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Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:53 PM

Bernie said to Rachael: "we'll see about raising money for the party and candidates"...

Unbelievable. Sanders is all about Sanders. I see why very few in Congress has endorsed him.

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Reply Bernie said to Rachael: "we'll see about raising money for the party and candidates"... (Original post)
asuhornets Mar 2016 OP
lunamagica Mar 2016 #1
asuhornets Mar 2016 #2
lunamagica Mar 2016 #7
timmymoff Mar 2016 #12
lunamagica Mar 2016 #20
timmymoff Mar 2016 #23
lunamagica Mar 2016 #33
timmymoff Mar 2016 #44
lunamagica Mar 2016 #50
agracie Mar 2016 #117
Armstead Mar 2016 #124
marions ghost Mar 2016 #48
lunamagica Mar 2016 #53
marions ghost Mar 2016 #79
lunamagica Mar 2016 #84
marions ghost Mar 2016 #93
lunamagica Mar 2016 #104
marions ghost Mar 2016 #110
lunamagica Mar 2016 #114
marions ghost Mar 2016 #119
Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #72
renate Mar 2016 #116
debunction.junction Mar 2016 #77
mythology Mar 2016 #58
timmymoff Mar 2016 #62
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #105
kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #3
asuhornets Mar 2016 #6
snowy owl Mar 2016 #19
tokenlib Mar 2016 #88
Armstead Mar 2016 #127
democrattotheend Mar 2016 #4
asuhornets Mar 2016 #8
snowy owl Mar 2016 #25
asuhornets Mar 2016 #131
Armstead Mar 2016 #128
MattP Mar 2016 #29
pacalo Mar 2016 #5
lunamagica Mar 2016 #10
KingFlorez Mar 2016 #13
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lunamagica Mar 2016 #69
pacalo Mar 2016 #83
lunamagica Mar 2016 #86
pacalo Mar 2016 #90
timmymoff Mar 2016 #100
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WhiteTara Mar 2016 #132
timmymoff Mar 2016 #21
KingFlorez Mar 2016 #27
dchill Mar 2016 #34
KingFlorez Mar 2016 #45
dchill Mar 2016 #54
timmymoff Mar 2016 #42
snowy owl Mar 2016 #32
lunamagica Mar 2016 #43
snowy owl Mar 2016 #59
marions ghost Mar 2016 #65
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pacalo Mar 2016 #55
lunamagica Mar 2016 #133
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Armstead Mar 2016 #130
lunamagica Mar 2016 #134
asuhornets Mar 2016 #11
timmymoff Mar 2016 #15
LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #66
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asuhornets Mar 2016 #81
timmymoff Mar 2016 #85
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timmymoff Mar 2016 #47
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snowy owl Mar 2016 #35
tokenlib Mar 2016 #14
asuhornets Mar 2016 #24
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marions ghost Mar 2016 #98
lunamagica Mar 2016 #135
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snowy owl Mar 2016 #36
dchill Mar 2016 #38
KingFlorez Mar 2016 #18
asuhornets Mar 2016 #26
tokenlib Mar 2016 #31
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revbones Mar 2016 #99
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asuhornets Mar 2016 #49
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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:55 PM

1. Oh, this will send the SDs flocking to him. So much unity. So much support for the party

So much help to get more Democrats in congress.

How petty

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:58 PM

2. I believe he thinks he is the Army of one; ready to conquer all; by himself....n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:04 PM

7. You know, with millions and millions of people outside The Capitol building, demanding

obedience to the Leader...who needs congress?

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:07 PM

12. No

 

But he knows he has enthusiasm and has already won the message. We see this from the continual evolutions and Hillary constantly having to follow his lead. He isn't an army of one, he knows we have his back, we know he has ours. We do not have to wonder what his position will be today. We know it is the same and not something different because certain donors have bigger pockets to peddle influence. One is running on message, the other is running on, well at least I'm not Trump.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM

20. He needs a Democratic congress if he ever wants anything done

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:12 PM

23. Better chance with him heading the ticket

 

than someone that is inspiring people to stay home.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:17 PM

33. Stop with the platitudes. They need MONEY to run their campaigns. Without it, they are doomed

to lose.

