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Hillary sending out misleading letters to Sanders caucus goers in WA State (Original Post) Chezboo Mar 2016 OP
Ratfuckery at its depressingly most expected. djean111 Mar 2016 #1
ITS NOT HAPPENING MFM008 Mar 2016 #81
But their camp and UglyGreed Mar 2016 #2
share this on facebook, peeps nt grasswire Mar 2016 #3
Thats why Hillary is quite comfortable having David 'smear-rodent' Brock Segami Mar 2016 #4
What makes her think we want a sneaky President? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #5
Not only that Politicalboi Mar 2016 #57
Exactly right. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #61
A lot is wrong with her. She simply 840high Mar 2016 #83
Jesus! Punkingal Mar 2016 #6
I didn't get this - or anything - telling me where to caucus LisaM Mar 2016 #11
I agree with you that skepticism is useful NWCorona Mar 2016 #25
Ah, thanks, news to me. I've received lots of stuff from her over the years LisaM Mar 2016 #33
We gotta wait and see for sure NWCorona Mar 2016 #38
It could also - very easily - be a GOP trick. LisaM Mar 2016 #46
That was something that I thought of as well NWCorona Mar 2016 #48
Fyi NWCorona Mar 2016 #49
Interesting comments on the 'Washington State For Bernie Sanders' fb Chezboo Mar 2016 #43
NO DOUBT! I Went To The Link! No Tactic Is TOO Nefarious For The Clinton Campaign! CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #69
Go ahead and defend this Hilarians. NowSam Mar 2016 #7
ITS NOT HAPPENING MFM008 Mar 2016 #82
Because those who support her are aware of all her trickeries, yet choose to look the other way insta8er Mar 2016 #8
I am not aware of any trickeries. The only time I hear of them is when some upaloopa Mar 2016 #16
Ignorance must be bliss.... insta8er Mar 2016 #27
Is this a legitimate letter??! nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #9
Good thinking. Gregorian Mar 2016 #13
"Question EVERYTHING"!!! hey Gregorian nc4bo Mar 2016 #18
This is where I got it from: Chezboo Mar 2016 #21
second video UglyGreed Mar 2016 #29
Oh shit. Nasty campaign tactic. Candidate should not be POTUS. Stamped: Unsuitable. nc4bo Mar 2016 #36
I don't believe so. It is not her salutation nor is it her campaign letterhead. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #37
It better not be! In fact, it better not even be affiliated with her PACs either. nc4bo Mar 2016 #39
I'll wait for this to get sorted out before I comment more, but I agree. Agschmid Mar 2016 #41
This has Karl Rove written all over it. Probably loaned to Clinton by the Bush Crime Family. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #10
... Agschmid Mar 2016 #14
The motto of the Wealthy 1% is "the ends justify the means". They don't like to lose. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #67
Rove, Brock, same thing. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #40
True. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #66
Do you SERIOUSLY believe that the Clinton campaign would INTENTIONALLY misdirect people... brooklynite Mar 2016 #12
Hillary lies UglyGreed Mar 2016 #17
PROVE that the money influenced her. kristopher Mar 2016 #42
Here you go: Lorien Mar 2016 #73
Here too: Lorien Mar 2016 #74
Oh, and lookie here: Lorien Mar 2016 #75
I'm sure the campaign just "misspoke." nt noamnety Mar 2016 #20
It would be responsible to give voters information they need to confirm the location themselves. RedCappedBandit Mar 2016 #55
Sadly, I think they do believe it. LisaM Mar 2016 #58
Yes, I do. stranger81 Mar 2016 #62
Hell yes she would Lorien Mar 2016 #72
This woman will NEVER get my vote, EVER .... (eom) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #15
Donald Trump will be thrilled to hear that. Or Ted Cruz Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #53
Get a new line. This doesn't 840high Mar 2016 #84
I'm 100% behind Bernie... MoonchildCA Mar 2016 #19
My first thought too......nt pkdu Mar 2016 #79
Enough said NWCorona Mar 2016 #22
Hillary better fire David Brock All in it together Mar 2016 #31
Well its becoming obvious why the democratic party didn't go after Bush's stolen election arikara Mar 2016 #23
It's also becoming obvious that the leadership of *that* "Democratic" party Lorien Mar 2016 #71
"It's not personal, It's just business" AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #24
And they continue to ask with wide-eyed wonder, why we are so disgusted with Hillary == DUH pdsimdars Mar 2016 #26
Every single state it's something else! Have you noticed that? The crap they pulled in Az was unreal jillan Mar 2016 #28
but but she always tries to tell the truth!! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #30
She'll never be seen as honest or trustworthy Kittycat Mar 2016 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #34
This Sanders supporter says this is bullshit. Her salutation is "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and that is Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #35
If this letter really comes from her campaign sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #44
I saw it on Facebook. This shit is too funny. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #45
Color me skeptical Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #47
Lie, Cheat and Steal : Clinton Family Values. AzDar Mar 2016 #50
Clinton has yet to be caught lying cheating or stealing. My guess, we will find it is a Sanders seabeyond Mar 2016 #56
Soliciting for your wife at the polls Politicalboi Mar 2016 #64
Nu uh. Lol. seabeyond Mar 2016 #65
It's Not Too Late To Support Bernie, So You Wouldn't Look Silly, Blindly Supporting Crooks... AzDar Mar 2016 #68
If true, they are breaking voting laws. Where is the due process? nt ladjf Mar 2016 #51
Either an errror in the mailing or a joe job Tarc Mar 2016 #52
In the Republican Convention of 1860, Republicans used fraud to ladjf Mar 2016 #54
She's really pulling Republican-style dirty tricks. It's shameful and I'm ashamed of her. Zen Democrat Mar 2016 #59
How interesting, in that eye roll kind of way. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #60
Regardless of where the letter came from Mike__M Mar 2016 #63
Wow, she really is a ruthless lowlife Lorien Mar 2016 #70
I got an email from her campaign that let me enter my address radical noodle Mar 2016 #76
When is the Hillary group going to protest this stuff with KPN Mar 2016 #77
She can't win without cheating. Stay tuned for more shenanigans. nt GoneFishin Mar 2016 #78
another troll MFM008 Mar 2016 #80
Not just misspeaking, now she's misswriting too 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #85
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Ratfuckery at its depressingly most expected.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:10 PM
Mar 2016

