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Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:48 PM

"Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years with little to show for it"

I couldn't agree more with Barnie Frank. Hell between no real history of accomplishment, playing it completely safe (only reason he has that "spotless" record), and making all kinds of promises that at best are false, Barnie gets Bernie:

Barney Frank has harsh words for Bernie Sanders

“Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years with little to show for it in terms of his accomplishments and that’s because of the role he stakes out,” Frank told Isaac Chotiner in a question and answer piece published on Slate.com.

And when Chotiner noted that it seemed like Frank said Sanders voters “have a slightly unrealistic sense about the political process,” Frank shot back, “I didn’t say slightly.”

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Reply "Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years with little to show for it" (Original post)
Amimnoch Mar 2016 OP
Octafish Mar 2016 #1
Amimnoch Mar 2016 #12
Octafish Mar 2016 #15
RobertEarl Mar 2016 #18
Hortensis Apr 2016 #65
timmymoff Mar 2016 #47
litlbilly Apr 2016 #63
mcar Mar 2016 #2
whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #3
RobertEarl Mar 2016 #23
baldguy Mar 2016 #4
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #11
metroins Mar 2016 #13
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #24
MADem Mar 2016 #56
baldguy Mar 2016 #25
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #26
baldguy Mar 2016 #29
revbones Mar 2016 #5
metroins Mar 2016 #14
Amimnoch Mar 2016 #20
Loudestlib Mar 2016 #49
NWCorona Mar 2016 #22
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #28
revbones Mar 2016 #31
Octafish Apr 2016 #61
hrmbaja Mar 2016 #30
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #6
Impedimentus Mar 2016 #7
hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #8
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #9
revbones Mar 2016 #32
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #41
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #10
sheshe2 Mar 2016 #16
redstateblues Mar 2016 #17
revbones Mar 2016 #33
pnwmom Mar 2016 #19
Amimnoch Mar 2016 #21
nichomachus Mar 2016 #39
pnwmom Mar 2016 #50
obamneycare Mar 2016 #57
Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #27
nichomachus Mar 2016 #42
Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #46
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #55
Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #66
dr60omg Mar 2016 #34
jfern Mar 2016 #35
nichomachus Mar 2016 #36
The Midway Rebel Mar 2016 #37
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #38
Skwmom Mar 2016 #40
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #43
valerief Mar 2016 #44
Red Oak Mar 2016 #45
SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #52
Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #53
NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #48
scscholar Mar 2016 #51
pantsonfire Mar 2016 #54
BainsBane Mar 2016 #58
Lucinda Mar 2016 #59
Octafish Mar 2016 #60
BainsBane Apr 2016 #62
Octafish Apr 2016 #67
pinebox Apr 2016 #64
CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #68
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UtahLib Apr 2016 #70

Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:00 PM

1. He DID oppose Bush's illegal, immoral, unnecesssary and disastrous Iraq War.

Starting with George H.W. Bush who lied America into war on Iraq in 1991:



Who knew then that George W Bush would also lie America into war on Iraq in 2003?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:13 PM

12. And thanks to his vote, influence, and capability he prevented that war from happening!

Oh wait, nevermind, that didn't happen, so this really isn't an accomplishment now is it.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:18 PM

15. It is if you consider integrity.

You see, Bernie Sanders has it, as exhibited by his votes in 1991 and in 2003.

Others in Washington, not so much.

What did Mrs. Clinton do to stop Bush 41's and Bush 43's wars? Anything?.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:21 PM

18. As if congress has done a whole lot

 

Except raise defense spending, vote to invade other countries, appoint RW SCOTUS justices, put more in jail and let bushies walk free, etc. etc., And Bernie has been fighting them the whole way because they have been idiots. And what do you do? Attack Bernie. Shame on you. You allow congress to get away with hell and attack Bernie? Really, shame on you.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:56 AM

65. "The Waxman Report: How Congress Really Works"

This book has been out long enough that it can be purchased for $0.01 + $3.99 shipping. I strongly recommend knowledge and understanding as a cure for excessive cynicism and despair. Nothing's all bad, not even the U.S. Congress, not even this one.

I'm also waiting for Congress and the Politics of Problem Solving" to drop in price. It is extremely well regarded by professionals, including Rep. Waxman.