It is customary for Democrats to help and support each other for the greater benefit.

This "Me first" or "Only me" attitude it's completely unworthy of a Democrat

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:22 PM

44. It seems they are in a dilemna then

 

Because as a campaign that only takes money from the people, you will have to wait. Certainly the Clooney dinner had to help? Cant Goldman write another check? Wasn't Trump a pretty generous supporter of hers? Certainly there is some industry that can continue bankrolling the democrats like the current presumptive nominee.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:25 PM

50. They wouldn't be in this dilemma if Sanders acted like a Democrat, and helped his

party

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:46 AM

117. It cuts both ways. Just sayin'

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:48 AM

124. They wouldn't be in this dilemma? You're attributing a lot more power to bernie and his supporters..

 

than is usually given.

In the larger scheme of things the money Sanders has raised is a drop in the bucket.

It's up to the rest of the Democrats to start standing for things that will enable them to generate the same level of enthusiastic support and contributions from real people, not just corporations.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:25 PM

48. He did not say that he would not help other campaigns

he merely said that he has to use his resources right now to get the nomination. He does not have Hillary's financial advantage. She has already been able to pump money into states.
A very reasonable response from Sanders.

You are twisting it. Of course he has to put himself first right now but he is certainly going to do what is fair. Why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt here? He will do what is right and beneficial to Dem candidates under the circumstances.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:26 PM

53. I didn't twist anything. When did he say he would help?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:47 PM

79. In the interview with Rachel

he said he wanted to help the party apply the 50 state strategy, not just give lip service to it (which they have been doing). He said he would help the DNC if he gets the nomination.

He said also that he was sorry to have to limit campaigning in the South, especially TV ads, in order to save it for states he had a better chance in. And she used that against him, saying that Tad Devine said Bernie "chose not to compete" --MEANING that he chose to save on TV ads. Rachel implied there was a lot of bungling and inconsistency about this, which is garbage--they have done brilliantly. Got a slow start, for obvious reasons. And the media only started paying any attention to him recently.

Remember Bernie runs on a platform of campaign finance reform. He is acutely aware of the issues. Acutely.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #79)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:52 PM

84. Come on. You know I meant help financially. The answer to the last question

He was bragging about the incredible amount of money he has raised, so Rachel asked him if he would help with the other tickets (like Hillary has).

He mumbled how he needed the money and a vague "We'll see"

He hasn't helped so far, and it looks like he wont.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #84)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:02 AM

93. If he goes all the way

he will need a LOT of money. Right now that is hard to predict.

"We'll see" means if he wins the nomination he will do whatever he can (financially) to help.

Bernie doesn't make promises he can't keep and right now he's not sure. I would think you could see that as honorable.


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Response to marions ghost (Reply #93)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:24 AM

104. The thing is, Hillary is managing to run, and help her fellow Democrats running

He was bragging to Maddow about the enormous amount of money he had raised. That's why Maddow asked him if he would share some of that enormous wealth.

And the fact is, he pledged he would help other Democrats. But he has failed to do so. So, he made a promise he CAN keep. He is just choosing no to keep it.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #104)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:39 AM

110. He will, however after the nomination.

It has been customary for candidates to flow money AFTER they get the nomination. Hillary has been working it for quite awhile, from her big donors. So she has put in significant money already.

OK everybody thinks it's fine for Hillary and her deep pockets to do this--to pay for support, to buy votes up front--but how do we like it when the Kochs or Art Popes fund their candidates up front to buy states? No difference.

Now you may argue that she had no choice but to do it, or you may admire that she did--but Sanders is taking the route that is consistent with getting big corporate money out of American elections. He is showing that it can be done. This is the amazing thing about Sanders campaign.
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Please read the following--This is how the Clintons did it:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-03/clinton-rakes-in-millions-through-state-channels

Clinton's move last year to lock in fundraising alliances with 33 state Democratic parties has already added $26.9 million to the mountain of hard money she has raised so far, a Bloomberg analysis of Federal Election Commission filings shows. Bernie Sanders, her competitor for the nomination, has inked one such deal, netting a total of $1,000.

