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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:16 AM Apr 2016

What's Sanders doing on April 14 that would keep him from accepting Clinton's offer to debate in NY?

Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 23h23 hours ago
What does Sanders have on April 14 that would keep him from accepting our offer to debate in NY that night?


Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 23h23 hours ago
Perhaps Sanders plans to wait til the last minute to file his taxes?
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What's Sanders doing on April 14 that would keep him from accepting Clinton's offer to debate in NY? (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2016 OP
According to Time magazine he has rcvd a permit for a high profile rally in Manhattan that night peacebird Apr 2016 #1
Yup noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #8
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And there's the answer NWCorona Apr 2016 #11
Exactly the reason... Next Question? MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #46
His hair! whistler162 Apr 2016 #2
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What's wrong with Sunday nite for most viewers April 17th? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #3
I'm sure that night does not amuse her. Autumn Apr 2016 #23
Tax day is the 18th this year. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #25
Sitting around eating bon bons and watching videos of his speeches KingFlorez Apr 2016 #4
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Yeah, when's he going to release his taxes? The summary page from 2014 is all we've seen. nt MADem Apr 2016 #5
November 8th. After he is elected just personally piss you off. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #26
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Unbelievable. If Clinton only released her 2014 summary, you'd be calling for her head. MADem Apr 2016 #61
No need to be obtuse Android3.14 Apr 2016 #6
blocked bigtree Apr 2016 #9
Why do you think you creating your own echo chamber bothers other users? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #27
He actually requested the 14th in January and is now playing this for media attention Lucinda Apr 2016 #16
Yes. As if he sat twiddling his thumbs for months waiting for a reply. OH PLEASE HILLARY WE WON'T DO Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #29
Is he so fragile he can't do two events in one day? Lucinda Apr 2016 #31
She's afraid to debate, she knows the more she talks the more people dislike her. Autumn Apr 2016 #24
Bigtree, rude as usual. nt Logical Apr 2016 #7
He wasn't always this way. Sad really. morningfog Apr 2016 #15
So.ethings changed in him SwampG8r Apr 2016 #58
Having a big rally that was planed before Clinton offered that date. Almost like the Clinton Autumn Apr 2016 #10
The date Sanders FIRST proposed for a debate in Brooklyn was April 14, a date they've now rejected bigtree Apr 2016 #13
That was back in Jan. This ain't your first rodeo you know damn good and well Clinton stalled it out Autumn Apr 2016 #14
Sanders has held rallies on the same day as debates before. bigtree Apr 2016 #18
So what. He doesn't have to have a debate at her convenience. Autumn Apr 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Apr 2016 #37
since taxes are due April 18 this year, MBS Apr 2016 #49
So after she turned it down, he set up a rally for that date. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #21
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Central Park or the Garden. Either would be great. Go Bernie!! monmouth4 Apr 2016 #12
Either would be great, the Garden is easy access from surrounding states and no weather ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #32
Dunno since his campaign practically demanded the date back in January. Lucinda Apr 2016 #17
exactly bigtree Apr 2016 #19
I know why! Media attention, and soaking donors cause the mean lady wouldn't debate him Lucinda Apr 2016 #20
+1000 R B Garr Apr 2016 #59
When did Clinton accept the April 14th date? Sanders asked for this at the end of January and last slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #34
Working on his presidential acceptance speech? JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #28
To think. I used to respect you. You know what he is doing. You know. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #30
I'm not sure you do. He wanted media and donations. Lucinda Apr 2016 #33
When did Clinton accept the April 14th date? Sanders asked for this at the end of January and last slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #35
Can Bernie only do one thing a day? The POTUS job is a bit more demanding than that. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #36
Can he do a major rally in Manhattan and debate on the same night? Can Clinton hold a fundraiser and slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Apr 2016 #40
The facts are simple. He asked for this date. It's one of the dates she said were acceptable. Lucinda Apr 2016 #41
Is this question something you choose to ask your un-preferred candidate, or both of them? MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #47
Apparently he's having a rally already scheduled snowy owl Apr 2016 #38
Sanders has held rallies on the same day as debates before bigtree Apr 2016 #43
Maybe he wants the debate to be at a time when lots of people will watch it. Vattel Apr 2016 #50
He has nothing to lose Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #42
Central Park rally jfern Apr 2016 #44
What's Clinton doing that keeps her from honoring her promises? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #45
Hey! MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #48
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Is this the debate where ex Clinton employee George Stephanopoulos B Calm Apr 2016 #56
A big organized rally in Washington Square Park. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #60
Hmm big event in NYC ignorant as expected nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #62