Always thought it was only the GOP that would do that.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
2. But their camp and
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:10 PM
Mar 2016

supporters are the honest ones..........it's those damn BernieBros who were at one time Obama boys and are most likely HillaryHenchmen........

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
4. Thats why Hillary is quite comfortable having David 'smear-rodent' Brock
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

close to her and her team......'lying justifies the end results' is a major staple of the Clinton candidacy road to victory.


Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
5. What makes her think we want a sneaky President?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

What is wrong with her? Does she think we wouldn't hear about these things?

She must've thought Nixon was really cool, because she sure is imitating him.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
57. Not only that
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

They want us to support her in the end. So what if they cheated us out of a Bernie presidency, we have to be good Dems and take it and vote for her.

Every time they are caught cheating, remember, they're cheating on YOU, and then they want your support.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
61. Exactly right.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016

It's an abusive relationship, in which they act like we're idiots.

I don't think we have "SUCKER" stamped on our foreheads.

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
11. I didn't get this - or anything - telling me where to caucus
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

and I'm a paid member of my local district Democrats. It was also very difficult to find out where the caucuses were even being held.

Without saying definitively that this didn't happen, I'd probably look into it a little more. The number given is the number for the Washington State Democratic party and I would be very surprised if they were sending out mailers for a particular candidate.

Another clue - Hillary doesn't use "Hillary Clinton" - she uses "Hillary Rodham Clinton".

Call the number on the letter and see if it's legit. Again - I'm not opining either way, but I'm not going to take this at face value either.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
25. I agree with you that skepticism is useful
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:32 PM
Mar 2016

But I'd like to also point out that she recently dropped Rodham.

