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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:48 PM Apr 2016

A Dark Turn For Bernie Sanders's Campaign

There’s also the much bigger question of why he is doing this. Sanders likes to tell his supporters that he has the momentum to win the Democratic nomination. But the simple fact is that it would take a miracle for Sanders to overtake Clinton’s wide delegate lead. As campaign stat guru Nate Silver pointed out recently, even in the most optimistic scenario for Sanders, he would still likely fall short.

While I understand the need to maintain a brave face for his supporters, Sanders is doing them and the party he wants to represent no favors not just by misleading them about his chances, but by increasing their dislike of Clinton. Sanders has said on more than one occasion that he thinks Clinton “on her worst day” would be an “infinitely better candidate and president than the Republican candidate on his best day.” I have no doubt that he believes this. Perhaps he should start acting like it.



https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/01/dark-turn-for-sanders-campaign/iQXKhLKcLadSzNhbxo2WOI/story.html
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A Dark Turn For Bernie Sanders's Campaign (Original Post) bravenak Apr 2016 OP
Why would he drop out when he just outraised her almost 2-to-1 in March and... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #1
She has over two million more votes for that money. bravenak Apr 2016 #9
Well what is the problem with letting all the states have their say for the nominee? GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #12
They can vote bravenak Apr 2016 #15
Simple Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #99
Isn't it great to see the "Money is buying elections" candidate spend more money and still lose? CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #33
It's hilarious bravenak Apr 2016 #34
It would be ironic timmymoff Apr 2016 #51
Bada boom...nailed it Sheepshank Apr 2016 #68
Bernie just won 7 out of 8 state primary elections. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #88
The majority of those were caucus states that the Clinton campaign concluded their resources were politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #96
The Democratic Party's primary election season includes both state primaries AND caucuses. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #97
So true..He is spending money like it grows on trees...N/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #89
Because they don't count caucuses.... Loudestlib Apr 2016 #71
Some caucuses report popular vote numbers. MineralMan Apr 2016 #85
caucuses are small Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #100
Does that two million number include caucuses? DamnYankeeInHouston Apr 2016 #86
The article doesn't say that he should drop out oberliner Apr 2016 #76
The real subtext is that he shouldn't try to win karynnj Apr 2016 #79
We don't count dollars Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #98
That's Boston Globe's Opinion. He's going to beat Hillary. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #2
Ha bravenak Apr 2016 #13
Are you sure you don't mean the Boston Hearald? sheshe2 Apr 2016 #72
No he won't Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #101
At least this is not from BNR or other less respectable places nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #3
THIS IS A TOTAL BULLSHIT OP! Half The Votes Are Left! Yes The TRUTH On CLinton is FINALLY CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #4
I love Rosario Dawson bravenak Apr 2016 #6
Not as much as me. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #24
I wouldn't be too sure bravenak Apr 2016 #27
And she has a net worth of 16 million dollars. onehandle Apr 2016 #29
We could be oligarchs together!!! bravenak Apr 2016 #30
Madame bravenak is on record here at DU saying she does not give one shit about Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #31
Acting! onehandle Apr 2016 #16
any one who listens to his stump speeches knows tbis is bunk Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #5
Already posted and we're not going anywhere so y'all should just quit. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #7
I'll quit when he does. bravenak Apr 2016 #10
I would just love to see a nice post about your candidate. Autumn Apr 2016 #22
Me too. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #35
I would love to see a nice post about sheshe2 Apr 2016 #38
Ditto she. Same as in our group, in fact got an alert from one of your members earlier. Autumn Apr 2016 #40
Good for you, don't open the crap I post. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #44
You want I should be outraged and condemn what offends you and yours? Autumn Apr 2016 #82
Michael A Cohen is a Hillary Clinton propogandist. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #92
Some wonder why people would support a candidate (Clinton) that has always been against rhett o rick Apr 2016 #45
You'll quit when he's the presumptive nominee shawn703 Apr 2016 #107
Oh my Unicorn Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #67
Laughable HERVEPA Apr 2016 #8
We are NOT mislead, not one little bit. We're not stupid either. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #11
I am perfectly fine with that bravenak Apr 2016 #17
I am fine with that too! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #18
If he ends his campaign on June 8, will he have misled you? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19