The agreements, thanks to a 2014 U.S. Supreme Court decision, make it possible for major donors to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in hard money to a candidacy, amounts far greater than the $2,700 limit on contributions directly to a campaign.

At least 24 donors have given $300,000 or more to the fundraising vehicle, known as the Hillary Victory Fund, including Haim and Cheryl Saban, George Soros and Daniel Abraham, longtime donors to both Bill and Hillary Clinton's political campaigns and the Clinton Foundation. The only other way to make such large contributions is through outside groups, such as super-PACs, which can take unlimited donations but can't coordinate with the candidate.

Under the agreements, the first $2,700 of a contribution goes straight to Clinton's campaign, the next $33,400 to the Democratic National Committee, and the remainder is split evenly across the 33 often cash-strapped state committees. Unlike super-PAC donations, the money can be spent to directly support her campaign on anything from get-out-the-vote efforts to TV ads.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #110)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:07 AM

114. He didn't say that. He said "we'll see"

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #114)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:19 AM

119. Nothing wrong with saying "we'll see"...

........meaning "yes, depending how it goes" --which is the only honest reply Sanders can give while he is still running for the nomination and spending big money right now. Nothing to pick on about his reply. Of course he allies with and benefits from the Dem party and will honor that. He made that clear.

Bernie wants the whole system to work better, for people, not only corporations. You have read the feelings of those in this thread who want their money to go for Sanders campaign, NOT into the coffers of the DNC. His supporters have given him the chance to run the honest way--in order to show that it can be done. We need campaign finance limits and we need them NOW. This is the brilliance of his campaign. He walks the talk.

You sidestepped the issue of how Hillary & Co. did a "pre-paid" push to ensure she gets the nomination --feeding millions into her campaign and the DNC. This was not legal before 2014.
She did it the RethugliCon way. Which you may think is fine.

Sanders is running on the platform of getting the big money interests under control so the (R) Kochs and the (D) Soroses cannot literally buy states and influence elections. But Hillary is perpetuating that --these ways of the past, not the future. Hillary and Co are not in a political position to make changes. The corporates--the 1%--have her exactly where they want her. It's very obvious that she is beholden to them, so it appears that she is lying when she says she cares about us little people. We see through that. She may "care" in her heart but she can't help us. She has to serve her masters. They pull her strings.

It is time (past time) for movement towards something more equitable now--the people see what is going on and they don't like it. Better to address it now with Sanders in office, than with further paralysis of government and continued exploitation of the middle class and poor, who will never benefit from the system as it is. Hillary makes promises to the people that she cannot keep. If she gets the presidency, you will see this more clearly.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 PM

72. The DNC is fucking him every step of the way!

I'd rather my donations go to my candidate for now. He needs it more at this point.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #72)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:35 AM

116. exactly! Donations to Bernie should stay with Bernie

My sweet daughter insisted on giving him a donation out of her allowance because she loves Bernie, not some other random Democrat. It would be wrong and dishonest to take the decision out of her hands about who gets that money.

I've never thought any politician should be obliged to share their donations--just the opposite, actually. Maybe corporations make political donations to get political favors, but individuals made donations because they believe in that particular candidate.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 PM

77. and that's why they negotiated their vote to Hillary.

Over and over when I hear of another Hillary endorsement, they say "negotiations have been going on for a while." Negotiations? Seriously, what is there to negotiate? Either you believe someone is the best candidate or you do not. Or is it that my vote goes to the highest bidder?

Is there a list somewhere of those who have endorsed Bernie? Anyone who wants to endorse Bernie will get a donation from me for their campaign. There are probably a few thousand others who would do the same.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:29 PM

58. Given that Clinton is ahead in both delegates and the popular vote

 

how can you claim that she's inspiring people to stay home, but the guy who has fewer pledged delegates and fewer popular votes is inspiring people to turn out?

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Response to mythology (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:32 PM

62. what perecentage of bernie supporters do you think wouldve shown up

 

for a primary with just Clinton running? How many aren't that interested in adding to her vote totals in Novmeber? How many are independents?

