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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:21 PM Apr 2016

Poll: Would you rather see Bernie's Tax Returns or Hillary's Speech Transcripts?


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Bernie's Tax Returns
5 (5%)
Hillary's Speech Transcripts
86 (95%)
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Poll: Would you rather see Bernie's Tax Returns or Hillary's Speech Transcripts? (Original Post) Logical Apr 2016 OP
The transcripts, but I'd take both. morningfog Apr 2016 #1
Me too, I am not worried about Bernies tax returns. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #3
I'd rather see you treat different-gender candidates equally..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #2
Hillary KNOWS the transcripts would make her look horrible! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #5
Because the tax returns, you're good with them? Seriously..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #12
Lol, then she would fucking release them, she has decided that.... Logical Apr 2016 #18
Funny....you ask the woman in the race to release her taxes and transcripts..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #22
Oh FFS, I love Warren, is she a woman? Lol, nice try! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #30
Again..... where is your call for all of the men in the race to release their taxes and transcripts? msanthrope Apr 2016 #35
This issue has nothing to do with woman anything. Biaviians Apr 2016 #52
Lol too on bringing gender into this, nice try! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #6
??? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #8
Lol! Ok lets demand to see Bernies transcripts too. jmg257 Apr 2016 #9
Why do you always bring up gender? timmymoff Apr 2016 #10
When my gender doesn't cause me to get paid less, I'll stop bringing it up. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #14
That is idiotic. You pay has jack shit to do with presidential tax returns. morningfog Apr 2016 #17
It has everything to do with it. Bernie is a man and Hillary is a woman? Autumn Apr 2016 #50
Lol, even more not making sense! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #19
And you think timmymoff Apr 2016 #24
perhaps the idea is to reduce wages across the board Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #75
What has this got to do with gender? Politicalboi Apr 2016 #11
Nothing. It's a pathetic wedge attempt. Disgraceful. morningfog Apr 2016 #16
Funny.....the woman I the race, who has released her taxes is now being called upon to do more. msanthrope Apr 2016 #20
What a steaming pile of bullshit. For fucks sake. morningfog Apr 2016 #13
She hasn't released her taxes for 2015. TeeYiYi Apr 2016 #21
they aren't due and owing yet, are they? nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #23
I guess not. TeeYiYi Apr 2016 #37
They ain't due and owing, yet. And of course, in the spirit if equality, you msanthrope Apr 2016 #34
I thought it went without saying... TeeYiYi Apr 2016 #42
Different gender... pangaia Apr 2016 #27
So tired of people focusing on genger, race but Clinton's email today was selling goods to help ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #39
Rather strange remark yet totally expected. Autumn Apr 2016 #44
Seriously why bring up gender, must have been an email from Clinton campaign today ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #31
What? bvf Apr 2016 #53
And there goes the gender card. Clinton told Goldman-Sachs the truth as to her positions. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #64
Ok I demand we see Bernie's Wall Street transcripts. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #68
There is no doubt whatsoever I'll see Bernie's tax returns. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #4
I don't give a fig about seeing either one. Beacool Apr 2016 #7
Math or English? Hiraeth Apr 2016 #15
oh look another online poll won by the bernie crowd. nt msongs Apr 2016 #25
The only reason you know about the speeches is her tax returns MattP Apr 2016 #26
Lol, no, people have mentioned seeing the speeches! Nice try! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #32
Please try to keep perspective. Clinton has acquired over $50 million dollars and Sanders less rhett o rick Apr 2016 #65
I've seen his financial disclosures, the tax returns won't reveal anything. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #28
Clinton Foundation's 1100 mystery donations, the American version of the Panama Papers nc4bo Apr 2016 #71
The difference is, we can expect an answer from Sanders felix_numinous Apr 2016 #29
... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #33
$150,000 for a year..... daleanime Apr 2016 #41
I think if you posted the same poll in the real world ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #45
So the question is moot.... daleanime Apr 2016 #49
Yes, real dems vs right leaning ones, like you. Still confused? Nt Logical Apr 2016 #43
Ah ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #46
Unless you are even more confused that politics do not matter! Remember... Logical Apr 2016 #51
Politics matter. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #57
You mean there's no difference in Left wing vs Right wing? Hydra Apr 2016 #55
Yes, there's a difference. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #56
Oh, so it's not up to the people of the US to determine where their candidates stand? Hydra Apr 2016 #58
I didn't say anything about the People of the US ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #61
LOL Hydra Apr 2016 #62
i've been posting on DU snice '05 DesertFlower Apr 2016 #63
No doubt, you'll allege to know the difference, yes? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #69
I agree it's always shocking to see just how microscopic the pro-Hillary group is, Marr Apr 2016 #84
The Transcripts - This Citizen Wants To Understand What She Has Promised The 1% cantbeserious Apr 2016 #36
Hill's transcripts. I want to hear what she says that is so valuable to them. I doubt Autumn Apr 2016 #38
One is around $150,000 for a year..... daleanime Apr 2016 #40
I don't get the whole tax return thing. basselope Apr 2016 #47
This is a tough one for me. ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #48
I want to see both Hydra Apr 2016 #54
Can't bring myself to care about either, though I see both work different people up pretty well Recursion Apr 2016 #59
We will see Bernie's tax returns but we will never see those transcripts. Punkingal Apr 2016 #60
Couldn't care less about either. zappaman Apr 2016 #66
NEITHER MFM008 Apr 2016 #67
Nothing but evidence that Sanders' $16 million online advertising is effective. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #70
I don't give a rat's ass about either one. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #72
Need an option for NEITHER nt jcgoldie Apr 2016 #73
You only know how much she got for her speeches from her tax returns robbedvoter Apr 2016 #74
I voted transcripts but should have been a "both" option. bigwillq Apr 2016 #76
What I'd really like to see matt819 Apr 2016 #77
Considering she made as much in a couple of speeches as Bernie's entire net worth, EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #78
I can understand why Clinton may not want her transcripts released and she doc03 Apr 2016 #79
What is hillary trying to hide? nt Logical Apr 2016 #80
Like I said she is under no obligation to release any doc03 Apr 2016 #81
She knows they will destroy her. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #83
Both I guess. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #82
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
2. I'd rather see you treat different-gender candidates equally.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