Is that when the Convention starts? CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #26
That is the day after California, when about 99% of delegates have been chosen. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #50
I can't read his mind--no idea what he'll do then. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #56
I agree with that. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #60
Time will tell what Bernie will do...n/t CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #64
The what is this... DeGreg Apr 2016 #84
Why do you insist on asking questions? Do you have a single thought of your own? rhett o rick Apr 2016 #46
Sadly, sheshe2 Apr 2016 #43
It's funny (not hahaha) but we Sanders folk feel we've been persecuted too... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #47
Thanks for what you said, Peggy. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #59
And many Sanders folk have left too...for very similar reasons. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #63
He's not gonna quit whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #14
Not giving up is a "dark turn"? LOL. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #20
I know, right? bravenak Apr 2016 #23
If Hillary is such a lock -- why care if Sanders stays in? She should just be gaining Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #21
We playing this out to the end, because it is not over and we know what you are doing... tokenlib Apr 2016 #25
If she can't handle Bernie, how in the heck will she be able to withstand Trump? Skwmom Apr 2016 #28
The sad truth is... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #32
More damage to the Sanders Brand than to Clinton, though. The vetting has begun, and he's failing CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #37
So you are saying the "press" doesn't like him? Not surprised as they are owned by the fucking rhett o rick Apr 2016 #48
This is why I am now... Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #103
Why would he drop out when he's not even mathematically eliminated? HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #36
Mrs Clinton will HAVE to address issues from the millions of voters who voted primary for Sanders. Sunlei Apr 2016 #39
And what is the point Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #102
He works hard. for the money. brags about it. bernie for senate 2018 will be flush nt msongs Apr 2016 #41
He talks about it as much as Donald mentions himself bravenak Apr 2016 #42
We are fighting for those struggling for jobs, for food, for health care, for freedoms rhett o rick Apr 2016 #49
Posting on DU is not fighting bravenak Apr 2016 #52
yup, this should be a thread in itself JI7 Apr 2016 #55
I should write it but... bravenak Apr 2016 #58
Well. Now we're getting somewhere. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #65
Nice! So true. nt revbones Apr 2016 #106
I'm able to handle ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you can throw my way. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #75
Yea, and then we can fight about it! wildeyed Apr 2016 #95
Really? Are you just figuring that out? The Clinton/Corp Media that you seem to now embrace, rhett o rick Apr 2016 #83
there is a reason for someone else to run DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #53
Given the stacked deck Hillary and Co. set up Red Oak Apr 2016 #54
Oh, I have such a sad for you, delrem Apr 2016 #57
I think this is the part you don't understand. Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #61
bernie 3hummingbirds Apr 2016 #62
One can think that HRC is corrupted and still think she would be better than any GOP candidate. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #66
Hey, bravenak! Nedsdag Apr 2016 #69
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #70
Please stop telling lies. Kentonio Apr 2016 #87
And they expect us to just ignore it and give ghem our votes. SwampG8r Apr 2016 #94
I'll just call that a libertarian owned/informed Boston Globe dirty trick April Fools Day joke. Todays_Illusion Apr 2016 #73
BS and his surrogates are whipping his fans into a feeding frenzy for Hillary hate and @ President Cha Apr 2016 #74
GO Bernie! So happy and grateful we finally have a candidate who represents the 99% exclusively! N nc4bo Apr 2016 #77
Here's another quote from that article DebDoo Apr 2016 #78
Well, I agree with your post's title. Vinca Apr 2016 #80
Remember how she refused to drop out when she lost to Obama? mainer Apr 2016 #81
Of course Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #105
Such turns of phrase! One might even think the author is the same Michael A Cohen who wrote speeches Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #90
I expected him to stay in the race. wildeyed Apr 2016 #91
Opinions like this infuriate me. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #93
Those of us in "the party" that are glad someone finally represents us, say keep going brewens Apr 2016 #104
If good enough for Clinton why not good enough for Sanders? snowy owl Apr 2016 #108
"In Sanders’ world, everyone but him and his supporters are tainted." Cowpunk Apr 2016 #109
I like this editorial Gothmog Apr 2016 #110
Bernie is on a path to a scorched earth strategy. Susan Sarandon oasis Apr 2016 #111
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
1. Why would he drop out when he just outraised her almost 2-to-1 in March and...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

Has outraised her in total fundraising to campaign committees!

