2016 Postmortem
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daleanime
(17,796 posts)We not suppose to remember any of that.
dchill
(38,439 posts)Made up lies by the Obama/Sanders Campaign.
UNFAIR!
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)All political candidates are fake. All of them try to make you believe they're on your side, whether or not they are. They do that "common man" thing even if they're millionaires. They make those speeches about "...the values and beliefs we all cherish..." And we buy into, most of us, every time. We know it can't be literally true, but we have to put our faith in someone.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Actually Bernie isn't fake at all, so I shouldn't have even said that.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)but there is a huge range of behaviors. A late library book is not the same as a hit and run driver. When you try to equal them all you only succeed in diminishing the good while aggrandizing the bad.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Some are more fake than others.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)And the worst part of it is she is not very good at it. Bill was just as sleazy and worse, but he tricked you long enough to get your vote.
With her you can see it a mile away, and the stink is too much to hold your nose and vote for her.
bvf
(6,604 posts)that she would even have had a career in politics, had it not been for her unfortunate marriage to this biped.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)to look up video to catch his sleeze back in the 90s
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)My daughter tells me it's getting lots of views.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)First, it is nonsensical that the Secretary of State would have been instructed to run to to the car to avoid sniper fire. The military would have cleared the area of all threats before she or anybody else was allowed to step off the plane. Or if they had known about it in advance, they probably would have not even landed and diverted to another location.
But even if there had not been footage of it to contradict her, Chelsea was right there and had to know the whole story was a lie. Can you imagine telling a bald faced lie that is not only evident to your daughter, but that might put her in the position of having to defend it at some point and risk her own reputation?
azmom
(5,208 posts)and then lied some more about the little girl being the only one there. LOL
Shameless.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)...................Reality... What you see ... IS WHAT YOU GET!
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Little_Wing
(417 posts)You want to feel sorry for her, Bill was such a douche, but observing her bad choices, and her doubling down every step of the way, despite her priveilege... Yeah she might have been a great first woman president, now she'll no doubt just be the first. Shallow, empty of integrity and dragging her baggage blindly.
The epitome of narcissism.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)I'd pay to get that aired, but it's too long for a political commercial. It's almost a comedy sitcom length and content.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I hate too much negativity, but it all appears truthful.
Jackilope
(819 posts)The head swivels and there are two sides. #whichHillary?
Broward
(1,976 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)the most articulate person out there, IMHO. Like in front of Congress claiming that her world travel as Secretary of State made her an expert in knowing everything there is to know about women's rights anywhere in the world ever in history! It's like, lots of people travel all the time. Donald Trump does, God knows ... does that make him an expert in women's rights?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)But she has no judgment, trusts nobody outside of her inner circle, doesn't know her own blind spots.
She can talk about how she went to over 110 countries "on your behalf" as I heard her tell an audience in the last couple of days, and talk about how many foreign leaders she knows by name and has looked in the eyes. But her track record shows she has poor judgment and is too hawkish.
Bernie can't name drop with her, but he is the one who has had the judgment to say OK, what happens after we topple this bad guy? Who steps into the void? What are the possible unintended consequences?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)... with all of my life.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)like what is going on in this video?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... do the same damn thing or similar.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... wanna see it?
No?!
Typical
frylock
(34,825 posts)Go for it.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I know I am not alone in thinking that Sanders is the most real, decent, humane presidential candidate, we've seen in our lifetimes. No -- he's not perfect, but his fundamental values have been spot on for decades.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts).. you think Sanders is about as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... throw stones and he can't
His bag of bad is just as full as hers just full of different shit, he's no less or more human than she is.
That being said, I'm not going to take a chance of slightly better.
Sanders doesn't have Obama's damn near clean slate
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)what on earth are you talking about?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... where someone post the truth about Sanders and people play acutely obtuse!?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Few if any people argue that Sanders is without sin, but overall it's pretty clear that throughout his political career, Sanders has been remarkably consistent in his views, unlike HRC, and less subject to powerful corrupting influences, in contrast HRC.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... I've seen so many people who think their candidates shit doesn't stink.
I don't care if Sanders has been consistent, matter of fact I don't count that as much of a virtue as being correct or right on his positions.
I don't mind if someone changes for the better and looking at both of them being human and as fucked up as everyone else I've got no real reasons to impugn HRC's integrity as Sanders has.
