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Time for change

(13,714 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:57 PM Mar 2016

How Badly Did Voter Suppression in Maricopa County Hurt Bernie in Arizona?

I noted yesterday that in this Tuesday’s Arizona Democratic primary, Maricopa County, the largest county in Arizona, reduced the number of polling places open compared to 2012 from over 200 to 60, and that consequently, people spent entire work days waiting in line to vote, as voting lines stretched for over half a mile. Undoubtedly, many of them had to leave before voting, in order to avoid missing work, which I’m sure many of them could ill afford. The County recorder justified this blatant incident of voter suppression by claiming that “turnout is traditionally low” in Maricopa County.

But I did not make an effort in that post to estimate how much the vote was actually suppressed in Maricopa County and how badly that might have hurt Bernie’s chances in Arizona. The Maricopa County website statistics on Tuesday’s primary sheds some very interesting light on those questions.

That website shows that Clinton won the early voting part of the election in Maricopa County 118,832 to 71,019, over Sanders, a margin of 66.1% to 33.9%. The website also gives the total vote count, which also shows Clinton winning the total vote in Maricopa County, but by a little less. What it doesn’t do is specifically show us the statistics for Election Day voting. No problem. Those can be obtained by merely subtracting the early voting statistics from the total voting statistics.

The Election Day voting, which Bernie won by 19,883 to 12,802, shows us two very significant things. First, that Bernie won the voting on Election Day over Clinton by 60.8% to 39.2% in Maricopa County, quite a difference from the early voting margins. And second, it shows us that Election Day voting in Maricopa County accounted for only 14.7% of the total vote. I find that astounding! I have never heard of a presidential or any other election, where Election Day voting accounted for so low a percent of the total vote. This strongly suggests, in my opinion, that the effects of the voter suppression in Maricopa County were huge. Could it be that only 14.7% of voters who voted intended to vote on Election Day? There are three facts that strongly suggest otherwise. One is the 70% reduction in polling places, resulting in half mile lines that resulted in many people having to stand in line for several hours to vote. Another is the mis-categorization of Democratic voters as independent voters, who were therefore not allowed to vote. And the other is that, if one analyzes the data from the Arizona website, along with information on the overall Arizona data on early voting, one can calculate that Election Day voting in the Democratic primary in the rest of Arizona averaged 59.1% rather than 14.7%.

If one makes the reasonable assumption that in the absence of voter suppression, the Election Day voting percentage in Maricopa County would have been similar to that in the rest of Arizona, that would mean that more than 240 thousand additional voters would have voted on Election Day in the Democratic primary in Maricopa County. And assuming that Bernie’s margin of winning those extra votes over Clinton on Election Day was similar to the Election Day votes that were counted in Maricopa County, that would have meant that Bernie would have lost Arizona by about 2%, rather than by the almost 20% that he actually lost by in the official count. Also, keep in mind that these calculations are somewhat conservative, because they make no assumptions that the voter suppression in Maricopa County was targeted to Sanders areas. But why would anyone bother with voter suppression if it wasn’t targeted for or against a specific candidate? If the voter suppression was targeted to any extent to Sanders strongholds, that means that he probably would have won Arizona in the absence of any voter suppression.