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:26 AM

105. Most of his bros think so

They were asleep during civics class when the subject was the three branches of government.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:59 PM

3. Establishment dems only carry about raising money from their corporate masters

People don't donate to Sanders, they donate to his cause.

I for sure will never donate to this version of the DNC. Most of them would be lucky to get my vote yet alone any penny of mine.

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Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:03 PM

6. Oh ok..

Donations to Sanders is different from all other donations to other politicians....because Bernie.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM

19. The money is to make Bernie the nominee? What don't you get about that?

Once the nominee, his coattails will do more to help other democrats than Hillary's. Also, the democratic party is supposed to do that. I'm not sure you all understand the system... Or are you just trying to find picky stuff to keep the negativity going?

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:58 PM

88. many donations to Bernie are a rejection of the Third Way/New Dem/DNC..

..and their moderate Wall Street coddling, corporate tax and trade friendly policies.. We are fed up with the rejection of the New Deal bedrock principles we grew up with.

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:54 AM

127. BINGO! Nail on head

 

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:02 PM

4. Only one of the two candidates has actively poached donors from the party's presidential candidate

Bernie is not that candidate.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:04 PM

8. Why haven't he made up his mind...

about helping his "fellow" Democrats. Helping the down ticket goes without saying.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:13 PM

25. Because he is running himself to be the nominee. You don't get that?

If Hillary is spending her money on other dems, then I guess she's making sure big money has a lot of poeple in their pockets.

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:19 AM

131. But Bernie should be able to do two things at one time...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:55 AM

128. Because many of them do not stand for what we believe in

 

Some do, and maybe I'll send some money their way.

But that's the decision of individuals.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:15 PM

29. Bernie calls raising money for the party akin to bank robbery

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:02 PM

5. Bernie gets his money from ordinary people who support HIM.

Asking Bernie about the funds that are strictly given to support Bernie for president at this point is pathetic, considering where Hillary's money is coming from.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:06 PM

10. And how is he going to get his agenda passed, without a Democratic congress?

You know, he isn't going to be elected KING

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:08 PM

13. Apparently some people do not realize that

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:10 PM

16. He'll just wave his magic wand, and "POOF" REVOLUTION!!!

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:33 PM

64. Hillary is going to get things done!

Don't hold your breath. Those on the other side of the aisle will not work with her.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #64)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:41 PM

69. Yes she is. At least she's helping her fellow Democrats so they can get elected

and they get this done together. She's working hard for her and the other Democratic candidates.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:51 PM

83. It's way past time for Hillary to take Bill by the hand

then walk away into the sunset to enjoy the spoils from all of her I-promise-you Wall Street speeches.

The status quo needs a lot of fixing & it isn't Hillary who is willing to try to fix it.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #83)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:54 PM

86. Is this you anwswer? Seriously?

You are way off here, somewhere far, far away from the issue

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:59 PM

90. Seriously!

I'm not trying to satisfy your agenda with my answer; I wrote what I was inspired by you to write.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #64)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:16 AM

100. She will

 

Like Fracking, regime change, keystone, TPP, all the good stuff democrats want lol

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #100)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:23 AM

103. They'll refuse to work with her out of spite.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #103)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:36 AM

132. And magically they will bow down to Bernie?

I don't think so. I think he'll have as much or more trouble with the other side of the aisle.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM

21. How is she

 

considering she inspires only those she already has? How does she get anything passed with a gop congress, because she isn't bringing new blood into the game.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:14 PM

27. If Democrats can flip Congress, it's possible for her to get some things done

Granted it is difficult to flip the House of Representatives, but Democrats need to at least try boosting candidates.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:17 PM

34. Only Bernie has that kind of coattails.

It's called turnout. This thread is full of the politically challenged.

