2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumState Dept. Halts Clinton Email Investigation, Defers to FBI
The U.S. Department of State has halted its internal review of Hillary Clinton's most sensitive emails until the FBI's own investigation is complete, the State Department announced today.
"We do not want our internal review to complicate or impede [the FBI probe]," spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau said. "We are prioritizing the law enforcement investigation."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-department-halts-clinton-email-investigation-defers-fbi/story?id=38083129
I think we are close to knowing what the outcome will be.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm not so positive the outcome will be good for Hillary.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And anyone else not team Hillary.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)That you are debating that should give some here pause as to your motives.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Ok.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)IMO they're like a battered spouse who defends his or her abuser. Overlook ALL of Hillary's flaws just so she can be the first female president.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for 30 years now are not just are not just extremely immoral but an indulgence of bad character. Those who join in -- instead of educating themselves about her -- are keeping very bad company, at the very least.
As for this investigation, since this latest smear has become a nationwide question (congrats, swiftboaters) this Hillary supporter feels it is extremely important for this investigation to be thoroughly and properly completed and properly closed, with the proper statements of results to the American people. As both the State Department and FBI do, but no one more than Hillary Clinton herself.
And if her enemies don't let this latest disproved smear die (very likely!) and as president she spends another 13 hours showing a bunch of predatory Republicans and other enemies up for the profoundly dishonorable and corrupt people that they are, so be it. She's up to it. Scheduling will be the only issue.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Have I gotten your attention now?
The GOP ran with Benghazi but the server and email issues are of Clinton's own damned creation. She is the only cabinet member in modern history to run her own off-network, out-of-the-loop communication network with ZERO oversight.
In all of your cheerleading for team Clinton you are failing to recognize how serious an issues this is, not just legally but ethical.
How about instead of spewing falsehoods you educate yourself, m'kay?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)NOBODY knows about without the Benghazi GOP link and YOU KNOW IT!
STOP HELPING THE GOP, we SEE what YOU are doing!
TM99
(8,352 posts)The email 'story' is not made up.
Clinton used her own IT support to create an email server which she controlled outside of the SD secure network. She transferred classified information through insecure channels.
This candidate of yours may become the nominee. These are serious legal and ethical issues which could tank any chance of a Democratic Party hold of the White House this fall.
You can lie to yourself all you want. You can play little games by saying that anyone who doesn't act or believe as you do is 'helping the GOP'. But reality is reality. If you are an adult, then you understand this. If you are not a paid operative, then you understand this. If you are serious about political realities, then you understand this.
So please start acting like it.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)that in reality you are saying it is better to elect an unethical and corrupt politician because you are afraid it will allow for another candidate from the other side of the aisle.
Principles be damned, right? Who cares if she is a lying, corrupt, pol, at least she has that fucking D after her name, right?
Imagine really hard what the best option is and why many of us are working towards it.
paulthompson
(2,398 posts)The FBI investigation began in July 2014 after the inspectors general for the State Department and the intelligence agencies officially referred the case to them. So the investigation began in part because of the ombudsman in Clinton's own department!
840high
(17,196 posts)Hillary supporters.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)There is not one other soul to blame for Hillary's scandal and controversy related to the totality of what may well result in criminal charges (IF There Is ANY JUSTICE LEFT IN AMERICA)... than Hillary herself.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)right wing meme about it.
If the GOP takes the WH, and to do that they have to steal the election even with you folks pushing this story, but I will hold email story pushers (has to be a better way to say that) responsible.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)use this to destroy the Democratic Candidate is obvious.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)If you are saying that the GOP is out to get Hillary then you'd be right.
But this server mess is all on Hillary. No one made her set it up.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)On a liberal message board that would never happen with actual liberals.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)This story is bigger than the GOP. I'm sorry if you don't realize this.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)How in the HOLY HELL is it bigger than the GOP that she showed bad judgement and used the wrong source for her storing her materials
BULLSHIT is what THAT sounds like!
Actually that sounds EXACTLY LIKE THE GOP
God dammit I hope people are watching this discussion here and learning something
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The FBI is non partisan.
This is not a GOP witch hunt.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)You're ignoring the many posters here who've given you the info on how this started.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The GOP made Hillary keep her emails for almost 3 years after she left the state department?
You just want someone to blame... Other than Hillary.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)To confuse a question mark for a period tho.
Doesn't help your case.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)while reviewing documents requested by the House Select Committee on Benghazi.
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while reviewing documents requested by the House Select Committee on Benghazi.
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while reviewing documents requested by the House Select Committee on Benghazi.
THAT is how it started.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But thanks for trying.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)was created by the GOP.
This is a fact.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Link?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)albeit through improper means.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)an extraordinary example of willful ignorance and circular arguments promoted by a Hillary fan.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)you remember him? the one who said this is all nonsense?
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)of Wall Street politician.
Does NOT change the fact of where this story started, why, and who is using it do destroy her.
Does it?
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)i'd like to know how Clinton Foundation business mingled with her work in the State Dept. wouldn't you?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)It was a matter on which a lot of material should have been available. A subsequent hearing revealed that the records were probably on Clinton's private server. The judge said he didn't realize Clinton had a private server, and as it turned out officially the State Department said it did not know that. Hillary had furnished an email address for those wanting to contact her, and that address deposited emails on her server. And that is when the matter started to take off.