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How Badly Did Voter Suppression in Maricopa County Hurt Bernie in Arizona? (Original Post) Time for change Mar 2016 OP
To repeat and emphasize... dchill Mar 2016 #1
Thank you for emphasizing that. Those are the main points I wanted to get across Time for change Mar 2016 #5
I figured that. My post is intended for people like me... dchill Mar 2016 #8
Wow I had no idea of the actual numbers. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #31
Here's what really stinks... dchill Mar 2016 #47
Much less than 14%, since they called it so early. flor-de-jasmim Mar 2016 #52
There Neeeds to be Legal Action Taken To "Bring The DNC to Heel!" CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #54
K&R n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #51
Thank you. Good reporting. Appreciate it. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #2
Thank you Time for change Mar 2016 #7
She FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #3
The only way to know who was hurt is to know how those who intended to vote and did not upaloopa Mar 2016 #4
If that was true Time for change Mar 2016 #13
Well it isn't an exact science. upaloopa Mar 2016 #35
repugs were rehearsing for November. brush Mar 2016 #41
You are correct, and thank you for caring lostnfound Mar 2016 #21
Wow! paulthompson Mar 2016 #6
Thank you Time for change Mar 2016 #10
Yes, but... paulthompson Mar 2016 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #9
Thank you, Uncle Joe Time for change Mar 2016 #17
I personally know three people who weren't allowed to vote, who were Bernie supporters. AzDar Mar 2016 #11
IMO they are suppressing the vote in anticipation of the GE. morningglory Mar 2016 #12
You may be right Time for change Mar 2016 #16
OR someone might care if Bernie or Hillary wins the primary... Chezboo Mar 2016 #39
Yes, it's voter fraud. And it was on purpose. Zira Mar 2016 #14
Actually it would be election fraud... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #24
thank you, correct. Zira Mar 2016 #48
So back in 2012 when the vs law was enacted, Sanders would have been expected to run in 2016, misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #15
First, I'm not blaming Hillary for this Time for change Mar 2016 #19
I believe it took place in 2012. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #28
Early voting 7% under 30; 41% over 65. pat_k Mar 2016 #18
My point is not that Clinton won the early voting Time for change Mar 2016 #20
Absolutely. There's no doubt given the demographic difference... pat_k Mar 2016 #25
So the Clinton campaign would have been able to influence the County Clerk? RandySF Mar 2016 #29
Re-read my post. I explicitly said... pat_k Mar 2016 #45
Hillary has no stain on her victory. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #33
Yep. It's the voters fault that voting was so difficult on election day. pat_k Mar 2016 #46
No. Bernies own campaign should have done their homework misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #55
Great job. Nt lostnfound Mar 2016 #22
Strongly recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #23
It probably hurt Hillary more. RandySF Mar 2016 #26
I think that many Latino voters for Hillary DesertRat Mar 2016 #43
K and R highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #27
Not that astounding. Most people nowadays vote early, absentee, etc. You avoid lines, illness,, Hoyt Mar 2016 #30
You probably don't even realize... dchill Mar 2016 #56
I realize people nowadays are pretty dumb putting off voting until the last minute when they Hoyt Mar 2016 #57
It's their right. dchill Mar 2016 #58
Most places you can vote at a precinct weeks before the last day, you can carry your absentee ballot Hoyt Mar 2016 #59
knr Thanks! nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #32
The real problem... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #36
Well this certainly backs up your theory... Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #37
Interesting numbers paulthompson Mar 2016 #40
yes, indeed Time for change Mar 2016 #44
Possibly two problems? paulthompson Mar 2016 #38
Do you have stats on Trump supporters who couldn't vote? DesertRat Mar 2016 #42
I don't disagree with that Time for change Mar 2016 #60
the real purpose of all the speculation from the BS camp is insinuate that Hillary camp used dirty Jitter65 Mar 2016 #49
That is not my purpose Time for change Mar 2016 #50
Per the Des Moine Register editorial after the Iowa caucuses, something smells in the Dem Party. merrily Mar 2016 #53
K & R bkscribe Mar 2016 #61

dchill

(38,422 posts)
1. To repeat and emphasize...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:04 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie won the voting on Election Day over Clinton by 60.8% to 39.2% in Maricopa County, quite a difference from the early voting margins. And second, it shows us that Election Day voting in Maricopa County accounted for only 14.7% of the total vote. I find that astounding! I have never heard of a presidential or any other election, where Election Day voting accounted for so low a percent of the total vote. This strongly suggests, in my opinion, that the effects of the voter suppression in Maricopa County were huge. Could it be that only 14.7% of voters who voted intended to vote on Election Day?

dchill

(38,422 posts)
8. I figured that. My post is intended for people like me...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

who get bleary-eyed with the miles of fine print that need to be sifted through every day in the world of election "shenanigans."

PufPuf23

(8,741 posts)
31. Wow I had no idea of the actual numbers.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

I figured that Clinton was favored by early votes but had no idea by how much the election potentially shifted the results in favor of Clinton.

I am pretty convinced that the GOP would rather have Clinton than Sanders in the general POTUS election.

dchill

(38,422 posts)
47. Here's what really stinks...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

The media were somehow able to "project" the winner with a small % of the vote in, a count that already included the known Clinton early vote advantage, and yet only 14% of Maricopa County had even voted. This "projection" happened while people were in line at the 60 available polling places. The "winner's" victory speech also took place while people had not yet voted. Less than 14% had voted!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
54. There Neeeds to be Legal Action Taken To "Bring The DNC to Heel!"
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:28 AM
Mar 2016
Do not be surprised if the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz is slapped with a suit on this.

To reflexively blame the Republicans misses the point of why votes would be suppressed in such a multi-faceted attack. The voter registration alteration issue is part of it as well as the limited ACCESS on election day. State Election Officials erecting additional barriers for COUNTING provisional ballots... Who is in charge here? WHO does this help? Think about it... Most assuredly, the information available indicate that this ELECTION FRAUD is systemic and is not isolated to just one state... including those upcoming!

