of states to lose. Tax the rich!!!!! Bernie or BUST!!!!! Yes, I want people like the Clinton's to pay their fair share. But I guess you think food stamps are a life of leisure. I have a refrigerator too.

[riderinthestorm]

31. Yes, there are currently 191 candidates running "with Bernie "

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?4694-Bernie-s-Coat-Tails-Important-List-of-Bernie-Democrats-Running-for-Office

[DemocracyDirect]

42. Thanks!

I'll be over at JPR in a few months.

Until then I'm manning battle stations here.

[Jennylynn]

103. Good Call

[stonecutter357]

10. bernie hates the democratic party.

Hillary: "No indication there is any interest" that Sanders would help elect more Democrats . no he wont help bernie hates the Democratic Party.

[DemocracyDirect]

22. Bernie and his supporters love the Democratic Party.

We are not convinced that the DINOs love the Democratic Party,
or are just trying to destroy it for self-interest.

[liberal N proud]

32. He has a lousy way of showing that he loves the Democratic Party

Shows up, gets the free stuff (resources) and continues to play by himself.

You have to be a team player to be on a team.

[DemocracyDirect]

38. Tell that to the team players that are stabbing him in the back.

Some team.

[liberal N proud]

46. Why would they support him? He has done nothing for the Party

NOTHING! Showed up, said he wants to run as a Democrat so he could access the party resources. Then he continues to criticize the Party.

If you don't play with the team, the team isn't going to play with you.

[DemocracyDirect]

48. This is a primary election.

Not a schoolyard brawl.

If Bernie Sanders wins the nomination he will be the leader of our party.

[liberal N proud]

50. You do realize that down ticket candidate face primary challenges as well.

Usually the Presidential candidate will help them by including them at their rallies.

[DemocracyDirect]

52. Well if those down ticket candidates support Bernie...

... he will support them as well.

We're funding those down ticket people who support a Progressive Democratic agenda right now.

And we will win either way.

Don't believe me, just watch!

[liberal N proud]

53. LOL eom

[DemocracyDirect]

57. Hahaha

[thesquanderer]

112. So he's supposed to raise money for the super delegates who are supporting Hillary??

If by some chance Bernie is the nominee, I'm sure he will be glad to help congressional Dems between the convention and the election. Until then, he’d be mostly helping Hillary’s supporters, not his own. Besides, isn’t most of Hillary’s financial support of other candidates coming from people who max out on contributing to her own campaign? Bernie doesn’t have the same large base of high rollers.

[HughLefty1]

45. I voted D for 25 years.

It was the DINOS and corporatists that drove many of us away.

DNC=democratic national corporatist party with a heavy emphasis on the corporatists. Little emphasis on the 'democratic.'

[rbrnmw]

51. why is he suing the Party he loves?

[DemocracyDirect]

54. Because they moved to cut him off from his own campaign information.

And then when he asked for an impartial investigation he was stonewalled.

The lawsuit will continue until the truth comes out of what really happened with NGP VAN and a firewall that was allowed to be lowered.

We really only have their word that they weren't looking at Sanders campaign info also.

[rbrnmw]

55. be careful what ya wish for

[DemocracyDirect]

58. Thank you I will.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. Why does the DNC chair ally herself with sheldon adelson to send medical cannabis users to prison?

So many questions...

[baldguy]

119. +1000

He's spent his entire career bashing the party, until he decided to run for President.

And he's never helped like-minded down-ticket candidates either.

[Depaysement]

128. This statement is foolish

He's been caucusing with Dems in Congress for a quarter of a century.

[Doctor_J]

11. So the 10 million or so Sanders voters joining the party and showing up to vote won't help?

[liberal N proud]

33. Is there anything showing they will vote for other Democrats on the tickets?

[Duckhunter935]

44. Yes as he says all of the time

He can not do anything without Congress

[Doctor_J]

86. You don't think that the newly engaged Sandernistas will vote for anyone about whom Bernie says,

"This person will help me enact the agenda that you and I are trying to achieve"?

Most of the Clinton supporters seem certain that if/when Bernie endorses Hillary, all of his loyal new followers will obey him and vote for Hillary. Now you claim to be worried that he won't have any coat tails.

