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LAS14

(13,769 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:50 PM Apr 2016

Wo! Who knew about Wisconsin???

Again, the Newshour on PBS has a story about Wisconsin's voter ID laws that are estimated to disenfranchise 300,000+ poor people and people of color. This is Wisconsin, not Mississippi!! And we know who's supporters will be most affected.

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Wo! Who knew about Wisconsin??? (Original Post) LAS14 Apr 2016 OP
Since I live here and work the polls, I sure did. It's been law for several years, PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #1
Yea Sanders. Polls show he is leading by 11pts with African American vote in WI. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #2
The big story is going to be SheenaR Apr 2016 #5
Have you seen any polling that suggest double digits yet? HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #18
No polling SheenaR Apr 2016 #19
Thanks for the info! NWCorona Apr 2016 #26
Only if you think beedle Apr 2016 #8
It'a awful SheenaR Apr 2016 #3
Lol, Bernie's going to win, so never mind. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #20
It's what Hillary does Politicalboi Apr 2016 #28
Actually Hillary has a history of standing for the disenfranchised... Agschmid Apr 2016 #36
20 days of early voting in every state would sure be great, I wonder who proposed it? Agschmid Apr 2016 #37
Clinton has a vastly better record than Bernie on protecting voter rights. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #38
Yeah , voter disenfranchisement is acceptable, as long as it favors Bernie lunamagica Apr 2016 #40
Nope SheenaR Apr 2016 #42
I did but I have been following this crap for years nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #4
Scott Walker should be in jail! Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #6
scary and ugly dana_b Apr 2016 #7
The oligarchic establishment state AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #9
also mccarthy, standard issue nixonian GOP. RHEINQUIST! pansypoo53219 Apr 2016 #10
As Hillary Clinton Pitches Voting Rights On The Trail, Her Counsel Looks To Fight For Them in Court Gothmog Apr 2016 #11
Bill Clinton is also good at voter suppression Politicalboi Apr 2016 #29
State: Bill Clinton Didn’t Break Election Law on Super Tuesday Gothmog Apr 2016 #43
Just about everyone who cared about this subject knew. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #12
I have always cared about voting rights, I did not just start giving a shit because of Bernie Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #13
Hardly. I called bullshit on the transparent fake concern for voting rights. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #14
Bullshit, it was not just Bernie supporters who noted voter suppression in Arizona and you know it Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #15
You are one of the few who did. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
No I am not "one of the few", all the Bernie supporters I know care about voting rights Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #23
Like the ones who demanded the disenfranchisement of all Clinton geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
I do not know of a single Sanders supporter who believes what you just said Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #25
Links: geek tragedy Apr 2016 #27
Then keep Bill HOME Politicalboi Apr 2016 #33
Only a really shitty human being would attempt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #34
sowhat has the bernster done about it during his 25 yrs in congress? nt msongs Apr 2016 #16
changed the world reddread Apr 2016 #17
Called for defunding Democratic GOTV campaigns because geek tragedy Apr 2016 #22
People who follow politics and current events knew BainsBane Apr 2016 #30
And just in case they haven't suppressed enough votes dflprincess Apr 2016 #31
They are doing these types of voter suppression laws all across the "red states" Iliyah Apr 2016 #32
I've been phone banking them... many voters are on to it... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #35
Thank you so much it means a lot to me that someone on team Hillary cares about Kalidurga Apr 2016 #39
NO candidate should be the victim of election fraud...no matter what! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #41

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
1. Since I live here and work the polls, I sure did. It's been law for several years,
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

but was held up with a stay until this year. This will be our first large election with it in place. We had a supreme court primary in February which was the first. You can thank Scott Fucking Walker for that.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
2. Yea Sanders. Polls show he is leading by 11pts with African American vote in WI.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

So no need to worry about it.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
5. The big story is going to be
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:57 PM
Apr 2016

The panic within the Powers that be after Bernie wins again by double digits.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. Have you seen any polling that suggest double digits yet?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:34 PM
Apr 2016

I've seen Sanders ahead by more than the MOE, but not yet double digits.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
19. No polling
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

Monitoring where the money is coming in at the betting sides. His odds quadrupled this week as the favorite.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
3. It'a awful
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

But fortunately this is going to be a comfortable win for Sanders, which seemed highly improbable just a few weeks back.