HRC has released her taxes. Where are Bernie's?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
12. Because the tax returns, you're good with them? Seriously.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

I doubt she gives a fuck how it makes her "look."

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
18. Lol, then she would fucking release them, she has decided that....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016

Hiding them is worth the risk.

Hope someone leaks them at some point. I would love it!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
22. Funny....you ask the woman in the race to release her taxes and transcripts.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

But where is your call for Sanders Kasich Cruz and Trump to release their taxes?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
35. Again..... where is your call for all of the men in the race to release their taxes and transcripts?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

Biaviians

(167 posts)
52. This issue has nothing to do with woman anything.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders has to expose the façade that is Hillary Clinton first. After that he will expose the Republican party candidate. Then he will expose the Republicans as fringe party. They will lose their jobs. Voter suppersion will end. The democratic party will rejoice. New and exciting parties will arise and compete in a real way. Democracy will flourish. Everybody wins!!

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
10. Why do you always bring up gender?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

The person using their sex to their advantage is Hillary. She has also used her sex to play the victim. Certainly you remember Her Corporate Majesty claiming Bernie was denigrating her as a woman when he said " we can shout all we want about guns but it won't get us anywhere"? I am sure you recall her playing the victim due to her sex then. So drop the crocodile tears nobody likes seeing others cry, be it fake or real.

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
50. It has everything to do with it. Bernie is a man and Hillary is a woman?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

Ergo gender, women getting paid the same as men, taxes and how dare you harp about her transcripts are all one and the same. And when you throw in the fact that Hillary is losing it big time, as in the video below, well there you have it.