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
33. Ah, thanks, news to me. I've received lots of stuff from her over the years
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

and it always had "Rodham" included.

I'd still take this FB post with a grain of salt, since I've donated both to Washington District Dems and to her (though not to her yet this cycle) and I did not receive any such mailer.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
38. We gotta wait and see for sure
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

Others in the comments are saying that they got one as well.

It's just weird as even though I'm for Bernie. I know that Hillary is smarter than this... I hope!

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
46. It could also - very easily - be a GOP trick.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:12 PM
Mar 2016

For one thing, I think the campaigns targeted a lot earlier. The affidavits were due a full week ago. This seems more typical of what I've seen from the Cruz campaign than anything.

I honestly don't believe the official campaigns of Clinton or Sanders would do this.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
48. That was something that I thought of as well
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

It's to sloppy with the paper trail.

If it got serious it shouldn't be hard to find where it came from if these were sent in volume .

Chezboo

(230 posts)
43. Interesting comments on the 'Washington State For Bernie Sanders' fb
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)

page where others are posting that they received a letter also... a curious one from a Melinda Schori reads: I got mine yesterday,haven't opened.it When my husband came home from work he saw the letter on the table and said,she's targeting women over 45....

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
69. NO DOUBT! I Went To The Link! No Tactic Is TOO Nefarious For The Clinton Campaign!
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

Is this the character and Integrity that I want in my President? NOPE!

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
82. ITS NOT HAPPENING
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

Im even signed up for stuff for her campaign and I have received NOTHING from her about the election, I have recieved pro Sanders stuff in the mailbox. I call fraud on this,

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
8. Because those who support her are aware of all her trickeries, yet choose to look the other way
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

when it is targeted at others. You wouldn't believe the uprising if it was the other way around, I am sorry but some people seem to be defunct of any morals.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
16. I am not aware of any trickeries. The only time I hear of them is when some
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie supporter claims things like Hillary cancelling Bernie rallies or Hillary changing voter registrations ect.

What does amaze me is that even though Bernie has no path to the nomination and he is collecting more money than Hillary, her campaign would spend precious dollars on an activity that would not change the outcome of the primaries one bit.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
13. Good thinking.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

I hate being a sucker. But I often forget to be scientific in approaching answers. I guess we'll find out if it's authentic or not.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
18. "Question EVERYTHING"!!! hey Gregorian
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

I sometimes get tripped up from time to time, we all do......we're humanbeings.

I'd really like to know if it's legit or not because if it is..................


Chezboo

(230 posts)
21. This is where I got it from:
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:29 PM
Mar 2016
&feature=youtu.be


Published on Mar 24, 2016
Petition link and blog sources below, click SHOW MORE: Bernie Sanders voters in New York, Wisconsin, and other upcoming states started double checking their voter registration after the Arizona debacle and some are reporting they have been removed from their state's roles. Additionally, voters in upcoming Washington caucus have reported to me they have received Hillary Clinton campaign letters misdirecting them to the wrong caucus location. All of this indicates red flags for possible systemic and deliberate voter purging. Sane Progressive gives suggestions for voter and campaign action. Heads up.
Petition to Bernie Sanders Requesting Immediate Action on Election Rigging:
https://www.change.org/p/bernie-sande...
Example of Clinton Letter Misdirecting Voter to Wrong Caucus Location from Facebook (I received two other personal reports from people telling me they received the same type of letters, if you are in Washington and receive a letter from the campaign misdirecting you to the wrong polling place, save it as evidence and report to Sanders campaign):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...
Blog with Election Issues Documented by State including Arizona:
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/
Sane Progressive Video on Data Breach that Occurred Last October:
...
(this includes sources in video description about NGP Van and their connections to Clinton White House & Wasserman Schultz)
Category
News & Politics
License
Standard YouTube License

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
36. Oh shit. Nasty campaign tactic. Candidate should not be POTUS. Stamped: Unsuitable.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:52 PM
Mar 2016

And that ^^shit up there^^ is what makes REALLY FUCKING DIFFICULT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!