[Arkansas Granny]

39. How certain is it that they'll turn up to vote if Bernie doesn't win the nomination?

I hear reports that many of them will sit the election out.

[Hekate]

117. +1000

[My Good Babushka]

12. Candidates should run on the strength of their ideas

not on money. with publicly funded elections, then we wouldn't need any of this, this obscene shit-storm of money getting pissed away every election.

[CalvinballPro]

13. The Presidential nominee is supposed to lead the Party, and Bernie has no interest in that.

Send him back to the Senate where he can return to re-naming Vermont post offices and re-submitting his single-payer bill for the umpteenth time. A bill, mind you, for which he has done zero work to get any support, outside of calling his colleagues "corrupt" for not automatically supporting it.

[geek tragedy]

16. a lot of people here are not Democrats nt

[Iliyah]

29. Agreed and can care less about the Dems BUT

will be the first to complain.

[Matt_in_STL]

17. Under the "leadership of DWS", the DNC has run itself broke

And what do they have to show for it? Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. Why would anyone donate money to a broken machine?

Donate directly to the candidates you support and insure they get the money they need to put forward a good campaign. With the DNC you have no idea who gets your money, if it goes to any candidate at all.

[progressoid]

18. That's not what I heard at one of his speeches.

To thunderous applause, he talked about getting more progressives elected at all levels of government. That's kind of part of his thing - that he can't do this alone.

[Sheepshank]

43. As with all of his "achieve nothing" activities, this one too is all talk

He has done absolutely nothing to rally the voters around down ticket candidates, no fundraising, no support, never built any relationships. Again, it's all talk so a few can remember he said something at a speech, they are fully vested in believing that he is able and willing to support the Democratic Party. A party, by the way, he has shown an intense amount of disdain for, right up until he carpetbagged the Party for his Presidential bid.

[progressoid]

56. And a party that has shown disdain for him as well.

Bernie has the potential to bring in millions of new members to the party. But if he (and all of his recruits) are viewed as carpetbaggers, it's really going to really suck for the future of the party. That's not really a "welcome to the big tent" sentiment.

Of course, the irony is that Hillary was called a carpetbagger when she decided to become a New Yorker to run for Senate.

[Sheepshank]

80. momentary cross over of indies isn't any sort of long term strategy for millions of new party member

Indies are voters of the moment and claim to be indies for a good reason. Their long term alliance doesn't exist. And that is absolutely their prerogative. They are Indies for a reason. But to make the claim that Bernie is party building is a big fat whopping joke.

[progressoid]

88. It's young voters and first time voters. And yes, some indies.

It's the people the party needs to grow. Bernie is attracting them.

So far Hillary is drawing in one demographic consistently - people 65 and older. That's not going to keep the party going into the future.

If these new voters aren't inspired to join the party they will become indies. Or worse yet, not vote at all. Treating them like shit ain't gonna help the cause at all.

[Hekate]

121. A reality check will be coming due shortly, you know. When you support a candidate....

....there is a chance they will not get nominated. Do any of these eager youngsters know that yet? Are any of them going to stick around to help anyone on the ticket if Bernie happens to not be on it? Are any of them going to still be registered Dems two years from now?

It's no good stamping your feet and complaining that the rules aren't fair -- that's what Trump is doing right now and it's a petulant sight.

If anyone wants to change the rules of the Party, they are going to have to stick around and do the hard work of persuading others to their viewpoint from inside the big tent. That is something Bernie, sadly, has never done. As Senator Al Franken noted, what Bernie does is alienate his natural allies.

As for Hillary's little old lady demographic -- thank you all to hell for your condescension. We show up. We show up and vote, but we also show up and work. Where will the eager youngsters be during the GE season if they don't get their way right this minute? We'll be glad to work with them if they will work with us -- but otherwise, like the Little Red Hen, we'll do it by ourselves.

[progressoid]

136. Heh. My wife is one of those little old ladies.

So much irony watching us Boomers getting irritated at these young upstarts who don't want to play by the old rules.

And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through

[Hekate]

137. Little do the "children" know -- we spit on no one

Perhaps we just get tired of tantrums that go nowhere.

[progressoid]

139. Sure.

Can you honestly read this thread, and say there is no condescension or spitting on (metaphorically of course)?

[NurseJackie]

24. That's absolutely correct, you know! A very important fact ...

... to take into consideration.