Wisconsin has been severely damaged by piss poor leadership. They will respond in kind at the polls

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
38. Clinton has a vastly better record than Bernie on protecting voter rights.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders didn't show much interest until he started parachuting into South Carolina.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
42. Nope
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

Electing leaders that can make real change is Wisconsin's first step in the right direction.

Then comes the end for Walker, Ryan et.al

But your version probably sounded cool when you thought of it

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
6. Scott Walker should be in jail!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

However, in Wisconsin you have Milwaukee, Madison, and Green Bay. In the rest of the state you have Alabama!

Gothmog

(144,934 posts)
11. As Hillary Clinton Pitches Voting Rights On The Trail, Her Counsel Looks To Fight For Them in Court
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

Marc Elias, the chief counsel for the Clinton Victory Counsel program, is busy suing the GOP and fighting GOP vote suppression http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/16/voting-rights-lawsuits-_n_7594960.html

The general counsel for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign is heading up three high-profile lawsuits against Republican-backed voting restrictions in what is shaping up to be a perfect political and legal storm leading up to the 2016 election.

The attorney, Marc Elias, is involved in lawsuits challenging measures passed in Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin, arguing that laws cutting back early voting, restricting registration and requiring photo identification to vote, among other measures, disproportionately impact racial minorities.

Conservatives have argued such measures protect against voter fraud, and have called the lawsuits a political effort to energize Democratic voters. The financial involvement of the billionaire liberal philanthropist George Soros, who is supporting the suits, has only incensed them further.

There are high stakes to the lawsuits, as the Supreme Court displayed a certain skepticism about federal voting rights legislation when it struck down a key section of the landmark Voting Rights Act in 2013. That provision had required states and localities with a history of voting discrimination to first clear any changes to their voting laws with the federal government or in federal court. The VRA still bars voting procedures that discriminate against racial minorities, but the strength of that section hasn’t been tested since the court’s controversial decision two years ago.

So, while the politics of Elias’ cases have attracted most of the attention — Clinton recently decried measures supported by Republican governors, like fellow presidential hopeful Scott Walker of Wisconsin — there is an equivalent amount of intrigue on the legal side. Some of the provisions targeted in the lawsuits, like Wisconsin’s voter identification law, have already been challenged, while others, like Virginia’s photo ID law, haven’t yet seen the inside of a courtroom.

The GOP is very good at voter suppression and I am glad that Marc is fighting against the GOP. Unfortunately, the Wisconsin voer id law will be in effect for Tuesday primary.
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
29. Bill Clinton is also good at voter suppression
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

But some don't care about that. This is more fluff from the cheaters, I mean the Clinton's. Fighting for our rights while taking them away.

Gothmog

(144,934 posts)
43. State: Bill Clinton Didn’t Break Election Law on Super Tuesday
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

This lawsuit is really silly and any lawyer who files this in federal court has better be prepared to be sanctioned. Federal judges are not known for tolerating stupidity. Here are some facts that will guarantee that the lawyer filing this case will be sanctioned http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/04/bill-clinton-massachusetts-election-law/

State officials do not believe former President Bill Clinton violated election law while visiting polling locations in West Roxbury and New Bedford on Super Tuesday.

After greeting voters and poll workers, Clinton posed with Mayor Marty Walsh and a man holding a Democratic ballot inside the Holy Name gymnasium in West Roxbury in a photograph first obtained by Boston magazine. Clinton later appeared outside a polling location in New Bedford with Mayor Jon Mitchell and used a megaphone to stump for his wife, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

Though a representative for Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign told Boston he received a dozen complaints that Clinton’s speech blocked voters from reaching the polling place, Brian McNiff of Secretary Bill Galvin’s office said the polls were “never inaccessible.”

Massachusetts election law prohibits any person from distributing “campaign material intended to influence the vote of a voter in the ongoing election” within 150 of a polling location. In addition, “no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election,” the law reads.

