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Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:04 AM

Dan Savage Trolls Susan Sarandon Over Suggestion She’d Vote Trump Over Clinton (VIDEO)

Susan Sarandon, a vocal surrogate for Bernie Sanders, joined Chris Hayes on MSNBC last night, and suggested to Hayes that she might consider voting for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton if the choice came down to that.
Said Sarandon:

“I think a lot of people are ‘sorry, I just can’t bring myself to [vote Clinton]’…I don’t know [what I’ll do]. I’m going to see what happens. Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately. If he gets in, then things will really explode. Some people feel that. If you feel it’s pragmatic to shore up the status quo right now then you’re not in touch with the status quo. The status quo’s not working.”

Sarandon’s interview was followed by an interview with Dan Savage, who joined Hayes to talk about the anti-LGBT push by Republicans in the states to repeal rights protections and pass “religious freedom” bills.

But Savage started his segment with an unsolicited response to Sarandon:

“Can I just say I’m for Bernie, or Hillary, or both. Come November I plan to vote for the Democratic nominee whoever it is, because the lesser of two evils is less evil, and I don’t think Donald will bring the revolution.”






http://www.towleroad.com/2016/03/dan-savage-susan-sarandon/


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Reply Dan Savage Trolls Susan Sarandon Over Suggestion She’d Vote Trump Over Clinton (VIDEO) (Original post)
RandySF Mar 2016 OP
Agschmid Mar 2016 #1
JCanete Mar 2016 #2
Armstead Mar 2016 #3
NWCorona Mar 2016 #4
GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #6
NWCorona Mar 2016 #8
CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #10
NWCorona Mar 2016 #12
bettyellen Mar 2016 #15
NWCorona Mar 2016 #17
bettyellen Mar 2016 #19
NWCorona Mar 2016 #20
bettyellen Mar 2016 #21
NWCorona Mar 2016 #22
bettyellen Mar 2016 #25
iandhr Mar 2016 #14
jillan Mar 2016 #26
Mary Mac Mar 2016 #5
jillan Mar 2016 #27
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #7
Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #9
RandySF Mar 2016 #11
iandhr Mar 2016 #13
LostOne4Ever Mar 2016 #31
iandhr Mar 2016 #32
LostOne4Ever Mar 2016 #34
LostOne4Ever Mar 2016 #30
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Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #33
Legends303 Mar 2016 #16
one_voice Mar 2016 #18
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #29
Sunlei Mar 2016 #23
ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #24
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:05 AM

1. He nailed it, she was a joke last night.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:30 AM

2. I think its a pretty provocative question.

 


I love Sarandon, and I really like Dan Savage for that matter. I'm slightly less familiar with him, but he always seems pretty brilliant. I understand the terror of having Republicans in power, and especially those bringing the hate like Donald. I think his response to Sarandon's perspective is a fairly reasonable, but surface level criticism of her point of view. If she, like I do, believes that the two party system is rigged, and that one of the reasons divisive rhetoric is so powerful, is that the two major parties never unite people with the common goal of actually claiming our basic human rights, by wresting consolidated wealth back away from people and industries that have come by it only vaguely legitimately, thus allowing for divide-and-conquer political rhetoric to define the political game, then I think this is a conversation worth having.

Would Donald be a harbinger of revolution? Well certainly not his kind of revolution, and we know Hillary won't be. Is it a risk me, or Sarandon are willing to take? For me, probably not, but the question is always, is the other choice worse.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:31 AM

3. I love free speech

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:42 AM

4. Actually Susan said that she wouldn't vote for Clinton

Not that she'll vote for Trump. She did say that it was a possibility that he'd win and I agree with that.

Regardless of the framing. A non vote for Hillary isn't a vote for Trump.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:51 AM

6. AMEN!

 

Not only are Hillarians so arrogant and smug regarding their own votes they seem to feel they are entitled to force others to vote as they please...

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:58 AM

8. Exactly!

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:00 AM

10. She said, "Trump will bring the revolution" though, didn't she?

 

I can guess that she probably meant this in the spirit of letting Trump destroy America for 4 years to "teach America a lesson about why it needs Bernie's progressivism." Which is a selfish and asinine mentality to have, and sadly typical of the "Bernie or Bust" movement.

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Response to CalvinballPro (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:05 AM

12. Yes she did but she didn't mean in a good way

It's not a "teach America a lesson" It's, change is gonna come. Good/Bernie bad/Trump and we are doing what we can to elect Bernie because we believe Hillary will lose.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:07 PM

15. she fucked up by smiling and laughing when saying "things will really explode"

 

Ain't going to be her things exploding though.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:16 PM

17. Every one has a right to interpret things differently

I felt the laugh and smirk came from the framing by Chris.
That's just me tho.

It's also false to say that Susan or any other rich or depending on the poster, white people, won't feel the effects of a trump presidency. Trust me. He'll fuck up everything!

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:18 PM

19. it was super unfortunate to hear that. if Sanders is allowing her to work on his campaign...