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. The only way to know who was hurt is to know how those who intended to vote and did not
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:20 PM
Mar 2016

planned to vote.


Anything else is conjecture

brush

(53,722 posts)
41. repugs were rehearsing for November.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

They don't care if it was Bernie or Hillary supporters who had to wait hours in line.

They needed to see it their plan would work.

And btw, this closing of all those polling places only came about because the Supreme Court gutter the voting rights act in 2013. Before that, Arizona would have had to get federal approval to close polling places, something not likely to have been granted.

This is the first presidential election since Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and the rest of the right wingers on the court gutted voting rights.

lostnfound

(16,159 posts)
21. You are correct, and thank you for caring
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

We all care about voter disenfranchisement. Because we are all Democrats.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
6. Wow!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016

Nice work. Those are some stunning numbers.

It's a shame journalists aren't noticing these same things and publishing them in Arizona newspapers. Maybe you should try contacting some journalists with these numbers?

One thing I feel probably isn't well known enough is just how populous Maricopa County is. It has 4 million out of the 7 million people in Arizona. So screwing with that one county could drastically effect the results of the entire state.

You might want to look into Pima County too. It seems there were a lot of problems there too, including not enough polling places.

Something I'd like to know: has it been reported just how many people cast provisional ballots? And will those get counted, and if so, when? I figure a lot of the dramatic difference between the election day voting numbers in Maricopa County compared to other counties is because so many people who were legitimately registered as Democrats were forced to use provisional ballots.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
10. Thank you
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

In my post from yesterday I included a link that talked about people who were mis-categorized as independent voters and told that they therefore could not vote. They were given provisional ballots but told that the provisional ballots would not be counted because the system listed them as an independent voter.

http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
34. Yes, but...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, but how many of those people are there?! It's been a few days since the election. Certainly someone must know by now how many provisional ballots were cast. What is that number?! Which official could be asked who would know?

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
12. IMO they are suppressing the vote in anticipation of the GE.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

Maricopa is the biggest county. Mostly Latino population; have them wait outside in a loooong line and lots of them will go away. Republican-run state. They don't care if Bernie or Hillary wins the primary.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
16. You may be right
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

But regardless of who's doing it, the effect is the same.

Though Arizona is Republican run, do you know the party affiliation of the person in Maricopa County who was responsible for reducing the number of polling places?

I will also say that I don't believe that the Republicans don't care who wins the Democratic nomination. Bernie has much more favorability ratings than Hillary, and he does better in head to head competition against all the major Republican candidates.

Chezboo

(230 posts)
39. OR someone might care if Bernie or Hillary wins the primary...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

there were reports of the Sanders' State database being hacked the weekend before the primary. I haven't heard any complaints from Clinton people being told at the polls that their affiliations were changed when the tried to vote. I would really like to know.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
14. Yes, it's voter fraud. And it was on purpose.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

And if Hillary wins after so much blatant voter suppression I will always believe she won by fraud.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
24. Actually it would be election fraud...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

...not voter fraud. Voter fraud is a bugaboo of the right wing, who seem to think that all Democrats vote at least twice, even though study after study has shown extremely miniscule actual incidents of such fraud. In fact, it is generally Republicans who get caught at it (e.g. Ann Coulter for one example).

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
48. thank you, correct.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

And I have great respect for Noam Chomsky, whom you quote in your sig line

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
15. So back in 2012 when the vs law was enacted, Sanders would have been expected to run in 2016,
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016

..in order to have specifically target him for vs.
Did Bernie make it known to AZ, back in 2012 that he would be a probable candidate?

Agree that AZ has a serious problem with the severe cut in polling places & with attention perhaps it will be taken care of by the GE.

However, I don't believe there is any way possible that AZ changed their State/county voter rules when they heard sanders was a competitor.
That's a big stretch.

Isn't it just something the campaign handlers do when gotv, is to know the State Voter rules ahead of time & inform your voters?

It was bernies campaign that dropped the ball on the Indy voter rule, & Hillary gained a lot by early voting. Another thing his campaign managers should have found out as to the rules of the State.

To blame his own campaign's lack of informing themselves on Hillary is absurd & underhanded.

Where was bernies campaign staff prior to the AZ vote.
They should have known that each State has differrent rules. This.a major campaign afterall.



Hopefully this attention has put AZ in the spotlight & more polling places will be added for the GE.
This is the only unfair voting practice to address.
The rest was the fault of bernies own campaign
Hillary did not cause sanders AZ problem.