He has raised 183.8 Million, She has Raised 183.628 Million.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
12. Well what is the problem with letting all the states have their say for the nominee?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

If so certain Hillarians are that she has this wrapped up, why cower in fear at the prospect of the nomination going all the way to the convention?

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
99. Simple
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

It is a waste of time and money that could better be spent on the general...the whole idea is to beat the GOP not beat the crap out of Democrats.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
33. Isn't it great to see the "Money is buying elections" candidate spend more money and still lose?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

I know I'm enjoying the irony.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
51. It would be ironic
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

if you leave put the fact that he isn't using super pacs and not having dinners with the clooneys at 335,000 a plate, but you knew that, you were just being silly in your support for hilly.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
88. Bernie just won 7 out of 8 state primary elections.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:10 PM
Apr 2016

So, I don't know how you define irony, but that doesn't seem to fit the definition.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
96. The majority of those were caucus states that the Clinton campaign concluded their resources were
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

better spent elsewhere. So tell the truth. Those were not primaries state.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
97. The Democratic Party's primary election season includes both state primaries AND caucuses.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

So, if Hillary didn't spend the resources in those states, that's her fault.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
76. The article doesn't say that he should drop out
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:48 AM
Apr 2016

Just that he should go back to focusing on the issues themselves like he did at the beginning.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
79. The real subtext is that he shouldn't try to win
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

He should not point out differences in his long held positions and her ever changing ones. He should not counter her more hawkish than Obama foreign policy with a slightly more dovish one.

He should on any HRC negative stay silent or better yet dismiss it as he did the emails. He should do that even as HRC herself says he is a one issue candidate and implies he cates about nothing else.

He also is held responsible for anything said by not just his official surrogates, but anyone said to be his supporter and even people not supporting him, but against HRC. On the other hand, people are supposed to ignore HRC hatchetman, David Brock. If Bernie is now turning to the dark side, which I do not believe, by the same standards the HRC went there months ago.

The most remarkable thing to me about the present moment is that HRC with tremendous party support and the Lion's share of mainstream media's support looks so angry when there is any pushback, whether a reporter, asking a tough question, or a protester. From all past races I have watched, going back to JFK, where I understood none of the issues, I don't think I have seen as angry and unhappy a winner.

Looking at HRC and Bernie, without knowing she is something like 250 pledged delegates ahead. Yet, their demeanors make sense. HRC expected no competition and already having wrapped up this nomination by now. As Bernie said few who saw his announcement on the lake expected him to still be in.

I would not be surprised if Democratic PTB told Bernie to drop out after the 5 state loss just as the calendar was reaching his best states. There has been a change in tone with screeds like this. In fairness, many probably told HRC to concede before the end last time ... and like Bernie she did not before all the voting was over.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
4. THIS IS A TOTAL BULLSHIT OP! Half The Votes Are Left! Yes The TRUTH On CLinton is FINALLY
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

coming out to a broader audience and THAT IS A POSITIVE Development!
Bernie Quit... F*** NO! We are going to WIN this thing...

Listen to Rosario Dawson in New York!

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
31. Madame bravenak is on record here at DU saying she does not give one shit about
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

what non-Clinton supporters might think (while nevertheless continuing with the (usually, ill-judged) propaganda bombardment.)

One might suspect, however, that the factor you indicate might, as is clearly the case as regards her preferred candidate, um, what is the verb I am looking for, um, influence her position and her policies going forward.

¿How much did you say?

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
5. any one who listens to his stump speeches knows tbis is bunk
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

He's been hitting her in every speech, and rightly so.

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
22. I would just love to see a nice post about your candidate.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not going to hold my breath though.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
38. I would love to see a nice post about
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

our candidate not swarmed stalked and hidden. Ya can't have it both ways.

You all got your wish, for the most part we are gone. We went elsewhere 'cause we were alert stalked off the board. That is a fact.

