Fossil fuels - Sanders 4 100ths of 1%, Clinton 15 100ths of 1% of total donations.

[LAS14]

"Totally bogus charge against Hillary Clinton" says Mark Shields.

Sorry that I couldn't paste "URL at current time". It defaults to the start, but go to 39:17 for the Democratic discussion.

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[GeorgiaPeanuts]

1. That is a lie...

Hillary Clinton has SuperPacs and Dark Money groups... Did you include donations to those?

She also has her Clinton Foundation did you include all the millions that oil companies have donated to that?

[Arneoker]

4. You do know that a politician doesn't control these PACs?

I don't often agree with Ted Cruz, but he was right that Trump couldn't pin that ad showing Melania on him. Same thing applies here.

The Clinton Foundation pushes charitable causes, and is no way a PAC.

[revbones]

52. Yeah, there's no backchannel coordination at all... rofl nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

54. lol

need a bridge?

[George II]

41. You really should read up on campaign finance laws. It would be very helpful.

[grossproffit]

42. Some here suffer from CDS.

Clinton derangement syndrome.

[George II]

43. I hear that's very similar to what many suffered right after Jan 20, 2009 - ODS. The cure is.....

.........doing a great job as President, which I'm sure Clinton will do from day 1.

[KittyWampus]

44. You do know that Sanders has SuperPacs & Dark Money too. LOL!

Since you include the Clinton Foundation how about all that money Jane Sanders has squirreled away somewheres.

When will the Sanders release more of their tax information. They make/made WAY more money than they show in last years short form.

[TM99]

53. Oh fucking horseshit.

Now y'all are just flinging lies about his wife at the wall and hoping it will stick.

WTF?!

[DemocracyDirect]

2. Did Hillary lose her SuperPACs?

You guys are trying to a use a small technicality to hide a lie ...

... when that lie is an elephant in the room.

[Recursion]

6. Candidates don't "have" super PACs

It's illegal for them to try to tell them what to do

[think]

8. Trevor Potter, Jon Stewart, and Steven Colbert had a great series on that....

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/3pwzi5/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-colbert-super-pac---not-coordinating-with-stephen-colbert

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

9. More obfuscating... You know exactly what is implied... nt

[BlueMTexpat]

22. What we are saying is that

SBS knows exactly what he is saying and that what he is saying is a lie.

You have to try to deflect with your SuperPACS remarks, of course. But that begs the question. If there is any obfuscation, deflection, or failure to recognize what is happening here, it is not coming from stating facts about donations to the SBS and HRC campaigns.

Period. But please proceed.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Do you honestly not understand how this works?

Or is it just argue anything never surrender?

[Recursion]

13. I clearly do, unlike 99% of the board

It is illegal for Clinton to try to tell Priorities what to do or not to do. Do you at least acknowledge that very basic fact?

[Warren Stupidity]

14. So it is option b

[immoderate]

28. Do you think a person as smart as Hillary can work around that?

Hand signals?

--imm

[dreamnightwind]

50. I thought they found an internet loophole for coordination and were exploiting it ???

[AzDar]

26. She does a LOT of illegal shit...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/

[Recursion]

29. You really believe that, don't you?

Amazing what 25 years of right-wing smears will do

[AzDar]

32. Amazing what 25+ years of Lying, Cheating and Stealing will do to your 'reputation'...

[Koinos]

46. Has the Sanders campaign responded to the FEC about the unreported ten million dollars yet?

Just curious:

https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/new-fec-tells-bernie-2016-to-account-for-10m/

Full text of the letter from the FEC to Bernie's campaign can be found here:
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf

[DemocracyDirect]

60. Oh that's very naive.

Please continue to believe that SuperPACs don't work with the candidate in many ways.

Citizens United vs Government thanks you.

[Recursion]

61. The case that allowed Super PACs was speechnow.org, not Citizens United

Again, pretty basic stuff for people who claim to care about this

[DemocracyDirect]

62. So naive and condescending?

Citizens United vs FEC and Speechnow.org vs FEC both thank you

SuperPACs are working on behalf of the candidate they support even if there is no legal control and we all know that they co-ordinate strategies and have found loopholes like the Internet loophole.

I've seen David Brock on CNN a lot in the last day and he sounds like he is in lock step with the Clinton campaign.

[Recursion]

63. Really? Cause it sounds to me like he's gone pretty far off the reservation (nt)

[DemocracyDirect]

64. Naive, condescending and ironic

I don't even know what you are talking about now.

[Arneoker]

3. Of course

Now some will reply, "What about the oil lobbyists, and their bundling?" What about them? I suspect most of the "oil lobbyists" are typical K Street, hired gun lobbyists, who will work for whomever. Perhaps not the people a progressive feels swell about associating with, but their support doesn't indicate that the politician benefitting is a pawn of Big Oil.