 

and he is, why the hell is she promoting the opposite of what he says? sloppy campaign, entitled bullshit. she will be the last of us to get hurt. she is already super wealthy, donald will protect people like her.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:22 PM

20. I have my criticism of his campaign but I wouldn't call it sloppy

I also don't see Bernie as feeling entitled at all. He's worked very hard to get where he at right now.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:30 PM

21. I agree about Bernie. But she screwed up here, big time. Irresponsible to promote scorched earth

 

"things will really explode" stuff as a good thing.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:33 PM

22. I admit I'm biased but can see both sides to what you are saying.

What I don't agree with is the framing that Susan supports or might even vote for Trump.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:37 PM

25. She played possum about it. It made me think she knows she cannot outright promote what are

 

very different views than those Bernie has already expressed. Because she is (maybe was now) an official surrogate.
But the way she expressed them, with no hint of seriousness and a bit of glee, was fairly disturbing. Detached from the reality of that "explosion" she referred to. Not good.

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Response to CalvinballPro (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:01 PM

14. It is indeed selfish and asinine.

Because she is white and very rich she wouldn't likely suffer any consequences.


Bernie or Bust is the definition of white privilege because POC would fear for the safety if Trump is President.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:39 PM

26. I have to watch it again but I coulda sworn she mentioned Jill Stein.

But facts - what do they matter?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:50 AM

5. it hurts me more that Mary Tyler Moore spends

Her time watching Fox and Bill O Reilly. I've only seen and watched Bull Durham.
What state is Savage from?

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Response to Mary Mac (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:40 PM

27. Oh that makes me sad.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:52 AM

7. Well you got the troll part right anyway.

It's a witch hunt for women who support Bernie, not Trump.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:59 AM

9. How ironic. After his shot at Sarandon, he points out the SC Governor "knifed vulnerable ...

... people for political gain"

Know anyone else who "knifed" LGBT people for political gain?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:04 AM

11. Sanders

Who bailed on marriage equality in Vermont.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:27 AM

13. Yup

But DU is a fact free zone. You aren't allowed to post the truth about Bernie.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:13 PM

31. Yeah, facts like that is a complete fabrication. nt

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:16 PM

32. Really?

He didn't support marriage equality when he ran for the Senate.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:07 PM

34. His record is very clear

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]In the 1970's he wrote a letter saying that all LAWS dealing with human sexual behavior should be abolished:



That kinda includes bans on gay marriage.

In the 1980's he risked his political career getting a gay pride day past in Burlington:









http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/06/30/32-years-before-scotus-decision-sanders-backed-gay-pride-march

He spoke out in defense of gay soldiers!


http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9295867/bernie-sanders-gay-soldiers

He opposed DOMA again risking his political career taking a horribly unpopular position:

http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/25/bernie-sanders-doesnt-remember-domas-passage-same-way-hillary-clinton

He was a major supporter of civil unions (and gay marriage) in Vermont and argued against the SCotUS overturning Mass.'s same sex marriage ruling back when there was talk of passing an anti-Same sex marriage constitutional amendment!

He has always voted in favor of gay rights which is why he has a higher scorecard by both the Human Rights Campaign and the ACLU.

http://www.hrc.org/elected-officials/profile/senate/92#.Vvq8JvkrKUl
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/10/sen-clintons-aclu-score-takes-bit-dive-obamas-stays-about-same
http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_06n-HRC.htm

This in comparison to Hillary who who supported DOMA, who was against SSM until 2013 and even in 2012 capitulated to an imagined attack from fox news on legal forms.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think Hillary was ever REALLY against SSM anymore than Obama was (who was for it in 1996, then against it later when he ran for president and then for it again), but that she was being a political opportunist and didn't care about the issue enough to risk her career over it.

Sanders on the other had, risked his political career time and time again for the LGBTQ community. Hillary can't say that.

Both supported civil unions. Both opposed the anti-SSM amendment, both claimed to support states rights when it protected SSM in mass, and then changed positions on states rights when the SCoTUS legalized it. That is what supporters do, by hook or crook whatever it takes to see love prevail.

But when it came to fighting for gay rights and marriage when it was unpopular, when it meant risking their careers, only one of the two can say they did that. Only one of the two can say they never ever publicly opposed gay marriage.

Sanders.

And this "attempted" Swiftboating of one of the politicians who truly did stand up for LGBTQ+ rights, who risked his career for the community repeatedly is outright sickening. Every single person who knowingly participates in it should be ashamed of themselves.

He risked his career for the LGBTQ community and this is how they treat him?[/font]

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Response to RandySF (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:12 PM

30. Keep on telling that falsehood, maybe one day some poor fool will believe it. nt

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Response to RandySF (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:44 PM

33. .

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:14 PM

16. I also hear this kind of thing from....

suppose it liberal sites that says if Bernie is not he nominee, they are voting for Trump. Youtube and facebook comments in particular. I guess throwing a tantrum is part of the Sander's supporters vent and outrage if he is not the nominee come the convention.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:18 PM

18. This is my position..



“Can I just say I’m for Bernie, or Hillary, or both. Come November I plan to vote for the Democratic nominee whoever it is, because the lesser of two evils is less evil,


I agree with both the candidates on issues. I disagree with both on things. I like things about both, I dislike things about both-on a personal level.

I think the republicans are pure evil. They scare the shit out of me.

I'm glad in GA the bill was squashed. Thanks in part (a lot) to Hollywood--special shout out to The Walking Dead peeps!!!

Get on the ball NC.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:50 PM

29. Anything else is pure insanity and white privilege.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:36 PM

23. I think Senator Sanders needs to dump her or help clarify what she meant- if possible.

Sanders may lose the primary, and I very much doubt he wouldn't back Mrs. Clinton.

It's Republicanoid behavior to wish for a split vote.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:37 PM

24. She never once said that. Typical Clinton spin bullshit.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:46 PM

28. Savage did a good job on this last night

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