2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI keep asking how Bernie can get things done
I keep hearing how "he can work across the isle like he has done for years". Yet that might not really be the case.
http://time.com/4250238/bernie-sanders-ted-cruz-partisan-senators/
According to the 2015 Bipartisan Index
Two 2016 presidential hopefuls are also the top two most partisan people in the Senate, according to new data.
The Lugar Center and Georgetown Universitys McCourt School of Public Policy published their 2015 Bipartisan Index on Monday, which measures how often each member of Congress co-sponsored a bill introduced by someone from their opposing party or attracted co-sponsors for their own bills from the opposite party. By this standard, in 2015, Bernie Sanders ranked as the most partisan person on the Senate side, and Ted Cruz ranked as the second-most partisan. Though Sanders is an Independent in the Senate, he was counted as a Democrat
So tell me again how he can work across the isle, and don't give the the old "well what about Hillary crap, this is about Bernie.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)She's not proposing doing anything. Easy-peasy.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Reading shit like that here makes me wonder how stupid or lazy one needs to be to just repeat that.
revbones
(3,660 posts)you're saying republicans can't get anything done either right? No need to worry if Hillary is the nominee and loses because a partisan republican will win and not be able to do anything right?
Sheesh.
There are many examples hence the "amendment king" label of Bernie getting things done. He also got through the Veterans Access Choice and Accountability Act with John McCain - by working across the aisle as you put it...
Facts are tricksy business eh?
Andy823
(11,528 posts)He, Bernie Sanders, does not like to compromise with the other side, yet I keep hearing how he CAN get things done because he has a record of working with republicans. If you read the article I doesn't really look like he has done much of working with the other side. It's not very good to be one the same level as Ted Cruz when it comes to working with others.
revbones
(3,660 posts)I think you're citing partisanship and comparing that with accomplishments.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #16)
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LostOne4Ever
(9,598 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]By talking to the other side, finding areas of agreement, and making bills based upon that agreement.
How often or how successful he will be on it will depend entirely on the Republican party...same as Hillary.[/font]
Andy823
(11,528 posts)Bernie doesn't seem to like to work with others very much, others being the other side.
LostOne4Ever
(9,598 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]That said, odds of him accomplishing that are the same as Hillary no matter how "partisan" either of them may be.
So I don't see what the point you are trying to make.
The Republican congress will be obstructionist to both of them. Hillary or Bernie, so long as the Republicans remain controlled by the tea party and so long as they have control of any part of government....nothing will get done. The Republicans, as they are now, literally want it that way.
When that changes, then we can talk about if one candidate or the other is too partisan to get any legistlation passed. But right now, they are in the same exact boat and if neither candidate can get anything done, then I want the candidate who will actually fight for the things I believe in and try and change the publics mind.
That way at least, we can either get some of those republicans out of office or we can get more dems in office and set up an environment where the congress wants to do...anything.
And the problem with the article you are using is that a person who opposes everything their party stands for will have an ungodly high score, and those who actually support the platform of their party and fights for it will have a low score. Check out the lifetime Scores of Obama, Warren, Boxer, Kennedy or any party hero.
http://www.thelugarcenter.org/ourwork-Bipartisan-Index.html
All negative and all in the bottom half of that index. Even Russ Feingold, famed for working with Republicans like John McCain has a negative score and are in the bottom half of the list. Hillary has a negative score and is on the bottom half of the list as well.
Now check out Zell (voted for Bush) Miller. He is number 7 on the list.[/font]
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Last year not one single thing he proposed had bi-partisan support. None.
The two prior years, less than 10 percent of his proposals had bi-partisan support.
Those are not the actions of someone who can work with congress to get his agenda accomplished.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Wow. That's surprising.
Anyway, you can look through these at vote smart. I'm not sure what page you'll find Senate career specific material starting...there is a ton of information here though. There are endorsements, speech transcripts, interviews, vote information etc.
Vote Smart Career in Detail
This is legislative specific and if you click on each one you can get further info including linked speeches etc:
Legislation Sponsored & Co-Sponsored
This article is a mixed piece covering her early days through state and gives some answers to the question Fiorina posed about her experience:
What Is Hillarys Greatest Accomplishment?
And this also has a nice overview:
ATTACK: RIGHT WING IGNORES HILLARY CLINTONS ACHIEVEMENTS AS SENATOR
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)"instrumental in helping to secure...
"inspirational in..."
"worked night and day to protect..."
"led the charge..." - I thought Lily Ledbetter was Obama's achievement?
"speech"
"role in killing..." - what was it?