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Response to dchill (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:23 PM

45. It's a little early to be talking coattails

And if we want to talk turnout, Sanders hasn't exactly brought many new people to the polls like Obama did in 2008. If he did he wouldn't trailing in the primary right now.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM

54. They WOULD have to be allowed to vote.

Plus, as I'm sure you'd be the first to point out, it's about delegates, not popular votes. Dems da berries.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM

42. What would you like done?

 

More fracking? Never knew a dem to run on the polluting our water platform. More regime change? I hope not. Can she help get us the 15 minimum wage? Oh wait, she already sacrificed that one before the fight began. Maybe single payer? Oh wait she sacrificed that one as well. He will help fundraise for dems I am certain if he loses, but truly take the time and tell me what part of Hillary's message inspires you to support her? Is it her free trade positions like NAFTA and being recently for TPP? Is it her answer of not taking a position regarding keystone until the president did? Tell me which of these polices actually make her progressive. What makes her a progressive? What is inspiring about the status quo?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:16 PM

32. #1 Coattails #2 Democratic party is supposed to do that -it's called 50-state strategy

#3 He never said he wouldn't help but you don't help others until you get the nomination yourself. Do you much about campaigns? Who has Hillary helped with her Goldman Sachs money?

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:20 PM

43. Hillary has helped her fellow Democrats runnung for office. Didn't you see Rachel telling that

to Sanders?

They don't need "coattails" they need MONEY to un their campaigns

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:30 PM

59. who has she helped?

Give me some facts and I might change my mind. But Bernie doesn't have the big pockets or the free media, so he needs to do more on the ground campaigning and he needs paid-for medial. This is the stupidest interview question in a campaign I have ever heard and I am not a young person. And Rachel gave you the bait and you are running with it.

It is a stupid question and anyone with a brain should be able to figure that out. This is unbelievable.

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:34 PM

65. Right--He said he wanted to push the party to really carry out

the 50 state strategy. He clearly said that. He said he didn't like the way that some states have more power than others. He intends to help if he gets the nomination.

If you really like for big money to control elections then I invite you to see how you would like living in North Carolina.

We have to STOP acting like RepubliCons re campaign financing in the Dem party.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #65)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:16 AM

101. I believe a lot of posters don't know what the 50-state strategy is?

I guess he needs to teach Americans civics.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM

55. Rachel's question made me angry.

The money I send each month for Bernie is done automatically, but I plan to cut it off when he no longer needs it.

I will contribute to the Democratic Party when it reflects the same principles that drew me to join when I turned 18.

Bernie Sanders is the only one who speaks for me that I trust.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:27 AM

133. I know that die-hard Sanders followers will defend him no matter what. But to the general population

such attitude won't win him any followers. Pettiness is very unbecoming

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #133)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:45 PM

137. Pettiness is very unbecoming.

I see it everyday when Hillary supporters act as buzz-kills in Bernie threads.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:57 AM

130. Democratic Congresses have been SO successful and willing to fight for progressive agenda

 

NOT......

That's the point. I didn't send money to Bernie to support the same system that is suppressing positive progressive and liberal change.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:28 AM

134. Then good luck getting anything done with a Republican congress

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Response to pacalo (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:07 PM

11. Not pathetic at all..

He's running on the Democratic ticket, using Democratic resources, receiving Democratic votes....

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:09 PM

15. votes are american

 

not democratic. his votes also come from independents, dems who long left the third way wing, disenfranchised voters. That's the difference Hillary gets dem votes and dem votes only.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:36 PM

66. It's the Democratic Primary. Which should be closed to opposition subterfuge

and political Lookie Loos.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #66)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:47 PM

78. Not only democrats are voting in it.

 

And this is why she struggles with independents etc. Your attitude right there. The can't do attitude. The obsession with party only is not the way to grow it. I've been a democrat my whole life, I didn't marry them. I signed no loyalty oath to a bad platform? Did You? I never signed on to support fracking. I never signed on to support an adopted platform. I signed on for them to be real, one is , one isn't. Sdly the one who isn't in line with my democratic principles is the "frontrunner"

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:49 PM

81. She is a Democrat,so that's how it works...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #81)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:53 PM

85. She isn't the cloth of

 

democrat I am. that's her problem though.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:30 PM

61. He's not a neo-conservative who is pushing for more wars.

He has given Democrats another vote in the House, &, most particularly, in the Senate when every vote was precious to the party. He earned the right to run on the Democratic ticket.