My jesus, a snake couldn't slither any lower.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
39. It better not be! In fact, it better not even be affiliated with her PACs either.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:55 PM
Mar 2016

Because that's some seriously jacked up mess Luminous.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
12. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that the Clinton campaign would INTENTIONALLY misdirect people...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

...using a PAPER DOCUMENT that would exist as proof?

It couldn't possibly be that, out of hundreds of thousands of voters, the information in the database could be incorrect?

It has to be a conspiracy?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
42. PROVE that the money influenced her.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:58 PM
Mar 2016

You remember that, right?

It's clearly a conflict where we are guided by ethics vs Camp Hill's addiction to legalistic dodging.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
55. It would be responsible to give voters information they need to confirm the location themselves.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

If this is her letter, it is terribly irresponsible.

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
58. Sadly, I think they do believe it.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

I'm just saying, I would have received a letter from the campaign if it was a real thing - I'm on all the mailing lists. If people are so concerned, they should just call the number conveniently provided on the letter itself (which is for the Washington State Dems). I guess it's easier to get all hyped up about a stranger's Facebook post and send it around.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
62. Yes, I do.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

Because even when there's proof, staring you right in the face, nobody cares. Clinton supporters don't care. Establishment politicians don't care. The media doesn't care.

Corruption, cheating, and trying to get one over on the little guy are celebrated in this country. They're a way of life. Hell, they're practically national virtues.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
72. Hell yes she would
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

She has proven time and time again that she has no scruples, morals or shame. If she would vote to slaughter a million civilians for oil and empire, support brutal dictators across the globe, and push fracking on Nations that don't want it to increase the scarcity of the elites new favorite investment, fresh water, why would she have any issue with election fraud?

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
19. I'm 100% behind Bernie...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

...and wouldn't put this past the Hillary camp, but why is the letter addressed to "A" and posted by a Denise? There may be a perfectly logical explanation, but who knows?

arikara

(5,562 posts)
23. Well its becoming obvious why the democratic party didn't go after Bush's stolen election
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:29 PM
Mar 2016

its because they were absorbing the tactics to use themselves for when they wanted to steal elections.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
71. It's also becoming obvious that the leadership of *that* "Democratic" party
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

is near impossible to distinguish from anyone in the GOP.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
28. Every single state it's something else! Have you noticed that? The crap they pulled in Az was unreal
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

Jane went to Tent City to do a little snooping around. Tent City is Sheriff Joe (Papers Please) disgusting act of inhumanity.
He set up tents for the prisoners to sleep outside even when it's 110*+ plus ... without AC in the summer, or heat in the winter. Temps inside the tent in the summer can get up to 140* Yes, Sheriff Joe is a monster.

While she was there she spoke with Sheriff Joe, mostly to discuss racial profiling & to see for herself how bad the conditions were at Tent City.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/14/jane-sanders-bernies-wife-debates-arpaio-tent-city/81795076/

The Hillary camp went off on this....
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/jane-sanders-joe-arpaio-tent-city

Bernie's Better Half Pals Around With Racist Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Helps Promote Propaganda


I don't even want to post the crap that they printed! They were upset that Jane did not challenge Arpaio enough. She was there for a visit and check things out.
Anyway - it made it to the airwaves in Phoenix. People were debating this - even on our local top 40 station. Luckily, the radio hosts, jocks (whatever they are called these days) defended Jane against the callers.

It was insane. Beyond insane because anyone that listens to Bernie knows his feelings about the amount of people in prison.
When I went to his rally here in Phx he was blasting Arpaio.