Sanders votes for immunity for corporations and somehow that's LESS "corrupting"... do people read what the right these days!?!?
Sanders can't throw stones, his political bag of bad is just as full as hers
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Frankly, I don't even know know what HRC's big ideas are, if any. Also, one of the main reasons I prefer Sanders is because he is the only one really talking about the urgency of climate change.
But, to the main point-- fairly or unfairly, Sanders has the appearance of being far more honest than HRC.
I do think someone would have a hard time putting together a video like the one in the OP, showing Sanders contradicting himself so much over the years.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... thing over and over again and epecting different results.
Logical
(22,457 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... and Sanders can throw no stones
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)You claim she has.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)That was a crazy movie.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)scolds the interviewer for mentioning her changing positions...
Just yuck.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This trip was supposedly a very dangerous trip. So Bill sends his wife and daughter? Really? To get shot at by snipers? And Hillary goes along with it and she takes her daughter to get shot at by snipers. So, yes it's bad she lied. But, it would be even worse if it was true. Bill and Hill putting their daughters life in jeopardy just cuz they can.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Secretary Clinton after watching this then you are a weird strange person.
If she is the Nominee then ya gotta vote for her.
Sometimes it really really really blows to be a democrat with a party that is so republican lite
that the donkeys have now evolved tusk.
There is a reason why we are angry.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)She's beyond just being fake. She is dangerous. A dangerous, incredibly powerful Democrat In Name Only.
If you missed it in the OP video~
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)doesn't sound like a democrat. She is a war mongering fake.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)She was a lawyer, then partner, for a law firm that specialized in defending corporate clients, one of which was Wal-Mart. During her last 6 years in Arkansas, she sat on the Wal-Mart Board of Directors.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Her personal flip-flops and views on gay marriage and other human rights issues, she owns completely, and thank goodness for the internet and the ability for voters to look it all up.
Just something else I think about whenever I see her speak publicly - Bill Clinton, imo, brought about so many destructive policies and changes that she's now having to claim she's against, while not mentioning his role in them or even bringing up his name. That's got to be pretty delicate territory - every interview a potential minefield for her. .
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I'd like to see him apologize & offer viable solutions for ALL the rightwing crap he did in office~
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=8899
And he wanted to cut & privatize social security but thank goddess the Monica scandal put the kabosh on that.
They're both complete frauds.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Kind of amazed he got away with all he did, politically. I think he's smarmy (and that has nothing to do with his sex life).
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)We should take it as short hand for 'consistently false, two faced, double dealing, and in it for me, myself, and I'
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)there's the accurate translation. Clintonian can be hard to parse but with enough practice you can gain competency with the language. Just remember every language is based on the culture it originated in, which is why almost every phrase in Clintonian translates to some form of "fuck you, peasant".
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Lightly braised on both sides. Yikes.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)She's either thinks we are complete idiots, or that she has some sort of special privilege to always be right no matter what she decides to say.
Both beliefs, oddly enough, are common in Grand Ol' Pervert gasbags.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)seafan
(9,387 posts)A big hat tip to DUer BernieforPres2016 for finding this compilation. It should be circulated widely.
Cleaning Up Hillarys Libyan Mess, April 1, 2016 (In totality, her crucial role in what has transpired in Iraq, Haiti, Honduras, Libya, Syria and Ukraine must be addressed.)
Hillary Clinton must face the music and the FBI, March 29, 2016
Clinton not at all worried about FBI probe, April 3, 2016
Bombshell: Clinton Foundation Donors Flight From Justice Aided by Hillary Allies, March 25, 2016
Selling Out Palestinian Rights, March 30, 2016
Greenpeace: Hillary Clinton Should Reject Fossil Fuel Money, April 2, 2016
Clintons Experience: Fact and Fantasy, February 21, 2016 (Update: Sanders Upsets Clinton in Nevada Delegate Count, 03 April 2016)
Hillary Clinton's Support Among Non-White Voters is Dwindling, 1 April 2016
Hillary Clinton's Big Benefactor Has Trade Links with Iran, 4/18/15
Wonder if the Clinton Foundation is on this list:
Massive leak exposes how the wealthy and powerful hide their money, April 3, 2016
It is time to move past these ongoing decades of duplicity, greed and destruction. They have no place in the vision most Americans now have for our future.
boomer55
(592 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Everyone should watch this.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)is fake
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)absolutely boggles my mind. God help us all if she gets selected President of the United States.