You come into our safe haven and stalk us for hides. I have 4 there. One was an appreciation thread for a member who was stalked. I got a hide.

So Autumn, I will be happy to give you plenty of links about how awesome she is, yet won't do it here to be swarmed. You want facts, I have plenty, yet will not waste by breath here. This place has become an echo chamber.

I have much more to say, yet I can no longer say it here. DU/BU is no longer about free speech unless you support BS.

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
40. Ditto she. Same as in our group, in fact got an alert from one of your members earlier.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

One of your members got a hide on me in my group and then sent me a lovely message bragging about it, suggesting I have a lovely Hillary day. However some Hillary supporters never post about Hillary. Only post about Bernie. I used to wonder why but but then someone posted a PM .
Sorry she, I never open your OPs so I would miss any links you posted. Haven't been interested since the not good enough crap.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
44. Good for you, don't open the crap I post.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

I am posting pro Obama OPs. I post pro AA posts. I post pro women Ops.

I am out of here for the most part.

You don't post to me for the not good enough post. Well, I sure as hell hope you condemned the brick post. Oh, and the one about William769. Advocating sexual violence against a woman and a member of LGBT is not acceptable to me. You condemned those, correct?

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
82. You want I should be outraged and condemn what offends you and yours?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

Where were you on all the nasty things said and directed toward Bernie and Bernie supporters? I'll tell you where, cheering it on. Not good enough she. Not good enough.

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
92. Michael A Cohen is a Hillary Clinton propogandist.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

Look at his twitter.

He used to be a speech writer in the State Department.

One can find nasty stuff he wrote about POTUS Obama in 2008.

He has a long history with the Clintons.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. Some wonder why people would support a candidate (Clinton) that has always been against
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

their best interests. It's authoritarian adulation. Clinton has never been nice to the AA community. Read below what Black Lives Matter thinks about Clinton. Do you support her positions on fracking, the TPP, the Patriot Act, arctic drilling, Prisons For Profits?

Authoritarian adulation.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
11. We are NOT mislead, not one little bit. We're not stupid either.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is doing what he said he would do--take it all the way to the Convention.

And we're there with him.

None of us are quitters.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
26. Is that when the Convention starts?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016

If he ends it then, at the start of the Convention, then I would say no, he has not misled us.

So what?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
50. That is the day after California, when about 99% of delegates have been chosen.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

At that point, if (as is very likely to be the case), Hillary Clinton has a majority of all pledged delegates AND a majority of the superdelegates, do you think he should concede or spend his time lobbying all of the superdelegates to get them to switch until the convention in July?

It seems very obvious that if he has lost the primary voting, he would not contest the nomination at the convention. Clinton did not contest the convention in 2008.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
56. I can't read his mind--no idea what he'll do then.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure though that he would not contest it if he'd lost the primary voting.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
60. I agree with that.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

That would be the responsible thing to do.

But that would not be fighting until the convention.

 

DeGreg

(72 posts)
84. The what is this...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

Let the process play out. There are 2 candidates trying to win one spot. Regardless of the score, we play the full nine innings. And we'll find out the winner in the end.

Would you like baseball to change the rules and have games stopped prematurely because one team starts scoring runs, causing the other team to worry about the possibility of losing? It's just the kind of argument that reveals the fear that your candidate––Hillary––could lose to Bernie, should the big-mo continue.

This argument is motivated by the same thing that causes folks to suggest that Democrats must vote for the Democrat (or the right kind of Democrat) -- even when the Democrat is no longer a Democrat (present case providing the example). IMHO, being against voting your conscience is always wrong. Voting your conscience is never a bad thing; the bad thing is too many people don't have a conscience at all or have had their conscience scared out of them by "realists" who like THE WAY THINGS ARE and want them to stay that way (or by people so full of fear that they can't make a vote based on a positive vision of the future, as opposed basing your vote on a negative vision of the future).

People want to talk about doing what's right for the party--that's crap–-if that includes voting against my conscience or voting for a candidate with a shady conscience, then, I'm out. I say Democrats with a conscience need to spread their good conscience instead of encouraging others to compromise theirs.

So folks, shut up about when Bernie or Hillary might unite the party––we aint there yet (and your fear is quite pungent).