It doesn't stop. Between the 'artful' smear of Bernie's vote on the auto bailout in the rust belt; the accusations of racism in the deep south; the Bernie is against immigration reform in Nevada; the Jane Sanders pals around with Sheriff Joe in Az....
and now this. Every state it's something new. I can't wait to see what they come up with for NY and CA.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
30. but but she always tries to tell the truth!!
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:43 PM
Mar 2016

oops, she just misspoke



How long can this continue? I am stunned she is still doing this.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
32. She'll never be seen as honest or trustworthy
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

Therefore never be capable of garnering the support needed to be an effective leader. It's like ruling under a thunder cloud about to strike you down.

Response to Chezboo (Original post)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
35. This Sanders supporter says this is bullshit. Her salutation is "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and that is
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

not her campaign letterhead.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
44. If this letter really comes from her campaign
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

it should be made public everywhere, even if it came
from her super pacs..

However, let's make sure of the facts first.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
45. I saw it on Facebook. This shit is too funny.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

This is rat ducking aimed at LIV's.

But.... But.... But....

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
47. Color me skeptical
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
Mar 2016

Apart from whether one believes Hillary would be willing to do this or not, I can't think for a minute that she would be stupid enough to engage in this kind of activity deliberately.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. Clinton has yet to be caught lying cheating or stealing. My guess, we will find it is a Sanders
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

supporter. They have been caught lying cheating and stealing. Regardless, I will wait and see.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
64. Soliciting for your wife at the polls
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:04 PM
Mar 2016

Is cheating. I don't care what the law says. It's cheating plain and simple. Suppressing the vote so he can say some words about Hillary is cheating.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
52. Either an errror in the mailing or a joe job
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

Neither campaign is going to stoop low enough to deliberately mislead voters, that's GOP tactic. Nor would they be dumb enough to attach such deception to official letterhead. This is either an error (mismailed/misidentified recipient) or a Scooby-Do-like attempt to toss people off the trail.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
54. In the Republican Convention of 1860, Republicans used fraud to
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

influence the nomination process. They counterfeited many tickets to the Convention Hall in Chicago
they gave them to their agents who filled up so many seats that when the Democratic convention
members showed up to vote, they couldn't have access to the building. Consequently, but not necessarily
the only cause, Lincoln, a relative unknown "Favorite Son from Illinois, narrowly won the nomination
and then the election. (This even is well documented on the INTERNET is is very interesting.)

I realize that the above paragraph does not pertain to Clinton supporters, it is ,rather, an illustration
that political dirty tricks have been around for a long time. (Further back than 1860,of course.)



ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
60. How interesting, in that eye roll kind of way.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

Facebook? I found my caucus site through Washington state Democratic Party. I'm proud and happy to caucus for Hillary.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
63. Regardless of where the letter came from
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

Tell your Washington friends to go early, and if they're late, go anyway.
We don't "close the doors" in Washington. The vote is supposed to be counted for anyone who gets there before the second tally. The second tally could be at any time depending on how quickly the meeting progresses for their precinct.
By all means try to get there early to save everyone the trouble of long lines, but even if they find themselves late, go anyway.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
70. Wow, she really is a ruthless lowlife
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

that's Teabagger level tactics right there. She REALLY wants to alienate Bernie supporters, doesn't she?


Remember this everyone: SHE WILL NEVER "NEED" YOUR VOTE; she'll simply find ways of keeping "undesirables" from voting, and the AP will hand it to her with ease.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
76. I got an email from her campaign that let me enter my address
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

to find my polling place (which gave me the correct place, btw). I have a feeling this isn't true. After all, how could she possibly target Bernie supporters only?

KPN

(15,642 posts)
77. When is the Hillary group going to protest this stuff with
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

the Hillary campaign. Are they Democrats?

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
80. another troll
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

look I have only received mail from the Sanders campaign, actually in my mailbox mail and im signed up to get stuff from HRC and I have recieved NOTHING from Hillary. 0 NADA.
.I call bullcrap on this. Plus most of us know its this Saturday, where it is and the time.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
85. Not just misspeaking, now she's misswriting too
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

Missadvertising, misscamping, misshonest, missthinking, misreading,misrepresenting, misleading....

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