I like this video too so I decided to add it
 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
24. And you think
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

someone who was willing to cut the fight for minimum wage down to 12 is the one to fight for you?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
75. perhaps the idea is to reduce wages across the board
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

in order to bring 'basement equality'. Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
11. What has this got to do with gender?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

Most of us want to see BOTH. But I want to see how Hillary talks about the little people behind closed doors. One would think everybody would like to see how they're being talked about. Let's see if she tells them the same thing she tells us.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. Funny.....the woman I the race, who has released her taxes is now being called upon to do more.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

Where are the calls for Sanders Kasich Trump and Cruz to release their taxes?????

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
37. I guess not.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

Give it two weeks...

I thought I was the only one who filed taxes at the post office drive through, on the day they are due.

As a last minute tax filer, I do enjoy getting that free Krispy Kreme donut for my efforts...

TYY

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
34. They ain't due and owing, yet. And of course, in the spirit if equality, you
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

Will call on the Sanders campaign to release them on the same date, won't you?

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
42. I thought it went without saying...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:47 PM
Apr 2016

...that any tax returns would include 2015. That goes for both candidates.

TYY

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
39. So tired of people focusing on genger, race but Clinton's email today was selling goods to help ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

elect her as the first woman president. Imagine if an email from the Sander's campaign said 'vote for me as the first Jewish president?

I signed up just to see the emails, everyday they just want a dollar, but today they are selling shirts as being part of history for the first woman president ... sad.



slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
31. Seriously why bring up gender, must have been an email from Clinton campaign today ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

"What's made for History:

A limited edition collection from fashion's biggest names, designed to help elect the first the first woman president of the United States and Democrats from coast to coast."

Vote for me, I am woman!!!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
64. And there goes the gender card. Clinton told Goldman-Sachs the truth as to her positions.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

We would love to see what she told them. Maybe she said, "Shame on you guys, naughty, naughty, you shouldn't steal the retirements of widows. LOL. Just joking. Please make my check out to cash."

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
4. There is no doubt whatsoever I'll see Bernie's tax returns.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

And they will be boring as hell. This is a completely (and incompetently) made-up issue.

So yeah, give us something interesting: the speech transcripts.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
26. The only reason you know about the speeches is her tax returns
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

We have no idea what Bernie has in is because he is not forthcoming, 1 1040 isn't enough and nobody has ever released speeches ever

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
65. Please try to keep perspective. Clinton has acquired over $50 million dollars and Sanders less
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:50 AM
Apr 2016

than 1/100th of that. Who is most apt to have something to hide?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. I've seen his financial disclosures, the tax returns won't reveal anything.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

On the other hand I would like to know just what kind of advice she gave Wall Street that was worth millions.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
71. Clinton Foundation's 1100 mystery donations, the American version of the Panama Papers
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

And what was in those 30,000 deleted emails are of great interest to me. Why were they deleted?

Oh yes, can't forget wth was said in those speeches and why Hillary thought it was ok to set up her own personal server rather than using State Depts' servers.

I've got a list. Bernie Sanders' tax returns are more than likely a non-story but not so sure about Clinton, Inc.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
29. The difference is, we can expect an answer from Sanders
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

he always answers the vital questions. Clinton has the trust problem, and wants to distract from all the conflict of interests she doesn't want to answer for.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
33. ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

...

It's always funny to see these DU polls, given that 85% or more posters here are BS supporters.

It's always a SHOCKER! to see how they turn out!!!

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
41. $150,000 for a year.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:47 PM
Apr 2016

or $250,000 for an hour. Could that be a reason for which one I would more like to see?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
45. I think if you posted the same poll in the real world ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:50 PM
Apr 2016

... the result would be markedly different.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
49. So the question is moot....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

because there may be other questions? I'd still like mine answered. Not that I expect it will be, but have a good night anyways.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
46. Ah ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

... so quaint.

Still believing that if DUers designate someone as "real Dems" or "right-leaning", that means something in real life.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
51. Unless you are even more confused that politics do not matter! Remember...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

You used to not like Hillary.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
56. Yes, there's a difference.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

But it's not up to DU to determine who stands where.