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
43. Sadly,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

We are no longer allowed an opinion here.

Message received, we are no longer welcome. We post. We get a hide.

The Hill group is stalked. I did an OP for a member that was abused on a thread, started by a troll that is now gone. She was abused and it went to the top of the page .RECed. That is not how we treat our own. My Op was hidden. Another troll lied about a thread, I got a hide and then they were banned shortly after. Ya want the filth in the links. I will send them to you if you wish Peggy. One was the brick post that stood and a DU jury gave me the hide for mentioning it. It was so very ugly and it was left. tears for every woman that was abused in their life. We are the victim and not the enemy.

I may post more on other sites, yet I am not a quitter either. I will not alow you all to run us off a Democratic board, well it use to be one.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
47. It's funny (not hahaha) but we Sanders folk feel we've been persecuted too...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:42 AM
Apr 2016

These things should not be happening to either group.

I am sorry that things have gotten so ugly.

You are not the enemy, not as far as I'm concerned anyway.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
59. Thanks for what you said, Peggy.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:58 AM
Apr 2016

Yet Sanders peeps feeling abused when they own the board and jury is silly. We have left, many will never return. The only reason I can post is Skinners Amnesty. WE are juried off this board in large numbers. I have had offensive comments from jurors. One wanted to punch me in the face.

This place is ugly.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
63. And many Sanders folk have left too...for very similar reasons.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:01 AM
Apr 2016

We feel that since Skinner is pro-Hillary, then we are endangered. We really feel that way.

And remember that you can alert on jury results, esp. when you've been abused. You do have recourse.

We feel the ugliness too.

I hope that once we have a nominee, whoever it is, that things will get better.

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
21. If Hillary is such a lock -- why care if Sanders stays in? She should just be gaining
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

Strength and her favor ability rating should be soaring.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
25. We playing this out to the end, because it is not over and we know what you are doing...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

The Third Way DNC can FUCK OFF! And the more you Clinton supporters try to shut the door, the more you push people away to either stay home or to get better acquainted with Jill. So for the well being of the Democratic Party, Stop the dead horse abuse. Stop threatening people with Trump and Cruz. Just Stop!

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
32. The sad truth is...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

...he began by running against "Big Money Wall Street Corruption" - then, he gave it the face of Hillary Clinton. If he thought it out that way, it's quite masterful. Many won't ever vote for her, which is a credit to the "dark" campaign noted in the OP. He made her the enemy, not simply a political opponent. I still think she'll win, but there will be permanent damage.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
37. More damage to the Sanders Brand than to Clinton, though. The vetting has begun, and he's failing
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

at nearly every turn. The press isn't satisfied with the same old blather, and even many of his friendly media surrogates are openly questioning his tactics and his sincerity to the campaign he pledged to run, which they're finally admitting is not the one he's currently operating.

-His criticism of Clinton's donations from energy industry employees has backfired because he has to answer for his own similar donations.
-His missing tax returns are becoming an issue as the press stops buying the excuse of the summary form he released.
-His financial reporting exposes how many millions of his small donations he's spent to buy online marketing, which explains the massive presence of his internet troll army.

All the momentum in the world isn't going to matter once the wheels fall off.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
48. So you are saying the "press" doesn't like him? Not surprised as they are owned by the fucking
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

oligarchy that is trying to push Clinton into the WH.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
103. This is why I am now...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:34 PM
Apr 2016

sorry I voted for him in Ohio...what he has done is unforgivable. He has put the entire country at risk and for what? His ego?

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
36. Why would he drop out when he's not even mathematically eliminated?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

I would be extremely disappointed not to have the opportunity to cast my vote for Bernie on June 7th.

Not to mention my guess is HRC would pivot back to the right to suit her corporate masters. No thanks!
Bernie's platform needs to be carried all the way to the convention and hopefully beyond.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
39. Mrs Clinton will HAVE to address issues from the millions of voters who voted primary for Sanders.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

Those issues Sanders has spoke of for decades, this is his time to make those important issues- National Issues. Sanders can put a number to how many American voters support his policies vs Mrs. Clintons policies.