One thing I'm not is an ingrate who steps on those who have helped my cause.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:24 AM

115. After the way DWS and her DNC has treated him...

...I think he was very restrained in his response to Rachel's loaded question(s).

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Response to SHRED (Reply #115)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:56 AM

118. Prying questions about his campaign, too.

What a tool she turned out to be! She was among the very last I would have expected to sell out her principles.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:06 PM

9. Good I don't want my donations going to establishment Dems.

 

Most are a bunch of DINOs who subscribe to the DLC/Third Way mantra. I donate separately and selectively to progressive Dems I want to support like Lucy Flores, Tim Canova, Pramila Jayapal, and Zephyr Teachout

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:10 PM

17. The post is not about you..

It's about Bernie and his inability or unwillingness to help his "fellow" Democrats.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:12 PM

22. It is about him trying to peddle from his donors

 

To give to the DNC (I am an itemized donor to Sanders). Majority of the DNC establishment are DINOs, at least from the perspective of a progressive.

Nope I don't want my money going to the DNC. I will give my money to the candidates I support.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:26 PM

52. It's about you being clueless about his supporters! Nt

 

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:15 PM

30. Has Sanders helped any of those people?

Someone like Teachout is in a competitive district that is winnable and will need all the help she can get. There is no denying that she is progressive, yet Sanders hasn't lifted a finger to help her out.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM

41. He is locked in a fight of his life...

 

...to secure the nomination for president against the most well oiled political machine of modern times. I'll cut him some slack if he doesn't have the time and energy to devote to helping down ticket candidates at the moment. When he secures the nomination I will fully expect him to support progressives down ticket.

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:58 PM

89. EXACTLY



He will support all Dems if he gets the nomination.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:24 PM

47. get your friends to write her $27

 

dollar checks.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:25 PM

51. Not a bad idea

I can do that.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM

57. That's how he is doing it.

 

Maybe that will help. But I guess you could take the Clooney money, and Goldman Sachs, maybe some fracking money, and private prison money, these are after all, new liberal positions.

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:17 PM

35. I love your candidates!

Do any of you know who GP is even talking about? You gotta get informed!

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:09 PM

14. I'm sure we'll all be happy to help down ticket progressives..

once we defeat Hillary and give a swift kick to her Third Way/New Dem/ Dems for the Leisure Class backers... SO BUG OFF!!!

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:12 PM

24. That's not how it works...

I have a can of Raid for you. I don't understand why you are not upset that Bernie says he may or may not help "other" Democrats. Since he is running as a Democrat.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:42 PM

70. After over two decades of the New Dems/DLC/Third Way types selling us out..

.that is indeed how it is. We are not raising money from the billionaires and Wall Street, and with our limited resources trying to fight the establishment, at this moment we cannot afford to contribute to the very people trying to snuff us out? Makes no sense. We can help one another later.

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #70)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 PM

75. Agreed!

 

They think they can shot progressives in the foot with their New Dem ideology and then they have the audacity to ask us to pay for the bullet.

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #75)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:14 AM

98. Right

that's like Trump building the wall and Mexico's gonna pay for it. Good point.

We get treated like we don't count --and then we're supposed to fund the party that treats us like we don't count.

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IF Bernie gets the nomination, THEN the money will be more available.

Actually this IS how it's been done in the past--money flows to other Dems AFTER the nomination.

For Hillary to have dumped money into the DNC and state races already....well, that's buying votes, basically.

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:15 PM

28. Oh ok...so Sanders must win first...I get it....n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:18 PM

36. it's about time

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM

38. Do you?

Somehow...

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM

18. He must really believe that he doesn't need Congress to pass his agenda

I think he believes that he can issue executive orders to implement his entire platform and completely ignore Congress. There is only so much that can be done with executive orders...

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:13 PM

26. I agree...He can do it alllllll by himself....n/t

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:15 PM

31. We need to defeat Hillary FIRST, before deciding which members of the establishment..

..which is working so hard to support Hillary right now...that we are going to help in November..