In fact, when it comes to anything to do with the Democratic Party and its members, DU is in no position to determine anything.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
58. Oh, so it's not up to the people of the US to determine where their candidates stand?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

You know that silly thing of, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people..."?

So we're just supposed to leave silly details like that up to the people in charge, and we have no say in it? Wow, that's a good one!

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
61. I didn't say anything about the People of the US ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

... not determining where the candidates stand.

What I said was: "But it's not up to DU to determine who stands where." And it's not.

"The People" have been speaking their minds since Iowa. The vast majority of Democrats want HRC as their nominee.

Funny how "the People" don't count - unless they're Bernie supporters.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
62. LOL
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

My state said 80/20 we want Bernie. I'm a person in the US, and a member of DU. And the people of Iowa spoke loudly: "We're not sure about Hillary Clinton. We may want to try the old socialist guy."

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
63. i've been posting on DU snice '05
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

and i've never met another person who posts here. when i mention it no one knows what i'm talking about. that's how important DU is.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
69. No doubt, you'll allege to know the difference, yes?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

No doubt, you'll allege to know the difference, yes? Regardless of the irrelevancy of whether you're still confused or not?


And, to assist your admitted linguistic and usage skill limitations, I offer you (Allege: verb- to assert without proof)

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
84. I agree it's always shocking to see just how microscopic the pro-Hillary group is,
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

considering the noise they make.

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
38. Hill's transcripts. I want to hear what she says that is so valuable to them. I doubt
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

she gets paid that much because she is so damned charming, it has to be something else.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
40. One is around $150,000 for a year.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

the other is $250,000 for an hour?, or is it an half an hour?, which do you think I'd want to see?

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
47. I don't get the whole tax return thing.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

His financial summaries are available going back for like forever.

Not sure what they expect to find in a tax return.. we are dealing with a guy who has never had a net worth over 500K

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
48. This is a tough one for me.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

I like Sanders, for the most part, and the fact that he hasn't released them yet looks bad.

The transcripts are probably pretty interesting though. They probably didn't pay her that much to give them a lecture on morality and social justice.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
54. I want to see both
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

But I assume we'll never see the transcripts, so I voted for that. We'll see Bernie's taxes sometime this week, and Team Hill will be back to calling us racists and sexists again. Oh, wait- sexists in first post. I guess that's the default go-to when nothing else is available.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
59. Can't bring myself to care about either, though I see both work different people up pretty well
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

I honestly, honestly, could care less which particular vapid bromides Clinton used in her speeches to Goldman Sachs. Honestly. I have trouble believing anyone sincerely thinks she said something besides the usual focus-grouped pablum, but I'll give people the benefit of the doubt on that.

The tax returns thing is even dumber.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
70. Nothing but evidence that Sanders' $16 million online advertising is effective.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

What will the paid internet trolls shoveling coal on the Sanders train do when the money stops? Back to Reddit and their upskirt photo forums, I guess!

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
72. I don't give a rat's ass about either one.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie's returns are irrelevant and Hillary's transcripts, at this late juncture, couldn't be trusted not to have been scrubbed.

Both of these "issues" are bullshit distractions.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
74. You only know how much she got for her speeches from her tax returns
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

ALL candidates, ever release those. Job description (POTUS) includes them taxing us.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
76. I voted transcripts but should have been a "both" option.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

Tax return and transcripts should be released by all candidates.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
78. Considering she made as much in a couple of speeches as Bernie's entire net worth,
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

And those speeches were to the very bankers who helped crash the economy, I think the speech transcripts are slightly more relevant to the election.

doc03

(35,300 posts)
79. I can understand why Clinton may not want her transcripts released and she
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

is under no obligation to release them. But income tax returns, it is expected a presidential candidate
release his tax returns. Just what is he trying to hide?

doc03

(35,300 posts)
81. Like I said she is under no obligation to release any
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

transcripts. She has released her tax returns just like everyone else but Sanders and Trump.

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