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All upcoming primaries MUST be open primaries! (Original Post) Casandia Mar 2016 OP
Sorry but no. Democrats will choose the Democratic nominee. So far a majority of Democrats have upaloopa Mar 2016 #1
No. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #2
I am calling bs on this one. leftofcool Mar 2016 #3
All these "ZOMG,they changed my party designation!" stories are bullshit. sufrommich Mar 2016 #5
Here's where you can check your voter registration for Kentucky. Casandia Mar 2016 #12
KY initiated online voter registration and changes to registration just this month. March 2016. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #30
If anyone's registration has been hacked that is an entirely unrelated issue to open primaries. DCBob Mar 2016 #4
Then there is no point to having primaries in the first place. randome Mar 2016 #6
The next time Hillary wins an open primary 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #7
Sure, let's allow *REPUBLICANS* to select the next Democratic Party nominee. baldguy Mar 2016 #8
Nope! States get tto set their rules and here in NY you have to join the party to vote in its hrmjustin Mar 2016 #9
Not a chance. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #10
Just cut out the middle man DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #11
I'm torn. Closed primaries make more sense but my candidate does better in open ones. pampango Mar 2016 #13
I like that you're honest about it. KitSileya Mar 2016 #17
States Raissa Mar 2016 #14
I love how some people thing that decisions like this can just be made Trenzalore Mar 2016 #15
Oh ok if you say so! rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #16
Anything on under that sackcloth? randome Mar 2016 #19
Open primaries are subject to right-wing hijinks, so, no Tarc Mar 2016 #18
Yet, as we now see, closed primaries are subject to NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #20
There is no such thing as a "right-wing Democrat", for starters Tarc Mar 2016 #22
No such thing as a right-wing Democrat? NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #24
"DLC", or "New Democrats", are moderates Tarc Mar 2016 #27
Keep telling yourself that. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #28
We do Tarc Mar 2016 #29
Several NC right wing Democrats voted for a bigoted anti gay bill this week. Those days are these Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #31
Which means every solid red state could give all Dem. delegates to O.J. Simpson whatthehey Mar 2016 #21
A Libertarian fever dream. randome Mar 2016 #23
So first a non-Democrat becomes one just to run for president, then his fervent followers ... wyldwolf Mar 2016 #25
NOPE workinclasszero Mar 2016 #26
Let's just anoint Bernie and be done with it. grossproffit Mar 2016 #32
I'm against open primaries and my State rejected the idea in 2014 68.23% against it. I voted against Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #33

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Sorry but no. Democrats will choose the Democratic nominee. So far a majority of Democrats have
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:17 AM
Mar 2016

chosen Hillary and the remaining closed primaries will give here the nomination.

States and counties are responsible for recording voter registrations. They often get things wrong so you have to check before you vote. It isn't fraud and it isn't suppression when they screw up. Suppression is when you have voter ID laws and closings of voting places like in AZ.

Fraud is when voters vote more than once or vote in a state where they do not reside or use another person's ID or when results are reported incorrectly on purpose.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
3. I am calling bs on this one.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:20 AM
Mar 2016

I live in KY and registration is done at the local level. You can not change anything online with your computer.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
5. All these "ZOMG,they changed my party designation!" stories are bullshit.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

Either they're people who didn't change from I to D in time,or more likely,shit stirring to cause paranoia and hysteria when Sanders loses. It stinks of ratfucking.

Casandia

(612 posts)
12. Here's where you can check your voter registration for Kentucky.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:10 AM
Mar 2016
https://vrsws.sos.ky.gov/vic/


Here's hoping your registration is okay.



If something is online, it IS POSSIBLE to be hacked.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
30. KY initiated online voter registration and changes to registration just this month. March 2016.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

It's new. That which is new is prone to launch issues.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
4. If anyone's registration has been hacked that is an entirely unrelated issue to open primaries.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:26 AM
Mar 2016

That would be a serious problem no matter what.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Then there is no point to having primaries in the first place.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:37 AM
Mar 2016

No point to having candidates make their cases known and compete for votes. Actually, no point to political parties at all. We may as well have 300 million candidates for President and see who comes out on top.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
7. The next time Hillary wins an open primary
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:48 AM
Mar 2016

the Bernie supporters will start screaming that we need to close the primaries.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
8. Sure, let's allow *REPUBLICANS* to select the next Democratic Party nominee.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:57 AM
Mar 2016

Who will win? Rod Blagojevich? Anthony Weiner? Certainly nobody an actual Democrat would select.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
9. Nope! States get tto set their rules and here in NY you have to join the party to vote in its
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:00 AM
Mar 2016

primaries.

We are not changing the rules.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
11. Just cut out the middle man
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

Have an open presidential primary and the leading vote getter becomes president. If the leading vote getter doesn't have a majority then there's a run off between the two leading candidates.