For many, Congress is an institution consumed by partisan bickering and gridlock. Yet the institution's long history of addressing significant societal problems - even in recent years - seems to contradict this view. The authors of this book argue that the willingness of many voters to hold elected officials accountable for societal conditions is central to appreciating why Congress responds to problems in society despite the many reasons mustered for why it cannot.

"Although this appears to be the most partisan and dysfunctional Congress in memory, Adler and Wilkerson demonstrate that Democrats and Republicans in Congress are capable of cooperating when they need to." - Representative Henry A. Waxman, 30th Congressional District of California


As for the OP's article,

And when Chotiner noted that it seemed like Frank said Sanders voters “have a slightly unrealistic sense about the political process,” Frank shot back, “I didn’t say slightly.”


Barney Frank was named by a Nobel-prize-winning economist as one of only 3 (three!) members of Congress he felt understood economics and also by a group of DC insiders as the person they'd most enjoy sitting next to at dinner.

RobertEarl, IMO Barney Frank's words should always be considered before dismissing (if they must be), not dismissing before even considering. Btw, neither of the other 2 was Bernie Sanders.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:06 PM

47. We are thankful

 

Hillary told wall st to cut it out. It saved an economic collapse, and moved her to stop favoring free trade deals.. at least for this week.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:46 AM

63. No, but all the morons who voted for it basically killed how many hundreds of thousands

 

of people. God, you people make me fucking sick. You really do

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:01 PM

2. K&R

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:03 PM

3. Barney has plenty to show for his time as a shill. n/t

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:25 PM

23. I betcha Barney is richer than Bernie.

 

Great thing about Bernie, he hasn't made becoming a millionaire his goal while being in congress .

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:03 PM

4. The battles Bernie led to name those post offices really let his mettle shine.

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:11 PM

11. Are you purposely lying or just low information?

 

He did a shit ton to help out Vets while on the VA committee. That should be all that is need IMO. More than Hillary did to help the Military out.

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:14 PM

13. On VA committee...

While the VA had it's recent scandals.

That's not an accomplishment.

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Response to metroins (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:29 PM

24. Ugh seriously do you not know how in fuck the goverment works?

 

Good lord the Senate controls the money that WH requests, the WH controls the operation of the VA. Senate had nothing to do with the scandals except when it came to light the launched hearings into it. No wonder so many supporter Hillary, they barely even know how US government functions.

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:03 PM

56. No--you are mistaken. Those committees in the House and Senate under the Armed Services umbrella

(HASC/SASC, VA and subcommittees) have an OVERSIGHT function attached to them--to ensure there's no fraud/waste/abuse. There wasn't much oversight happening in SENATE VA-land. Would it have made a difference had they done better diligence? Hard to say. There would have to be a lot of on-site time, because the problem was that the VA was cooking the books. But Sanders didn't apparently do any investigative work, or assign it to anyone else. He just didn't kill himself working the gig:


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/05/the-veterans-scandal-on-bernie-sanders-s-watch.html


....Left unsaid however, is that he was the chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, responsible for overseeing the Department of Veterans Affairs, as the scandal erupted.

Dozens of veterans died while waiting for medical care at Phoenix Veterans Health Administration facilities, a scandal CNN broke in the spring of 2014. The imbroglio spread with reports of secret waiting lists at other VA hospitals, possibly leading to dozens more preventable deaths.

He held one-sixth of the hearings on oversight that his House of Representatives counterpart held. Republicans griped that they had made multiple requests for more oversight hearings, but received no response. A news host even challenged Sanders as the scandal erupted, saying he sounded more like a lawyer for the VA than the man responsible for overseeing it.

...By the time the scandal broke, Sanders had been chairman for more than a year. While the House VA committee held 42 hearings on VA oversight, the Senate VA committee chaired by Sanders held only about seven hearings on the matter.

“The House needed a partner in the Senate to help flesh out the problems at the VA, and unfortunately Bernie Sanders was not that partner. Jeff Miller and his committee were the ones who pursued this and ultimately uncovered [the VA scandal… only when the VA scandal broke was when Sanders ultimately decided to do oversight hearings,” said Dan Caldwell, the vice president for political and legislative action of Concerned Veterans for America.....

