Sanders and Warren are too far left and Hillary is too moderate...

[fun n serious]

That is why I am voting for Hillary. She is not as left as I would like but she wouldn't SHOCK the nation ( all of us inc repukes) in a way that would make repukes RISE and have their own revolution making it hard for progressives in the future. Anyone else with me?

[DemocracyDirect]

1. No

[Warren DeMontague]

2. We move toward the middle and the GOP moves even further right.

After several decades of this, our End Zone is now past where the 50 yard line used to be.

[arcane1]

3. Nope. Disagree completely n/t

[fun n serious]

4. Truthfully...

I am super happy with Obama Biden. They are not as left as Bernie and Warren yet more left than Hillary. I want more of the same. Yes! I like the way we are going with the status qua

[Wilms]

6. But what about those for whom the status quo is not working, or worse?

What about war?

[fun n serious]

7. I think the current administration

has been trying to avoid war. You know, sadly, Americans are violent war lovers by nature and by history. We have more gun violence in USA which kills more than terrorism or terrorist. It's who we are. Look back 200 years until now. We have been killing innocent people since we arrived on this land. Change takes generations. I wish it could happen quick but people would go into shock . My opinion anyway

[Wilms]

9. People would go into shock if we stopped practicing regime change?

That doesn't sound right, now does it?

[fun n serious]

11. No no that's not what I mean....

Though.. I don't know.. seems like that has been who we are and have been since we massacred the Native Americans. We're ugly violent people by nature and by history. It's all very sad. If you think Obama is hawkish look at the other HALF of the USA on the RIGHT. Imagine that for a minute.. those people are roughly half of us. Sickens me. I want peace but getting there is complicated and I don't think Bernie could do it. He would just anger people more. If he wins the nomination though.. I would not be mad even if he is not my 1st choice. I am done with anger. I would pray everyday that he is successful.

[Wilms]

22. It isn't complicated. Just "don't do stupid stuff"!

Obama himself said it. But he did it in Libya, Egypt, Honduras, and Ukraine...all at the urging of Clinton.

Now why would you want to vote for that?

[fun n serious]

23. I do not see Obama taking orders from Hillary. I just do not, nt

[Wilms]

24. There's now email showing she twisted his arm with Libya.

As for the rest, I do not know how OK he is with it or not. It reflects poorly on them both. But it's only surprising to me regarding Obama. Hillary digs military solutions.

[fun n serious]

25. I haven't seen the e-mails but Obama doesn't strike me a person who can

be manipulated.

[Wilms]

39. I said, our ME policy does not reflect well on either.

Go look up some articles or just vote for her and forget about it.

[Silver_Witch]

45. You are surprised? Really?

This country was founded by Religious Zealots and you are surprised by their "righteous" destruction of those unlike them? This country has been ruled by the privileged and you are surprised that the poor remain poor.

This country restricted voting to only landowners (who in that day had to be wealthy to own property) - normal people like you and I could not vote (well especially me as I am a woman). And you are surprised that there is corruption in voting?

This country has killed those who do not succumb to the to the dream of "work will reward you with wealth"; "pull yourself up by your bootstraps to achieve". Our Founding Fathers were terrified the the scallywags and rabble.

And so you are surprised and will pick the moderate over hope or growth or evolution to a better America(n). For that I grieve.

[beam me up scottie]

5. No, I'm done settling for what's acceptable to the religious right and tea partiers.

We have a choice this time, why support the most conservative candidate?

[jfern]

8. Bernie polls better in the general election, so he's certainly not too far left

[fun n serious]

13. I think it's because Hillary has been smeared like NO ONE EVER

I mean NO ONE ever has endured the crap she has. Some true but most not.

[jfern]

17. The Washington Post ran 16 hit pieces against Bernie in just 16 hours

And the Hillary campaign has been busy smearing Bernie too. Meanwhile, Hillary is under active investigation by the FBI, and there's a lot more shit that can come out against her.

[fun n serious]

20. I haven't seem Hillary smear Bernie. RE: WAPO

anytime you are a presidential candidate you will get criticism but you can not say his had been equal to Hillary. C'mon.

[jfern]

21. Bill Clinton basically called Bernie a liar

David Brock throws shit non stop. There have been plenty of smears.

[Perogie]

65. If you didn't see it then it must not have happened.

Sounds like what Republicans say when they deny things like Climate change and racism.

