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Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:03 AM

VOTER REGISTRATION CORRUPTION JUST KEEPS ROLLING HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA

This is UNBELIEVABLE! After reading an article at Anonymous on the antics in Arizona, I noticed a comment attached to the article that stated there are widespread reports of voter registration manipulation in PA and NY.

See article: Anonymous Investigate Arizona Election Fraud, “Sanders Was Hacked”
Link: http://www.anonews.co/anonymous-sanders-hack/

Since I live in PA and am a Bernie supporter, I decided to confirm my registration immediately.

I checked the VotesPA website and, sure enough, voter registration information on both my husband and me is not available!!! We have been registered Democrats and voting at this location since 1987 and 1994 respectively.

This is the message that came up for both of us: "No Voter Registration information could be found for the data provided. Either search again using different data or contact your County Voter Registration Office."

Calling tomorrow and surprise (not), we are Bernie supporters!!! INCREDIBLE!!! Just coincidence in state after state???? I think not!!!

Seems like those two lapses in the firewall (both reported by the Sanders Campaign) are benefitting only one of our two Democratic candidates...

HIGHEST PRIORITY!!! PLEASE TELL EVERYONE WHO IS STILL WAITING TO VOTE IN PRIMARIES TO CHECK THEIR REGISTRATION...ESPECIALLY FRIENDS IN NY AND PA!!!

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Reply VOTER REGISTRATION CORRUPTION JUST KEEPS ROLLING HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA (Original post)
kadaholo Mar 2016 OP
jfern Mar 2016 #1
Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #40
kadaholo Mar 2016 #2
msongs Mar 2016 #3
sheshe2 Mar 2016 #9
cosmicone Mar 2016 #4
HassleCat Mar 2016 #5
marions ghost Mar 2016 #7
marions ghost Mar 2016 #6
agracie Mar 2016 #8
R B Garr Mar 2016 #10
pugetres Mar 2016 #13
cui bono Mar 2016 #16
RandySF Mar 2016 #35
R B Garr Mar 2016 #17
pugetres Mar 2016 #19
R B Garr Mar 2016 #20
pugetres Mar 2016 #23
Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #31
pugetres Mar 2016 #34
Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #36
pugetres Mar 2016 #37
dana_b Mar 2016 #18
R B Garr Mar 2016 #21
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #11
geek tragedy Mar 2016 #33
kadaholo Mar 2016 #12
pugetres Mar 2016 #15
R B Garr Mar 2016 #24
onehandle Mar 2016 #14
dana_b Mar 2016 #22
R B Garr Mar 2016 #29
Chezboo Mar 2016 #38
geek tragedy Mar 2016 #25
RandySF Mar 2016 #26
edbermac Mar 2016 #27
dana_b Mar 2016 #30
blue neen Mar 2016 #28
sheshe2 Mar 2016 #32
Ellipsis Mar 2016 #39

Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:05 AM

1. Every voter database needs to be required to keep a history of all changes

That way they can know exactly what happened when something changed.

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Response to jfern (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:18 AM

40. Good idea. And show it online to the users

...including people the state no longer shows active registration for.

Another way for states to avoid disenfranchisement is to get rid of party-registration in the 28 states which have it, joining the 22 states which don't.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:08 AM

2. TOTALLY AGREE!

I might expect these shenanigans in a Third World County or in an undemocratic county, yet here we are... Truly outrageous!!!

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:08 AM

3. gee when hillary wins its because of cheating, when bernie wins its all clean as a whistle? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:22 AM

9. +1000

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:10 AM

4. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!

 

IN ALL CAPS EVEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!1!

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:13 AM

5. How would they know?

 

How do the election officials know who you support?

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:18 AM

7. They have closed primaries in PA so party affiliation is known

they could target Demographic groups if they wanted to. There's really no good reason for a lot of registration problems. Especially not in a closed primary state with fewer people voting.

http://www.sharonherald.com/news/local_news/pa-s-closed-primaries-shut-out-young-independent-voters/article_34fb6460-64ce-11e5-a611-ebb8340c249f.html

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PA's CLOSED PRIMARIES SHUT OUT YOUNG AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS

HARRISBURG – Unless something historic happens before next April, one of seven registered voters in Pennsylvania will have no chance to check the name of their favorite candidate during the presidential primaries.

About 675,000 voters are registered as independents. Another 440,000 belong to minor political parties.

Because of Pennsylvania’s closed primaries, they can only vote in the general election.

The exclusive system, shared by 10 other states, is designed to give added weight to the votes of party faithful, experts say. But it also contributes to more rigid positions among candidates and makes younger voters feel excluded.

“The closed primary undoubtedly creates more polarized and extreme candidates, which definitely leads to gridlock,” said Slippery Rock University political science professor David Kershaw. “Ideologues will refuse to cooperate. Their way is correct, everyone else is not.”

Wilkes University political science professor Thomas Baldino said research shows younger voters eschew party labels because they are disappointed by the Obama administration and have seen little done among Republicans to win their affection.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:13 AM

6. thanks for posting this

--can't keep saying it enough.

CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION, voters. There is just too much of this going on. No excuse for it whatsoever.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:20 AM

8. Bernie's database has been hacked.

(Now we are beginning to realize that Bernie's database has been hacked and used in MANY states to alter voter registration. But the following article is still pertinent)

Was New York's Voter Registration Data Hacked and Changed Like Arizona ?

"One of the more disturbing allegations made on the Heavy article by an anonymous poster was that the databases for people to access voter registration and to be able to change party affiliations is run by NGP VAN. NGP VAN was the company at the center of the controversy last December about the lack of security in the DNC databases that allowed Bernie Sanders staffers to access some of Hillary Clinton’s data. The company is headed by one of Bill Clinton’s former staffers, Stu Trevelyan, and one of the employees is the nephew of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chairwoman who has sparked outrage over allegations of trying to game the election for Clinton."