Time for change

(13,714 posts)
19. First, I'm not blaming Hillary for this
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

Second, I don't know what you mean by a change in voter rules. I didn't say anything about a change in voter rules in my OP, unless you're considering cutting the number of polling places in Maricopa County as a change in rules

I don't know how long it takes to cut the number of polling places, and I don't know when this decision was made. I do know that changes such as that are sometimes made very close to elections.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
28. I believe it took place in 2012.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

Not certain but it was a midterm year.
Republicans have manipulated voter rules, like closing polling places, in many red states, counties.

There needs to be some house cleaning done, & loudly calling out such broad & blatant suppression is a good start. We need folow through along with it.

Apologies.
I've read too many statement that blame Hillary for how AZ's Indy vote is handled.

For the moment, the RW dirty deeds must be kept in the humiliating spotlight.
Thanks

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
18. Early voting 7% under 30; 41% over 65.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

According to http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/what-does-early-vote-say-about-who-will-do-well-n543641 :

Of the 297,714 voters who [had] already cast their ballots... Voters under 30 account[ed] for only 7 percent of Democratic early voters compared to 41 percent for the over 65 crowd.


So, younger voters... generally Sanders voters, were way underrepresented in early voting. The big skew between early and election day voting is totally unsurprising.

I do not attribute this to the Clinton campaign. But the demographics were well known in advance, as was the differential effect of making it so difficult to vote on election day. For anyone in the "election business" to claim ignorance is just absurd.

I wouldn't think Clinton would want such a stain on her victory. The right thing to do would be to call on election officials to open up "late voting" by mail to enable those who were prevented from voting on election day to get their vote on record. I wouldn't expect doing this to result in a Sanders win, but it could make a difference in in delegate allocation. (Election day voting -- and "late voting" if allowed -- would still be a much lower percentage to total registered Dems. I believe about forty percent of registered dems voted in advance. An overall turnout of 80% would be incredibly unlikely.)

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
20. My point is not that Clinton won the early voting
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

My point is that Election Day voting was grossly suppressed, and that that hurt Bernie.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
45. Re-read my post. I explicitly said...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

... I don't think Clinton's campaign had anything to do with it. It was a county decision. But she clearly benefited, and knows this. I wouldn't think she would want the stain on her victory and....

See post.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
33. Hillary has no stain on her victory.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders campaign should have know about the AZ regs & made certain his demographic was well informed.
Perhaps a tweet would have sufficed. Considering .

Hillary has nothing to feel but proud the her heavy campaigning in AZ won her the State.

I don't know why Sanders insists this is about Hillary at all.
Its not.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
46. Yep. It's the voters fault that voting was so difficult on election day.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

They should have "known better" than to try to vote on an election day. Idiots.

Yep. That's it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
55. No. Bernies own campaign should have done their homework
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

Knowing this was a red state & that voter suppression is a predictable problem, they could have made some noise earliy on to inform voters .
Making noise is one thing the sanders camp is so good at. Why did they wait till after the fact to do so.

First of all, Hillary had nothing do to with AZ suppression.
Sanders camp ignored looking at the regs of AZ & the result was what it was.
The Republicans in AZ are to blame. As is typical of all voter suppression in any state.

Finding out the voter rules in your state is pretty much what one does before they decide to vote.

Camp bernie should have the forsight to check each state since one is not the same as the other.

This is not the first time sanders has ever campaigned.

This is what happens when ya don't bother to find out State voter regs.
Its bernie sanders own fault.
His team dropped the ball. They should have filed complaints long before the voting took place if they disagreed about AZ laws.
Not when its over & done.

Hopefully something will be changed by the GE.



DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
43. I think that many Latino voters for Hillary
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

may have been prevented from voting, especially as the day went on and the lines grew longer.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. Not that astounding. Most people nowadays vote early, absentee, etc. You avoid lines, illness,,
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

weather, etc. Some people may have left or were shut out, which is deplorable. Hopefully folks have learned a lesson and won't make that mistake again.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
57. I realize people nowadays are pretty dumb putting off voting until the last minute when they
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

can do it by mail, even on-line in some states, and avoid all the things listed above.

dchill

(38,422 posts)
58. It's their right.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

Many don't trust voting by mail. Me, I don't trust any voting method, but I intend to vote at my local precinct. It's my right.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
59. Most places you can vote at a precinct weeks before the last day, you can carry your absentee ballot
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:00 PM
Mar 2016

to the registrar, etc. I'll bet the day is coming where we will have very few polling places. It's expensive, you have to train people to work one or two days a year, too many opportunities for errors, inefficient, etc.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
36. The real problem...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

Is that those in AZ (and elsewhere see, e.g., New York) think that such flagrant attempts at election fruad would not only go unnoticed but unreported and uncontested! The political party officials think we are so complacent and stupid that we the people would not fight back.