[fun n serious]

68. If you're angry and want to fight

go somewhere else. I am not angry. I have nothing but love for you.

[Perogie]

70. Check out where the Republicans used to be

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838

Supporting Unions, Reducing military, Supporting low income housing. This is where the Dems are now.

So to say Hillary is moderate is a joke. Compared to extreme Republicans of today yes she is moderate. Compared to Republicans of the 50's she's to the right of them.

[fun n serious]

72. I agree.

She is left of today's republicans and looks like all democrats are right of 50's republicans.

[EndElectoral]

10. Sanders gets Steinbeck's vote.

[link:|

[Silver_Witch]

46. +10000

[SheilaT]

12. Despite the common wisdom that Hillary is a moderate,

she is not. She's quite conservative. Now if you're happy with her positions and so on, then absolutely vote for her. But don't for one minute mistake her for a moderate, let alone a progressive.

[fun n serious]

14. I disagree and do not see that at all.. nt

[daleanime]

28. Which tells me that you're happy with it.....

I am not. Sorry about that, have a lovely evening.

[GreatGazoo]

15. The average of Sanders + Congress puts us somewhere in the middle

[fun n serious]

16. I hope we change congress. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

18. No.

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. The left has been compromising since Mondale got destroyed.

Look where that got us. No more...

[JonLeibowitz]

51. since Mcgovern really. The New Republic had a great article I read about this (origins of DLC)

https://newrepublic.com/article/130737/democrats-still-dont-get-george-mcgovern

[Lizzie Poppet]

54. Thanks for the link!

[JonLeibowitz]

55. Jesse Jackson had a great line I will be using in the future:

DLC: Democrats for the Leisure Class

[daleanime]

26. They've changed the spelling of 'moderate', it use to be spelled.....

'republican'.

[fun n serious]

29. Maybe they need 4 years of Cruz

so they can see a difference.

[daleanime]

32. So you think the answer to decades of drift to the right.....

is to go further right? God, this country has gone nuts.

[fun n serious]

34. No you said that not me.

You said moderate meant republican, right? Have 4 years of CRUZ and see if you still feel the same. I will vote BLUE no matter who to do my part and prevent that nightmare.

[daleanime]

36. No, I said nothing about Cruz....

that's your strawman. I've held my nose while voting for decades, take a look around, has it done anything good for us? Why should I want to vote for someone who will continue to waste american lives in non-stop wars for corporate profit?

[fun n serious]

37. eh? I am not nor will I ever try to get you to change your mind

If you are not voting blue no matter who that's your right. I'm not mad at you. I want you to do what you think is best for you.

[daleanime]

40. Don't care a bit about myself....

I'm old with a bad heart, but I've got nieces and nephew's. My friends have kids. They need to have a chance for some kind of life, and as long as money is running the system that's not going to happen.

[fun n serious]

41. We disagree..

that's all. I see things a bit different. That's ok though we're all differnet

[Silver_Witch]

47. Cruz is not a Republican

He is a religious zealot fraud - who believes he can trick everyone to think he is Christian...which of course he is not.

The saddest part is that the hatred the Republicans created is so embodied in Cruz that he terrifies even them.

Hillary Clinton is sadly a conservative Christian. She believes that the government has a right to regulate woman's healthcare - and she believes in war - and she believes in American Exceptionalism. She is the true embodiment of what a Republican was when I was a young woman.

Pretending it is not true does not make it false.

[Thinkingabout]

27. More of the same would be great.

[fun n serious]

30. I want more of the same too.

I am very very sad to see Obama go.

[JonLeibowitz]

52. Young people disagree. And they have a lot more of more of the same to "look forward to"

Perhaps your calculations are errant?

[ananda]

31. I consider Sanders and Warren center-left.

They really aren't that far left, thinking in
terms of the capitalist system they both
support.

This shows how far to the right this country
has moved.

[Iliyah]

33. WOW, thank you.

[fun n serious]

35. No. They're hard left.

FOR THE USA.

[JonLeibowitz]

53. Only because the Democratic party acquiesced via the DLC

As a result, the Democrats are afraid of calling out the Republicans for far-right policies, and we've been shifting rightward ever since.

[Meteor Man]

38. Shock and Awe!

We certainly don't wanna move that Overton Window. Let's all roast some Smores over Hillary's kimbaya campfire.