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:29 PM

25. You're right, I'm sorry.

 

He only got to rename one post office.

http://tinyurl.com/zlqhkl2

His other Earth-shaking bill allowed VT and NH to share water, but it only passed in the House.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:32 PM

26. Yea I get it Republicans-wannabees

 

don't care about Vets. You send us over to fight a war and when someone in the Senate has spent his time on VA committee pushing and passing bills that help Vets you think it means nothing.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:04 PM

5. Interesting, I read that he was the "amendment king'

 

Bernie Sanders was the roll call amendment king from 1995 to 2007 http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/


Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you


Oh yeah, and that big bipartisan veterans bill with John McCain. Wonder what Clinton got accomplished besides voting for the bankruptcy bill and selling out unions?

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Response to revbones (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:15 PM

14. Ever heard of an amendment king before?

It's hype and spin to turn a low accomplished politician into something that doesn't exist.

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Response to metroins (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:22 PM

20. Not only that, but hilariously the article references a Sanders Ad as the source

Look closely at the politifact artical. It's basing that "grand" title on a Sanders political ad, not actual cited testimony.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:11 PM

49. You can read right?

"In 2005, Rolling Stone named Sanders the "amendment king" of the House. At the time, the title held true with a specific qualification: amendments agreed to by record votes. (Amendments can also be passed with voice votes, in which the volume of yeas and nays dictates passage, or by unanimous consent, in which no one raises an objection.)"

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/

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Response to metroins (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:24 PM

22. Are you saying that amendments don't accomplish anything?

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:33 PM

28. Don't ask him

 

He thinks the Senate is in charge of the VA.

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Response to metroins (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:40 PM

31. Sure. Good thing they back it up in the articles though right? nt

 

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Response to metroins (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:30 AM

61. No, media blackout plus the fact ZERO pols talk about dreams anymore.

All the Democratic leadership talks about is compromise -- triangulation. They don't even offer up progressive legislation anymore. It's only Austerity.

So, so what if Bernie is Amendment King, by act or default? Best part, history shows he gets stuff done that's good for ALL people. As president, the record shows he'll work, if not convince, Congress to do good for all.

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Response to revbones (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:34 PM

30. Don't forget her flag burning bill.

 

Memorable, that one is.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:05 PM

6. Bankster Barney? Who threw trans people under the bus?

Yeah this isn't going to help.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:07 PM

7. I have daffodils growing in my backyard that have more ...

understanding of the problems facing the 99% than Barney Frank has.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:07 PM

8. Rather be right than popular

 

This isn't prom.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:08 PM

9. Sanders has helped my life more than Hillary

 

Being a Iraq War Vet Sanders has gotten me VA Medical while in congress and Clinton got my fellow service men and women killed over in Iraq. So bite me.

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:41 PM

32. Hooah!

 

What branch?

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Response to revbones (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:49 PM

41. Navy

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:09 PM

10. Frank shilling for Banksters, whining because the Billionaire Class hates paying higher taxes nt

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:18 PM

16. K&R

Thanks~

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:19 PM

17. Backbencher Bernie

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:41 PM

33. And still got more done than Hillary. Amazing isn't he? nt

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:21 PM

19. There's a good reason he has virtually no support in the Senate.

The other Senators know him better than anyone. We should be paying attention.

ON EDIT: Elizabeth Warren has said nice things about both candidates and is remaining neutral in the race. So in that sense she is supportive.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:23 PM

21. Exactly. But he's the wizard of oz that will make all those magical proposals happen.

And he'll do it with or without a damn congress.. Dammit.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:48 PM

39. What bull.

People who are lining up behind Hillary are opportunists who are repaying past favors or hoping for future ones. They are afraid Hillary will win and they're hedging their bets. The Clintons are ruthless and vengeful. You cross them at your own risk.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:14 PM

50. Right. Every other US Senator is an opportunist since they didn't endorse BS.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:15 PM

57. Perhaps the lack of support for Sanders from elected Dems has more to do with a certain "hit list"..

 

Hillary's Hit List
January 12, 2014

...