No more conventions and party debates.


That's democratic.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. I'm torn. Closed primaries make more sense but my candidate does better in open ones.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:12 AM
Mar 2016

Ideally the members of each party should be allowed to pick their candidate for the general election using whatever criteria they want - most liberal/conservative, most likely to win the GE, most likely to motivate the base, most likely to attract independents and crossover voters, etc.

And ideally this choice should be made in primary elections rather than caucuses since the GE is an election not a giant caucus.

However, it is not an ideal world. My candidate does better in open primaries and caucuses than in closed primaries. Short term I support open primaries; long term closed ones. Consistency thy name is not pampango.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
17. I like that you're honest about it.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:50 AM
Mar 2016

Too many on either side aren't. I am absolutely against caucuses, because they disenfranchise so many. There are some horrific numbers on caucus participation (6.5% in the repub one last time. Primaries, ca 50%) That's a whole heck of dienfranchisement right there.

As for primaries, I think my living in Norway has influenced me a lot. Here, the political parties choose their list candidates, and you have to be a registered member to participate in that process. The idea that unaffiliated people should have a say in who the party leader is or the ranking of the lists is just incomprehensible. Each party makes a list for each county, and the voter can amend the list in the voting booth, re-organizing the order, remove a candidate, or add a candidate from another list. But they have to be an active member of the party to participate in the list-making process or elect the party leader, who will be the party's candidate for prime minister. It makes sense ot me that only those who support the party gets to participate in the decision of who the party's nominee should be.

Raissa

(217 posts)
14. States
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
Mar 2016

And their parties should decide between open or closed IMO. They are in the best position to judge what is best for the party locally.

Democratic elections need to strive for 100% accuracy, but voters should be aware that human error exists and diligently ensure that their own records are accurate.

While I am deeply concerned with gerrymandering and poll access I'm not convinced that designation changes are intentional. They should be investigated, certainly, but I'd like a lot more information before drawing conclusions.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
16. Oh ok if you say so!
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:33 AM
Mar 2016

New York will get right on that. Sorry we didn't realize it bothered you. Let's do it all over and this time Bernie gets a 30 point head start and Debbie Wasserman Schultz has to wear a sackcloth dress on national TV.

What fantasy world do you live in? In mine the unicorns are purple!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Anything on under that sackcloth?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:05 AM
Mar 2016

Sorry! Sorry! You said 'fantasy' and I...I...never mind.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
18. Open primaries are subject to right-wing hijinks, so, no
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:52 AM
Mar 2016

If you want to be in the party, be in the party. Otherwise move on.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
20. Yet, as we now see, closed primaries are subject to
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:15 AM
Mar 2016

BOTH right-wing GOP and right-wing Democratic party hijinks and collusion, so, if you want to be lulled into a false illusion of choice and that's enough "democracy" for you then be in the party and fully support their efforts to steal elections and manufacture results. Otherwise, if you think Democratic elections in America should be one person, one vote, unhindered, don't "move on", fight back.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
22. There is no such thing as a "right-wing Democrat", for starters
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:23 AM
Mar 2016

Those days are long gone.

Second, the problems in Arizona are the fault of the Republicans who narrowed the polling places from around 300 to around 60, and by scores of people who showed up not knowing it was a closed primary.

Join or go somewhere else.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
24. No such thing as a right-wing Democrat?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:44 AM
Mar 2016

Ever heard of the "DLC", or "New Democrats"? Sure you have so obviously you also know your comment denying the existence of right-wing Democrats is complete rubbish. Secondly, you have no power, authority, or superiority to tell me where I can or cannot be.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
27. "DLC", or "New Democrats", are moderates
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:55 AM
Mar 2016

I realize that to a camp that is so far out there that everything looks right-wing, but your view is a distinct and ignorable minority.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
28. Keep telling yourself that.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:59 AM
Mar 2016
“Nothing is so difficult as not deceiving oneself.”
― Ludwig Wittgenstein
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. Several NC right wing Democrats voted for a bigoted anti gay bill this week. Those days are these
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

days. They are not long gone they are still with us. Arizona has had major election issues for years, this recent demonstration of the problems was the worst yet but Arizona has a long and varied voter suppression history. Long and varied. Among the worst in the country in fact.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
21. Which means every solid red state could give all Dem. delegates to O.J. Simpson
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:16 AM
Mar 2016

or whomever else they want to tarnish the party by tying them to us.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. A Libertarian fever dream.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
25. So first a non-Democrat becomes one just to run for president, then his fervent followers ...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:49 AM
Mar 2016

... want anyone to be able to vote for him in the Democratic primaries.

Sorry, no.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. I'm against open primaries and my State rejected the idea in 2014 68.23% against it. I voted against
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:06 AM
Mar 2016

it.

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