I hope that those that facilitated this rash of election fraud are pooping their pants worrying that they will be caught and brought to justice... but I won't hold my breath.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
37. Well this certainly backs up your theory...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

edited for weird comma placement and typo of 113'00 which was 113,807 in the chart---

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4blzpp/arizona_is_a_massive_fraud/

Some polls give a 60% to 40% Bernie victory (http://justicegazette.org/az-sanders-wins-real-vote-while-clinton-wins-rigged-count.html) ! It is almost as if the results have been completely flipped !

Nobody will make me believe that the crazy long lines in Maricopa County were only comprised of 32,000 voters (see great reply by puppuli further down: https://redd.it/4blzpp) !
In Maricopa County in the 2008 democratic primary, there were 113807 votes at the polls, in 2016 only 32,949, which is a turnout difference of -71% !

In Pima County in the 2008 democratic primary, there were 72,863 votes at the polls, in 2016 only 19,801 which is a turnout difference of -73% !

Can you still believe that this change in turnout is possible, despite the record long lines ?

It has been published that there has been are only 32,000 votes cast in Maricopa. If this is true, why did it take 5 or 6 hours to vote for most people ? In 2008 there were 113,807 votes cast on the primary day in Maricopa with 200 polling stations and it lasted not more than 15 minutes to vote. Yesterday, it was officially announced that there were 32,000 votes cast in 60 polling stations. More or less 3.5 times less votes and also 3.5 times less polling stations. But why was then the waiting time in the line to vote more than 5 hours long ? This means the waiting time was 20 times longer than in 2008 for the same number of votes cast per polling station ! This defies logic ! The only rational explanation is that there were much more voters than these 32,000 and that their vote has not been accounted for.



paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
38. Possibly two problems?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

I'm guessing there could be two main problems going on.

First, there's the ridiculously small number of polling places in Maricopa County. Not only did it go down from 200 to 60 for this election, I heard it was over 300 in the election prior to that. That definitely has to be the fault of the Republicans. They've been trying to limit the number of voters in all the areas they control across the U.S. for years now, because it's well know that high voter turnout favors Democrats. In this case, we know the exact person to blame, and she's a Republican.

But then there's the second problem of people who have been registered voters for many years showing up on election day and finding out they weren't registered, or were registered as Republicans or indendents or something else. So far that's just adecotal, but there's tons of it, enough for the Arizona newspapers to be reporting on it as a credible trend. I heard one account of a witness who said it happened to more than half of all people showing up at their polling place!

I have no way of knowing at this point, but it seems to me that could be the fault of Republicans or Democrats. If that happened on a wide scale, how did it happen and who's behind it? I honestly have no idea, but it couldn't have just happened by itself. Some people have claimed that they checked their registration very recently, only to have it be different on election day. So it seems possible that someone did something very sneaky and deliberate at the last minute.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
42. Do you have stats on Trump supporters who couldn't vote?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

This is an unusual election year. Trump is very popular in this state, and had a massive outdoor rally in Maricopa Cnty 3 days before the election which also received wall to wall tv coverage here, and fired up a lot of people to try to vote for him.

I wonder if the GOP was coordinating to limit voters for Trump in this very red county? I haven't read a thing about GOP voters. ??

I think that the voter suppression hurt everyone (not just supporters of Bernie or Hillary) who went to the polls that day.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
60. I don't disagree with that
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

I haven't looked into the numbers regarding the GOP candidates, as I am not much interested in those primaries.

That is not to say that I don't think that voter suppression targeted at Trump wouldn't also be a travesty of our democracy.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
49. the real purpose of all the speculation from the BS camp is insinuate that Hillary camp used dirty
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

tactics to win AZ. It doesn't matter how many disclaimers are given. Once the innuendo and allegations are out their it becomes firmly planted in peoples' minds that Hillary probably used underhanded tactics to win AZ and by extension any other race she might win.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
50. That is not my purpose
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

My purpose, which I have tried to make clear in other posts, and will continue to try to make clear, is that Bernie is a much more viable candidate than our national news media makes him out to be.

His favorability rating is +7.4 percent, compared to Hillary's -13.2 and negative favorability ratings of all the Republican candidates. In head to head poll competition against the Republican candidates he beats them all, and better than Hillary does. Yet, there are many people who won't vote for him in the Democratic primaries because they believe our national news media's fairy tale that he is unelectable and that Hillary is the inevitable nominee anyhow. He is NOT unelectable. I want to to get that message out.

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