As one of the last orders of business for a losing campaign, they recorded in a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet the names and deeds of members of Congress. They carefully noted who had endorsed Hillary, who had backed Obama, and who had stayed on the sidelines—standard operating procedure for any high-end political organization. But the data went into much more nuanced detail. “We wanted to have a record of who endorsed us and who didn’t,” a member of Hillary’s campaign team said, “and of those who endorsed us, who went the extra mile and who was just kind of there. And of those who didn’t endorse us, those who understandably didn’t endorse us because they are (Congressional Black Caucus) members or Illinois members. And then, of course, those who endorsed him but really should have been with her … that burned her.

For Hillary, whose loss was of course not the end of her political career, the spreadsheet was a necessity of modern political warfare, an improvement on what old-school politicians called a “favor file.” It meant that when asks rolled in, she and Bill would have at their fingertips all the information needed to make a quick decision—including extenuating, mitigating and amplifying factors—so that friends could be rewarded and enemies punished.

...

It would be political malpractice for the Clintons not to keep track of their friends and enemies. Politicians do that everywhere. The difference is the Clintons, because of their popularity and the positions they’ve held, retain more power to reward and punish than anyone else in modern politics. And while their aides have long and detailed memories, the sheer volume of the political figures they interact with makes a cheat sheet indispensable. “I wouldn’t, of course, call it an enemies list,” said one Clintonworld source when asked about the spreadsheet put together by Balderston and Elrod. “I don’t want to make her sound like Nixon in a pantsuit.”

...

In the summer of 2008, Hillary couldn’t have known whether or when she would run for president again. But she knew who was on her side and, name for name, who wasn’t.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:32 PM

27. Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You

What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.

“I'm a progressive, but I'm a progressive who likes to get things done,” Hillary Clinton said at the first Democratic debate, in response to a question from moderator Anderson Cooper about whether she defines herself as a moderate or a progressive.

The implication was that progressive Bernie Sanders is too far to the left to accomplish anything—all of his ideas are pie-in-the-sky. You have to be able to find the bipartisan, “warm, purple space” as Clinton said earlier this year, to get anything done. Slate's Jamelle Bouie was super-impressed by this rationale, saying Clinton has “skilled use of bureaucratic power.”

The problem with this narrative is that it is completely false. Not only has Sanders gotten a lot more things done than Clinton did in her own short legislative career, he's actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, both big and small, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.

The Amendment King

Congress is not known to be a progressive institution lately, to say the least. Over the past few decades, the House of Representatives was only controlled by the Democrats from 2007 to 2010, and a flood of corporate money has quieted the once-powerful progressive movement that passed legislation moving the country forward between the New Deal era and the Great Society. Yet, as difficult as it may be to believe, a socialist from Vermont is one of its most accomplished members.

Bernie Sanders was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1990, and many immediately doubted his efficacy. “It is virtually impossible for an independent to be effective in the House,” said then-Congressman Bill Richardson (D-NM). “As an independent you are kind of a homeless waif.” Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), today an outspoken advocate for Hillary Clinton, said Bernie's “holier-than-thou attitude—saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.”

As if things didn't look bad enough, in 1994 the Republicans swept into power in the House of Representatives, dashing the hopes of many that Congress could do anything progressive whatsoever. But Sanders was not content with tilting at windmills. He didn't want to just take a stand, he wanted to pass legislation that improved the United States of America. He found his vehicle in legislative amendments.

Amendments in the House of Representatives are often seen as secondary vehicles to legislation that individual members sponsor, but they are an important way to move resources and build bipartisan coalitions to change the direction of the law. Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders.

Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:

Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”

Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.

Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.” Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.

Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.

Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.

Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.

Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.

Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:

Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.

Using the Power of a Senator

While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.

When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy move—holding out until the funds were put into the bill—has even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.

Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.

His Theory of Change, From Burlington to the White House

The big question is, can Sanders translate his time as an effective senator into an effective president? After all, a legislative job is different than an executive job.

But Sanders has a theory of change, in order to be an executive who can pass progressive policy even in the face of a recalcitrant Congress. He frequently talks about a “political revolution” that means vastly increasing voter turnout and participation in political activities so conservative lawmakers and Big Money are unable to overwhelm public opinion. During the Democratic debate, this line had its doubters, from former Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) to a skeptical Anderson Cooper.