Sam
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)have raised questions. They are not beholden to the GOP, and are not acting in their behalf.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Following a major story is not promoting the GOP o the story.
Democrats would be fools to just ignore it.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Read the words and think. Maybe you don't understand that the FBI is not a republican congressional committee. Good lord.
I give up on you engaging in conversation without being intentionally obtuse and insulting.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Liberals dont do that, we dont promote GOP witch hunts
morningfog
(18,115 posts)You don't understand the word promote, obviously.
Is English a second language for you? If so, I apologize.
840high
(17,196 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, that doesn't mean he isn't a good person a lot of good people lean right or say they do. But, if there is a problem that they know about they roll up their sleeves and work with people in the community. I have seen that many times in my life. They say everyone is on their own in theory, but they don't really mean it.
4139
(1,893 posts)Or they would have State's review earlier if it were just procedural
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)You don't really know.
None of us do.
awake
(3,226 posts)because if there was "no there there" there would be nothing to "complicate or impede" This has to mean that the U.S. Department of State feels that there is a real problem which clearly requires a "law enforcement investigation" and State Dept. do not want to be in the position of getting in the way. If no actions were about to be take there would be nothing to get in the way of. I know some will try to say that the U.S. Department of State has halted its internal review because there was nothing to find, but that is not what they said. Someone is in big trouble the only question is how high up the chain of command is that person.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)even if it just and aid of Hillary's that takes the hit Hillary will still have some explaining to do. All of Hillary's supports have said all along that there is nothing to this email issue and when it blows up in their face (as it seem like it might very well will) then what will they say or do?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)and 1 biased in your favor), it is BAD NEWS when the 2 referees have a conference, and the one who's biased in your favor agrees to step aside to defer to the neutral referee.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The FBI isn't keeping this in house anymore and is working with the DOJ and other agencies now.
This isn't good news for Hillary.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)To me, this would be used to get all their stories on the same page so to speak.
senz
(11,945 posts)Rinse and repeat.
jillan
(39,451 posts)They have all the testimonies completed.
If Hillary goes in there with a completely different story there could be some blowback.
Anyway - we, as democrats, need to get this over with before the DNC convention.
And we all know why.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)He will find out if they are coming after her civilly or criminally, and if it is the latter, which it seems obvious that it would be, she has to protect herself. One wrong answer and they will accuse her of lying to the FBI, which I believe is a crime, but if the answer to the question truthfully forces her to admit she did something wrong, there is the old ballgame.
I am 99 percent sure the FBI believes they have an airtight case. I think it will recommend an indictment. I know the Justice Department picks it up from there, and I tend to agree that Loretta Lynch plays by the rules.
In the overall scheme of things, I hope Hillary is able to negotiate a deal for herself. Probably that would include a huge fine and an agreement to drop out of the race and to not seek a government position in the future. Comey I believe would insist at the very least that her security clearance be taken and that she could never be in a position to handle secret, classified or Top Secret information again. That is the very least he will require.
It would not be surprising if new fallout arises from information the FBI has gleaned about the Clinton Foundation. I will be surprised if it does not.
I do not think it is in this Country's best interests for Hillary Clinton to be imprisoned but a negotiated settlement makes it all go away. The more this drags on the more information that will come out into the public domain, and from what I have seen so far, some of that is devastating. And now some of the rest of the world has it.
And there is a remote possibility that this could wash back to shore and nip at President Obama's feet. I want to see him to be able to leave office without this adversely impacting him. He deserves that.
Sam
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They were all very very excited ... so very sure that THIS WOULD BE THE ONE!!
Some Bernie supporters sound almost as excited now.
BlackCoffeeinNYC
(26 posts)A vast right-wing conspiracy, if you will. Boy did I ever get burned and have to eat crow after years of defending him.
But at least he taught me a tough lesson early on in my youth: never idolize politicians or look up to them as role models. You'll only end up disappointed.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And what kind of FOOL thinks they can defend a person they don't know personally regarding accusations of infidelity?
I never defended Bill on the infidelity point because I don't know him personally. How could I ever claim I was sure he was faithful?
As for your last sentence ... that is a very very important point!!!
You should post that as an OP in the Bernie group ... many of them could learn from it.
840high
(17,196 posts)wish I hadn't.
Califonz
(465 posts)tralala
(239 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)the Intelligence Community called in the FBI via the Justice Department.
When the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community needs the Justice Department & FBI to investigate something, that isn't a good thing for the people involved.
The Inspector General of the State Department stepping aside isn't that bizarre a development as the folks he called in are running with it.
The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community probably has to respond to some non criminal issues so they may well have to carry on.
I don't think it's a gigantic development. They passed the ball to the FBI a long time ago.
They do have the right to resume their investigation and/or report after the FBI should they feel the need.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)about the FBI concluding the investigation into the emails and server...seems we have two differing news stories....
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ajams-shuster-exclusive-hillary-clinton-to-be-interviewed-by-fbi-director-comey-in-mere-days/
Those interviews, according to attorneys, will include former State Department aides Philippe Reines, Former Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, and Clinton herself.
Soon after those interviews in the next few days and weeks officials expect Director Comey to make his recommendation to Attorney General Loretta Lynch about potential criminal charges."