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM

39. COATTAILS - how many times do you have to hear it?

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:30 AM

109. He just waves his arms

and wags his finger and poof! It all gets done,

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:18 PM

37. Ask the same of Clinton...if she were in his position, n/t

 

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Response to blueintelligentsia (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:23 PM

46. Hillary has already raised money for other Democrats...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #46)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:14 AM

99. Yes - and how much has actually been disbursed from the Victory Fund

 

And how much is going to any candidate that is not a super-delegate for Hillary?

Interesting eh?

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Response to revbones (Reply #99)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:27 AM

107. Pre-paid doncha know.....

a better return on the investment...

OK everybody thinks it's fine for Hillary and her deep pockets to do this--how do we like it when the Kochs or Art Popes fund their candidates up front to buy states?
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-03/clinton-rakes-in-millions-through-state-channels

Clinton's move last year to lock in fundraising alliances with 33 state Democratic parties has already added $26.9 million to the mountain of hard money she has raised so far, a Bloomberg analysis of Federal Election Commission filings shows. Bernie Sanders, her competitor for the nomination, has inked one such deal, netting a total of $1,000.

The agreements, thanks to a 2014 U.S. Supreme Court decision, make it possible for major donors to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in hard money to a candidacy, amounts far greater than the $2,700 limit on contributions directly to a campaign.

At least 24 donors have given $300,000 or more to the fundraising vehicle, known as the Hillary Victory Fund, including Haim and Cheryl Saban, George Soros and Daniel Abraham, longtime donors to both Bill and Hillary Clinton's political campaigns and the Clinton Foundation. The only other way to make such large contributions is through outside groups, such as super-PACs, which can take unlimited donations but can't coordinate with the candidate.

Under the agreements, the first $2,700 of a contribution goes straight to Clinton's campaign, the next $33,400 to the Democratic National Committee, and the remainder is split evenly across the 33 often cash-strapped state committees. Unlike super-PAC donations, the money can be spent to directly support her campaign on anything from get-out-the-vote efforts to TV ads.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #107)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:29 AM

108. Exactly. I'm so tired of the misleading statements about her raising money for the party

 

Show me the money being spent...

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Response to revbones (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:49 AM

111. "Follow the Money"

ESPECIALLY applies to the Clintons.....

I hate to compare them to the Kochs because after all they are more on our side, but we DON'T like this when the Rethugs do it. It's buying influence. Especially predatory when the state parties are so hard up and campaigns are costing megazillions.

Bernie is creating a more level playing field, and people don't even see the benefits of it. That's how far gone this country is.

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #46)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:06 AM

112. your response? n/t

 

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM

40. Did he say why? Eom

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Response to Jennylynn (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:25 PM

49. No he basically dodged the question...

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM

56. Link or self delete

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:30 PM

60. Watch the interview and see for yourself..like I did...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #60)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:23 PM

136. I should believe you? nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #136)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:41 PM

138. of course..

look at this face would I lie.?

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:33 PM

63. Bernie has always been all about Bernie.

I truly feel for the people who have bought into his act. In reality, though, his whole "independent" schtick has always been about standing out from the crowd and maximizing his leverage. It's never been about principle - only grandstanding and perpetuating his whole act.

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:49 PM

82. His whole life is a lie!!!

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:36 PM

67. He does not have the resources Hillary Clinton has

He is running his campaign from his supporters small donations, not Wall Street and big campaign contributors. He is not doing thousand dollar a plate fundraisers..his priority is and has always been winning the nomination and using his contributions wisely....any reasonable person would understand that he will do whatever he can to help down ticket dems but he needs to win the nomination. It is easier for Hillary because, clearly, she doesn't care where her money comes from and I guess that's okay with her supporters.

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Response to jane123 (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:38 PM

68. He has out raised her a few times. He has the money...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #68)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:04 AM

94. Bernie only has enough money when she goes down in flames...

..and that hasn't happened yet.