I expect Sanders to 'stick it out' through our entire Primary process. Every voter in every state will have their chance to vote for their primary choice. Neither of them are quitters.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
102. And what is the point
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

Time and money should be spent on the general and bringing the party together...waste of time and endangers the entire election.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. We are fighting for those struggling for jobs, for food, for health care, for freedoms
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

from getting killed in Clinton wars. What are you fighting for? More wealth for the Clintons? More wealth for Goldman-Sachs?

Elect Clinton and kiss Social Security goodbye, not that you care. The wealth of the Clinton Aristocracy is most important.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
65. Well. Now we're getting somewhere.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:03 AM
Apr 2016

You admit that what you tell is "shit."

People just cannot handle me telling them shit


Good first step!

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
95. Yea, and then we can fight about it!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016


This one will go down in history as The Bern Offensive of GDP, know for brutal hand-to-hand combat, senseless slaughter of innocents, and rampant trench mouth infections. People will be digging up the bones of lost combatants for decades.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
83. Really? Are you just figuring that out? The Clinton/Corp Media that you seem to now embrace,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

does a terrible job of televising the revolution. But one gets a glimpse via social media and the internets. More than one million people have turned out to root Sen Sanders on in stadiums all across this country. Not that one would know if they had their head up the corp-media. Millions of dollars have been donated to his campaign by ordinary people that normally do not support what they see as a corrupt culture in which Clinton has prospered while we have suffered. I see the suffering on a daily basis and it's from the greed of the Clinton Class.

Once again, there are two sides to this class war and for some strange reason that you can't or won't explain, you side with the Ruling Class. The Class that brought us 2.2 million citizens in prisons, a war that killed a million innocent Iraqi's and thousands of our troops. For money. For greed. They have brought us 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty. Yet you side with them. The Clinton Class are out to amass as much money as they can at the expense of the lower classes.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
53. there is a reason for someone else to run
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016

Namely, to give Hillary the room she needs to move left, as she did on the TPP and the KXL. We know that folks on the right are putting pressure one her to move right, so there can be pressure to move left.

Now, none of this excuses the barking mad actions by some Sanders supporters, the ones that cost Bernie my vote. However, the fact is, if no one else was running, the folks like Debbie Wassermann Schultz would be trying to push her so far to the right that she could become a very easy target.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
54. Given the stacked deck Hillary and Co. set up
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

I'm surprised he didn't "turn dark" earlier.

A person can only take so much and then has to stand up and call bullshit. Sec. Clinton along with DWS and the rest, have themselves to blame.

Go Bernie. You are making a yuge difference and the Democratic party will never be the same!

All the way to the convention.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
57. Oh, I have such a sad for you,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:56 AM
Apr 2016

especially since you're taking a breather from the race based OPs.
Whatever can you do?

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
61. I think this is the part you don't understand.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders is not making us dislike Hillary Clinton - we simply don't think she is the best candidate and we are choosing to vote in the primary for the candidate we think is best.

That is what the primary is about choosing the very best candidate for US personally. So you have to just accept that we are doing what we are supposed to do.

If people don't like Hillary Clinton - that is her fault.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
66. One can think that HRC is corrupted and still think she would be better than any GOP candidate.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016

Good day or bad.

The lesser of two evils is a viable strategy for HRC.

And if a significant number of likely Democratic voters agree, then Bernie IS doing the party a favor by articulating this view. Speaking the truth, as many see it, is not a dark turn, but shining a light into the dark.

Response to bravenak (Original post)

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
87. Please stop telling lies.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

I know all you're capable of is posting gross distortions and smears but it's getting tiresome.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
73. I'll just call that a libertarian owned/informed Boston Globe dirty trick April Fools Day joke.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:34 AM
Apr 2016

Those libertarian organizations like
Boston Globe and Washington Post do like Hllary, why is that?

Cha

(296,848 posts)
74. BS and his surrogates are whipping his fans into a feeding frenzy for Hillary hate and @ President
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:14 AM
Apr 2016

Obama, too. They need to justify his so-called revolution.

The President @ a strong 53% isn't cutting it for them. dawson is tweeting stupid shite about Obama on why his Presidency isn't successful.