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. According to Time magazine he has rcvd a permit for a high profile rally in Manhattan that night
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

"Sanders received a difficult-to-obtain permit for a high-profile rally in a coveted Manhattan space on the evening of April 14 which has yet to be publicly announced."

http://time.com/4280032/democratic-debate-new-york-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-negotiations/

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. Unbelievable. If Clinton only released her 2014 summary, you'd be calling for her head.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016
Luminous Animal
26. November 8th. After he is elected just personally piss you off.
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
6. No need to be obtuse
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

It makes you look pretty ignorant.

Clinton picks dates that reduce viewers, and enhance bias. The day before taxes are due is such a date.

She wants to debate about as much as the Marlboro Man wants a lung x-ray.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
29. Yes. As if he sat twiddling his thumbs for months waiting for a reply. OH PLEASE HILLARY WE WON'T DO
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

A THING UNTIL WE HEAR BACK FROM YOU.

Hello? She didn't respond so the campaign made other plans.

Autumn

(45,048 posts)
24. She's afraid to debate, she knows the more she talks the more people dislike her.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

The thought of losing this election terrifies her.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
58. So.ethings changed in him
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:00 AM
Apr 2016

He used to be a positive force here and omalleys biggest advocate but what he has been doi g lately makes me wonder if there is something terrible.going on irl and he is venting it here.
Its the opposite of the poster i respected once.

Autumn

(45,048 posts)
10. Having a big rally that was planed before Clinton offered that date. Almost like the Clinton
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

campaign offered that date on purpose so they could complain about Bernie not accepting it. But that would be a sleazy thing to do so I'm sure the Clinton campaign wou...
oh yeah they would in a heart beat.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
13. The date Sanders FIRST proposed for a debate in Brooklyn was April 14, a date they've now rejected
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016
Jennifer Epstein @jeneps

The date the Sanders campaign first proposed for a debate in Brooklyn was April 14, a date they've now turned down https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-

Autumn

(45,048 posts)
14. That was back in Jan. This ain't your first rodeo you know damn good and well Clinton stalled it out
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

campaigns don't sit there with an open date. You bet your ass they rejected it. He's got better things to do than play her games.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
18. Sanders has held rallies on the same day as debates before.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016
Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 4h4 hours ago

Sanders has held rallies on the same day as debates before. There is no good reason not to keep to the date he initially proposed.


Autumn

(45,048 posts)
22. So what. He doesn't have to have a debate at her convenience.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016
There was no good reason for her to play her little la de da I'm the front runner and you will do what I want game. Fuck that shit, it just shows one of her worst character flaws that makes people dislike her so much.

Response to bigtree (Reply #18)

MBS

(9,688 posts)
49. since taxes are due April 18 this year,
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:51 AM
Apr 2016

people will be finishing their taxes frantically on Sunday, April 17, Bernie's preferred debate date.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. So after she turned it down, he set up a rally for that date.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016
In the latest, strange chapter of the posturing in advance of the critical Empire State primary on April 19, Clinton said she’s pencilled in an April 14 match-up organized by NY1 News and CNN.
“I will be there,” Clinton told NY1. “I think you’ve penciled it in for the 14th [of April]. I’ll be there.”

But Sanders — who has been prodding the Democratic frontrunner for a New York face-off — said he’s agreed to a Sunday April 10 debate with NBC News.

His campaign blasted Clinton for “disingenuously” booking an April 14 date when she knows the Vermont senator “already had locked in a park permit for a major rally in New York City,” spokesman Michael Briggs said.


http://nypost.com/2016/04/03/clinton-sanders-eye-big-apple-debate/

A coveted park rally in Manhatten? Central Park? That will be awesome, if the weather is good.

Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #21)

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
32. Either would be great, the Garden is easy access from surrounding states and no weather ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:50 PM
Apr 2016

to worry about, then again just a short subway ride north from Penn Station to Central Park.

The article stated a hard to secure permit???

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
17. Dunno since his campaign practically demanded the date back in January.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-on-debates/

JANUARY 30, 2016

DES MOINES, Iowa – Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, issued the following statement Saturday on negotiations over additional debates:

“After refusing for months to participate in more debates, Secretary Clinton requested that the Democratic National Committee rules be changed and that a new debate take place in New Hampshire next week. We agreed pending an agreement on three future debates in March, April and May. Unfortunately, the Clinton campaign has not accepted debates we proposed on March 3 in Michigan and April 14 in New York. They apparently agreed to May 24 in California. The Clinton campaign, after not accepting Michigan, now says they want it. We are pleased to do it on March 3 before the Michigan primary provided the Clinton campaign will agree to Brooklyn, New York, on April 14. Why won’t they debate in Brooklyn? What’s the matter with Brooklyn?”

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
19. exactly
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016
Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 6h6 hours ago

Sen Sanders requested a debate in Brooklyn on April 14. We have agreed to a debate in Brooklyn on April 14. Not sure what the issue is.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
20. I know why! Media attention, and soaking donors cause the mean lady wouldn't debate him
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

even though they were actually in negotiations for the debate when they claimed she wouldn't debate him. More shady campaign behavior.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
59. +1000
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

He just can't help himself playing the victim. His perpetual victim status is obviously good for fund raising.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
34. When did Clinton accept the April 14th date? Sanders asked for this at the end of January and last
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

week a date still had not been finalized which is why the Sander's campaign last week went public about the April debate after two months of behind the scenes talks.

So I ask again when did the Clinton campaign accept the April 14th debate? Was it after the Sanders campaign had secured a difficult permit for a rally in Manhattan and after not having a commitment from the Clinton campaign.

The Clinton campaign would not play that game, or would they?





Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
33. I'm not sure you do. He wanted media and donations.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:51 PM
Apr 2016

He got them both. They were already negotiating the debate time and place when he claimed she wouldn't debate him.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
35. When did Clinton accept the April 14th date? Sanders asked for this at the end of January and last
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

week a date still had not been finalized which is why the Sander's campaign last week went public about the April debate after two months of behind the scenes talks.

So I ask again when did the Clinton campaign accept the April 14th debate? Was it after the Sanders campaign had secured a difficult permit for a rally in Manhattan and after not having a commitment from the Clinton campaign.

The Clinton campaign would not play that game, or would they?




slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
39. Can he do a major rally in Manhattan and debate on the same night? Can Clinton hold a fundraiser and
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

debate at the same time?

Response to Lucinda (Reply #36)

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
41. The facts are simple. He asked for this date. It's one of the dates she said were acceptable.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

They often do other events on the same day they debate. This isn't complicated.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. Is this question something you choose to ask your un-preferred candidate, or both of them?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:50 AM
Apr 2016

It's a little unclear at this point why you would only point to one person who has since the first suggestion has taken permits out for the event in NY.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
43. Sanders has held rallies on the same day as debates before
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:45 AM
Apr 2016
Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 10h10 hours ago
Sanders has held rallies on the same day as debates before. There is no good reason not to keep to the date he initially proposed.


Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 6h6 hours ago
Sen Sanders requested a debate in Brooklyn on April 14. We have agreed to a debate in Brooklyn on April 14. Not sure what the issue is.
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
50. Maybe he wants the debate to be at a time when lots of people will watch it.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:08 AM
Apr 2016

If the rally is already scheduled to be during prime time TV hours, that would create a conflict. I am just speculating, though, because I don't know what time the rally is scheduled for.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
42. He has nothing to lose
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:55 AM
Apr 2016

at this point, trailing in both delegates and the popular vote. It would be dumb of him to turn down another debate now.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
45. What's Clinton doing that keeps her from honoring her promises?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:31 AM
Apr 2016

Like releasing transcripts?

Like actually having those extra debates? She had plenty of offers from Sanders campaign, and she ows him for agreeing to the NH debate.

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