[Voice for Peace]

42. No because that is a choice born of fear.

F.E.A.R.
The great god of our time.
In your plans and thoughts little decisions all day long. Not just you, everyone.
💡
Don't use your imagination so poorly.

It is just as easy to imagine an awesome outcome w Bernie winning:
more progressives winning seats in Congress, and real healthy change happening on a BIG scale.
yes we can have a voice.

[Silver_Witch]

43. Not going to happen for me.

I can no longer stand with the subtle and those full of greed. I will no longer vote the lessor of two evils. I will not be swayed by the many to abandon my hope.

The republicans cannot rise as they are surrounded by hate and fools. Your fear of their revolution are unfounded.

Stay strong and do not fear.

[fun n serious]

44. I don't fear..

He is too left for me and I am not ANGRY. I also respect your right to vote or not vote. Peace

[Silver_Witch]

48. Peace be with you as well...

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We are not fighting my friend. We just see the world quite differently. I grieve that fear has created such a huge split in the Democratic Party. A party I have been with for a very very long time...a party I believed in.

Fear of terror, fear of failure, fear of freedom have driven this wedge between us. Perhaps someday we will find our way.

[fun n serious]

69. I hope so.

For the good of all of us.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

49. Yes, better not upset the GOP by voting for progressives.

Better to settle for somebody that can work with the GOP to move the nation in the right direction.

[Eric J in MN]

50. Typical Republicans would crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary Clinton.

They hate her because she's a symbol of the Democratic Party.

They don't hate Bernie Sanders quite as much because he's not a symbol of the Democratic Party.

[hobbit709]

56. Right of Obama is now "moderate"?

who knew?

[delrem]

58. HRC is a long long way right of Obama.

She said it outright.
The first thing she'll do in office is unite with the Republican Party to invite Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House, to make amends the recent split.

Booyah!!

[hobbit709]

59. Yep. She is no progressive or liberal no matter how many times she says it.

[fun n serious]

60. Yeah, I did not like that at all nt

[fun n serious]

61. I do not want right of Obama.

Obama is right where I want to be...

[hobbit709]

63. I want left of center, Obama is right of center.

[fun n serious]

66. You think so?

I am super happy with what he has been able to accomplish even with the repuke obstruction.

[delrem]

57. Whoa. Deep.

Careful there, you might bite into something substantial.
That'd be a shock!

[Perogie]

62. Is this the first time you'll vote Republican?

[fun n serious]

67. Oh stop it.

I wanted Biden to run.

[highprincipleswork]

64. Not with you in the slightest.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

71. Well, we must spare the delicate feelings of the Republicans or they'll be mean to us.

[fun n serious]

73. No

Obama is where I am at.. He tried to be bi partisan but they would not work with him.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Obama is leaving. Should we pander to the Republicans as a tribute to him?

[fun n serious]

76. No way

Pander right where he is at not to the right of him. I said Hillary was more right than I would like and Bernie is more left than I would like.

[fun n serious]

74. I don't want to DESTROY the democratic party like some here want.

I want us to work together and come to something we can all palette.

[astrophuss42]

77. I don't want to destroy it all

But I can't help but be critical when I've seen it change so much in my lifetime.

[fun n serious]

78. Yes. I agree. God help us.

I saw a fb video just now and it made me cry.

https://www.facebook.com/HyphyDaSpider/videos/1057294844291059/

[Lorien]

79. So were George W. Bush and McCain "moderates" to you?

Because Bernie is the most moderate politician running this year, and Hillary is to the Right of many past GOP candidates.



And what's "moderate" about her positions on:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Pro increased carcinogens in drinking water
Clinton policies lead to the largest mass incarceration of human beings in the history of the world
and the list goes on...


You can ask your boss. I'll wait.

[fun n serious]

82. I like where

Biden is at.. That is my comfort zone.

[fourcents]

80. wrong! sanders and warren are populous right inline with the 90 percent of the nation hillary and the

Media are to the right of the populous.

[quantass]

81. HORRIBLE ARGUMENT. Left == Progressive and has proven throughout history to be what country needed

[Betty Karlson]

83. yawn - more 3rd way debate-framing. Not buying it anymore. eom

[Kalidurga]

84. Too far left?

What positions do either Warren or Sanders have that are too far left? I am to the left of both of them on most issues. So, as far as I am concerned their proposals are a good start, but not the end game.

[merrily]

85. Bernie is to the right of FDR and LBJ, except on war. STNMA

(Shock the nation, my ass)