[JackRiddler]

26. Bullshit. A landslide would elect a whole new boatload of them.

Sanders cannot possibly be a better candidate against Trump. The two outsiders, one offers hope and compassion, the other is an exposed conman full of craziness, racism and misogyny.

[Contrary1]

27. 22 of the 33 state parties have returned all money received from the Hillary Victory Fund to the DNC

How does that help those states?

[BlueMTexpat]

67. Link? eom

[Contrary1]

81. Here:

"...The Alaska Democratic party, in its end of the year filing with the FEC, said it raised $43,500 from the Hillary Victory Fund with 10,000.00 dollar donations from Clinton friends and billionaires, including hedge fund manage S Donald Sussman, and Hyatt Hotel heir JB Pritzker. ( two of the several $10,000 donors to the Montana State Democratic Party) . But in the same report it said it transferred the same amount of money, $43,500 back to the DNC – . a technically legal move that effectively obliterates federal limits on donations to the national committee.

The same thing happened with the Maine State Democratic Party with many of the same billionaire donors. Maine attracted many of Clinton’s biggest donors. But the contributions didn’t stay in Maine either, or in any of the other state democratic parties to which Hillary Victory Fund donations have been funneled. In October and November two transfers totaling 39,000 from the Hillary Victory Fund to the Maine Democratic party sat for less than 48 hours before the same amounts were transferred to the DNC in Washington.

The Montana State Democratic party received $43,500 dollars from the Hillary Victory Fund on November 2, 2015. Yet on that same day it transferred $43,500 back to the Democratic National Committee in Washington. And on December 1, 2015 it received another $20,600 from the Hillary Victory fund. And on the same day the Montana State Democratic Party sent that exact same amount, $20,600, back to the DNC in Washington as well, an entity that has not bothered to disguise its preference for a Hillary Clinton candidacy over that of a Bernie Sanders one.

By November 2015, 22 of the state parties linked to the Hillary Victory Fund have received $938,500 from the fund and sent the same amount back to the DNC. There is no limit to amounts of money transferred between state and national parties and PACS or Funds."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

[BlueMTexpat]

85. Thank you for the link.

But this was the situation as described in Nov 2015. There are some very loose assumptions made in the article as well.

Conspiracy theory, for example:

One could reasonably infer that the tacit agreement between the signatories was that the state parties and the Hillary Clinton Campaign would act in unity and mutual support. And that the super-delegates of these various partner states would either pledge loyalty to Clinton, or, at the least, not endorse Senator Sanders. Not only did Hillary’s multi-millionaire and billionaire supporters get to bypass individual campaign donation limits to state parties by using several state parties apparatus, but the Clinton campaign got the added bonus of buying that state’s super-delegates with the promise of contributions to that Democratic organization’s re-election fund.

The article (and you) imply that the parties gave the $$$ back mainly to avoid being beholden to Hillary and examples given of which MT is one. Nice slur indeed.

I am a native Montanan and know Senator Tester. Governor Bullock was a classmate of one of my DILs. While neither may yet have formally endorsed Hillary's candidacy, both are loyal Dems and will endorse the Dem nominee wholeheartedly. The idea of the state party's giving money back to the Victory Fund is tied more to rules on limiting campaign spending amounts than fear of being beholden to Hillary. Bullock is up for re-election this year and his Rep opponent is a carpetbagger GOPer creationist nutcase who will get LOTS of outside money.

The article is written by former actress Margot Kidder (of Superman fame) who is a Bernie supporter. Of course, she will put the worst spin on these actions that she can without delving into more than the most superficial analysis. Shame on you both!

[Contrary1]

91. I don't think the reason they gave the money back was to avoid being beholden to Hillary...

I believe it was an investment in her future support to them. The DNC can now spend it to support the Clinton Campaign, without violating any law.

And you are right...I was incorrect when I said all the money has been sent back, since the article clearly stated November.

[frylock]

94. Yep. It's just one big money washing scam to fleece the rubes.

[Joob]

28. Thanks, I did need to see that. Didn't think it was possible...

but I hate Hillary more.

[MadDAsHell]

34. In the words of most DUers when responding to another DUer: "Thanks for your 'concern' "

Just kidding

In all seriousness, ridiculous.