Sanders is probably not so unsure of himself. After all, he's done it before. When Sanders was mayor of Burlington, Vermont, one of his big accomplishments was to increase civic life in the city. During the course of his terms, voter turnout doubled. In his eight years as mayor, he rejuvenated a city that was considered by many to be dying, laying out progressive policies that cities around the country later adopted, and he did all this without particularly alienating Republicans. As one former GOP Alderman noted, he implemented ideas from the Republican party that he felt were not particularly harmful to working people, such as more efficient accounting practices.

It's easy for the establishment media and politicians to make the assumption that Bernie Sanders is not an effective lawmaker or executive. He has strong convictions and he stands by them, and we're often told that makes one a gadfly—someone who is out to make a point rather than make an actual change. But with Sanders we have the fusion of strong principles and the ability to forge odd bedfellow coalitions that accomplish historic things, like the audit of the Federal Reserve or the rejuvenation of Burlington that has served as a model for cities around the country. “Don't underestimate me,” Sanders said at the beginning of the race, words that anyone who knows his political and policy history take to heart.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:51 PM

42. Bernie's accomplishments dwarf Mrs. Clinton's puny efforts as a senator.

If her name weren't Clinton, she wouldn't even have been elected. Her so-called senate career was only meant as a line on her resume for her run for the White House.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:00 PM

46. Pretty much, yes. n/t

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:39 PM

55. Thanks for posting this. I copied it to a document in my files so that I can refer to it when

canvassing on behalf of Bernie for votes.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:38 AM

66. You're welcome..it is a very good concise resource. n/t

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:43 PM

34. He also had the same kind of tone for John Stewart The big short and the house of cards

Seems like Barney has several issues and one is dealing with the difference between reality and hyper-relaity ....

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:44 PM

35. What a pile of shit

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:45 PM

36. Why? Did Bernie let a prostitute operate out of his apartment like Barney did? nt

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:46 PM

37. Well, he's been running for president for only a year and he's doing quite well.

So, there's that.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:47 PM

38. I like the part where he says Sanders voters have an unrealistic sense about the political process.

 

That's putting it mildly.......LOL

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:48 PM

40. He is king of amendments for the people and passed major va legislation. n/t

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:52 PM

43. He has been in Congress 25 years. That is good enough for me. His constituents

are happy with his work, with his achievements.

He has co-sponsored bills and was known as the kind of amendments.

Sanders' critics have a very unrealistic sense about the political process and just how corrupt it has become due to the big, corporate, lobbyists' and wealthy people's money that picks our candidates and makes our choices for us.

It's Sanders' critics who do not understand how we citizens are sick of the process in Congress that allows Republicans to obstruct our votes and lets the media that is owned by big business and big money tells us what we are allowed to know about the world and our political process.

We are sick of the overwhelming influence of money in politics. Sick of it.

Bernie is too. That's why we are voting for him in such big numbers.

The things we want, like a higher wage, affordable health care, education, child care, family leave, a healthy environmental policy, peace not war, all the things we want Bernie wants.

In Congress we have the those blinded by the donations of big money leading those blinded by the donations of big money.

Bernie is one of the few exceptions in Congress who is not blinded by the donations of big money.

In a Congress full of corruption, Bernie is probably less prone to corruption than any other member. I'm not saying he is perfect. I am saying that we want Bernie because we know that virtually all the other members of Congress are corrupt.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:58 PM

44. How did you escape my Forever Ignored club? nt

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:58 PM

45. Like Frank did such a bang up job with the banks and finance!

Talk about what is wrong with our country, look at Barney Frank's "oversight" of Wall Street!

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:15 PM

52. LOL

 

Frank is for hillary - another reason to vote Sanders

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:19 PM

53. Well...

Watching one's bank account grow thanks to large wall Street checks is an oversight of sorts.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:10 PM

48. Under the bus with you, Barney!

Typical and entirely predictable. Barney Frank dared criticizing the holy St. Bernard.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:15 PM

51. Exactly

 

Hillary pushes the rules to get shit done. People complain about that, but it's just jealousy for someone that gets things done.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:14 PM

54. What did HRC do while she was Senator for eight years?

 

Yes, HRC got Bush to promise $10 billion to rebuild NY.
Bernie, through his "lack of accomplishments", used the amendments on the Bush Tax Cuts to funnel $11 billion dollars into the ACA "Obamacare" for public clinics.