My comment:
So... the same company manages BOTH databases. Not too difficult to pick out Bernie supporters and purge their registrations. I wonder how many OTHER states this has happened in. NO WONDER Bernie does better in caucus states !

Go here: http://www.inquisitr.com/2930677/are...-like-arizona/

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:22 AM

10. How do they know you are a Bernie supporter? n/t

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:31 AM

13. I know that the DNC

 

collects information about likely dems and their candidate preference in their databases. I've been donating to Sanders for nearly a year and that information is stored in the DNC database. I've never ever had to register a party affiliation in my life but the DNC still knows that I vote and support Dems and, more specifically, they know I support Sanders. I have my official 2016 survey sitting on the counter and I've never contacted them personally or shared info with them directly but they know A LOT about me.


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Response to pugetres (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:35 AM

16. Remember when that firewall was conveniently left open?



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Response to cui bono (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:42 AM

35. And how to they go to the elections offices and rig the system?

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Response to pugetres (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:35 AM

17. Actually, I meant more who at the Registrar's office would know.

They are usually clerks (higher level clerks, I meant a clerk title and not trying to demean their service), but they are government workers.

I just went into my Registrar's office in California the other day, and I doubt anyone there could give a hoot who I vote for. I just went up the counter and they waited on me like any other government desk.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:38 AM

19. If there is something fishy going on,

 

I don't think it is on a local level.

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Response to pugetres (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:40 AM

20. Isn't the Registrar's office your final contact, though? And did they send you any sample ballots

yet?

They told me at my office to expect them end of April for the June 7th primary. Did you get those?

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:45 AM

23. I'm in WA state

 

and I used to live in MO. Open primary in MO and open caucus in WA so nobody on a local level in either state has ever recorded my party preference. I've never seen a sample ballot. I'm assuming I'll get my regular ballot in Oct to fill out with my choices at my leisure.

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Response to pugetres (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:03 AM

31. I don't know about Missouri

but Arkansas also has an open primary, and the county clerks have information about voters' primary preferences. So even though I have not registered for any party (not required in Arkansas), I have consistently voted in Democratic primaries, and that might explain why I have occasionally received postal mail from local Democratic candidates, but never from a Republican candidate.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:41 AM

34. If my memory serves me correctly for the MO primaries...

 

during the primaries, there were two steps to take before actually going into the booth.

The first was to check-in. Our names were located in the books and we initialed next to our names. The second was to go to a completely different table where we were asked if we wanted a Dem or GOP ballot. The second table had no way to identify the names of the voters. They just handed you the ballot you requested.

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Response to pugetres (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:53 AM

36. That might be how it is in Arkansas if someone always votes in person

But when I request an absentee primary ballot, I have to state a party preference. So there's a record of that.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:57 AM

37. Ah.

 

I've never voted in a primary with an absentee ballot. I preferred to go in person so that I could get my "I Voted!" sticker

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:37 AM

18. ever donated to him? n/t

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Response to dana_b (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:42 AM

21. The Registrar should be the last point of contact, though.

They are generally government clerks.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:24 AM

11. The excuses are already rolling in.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:15 AM

33. 4 weeks out indicates a severe lack of confidence

 

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:26 AM

12. Might have helped that...

It might have helped that I made numerous donations to the Sanders Campaign...

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Response to kadaholo (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:35 AM

15. I'm curious...

 

have you had to renew or update your drivers license info since the last time you voted?

I'm wondering about the security of the systems that the states use to register voters. There was talk about the AZ system changing party affiliation if one particular checkbox was left unchecked. I think I also read somewhere that a lot of states use the same software for DMV registration.

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Response to kadaholo (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:54 AM

24. How did the county Registrar's office know you are a Sanders supporter.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:34 AM

14. Mine is fine in PA. HIGHEST PRIORITY because I'm voting for Hillary.

Then I'm voting for her again in November.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:44 AM

22. reddit users say it's happening in NY too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4clipx/registration_question_nyc_i_submitted_my_voter/

Someone ther has good advice:

call your local BOE ASAP and aks about your registration status. If they refuse to update your party affiliation correctly, stop by their office and demand a photocopy of your registration form. If for some reason your problem can't be solved reach out to Bernie's campaign [email protected], conntact the NY Attorney General: http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact-attorney-general and call the NYCLU 212-607-3300 http://www.nyclu.org/content/getting-legal-assistance

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Response to dana_b (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:58 AM

29. why would the Sanders campaign even suggest that county clerks would "refuse" to update a

party affiliation correctly? How insulting to ordinary workers who are just doing their job to insinuate they are in on some inside voter purging job.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:07 AM

38. Because the deadline to make the change has passed. nt

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:54 AM

25. The conspiracy theories and excuse making have begun.

 

Doesn't look like Sanders supporters think he can win there.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:56 AM

26. Did you think about calling the county clerk and confirming before putting your tinfoil on?

And, please, don't scream until actually confirming you've actually been taken off the rolls by the DNC. These kids today, if it doesn't work online, then something is rotten in Denmark.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:57 AM

27. Jury results


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Response to edbermac (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:03 AM

30. of course. Some people don't like democracy and

would rather hide the fact that SOME in this election are cheating

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:58 AM

28. In PA also.

When I first tried checking, I put in my full first name and it came up "No information available". Did a retry and just put it the middle initial and got the correct info that time. I did the same thing with my husband's name and the same thing happened----no info for full middle name, but complete info for just middle initial.

We're supporting different candidates in this house, so it doesn't seem like this is corruption.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:14 AM

32. Hmmmmm~

K

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:10 AM

39. sniff sniff

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