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Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:36 AM

 

Is Clinton progressive? Let's look at her positions on issues. How about legalizing marijuana?

Asked if she supports the legalization of marijuana, a simple yes or no question, she resorts to rhetoric.

She says "we need an approach" That's rhetoric folks. Needing an approach is no commitment to anything.

She goes on to say that she thinks it would be ok to let allow the states to act as "laboratories of democracy". What the hell are "laboratories of democracy? So hey, do you support the legalization of marijuana or not?

She hints that she would favor letting the states legalize the use of marijuana without any federal government interference unless (oh oh here's the catch) unless certain federal guidelines are violated. Then the federal government can step in and overrule the states and throw people in her Prisons For Profits. Hello, that's exactly the way it's handled today. So her answer to the question do you support the legalization of marijuana is to keep the status quo.

I can see were the conservative Clinton would be leery of the legalization of marijuana for recreational use because conservatives long have been against the peons having their freedoms. It's her stand on medical use of marijuana that upsets me the most. She thinks it needs more and more and more studies just like Big Pharma thinks, hmmmm. To deny people suffering, the use of a drug that has been "tested" for years and found to be more effective with less side effects than some of Big Pharma's drugs, seems to me to be not empathetic.

There are a lot of sources of her position on marijuana on the intertubes, hell even her CNN wrote this:
"I'm (Clinton) a big believer in acquiring evidence, and I think we should see what kind of results we get, both from medical marijuana and from recreational marijuana, before we make any far-reaching conclusions," Clinton told KPCC in July. "We need more studies. We need more evidence. And then we can proceed."

How is that for rhetoric?

So what is her position? "we need an approach".

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Reply Is Clinton progressive? Let's look at her positions on issues. How about legalizing marijuana? (Original post)
rhett o rick Mar 2016 OP
Scuba Mar 2016 #1
EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #2
vintx Mar 2016 #3
EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #13
appal_jack Mar 2016 #18
EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #19
appal_jack Mar 2016 #20
uponit7771 Mar 2016 #4
dogman Mar 2016 #5
BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #6
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #11
BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #14
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #17
Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #7
Vote2016 Mar 2016 #8
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #9
VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #10
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #12
Onlooker Mar 2016 #15
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #16

Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:46 AM

1. Legalization would put her private prison donors in a financial squeeze, ergo her "approach" ...

 

... would likely be to "look into it." Kinda like her looking into releasing her GS transcripts.












In other words, that's the last you'd hear from her on it.

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:50 AM

2. She's just waiting

For it to be really really really really popular to decriminalize... Then she'll be for it!

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:52 AM

3. PRINCIPLES!

 

Hillary style

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Response to vintx (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:29 AM

13. The only principles she's interested in...

Are her principle investors...

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:55 AM

18. Not to be too much of a grammar nerd, but...

 

Hillary has rather unprincipled principal investors.



-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:44 PM

19. Are you saying...

...her principle principles are principally unprincipled?

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:11 PM

20. That would be "principal principles" my friendly friend. nt

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:54 AM

4. Did she vote to give immunity to corporations? No?!?! Well there it is then

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:56 AM

5. She can not alienate the RW elders.

She may need their votes to replace the LW youth she abandons in her triangulation to win the WH. She has to wait to see where the evidence (really votes) leads.

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:01 AM

6. She should just start saying "fuck off" to questions she doesn't want to answer

on issues she has absolutely no intention of doing anything about. This could also be her standard answer to whether or not she is going to provide the transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:27 AM

11. That's what rhetoric is all about. "I strongly support.......more study". "We should reduce

 

fracking on a couple of pieces of federal lands, phased in over time." "College students should get jobs and states should try really hard to keep tuitions down." "Wall Street should "cut it out" related to bilking Americans out of their homes."

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:35 AM

14. She thinks people are too dumb to realize she has no intention of doing anything

When she starts off down one of her rabbit trails about how we need to consider this and look at that and then one day we might do something, like that pathetic dodge and weave she gave on fracking in one of the Town Hall meetings. The woman who asked the question was so disgusted that she was back in her seat before Hillary finally got to the end of her non answer. And of course, nobody was going to be so impolite to follow up with "So is that what you've been telling governments in other parts of the world on fracking, that they need to set a lot of conditions before proceeding? Is that what you've been telling the oil and gas companies that contribute to your campaign and SuperPacs?"

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:48 AM

17. Her agenda is obvious. She is amassing as much money and power as she can. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:03 AM

7. Who is opposed?

-- Pharmaceuticals
-- Alcohol
-- Private Prison Industry
-- DEA (and any other government agencies whose budget relies on the "WoD"
-- Prison Employee Unions
-- Many (certainly not all) Police Unions

Follow. The. Money.

Think any of those groups are on her donor list?

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:06 AM

8. she's a progressive who gets things (bombing and deregulation and imprisonment) done

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:17 AM

9. and our position on clinton?

We need an approach!!! And evidence!

Thanks!

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:22 AM

10. Empty rhetoric.

She says "we need an approach" That's rhetoric folks. Needing an approach is no commitment to anything.


> This is empty rhetoric. Nothing useful will come of "we need an approach".

She goes on to say that she thinks it would be ok to let allow the states to act as "laboratories of democracy". What the hell are "laboratories of democracy? So hey, do you support the legalization of marijuana or not?


> Is this the Third Way input for "state's rights"?

She hints that she would favor letting the states legalize the use of marijuana without any federal government interference unless (oh oh here's the catch) unless certain federal guidelines are violated. Then the federal government can step in and overrule the states and throw people in her Prisons For Profits. Hello, that's exactly the way it's handled today. So her answer to the question do you support the legalization of marijuana is to keep the status quo.


> Remember when ATF was raiding dispensaries in medical legalized states every other week? I do.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:28 AM

12. They had to justify their budget somehow. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:35 AM

15. Bernie supports medical marijuana, but is otherwise states rights on the issue

 

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He's better than Hillary, but he appears to be pretty silent on the issue in the past. I certainly can't find anything from him prior to his current political campaign. So, given that his base is millennials and Hillary's is older people, both of their stances are politically convenient.

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:46 AM

16. I believe he wouldn't be as heavy handed for federal prosecution of medical marajuana dispensing

 

as Obama has been and Clinton will be.

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