As is so often the case, I think that there is lot less here that the hype would seem to indicate.

[Dem2]

5. "Totally bogus charge against Hillary Clinton"

The full sentence is clearer.

[Adrahil]

7. These are the kind of "artful smears" Hillary was talking about.

It's making lose respect for people I really WANT to respect.

[cosmicone]

10. Bernie Sanders makes me puke. n/t

[Armstead]

12. If so WHY NOT just accept the Greenpeace pledge?

Won't make a dent in her campaign if its is so insignificant?

[Arneoker]

15. Why even care?

Bottom line, Hillary is 99.9% certain to be much better on climate change than Trumpo the Clown or ly'in Ted. And I believe that she is considerably likelier to get some real results than Sanders, whose crusades would be countered powerful, and no less fervent, counter-crusades, with the fence-sitters reluctant to go on board with Bernie.

[Armstead]

16. Because it is is an example of why nothing positive happens in DC

Politicians promises inevitably get sucked down the rathole of corporate influence. If tghat were not the case, we'd already have been much more proactive on making progress.

Bernie at least is cutting off thecorruption at the source.

That's why it matters.

[Arneoker]

18. That's awfully naive

You really think Bernie getting into the WH means that the big corporations are going to lose their considerable influence? The only realistic hope, for the next four to eight years, is that a President might incrementally minimize it. Or at least hold the line. (Now maybe those could be big increments, but I wouldn't count on it.)

It's so much more than campaign contributions. Think about it.

[Armstead]

20. It's a step in the right direction

And if the Democratic Party would end its recto-cranial inversion of the last 35 years, it would be a huge step

[Arneoker]

19. Even with all of these obstacles progress can be made

You might check with one of the millions of those who previously lacked health insurance, for example. (Not saying that ACA can't be improved upon, obviously it can.)

[Recursion]

30. What defeatist bullshit. You probably think "nothing good" has happened in the past 8 years, too

I wish I found that surprising, but the fact is I don't.

[Armstead]

33. The last 8 years have been a very mixed bag

Much more could have been accomplished -- or at least the stage set for much more, if the Democrats had weaned themselves from the corporate straight-jacket and more aggressively fought from a clearly liberal perspective.

[Recursion]

34. Obama's administration has been more successful and consequential than Reagan's or LBJ's

or WJC's or any two terms of FDR's.

The blinders alleged progressives put on to refuse to simply admit that are staggering.

[KittyWampus]

45. Why doesn't Sanders? He's gotten more money from Oil/Gas than Trump.

[Armstead]

49. He has taken that pledge

[LAS14]

17. Campaigns don't "accept money from...PACs"

Nor, as someone said above, do they HAVE PACs.

[cosmicone]

21. Sanders needs to walk back the vitriol now and apologize. n/t

[uponit7771]

23. Another Sanders artful smear, if he put as much time into campaign strategy as he did sophistry then

Thus would be closer

[MADem]

24. I saw that last night--he basically called the guy a massive honking liar.

It seems like they're getting desperate in the final days. Any old falsehood to generate ire, even if it's just not true. Sad. It looks like they're going out on a very low and ugly note.

[riversedge]

25. Thank you

[mcar]

27. K&R

[HillareeeHillaraah]

31. K&R

[kstewart33]

35. K&R.

[Alfresco]

36. K&R

[TheBlackAdder]

37. It's all in the packaging, like in most advertisements. While small, HRC is 375% more than SBS. nt

[betsuni]

38. Thank you!

Very useful.

[Nonhlanhla]

39. K & R

[SharonClark]

40. K&R

[Scuba]

47. You forgot the superpacs supporting her, and why big oil donates to them. Also her "charity."

[DemonGoddess]

48. K&R!

[dreamnightwind]

51. $4.5 million is what I heard

And don't tell me she and her staff aren't coordinating directly with the SuperPAC's. To ignore the SuperPAC money is entirely disingenuous.

[LAS14]

56. I will tell you they're not co-ordinating. It's illegal...

... and the far left and far right are both out for blood to find any infraction they can. They haven't found it because it isn't there.

[dreamnightwind]

58. Sorry I don't believe you. - eom

[lostnfound]

59. It doesn't matter that they are not coordinating. The support still exists.

The point isn't whether or not the superpac-supported ads coordinate or even whether they succeed in helping her win the election.
These lobbyists contribute to help specific candidates win because they believe those candidates are more likely to help their cause.
So WHY do they believe that she would help their cause?

[Gothmog]

55. Great post

[SunSeeker]

57. Sanders' ramped up lies about Hillary show his desperation.

He appears to want to defeat her at all cost and has forgotten about the issues.