[Gothmog]

35. This is a major issue

If Sanders wants to use the VAN and the DNC resources, then he needs to raise funds for down ballot candidates

[noretreatnosurrender]

107. He is using those resources

because the DNC wanted him to run as a Democrat as opposed to a third party candidate. The deal was already set. You don't add conditions AFTER the agreement.

[Hekate]

124. Of all the ridiculous claims I've heard, that takes the cake. He absolutely did not have to run as

....a Democrat. It was to his advantage to do so, or he would not have done it. It was and is incumbent on HIM to understand and abide by the rules of the Party whose infrastructure and money he is taking advantage of, a realization that seems sorely lacking among his followers.

Who has spent her adult life working as a Democrat and for Democratic candidates? Building bridges? Networking? Raising funds for the Party? It sure has not been Bernie.

Who has spent his adult life knocking everything about the Party and never helping build its infrastructure -- which incidentally includes the database BS so desperately wants access to?

Yeah.

[noretreatnosurrender]

126. Arrangement Beneficial to Both

Of course it was beneficial to him as it was beneficial to the DNC to not have him run as a third party candidate. You have problems with it take it up with the DNC. They agreed to it. Do you want them to go back on their word? Wait long enough and they probably will.

[Phlem]

41. Well OK, I guess I'll change my vote to........WTF!

I'm supposed to believe the lying liar that's been lying her whole career?!?

She might be right. He probably won't be promoting corrupt corporate Democrats anymore, you know, her kind of Democrats.

[Ferd Berfel]

60. Bernie has never said he can impliment his plans on day one

Yes we will need to change over the make up of congress. But..........

With Bernie in the WH in landslide , the RW (of both Parties) will have to start falling in line because Bernie will continue the Political Revolution going forward. He will not drop the whole thing like Obama did. There will be Power in this. If Hillary manages to steal this, most people will see 'Status Quo' and go back to sleep.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. Why should he support people wbo oppose him?

[merrily]

78. I'd be "concerned" if it were true. It isn't.

Bernie has long campaigned for Democrats, even though he himself ran as an independent.

BTW, Sanders supporters have long been concerned about down ticket and state candidates who support Sanders. I, for one, have been donating to certain down ticket and state candidates (outside my own state) for about a year now.

See also this forum at JPR: http://jackpineradicals.org/forumdisplay.php?45-Down-Ticket-Elections

But thanks for your concern.

[KPN]

79. Oh geez! Well in that case, I will discount

everything he has to say about corruption in the parties, ties to big money, Wall Street regulating Congress as opposed to the reverse, access to health is a right not a privilege, the 1% should pay their fair share as opposed to less on a percentage of income basis than typical middle class Americans, the need for energy policy now to save ourselves from the effects of global warming, the abject failure of regime change, the moral criminality of for profit prisons and the war on drugs, the failure of status quo governance in accomplishing any of these things, etc., etc.

And just vote for Hillary instead.

[TheDormouse]

82. Sorry, but DailyKos is dead to me

So you'll have to restate the specific issue of concern, or I can't follow the conversation.

[cloudythescribbler]

84. This is just primary campaign season rhetoric from Hillary ...

It is amazing that so many people are so utterly partisan (or in some cases credulous) that they have such difficulty seeing that and brushing this statement aside.

In 2008 there was a VERY intensive and hot campaign and a LOT of things were said -- but once elected President Barack Obama (who I supported then from the beginning just as I'm now supporting Bernie Sanders) had no problem working together with his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

It's not "undemocratic" or "unDemocratic" to dismiss this as the rhetoric that it is, just keeping it real

Is it true that MANY of Bernie's voters will stay home or vote for Jill Stein & such, and have no loyalty to the Democratic Party as such? Yes, and that includes a lot of voters registered as Independents (and a few Republicans) who need to be won over. I have no doubt that if Hillary is the nominee, not only will Bernie support her, but will campaign actively for her, as well as many though not necessarily all Democrats indiscriminately. He has made this clear. And there are many Bernie supporters who, in that situation, would need to do everything possible to win over "Bernie or Bust" voters. Bernie does NOT exercise total control of each and every voter who votes for him, and his base should not be trashed like this by a Democratic Party oriented to getting a Democratic Congress.