I cannot wait until these people fade into the junk pile of history.

Thank you for this brave.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
78. Here's another quote from that article
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:03 AM
Apr 2016

At a rally in the South Bronx Thursday night, Sanders offered the same critique — laying out a litany of differences between him and Clinton. These attacks led to booing of Clinton’s name, something that Sanders once spoke out against but now allows to go on without reproach.

Look at that, even the author recognizes Bernie's "attacks" on Hillary are nothing but a list of differences between him and Hillary.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
80. Well, I agree with your post's title.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

It certainly would be a dark turn if Bernie suddenly dropped out and said Hillary was the better candidate.

mainer

(12,018 posts)
81. Remember how she refused to drop out when she lost to Obama?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:25 AM
Apr 2016

Remember that awful speech she gave about not giving up when Obama's delegate count essentially assured him the nomination?

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
105. Of course
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

It is hard to lose and she was way closer than Bernie...she had a chance up until the last few primaries...but she supported Obama and brought about healing...Bernie who much know he is losing and sowed the seed of division even now.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
90. Such turns of phrase! One might even think the author is the same Michael A Cohen who wrote speeches
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

at the State Department under Hillary Clinton. One might even assume.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
91. I expected him to stay in the race.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:06 PM
Apr 2016

But it appears that he has lost sight of WHY he was in the race in the first place. Because instead raising awareness on economic issues, it has become a politics-as-usual slugfest. I guess t is the nature of the game and he really can't help himself, but isn't he supposed to be above all of this?

The thing is, he has VERY little chance of actually winning this thing, so by increasing the personal attacks, he is decreasing his eventual ability to actually advance his issues after the election.

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
93. Opinions like this infuriate me.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

My family believes he is by far the best choice to lead this country and this op writer would deprive us of the great pride of voting for him in the primary?

Screw that!

Thank you Bernie, for taking it to the convention!!

And I'm sorry for you that so many people dislike your candidate. But she brought that about all on her own.

brewens

(13,538 posts)
104. Those of us in "the party" that are glad someone finally represents us, say keep going
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie! He was always what democrats should have been from the start.

Cowpunk

(719 posts)
109. "In Sanders’ world, everyone but him and his supporters are tainted."
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

Nope, not everyone. But certainly you, Mr. "Nate Silver sees all, knows all".

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
110. I like this editorial
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:22 AM
Apr 2016

From the Boston Globe https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/01/dark-turn-for-sanders-campaign/iQXKhLKcLadSzNhbxo2WOI/story.html

The candidate who pledged last May that his campaign would not be about Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, but “about the needs of the American people”; the candidate who boasted he’d never run a negative political attack in his life; the man who said he would be “driven by issues and serious debate . . . not reckless personal attacks of character assassination,” has begun to run a very different race.

Sanders is increasingly embracing the tactics he once decried. Rather than trying to unify the Democratic Party behind its almost certain nominee, Hillary Clinton, he is ramping up the attacks against her. While once Sanders refused even to mention Clinton’s name, now he doesn’t go a day without hitting her.

And the focus of his attacks is always the same — that she is too close to Wall Street, that she has flip-flopped on trade, and that she was wrong on the Iraq War. In Ohio last month, he said, “I proudly stood with the workers! Secretary Clinton stood with the big money interests!”....

There’s also the much bigger question of why he is doing this. Sanders likes to tell his supporters that he has the momentum to win the Democratic nomination. But the simple fact is that it would take a miracle for Sanders to overtake Clinton’s wide delegate lead. As campaign stat guru Nate Silver pointed out recently, even in the most optimistic scenario for Sanders, he would still likely fall short.

While I understand the need to maintain a brave face for his supporters, Sanders is doing them and the party he wants to represent no favors not just by misleading them about his chances, but by increasing their dislike of Clinton. Sanders has said on more than one occasion that he thinks Clinton “on her worst day” would be an “infinitely better candidate and president than the Republican candidate on his best day.” I have no doubt that he believes this. Perhaps he should start acting like it.

oasis

(49,328 posts)
111. Bernie is on a path to a scorched earth strategy. Susan Sarandon
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

may have tipped his hand by her suggestion on how to accelerate the "revolution".

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