"role in climate change..." - again, what was it. Few people see any progress at all in climate change - BIG DISAPPOINTMENT
"...fought to pass..." but didn't pass
"...worked in the Senate to strengthen..." Did it pass?
"...powerful advocate for women...
"... was one of the original cosponsors..." Did it pass?
"...a strong defender..."
lots of rhetoric under secy of state mantel but no achievements listed
Kudos for drug labeling act for children but I'll stick with Bernie's VICTORIES!
Clearly you haven't researched his record either.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,378 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)and are part of the problem, but we agree on this I am sure.
Stallion
(6,613 posts)rivaling only Jimmy Carter-who was a complete outsider. None of them could get a damn thing done. This is a historic group of BAD IDEAS for governing this country. Bernie wouldn't even be able to get the Democratic delegation behind most every thing he spouts out of his mouth. He's not a Democrat
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)That is proof enough that they KNOW he can't get diddly done.
beedle
(1,235 posts)that they all are comfy doing nothing except scoring points towards their high paying lobby positions when they finally decide to 'retire' ... know any destitute retired senators?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)in one breath; then is accused of not being a "loyal" enough Democrat in the next breath.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)to court Republicans to support very watered down democratic measures, and recently, putting forward a fairly conservative Supreme Court Justice.
The only thing these concessions have really accomplished is a better favorability rating for him, and a really shitty one for congress. That's better than nothing, but it's not much. I don't fault his reasoning, even if I think he tried to give too much away. I think that his administration thought that they'd be able to pull a republican here and there by being all too reasonable, not to mention keep the big money from going all in to derail his Presidency.
Three factors made all that worthless. The astro-turfing and subsequent takeover by the tea-party, the gerrymandered redistricting that made Republican seats bullet proof to GE contests(but not to primaries), and in most cases no incentive for republicans to compromise on legislation when their corporate masters were doing just fine with a grid-lock that maintained the status quo.
I'm surprised that anybody actually thinks that Bernie can do better. Frankly, Bernie will do far worse, because half of the Democratic party will be counted among the obstructionists. We see it here with people who aren't even being lobbied the way our Democratic representatives are. Enough people here on Democratic Underground don't want any change, and that's the population the DNC will count on when they stand in the way of good legislation.
But what Bernie has that few other politicians in Washington can claim, is a record pristine enough to call out his colleagues who are bought and paid for...in a nice way. What he has, especially if he can get into the GE, is coat-tails, and a message that enough people can get behind. If he gets the nomination, that energy can be channeled into down-ticket races, and into shaping the future of public service. It will change the way the public thinks about what a politician can and should sound like and it will hopefully, be a catalyst for future action.
Will Bernie be able to get things done as President? Not bloody likely, and I have my money on both parties working hard to make sure his first term looks like an utter failure. Hillary on the other hand, is more likely to get things done. Personally, that scares me about her, not to mention the legislation I expect her to champion.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Unlike the other candidate. See IWR vote for example.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Well, they did count Sanders as a Democrat. It sounds as if the result might be different if they put him in a category off to the left all by himself.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)he can come up with is that he co-sponsored a bill for aid to Veterans with John McCain. I've heard him repeat this claim many times before I could not longer listen to his repetitive stump speech. I conclude that if you can't get a bipartisian bill passed with the "Lapel Flag wearing, We Support the Troops claiming members of the GOP" than you are not good for anything. Bernie brags about this accomplishment all the time. However, he's been in Congress for 25 years drawing a salary of $175,000 for 3 days worth of work, if that, when they and not in extended recess.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)From your clip..."Though Sanders is an Independent in the Senate, he was counted as a Democrat"-so by changing the facts they could fail to recognize that every one of the 206 bills he sponsored or co-sponsored was bipartisan. Here-check the actual record:
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)But these 206 are the bills that he sponsored or co-sponsored which were signed into law...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)All I typed into google was "Bernie Sanders bills sponsored or co-sponsored" and the truth was all there....It also makes those posts about how all he did was name a few post offices look pretty shitty...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Roland99
(53,345 posts)*sigh*
Vinca
(51,152 posts)He would get things done in the same way Hillary would get things done. Wait . . . correction . . . he wouldn't sign every Republican bill that turned up on the desk into law.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Third Way neocon stuff. No thank you.
libtodeath
(2,892 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)But ... You are fading ... Fading .... Slowly fading from view ...
Oh Hell ... You are gone!
See? No crap ... Bye
Ron Green
(9,849 posts)He works across the entire mainland. And the people must respond - that's how things change.