However, there needs to be a lot more frankness from Democratic leadership about the Repuglican "gerrymandority" in the House to effectively and successfully wage this longer term struggle. My guess is that there will be a GOP president before we get a Democratic House majority. And then anti-gerrymandering laws need to be passed, as part of a NEW EXPANDED Voting Rights Act, along with tooth-and-nail struggle at the level of State politics and elections in states like WI, MI, OH, PA, VA, NC. FL and others especially! Someday there might even be a (progressive) "Right to Vote" Amendment to the Constitution but don't hold your breath.

[katmille]

87. K&R

Thanks, LAS, so true!

[Lucinda]

89. I fully agree but we have a lot of temporary Dems here who will totally not get it

Thanks for the article

[treestar]

93. Yes, Congress matters

[Warren DeMontague]

95. This guy is in Florida, maybe he should worry about DWS teaming up with sheldon adelson

Who is not, last time i checked, a democrat.

[HereSince1628]

100. Just a guess, but I think Sanders wouldn't support New Dems/Third-Wayers/DLCers

And when you look at whose running, that's the dominant flavor.

I wonder how many Dixiecrats LBJ helped support in 64.

[Samantha]

102. Someone posted here a few weeks ago that there are over 100 people gearing up to run for

Congress, taking no pac money, and representing the same planks in their platforms that are in Bernie's. I took that to mean that this Country one way or another has been forever changed in the way it conducts its elections. There are some things we need to address of course in the way the DNC has run this primary, but as time goes by, we will inch closer and closer to phasing out the bad and restoring the good. I am just that optimistic.

Sam

[MFM008]

104. MONEY

It doesn't matter if you are a corporation or someone on welfare. you want something for your million or your dollar.
Its the same thing...... money. Don't think your money is HOLY and your guy should nt be attacked because they take it .
(Almost) All politicians take money.
Also Sanders is not a democrat, why should he raise money to help the party.

[Bill USA]

109. accurate assessment...

We here at the DailyKos have pointed out for a long time how Bernie seems to be not conducive to and interested in helping other Democrats getting elected. It is truly confounding that he seems so uninterested in helping other Democrats get elected, because were he to win the nomination the only way he could get anything accomplished from his big, ambitious agenda is if he has a more friendly Senate and House (which means, MORE DEMOCRATS in both bodies). So, we have watched with relative dismay as Bernie has time and time again not done his part in that supposed mutual “partnership”.

Ranging from his dismissive “We’ll see” when asked when he would start fundraising for Democrats, as he explicitly agreed to in writing when he signed on with the DNC to use our fundraising databases, infrastructure, monies, to never going out of his way to mention or introduce local politicians who are trying to wrestle seats in Congress away from entrenched Republicans in the various cities and states he holds his large rallies in, missed opportunities as that would help us all.

[hellofromreddit]

110. Democrats need to help themselves get elected

Canova and Gabbard seem to be doing fine.

There is clearly a movement that is willing to support politicians we see as allies.

If more of them want our support, they'll need to get on-board. Supporting wars, TPP, and other bullshit then turning around and telling us that republicans are worse doesn't cut it.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

125. Bernie has said from the start he can't get it done with this Congress. He's going to rely on the

revolution to sweep the DLC Dems out the door. Seems like helping DLC Dems get elected and re-elected is counter productive to his revolution. Bernie, Occupy, other grassroots networks will work to get FDR Democrats elected.

[Depaysement]

127. Already working on it

NY-19 Zephyr Teachout.

No Dino's invited.

[LuvLoogie]

131. Bernie is irrelevant without the Democrats' political largesse.

I suspect that less than 10% of his supporters who are new Democrats will remain Democrats if he loses the nomination.

I think he resents the Democratic party.

[YOHABLO]

132. Bernie should consider running independently.

[bvf]

134. News flash: It ain't the fucking "DNCunderground,"

nor is it "democraticpartyundergound."

My money goes where I want it to, not where some Third Way type dictates.

[beedle]

138. The only thing

That makes it seem Hillary cares is the bullshit way the DNC has found to funnel rich donor money up from the state dem parties, back to the DNC, who gives it to the Hillary Victory Fund, which Hillary uses at her discrestion to buy off the loyality of super delegates and sitting members of congress.