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #94)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:05 AM

96. And it won't happen at all...n/t

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Response to jane123 (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:06 AM

97. Ding, ding, ding Jane. You get the prize!

When I asked, "Did he (Bernie) say why? In another post. I already knew his why answer. I wanted to see if anyone would answer it honestly unlike Maddow and her news crew tonight on a different subject. You nailed his answer! Thank you!

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 PM

71. HMM lets see,

Won't give progressive Democrats the time of day or any help to the more progressive Dems running for office. Has done all sorts of things to hinder his campaign and you wonder why most of us progressive dems want little or nothing to do with the DNC? if you are wondering about sources just read the Nation or go thru the Nation archives. I've run a Nation discussion group for 12 years the story about the DNC backstabbing are endless.

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Response to Mbrow (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 PM

76. That's politics for you

He made the decision to run as a Democrat. Bernie has raised alot of money, he brags about it all the time.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 PM

73. Forget the superdelegates. Bernie is doing it right. Just win human sized delegates.

 

Let the supers do whatever they want.

If they decide to reverse the results of the human sized delegates then that's their choice. Voters will take that into consideration in the future.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:44 PM

74. The party doesn't seem to be supporting Bernie so I don't have a problem

with him not supporting them. I imagine he will help out some.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:48 PM

80. But how does that work? He is on the Democratic ticket...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #80)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:55 PM

87. He is running in the democratic party so as to not split the ticket, Bernie has always caucused

with the democrats and been a reliable vote for them. Then there are elected democrats who say they don't know who he is.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:59 PM

91. Hes already raising money for PROGRESSIVES through his example-setting grassroots-funded campaign nt

 

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:00 AM

92. I heard that on XM driving home this evening. I was shocked at the tone he responded with.

 

Sounded pretty arrogant and cocky. I was surprised he said it that way while his campaign tries to woo super delegates.

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #92)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:04 AM

95. Yep the same super delegates him and his supporters hated awhile back..n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:17 AM

102. Sad!

 

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:27 AM

106. Thank goodness for closed primaries.

 

Sanders isn't fit to lead a party he wants to starve to death.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #106)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:07 AM

113. haha we're already being starved to death....n/t

 

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:20 AM

120. Arrogance. nt

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:23 AM

121. Ugh. No wonder he's losing, and ...

... no wonder that NONE of his colleagues have endorsed him.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:40 AM

122. So...

the take away I get from your post is this:

Politics...it's about Party, and Party is about money.

Nothing in there about issues, integrity, record, etc.

Okay.

FYI: I'm a Democrat. I've never, not once, donated money to "the party." My donations all go for candidates. Outside of presidential candidates, most of my donations go to local and state candidates, with, when I can, a bit of money sent out of state to others. Most recently that was Chuy Garcia and Zephyr Teachout.

I'm about issues. I support Democrats who get the issues right.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:41 AM

123. Hillary 08 'raised money for the Party' and yet the campaign ended with a great deal of debt which

 

was paid off by donors. So she raised money to give away to enhance her network of support, spent until she was in the red and then raised more money.
Who actually supported the Party and other candidates? The donors. Who sort of brokered that money? Hillary's campaign. Is that really all that impressive?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #123)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:51 AM

125. yes, brokering donations is what fundraising is. people who think they are too good to

 

engage in that kind of thing are not capable of leading a political party. They are much better suited to being college professors, media talking heads, and backbencher legislators from sparsely populated states.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:52 AM

126. He -- and his supporters have done something amazing. That is their focus

 

Clinton can go to big money fundraisers for herself , and throw some remaining crumbs to other Democrats after she has taken her vig.

But Sanders has had to overcome the resistance of that same inbred crowd, and he has gotten actual grass roots people to fund his campaign.

They (we) are funding HIM and the movement he represents.

If I want to send money to otehr Democrats, that's a seperate decision. Right now the focus is on this primary race.

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Response to asuhornets (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:56 AM

129. Has he ever actually endorsed another candidate? Ever?

 

Even if he doesn't have the money right now, why not use his influence to support other Progressive candidates? We've heard so often at DU how the bully pulpit is the single most effective weapon in his arsenal. So why isn't he using it?
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