So, what bills, amendments, did she pass while senator that sets her so far ahead in accomplishments?

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:56 PM

58. Here's his congressional report card

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2015

#1 worst record on bipartisan legislation.

#2 lowest leadership score of those serving 10 plus years

Highest 10% of missed votes

0 bills out of committee in 2015.

It really is stunning.


Sanders ranks at the bottom in terms of accomplishments. For some that's a plus. They prefer a politician who talks a big game and does nothing. The problem with actually working to accomplish things to improve people's lives is that in requires compromise, and they would rather have their anger validated that see anything done to improve the lives of ordinary Americans. They are seeking an entertainer in chief who feeds into their rage. For people who value speeches and resent the compromises necessary to pass any legislation, Sanders fits the bill perfectly.

Then some actually insist the ONLY reason anyone supports Clinton is because she has a vagina. Imagine the kind of thought process it takes to make comments like that about someone with Clinton's accomplishments compared to what we see in that congressional report card.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:31 PM

59. +1

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:43 PM

60. Better than Buy Partisan cooperation with warmongers and banksters.

Ever hear of Victoria Nuland?

She married PNAC Money.



Our woman in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan

Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to justice, peace, and democracy.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:43 AM

62. Oh, but Bernie has found common ground with some of the folks in that picture

over dumping toxic waste on the community of Sierra Blanca, for example. In that he agreed with George Bush and Rick Perry instead of Paul Wellstone and the Sierra Club. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511599924 Then there are his many votes on guns with the GOP, on the MIC, and on immigration. He has plenty of them. Then there is the fact he's voted for every military funding bill put in front of him, so he has voted with the neo-cons many, ,many times. What do you think the F-35 is? A trillion dollar weapon of peace? Jesus. What utter cant. Here's a link to his voting record. http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.Vv4IcaQrI2wWhy don't you try something novel and actually look at it rather than just inventing whatever the hell you feel like?

What Bernie hasn't done is initiate successful legislation (aside from the one Veterans bill), either bi partisan or otherwise. He hasn't led. He has shown no leadership ability or even inclination, and his campaign has been been a comedy of errors, including the most serious infractions involving a record level of illegal funding cited by the FEC. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=4 http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/fec-hits-bernie2016-with-campaign-finance-violations/
https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/bernie-2016-returns-donations-to-remedy-campaign-finance-issues/

Leadership is what being president is about, after all. Bernie has shown no capacity to enact any of the reform legislation he proposed, no ability to form coalitions, and he has shown himself lacking competence sufficient to even run a campaign. And that's who you want in charge of the federal government. Fortunately the American public doesn't agree, and not by a small margin.

Setting those many facts aside, you represent a perfect example of what I was talking about. You prefer someone who has done absolutely nothing but give speeches, and you couldn't have found a more perfect candidate than Bernie for that. What is sad is that he's the best you all could come up with. You were so anxious to keep Clinton from becoming president, you all glommed onto him without even taking a little time to examine his record. But then again, when all that matters is talk, a candidate's record is inconsequential. Imagine where the race would be today if the press had vetted him even a little.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:18 AM

67. This guy? I don't think so. His leadership is corrupt.

He and Mr. Clinton now work in the "Weath Management" department.



Before UBS, they all worked together in Washington, where Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) shepherded financial deregulation of the banks through Congress and President Bill Clinton (D-USA) signed it into law, the repeal of New Deal protections that kept Wall Street from using the taxpayers for their tab at the casino. President Bush was there, too, making sure the Banksters got away in 2008.

Forensic economist and former Fed regulator William K. Black wrote it reminds him of what happened during the Savings and Loans Crisis of the late 80s and early 90s. At the time, that was the greatest heist in history.

PS: You need to learn more about Bernie, too. Here.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:51 AM

64. What a pile of rubbish and this is why!

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:41 AM

68. Calling out Cunningham on the House floor for homophobic remarks

means he's done more in Congress than Hillary ever has.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:42 AM

69. Calling out Cunningham on the House floor for homophobic remarks

means he's done more than most in his career.

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Response to Amimnoch (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:28 AM

70. K&R. nt

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