McNiff told the New Bedford Standard-Times via email Thursday “there was no violation,” despite Clinton and Mitchell standing, by the paper’s estimate, 85 feet from the polling place. “The Secretary of State has already said it’s not looking into the matter any further. That office has made its decision,” Mitchell told the Standard-Times.

Thank you for the laughs. You might consider reading up on the facts
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
12. Just about everyone who cared about this subject knew.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:07 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sorry it had to happen to Sanders supporters for you guys to start giving a shit.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
13. I have always cared about voting rights, I did not just start giving a shit because of Bernie
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

I sure do remember you tearing down people who expressed concerns about voter suppression in Arizona however.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
14. Hardly. I called bullshit on the transparent fake concern for voting rights.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

It had nothing to do with voting rights and everything to do with the fact that Sanders lost. Without fail, close contests that go in favor of Clinton are assaulted with fraud accusations, while ones that go for Sanders are absolutely fine.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
15. Bullshit, it was not just Bernie supporters who noted voter suppression in Arizona and you know it
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

There have already been hearings into the voter suppression and widespread calls for a federal investigation and it is not just Bernie supporters who have been making those calls. You made it very clear that you don't give a shit about voter suppression if your candidate wins however.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. You are one of the few who did.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

Those who actually know anything about the issue know how idiotic the Clinton Vote Fraud claims were.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. Like the ones who demanded the disenfranchisement of all Clinton
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

voters in Nevada and Massachusetts?

Nope. Bernie people at DU have repeatedly proven themselves eager to embrace voter disenfranchisement if it helps Bernie.

They sure learned to love caucuses once they stopped losing them.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
25. I do not know of a single Sanders supporter who believes what you just said
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

I have never seen anyone say all MA and NV Clinton supporters should be disenfranchised. Now I know you will probably go out and find some random internet poster who says otherwise, but random internet posters don't mean jack shit. There are no widespread calls to disenfranchise MA and NV voters however.

You of course were very dismissive of the people who were disenfranchised in Arizona so instead of pointing the finger at Bernie supporters you might want to look at your own support for voter disenfranchisement.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. Links:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

Overturn the results of the Nevada caucuses:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511302237

Sanders voters to sue to award ALL Massachusetts delegates to Sanders:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280156902

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280153709

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280162469

So, no I absolutely have zero respect for people who fake concern for voting rights while supporting Mass disenfranchisement due to Clenis Interruptus.

Beneath contempt.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
33. Then keep Bill HOME
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

You may not see anything wrong with voter suppression created by Clinton's. You guys think if it's not against the law, who cares. But it WAS against the law, and you guys still didn't care. Bullhorn Bill soliciting for his wife at polling places. You guys embrace this shit.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
34. Only a really shitty human being would attempt
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters over that.

The people behind those lawsuits are scumbags.

No one with a moral ounce in their body supported those mass disenfranchisement, election stealing lawsuits.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
30. People who follow politics and current events knew
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

The court challenge to this law failed a year ago. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-election-idUSKBN0MJ1DZ20150323

Anyone who has been contacting WI voters on behalf of a campaign should also have known, since it is essential information in getting the vote out.

dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
31. And just in case they haven't suppressed enough votes
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

by strange coincidence a server goes down cutting election clerks off from accessing voter registration information and preventing some residents from getting the drivers' license or ID card.

http://www.startribune.com/server-failure-cuts-clerks-from-wisconsin-voter-system/374271841/

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
32. They are doing these types of voter suppression laws all across the "red states"
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

That's one tactic from the GOP to secure a "One Party System".

WI = voter suppression. Another form of voter suppression was in AZ.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
35. I've been phone banking them... many voters are on to it...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:26 PM
Apr 2016

... but nobody is really safe against election fraud, especially in the wacky world of Scott Walker.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
39. Thank you so much it means a lot to me that someone on team Hillary cares about
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

people who are very likely to vote for Bernie. Just like Bernie cares about voters rights in every state. It's good to see someone anyone care about Bernie voters in Wisconsin.

PS I voted against the voter ID law when it was on the ballot in Minnesota and we defeated that stupid attempt to squash voters rights.

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