2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary sending out misleading letters to Sanders caucus goers in WA State
Misdirecting to wrong caucus location and time to arrive, making sure that it's not enough time to get to the correct caucus site.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154049325642258&set=gm.251868991820755&type=3&theater
djean111
(14,255 posts)Always thought it was only the GOP that would do that.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)NOT.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)supporters are the honest ones..........it's those damn BernieBros who were at one time Obama boys and are most likely HillaryHenchmen........
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)close to her and her team......'lying justifies the end results' is a major staple of the Clinton candidacy road to victory.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)What is wrong with her? Does she think we wouldn't hear about these things?
She must've thought Nixon was really cool, because she sure is imitating him.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)They want us to support her in the end. So what if they cheated us out of a Bernie presidency, we have to be good Dems and take it and vote for her.
Every time they are caught cheating, remember, they're cheating on YOU, and then they want your support.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)It's an abusive relationship, in which they act like we're idiots.
I don't think we have "SUCKER" stamped on our foreheads.
840high
(17,196 posts)doesn't care for anything except getting in the WH.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I hope this is a mistake and not deliberate.
LisaM
(27,800 posts)and I'm a paid member of my local district Democrats. It was also very difficult to find out where the caucuses were even being held.
Without saying definitively that this didn't happen, I'd probably look into it a little more. The number given is the number for the Washington State Democratic party and I would be very surprised if they were sending out mailers for a particular candidate.
Another clue - Hillary doesn't use "Hillary Clinton" - she uses "Hillary Rodham Clinton".
Call the number on the letter and see if it's legit. Again - I'm not opining either way, but I'm not going to take this at face value either.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But I'd like to also point out that she recently dropped Rodham.
LisaM
(27,800 posts)and it always had "Rodham" included.
I'd still take this FB post with a grain of salt, since I've donated both to Washington District Dems and to her (though not to her yet this cycle) and I did not receive any such mailer.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Others in the comments are saying that they got one as well.
It's just weird as even though I'm for Bernie. I know that Hillary is smarter than this... I hope!
LisaM
(27,800 posts)For one thing, I think the campaigns targeted a lot earlier. The affidavits were due a full week ago. This seems more typical of what I've seen from the Cruz campaign than anything.
I honestly don't believe the official campaigns of Clinton or Sanders would do this.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's to sloppy with the paper trail.
If it got serious it shouldn't be hard to find where it came from if these were sent in volume .
I haven't read the link yet
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511569123
Chezboo
(230 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)
page where others are posting that they received a letter also... a curious one from a Melinda Schori reads: I got mine yesterday,haven't opened.it When my husband came home from work he saw the letter on the table and said,she's targeting women over 45....
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Is this the character and Integrity that I want in my President? NOPE!
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Tell us how this is okay?
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Im even signed up for stuff for her campaign and I have received NOTHING from her about the election, I have recieved pro Sanders stuff in the mailbox. I call fraud on this,
insta8er
(960 posts)when it is targeted at others. You wouldn't believe the uprising if it was the other way around, I am sorry but some people seem to be defunct of any morals.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Bernie supporter claims things like Hillary cancelling Bernie rallies or Hillary changing voter registrations ect.
What does amaze me is that even though Bernie has no path to the nomination and he is collecting more money than Hillary, her campaign would spend precious dollars on an activity that would not change the outcome of the primaries one bit.
insta8er
(960 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I hate being a sucker. But I often forget to be scientific in approaching answers. I guess we'll find out if it's authentic or not.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I sometimes get tripped up from time to time, we all do......we're humanbeings.
I'd really like to know if it's legit or not because if it is..................
Chezboo
(230 posts)Published on Mar 24, 2016
Petition link and blog sources below, click SHOW MORE: Bernie Sanders voters in New York, Wisconsin, and other upcoming states started double checking their voter registration after the Arizona debacle and some are reporting they have been removed from their state's roles. Additionally, voters in upcoming Washington caucus have reported to me they have received Hillary Clinton campaign letters misdirecting them to the wrong caucus location. All of this indicates red flags for possible systemic and deliberate voter purging. Sane Progressive gives suggestions for voter and campaign action. Heads up.
Petition to Bernie Sanders Requesting Immediate Action on Election Rigging:
https://www.change.org/p/bernie-sande...
Example of Clinton Letter Misdirecting Voter to Wrong Caucus Location from Facebook (I received two other personal reports from people telling me they received the same type of letters, if you are in Washington and receive a letter from the campaign misdirecting you to the wrong polling place, save it as evidence and report to Sanders campaign):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...
Blog with Election Issues Documented by State including Arizona:
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/
Sane Progressive Video on Data Breach that Occurred Last October:
...
(this includes sources in video description about NGP Van and their connections to Clinton White House & Wasserman Schultz)
Category
News & Politics
License
Standard YouTube License
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)And that ^^shit up there^^ is what makes REALLY FUCKING DIFFICULT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!
My jesus, a snake couldn't slither any lower.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Because that's some seriously jacked up mess Luminous.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...using a PAPER DOCUMENT that would exist as proof?
It couldn't possibly be that, out of hundreds of thousands of voters, the information in the database could be incorrect?
It has to be a conspiracy?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)when there is video disputing her lies, arrogance knows no bounds.....
kristopher
(29,798 posts)You remember that, right?
It's clearly a conflict where we are guided by ethics vs Camp Hill's addiction to legalistic dodging.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)I could do this for hours, but I'll leave you with some time to attack the messengers.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)If this is her letter, it is terribly irresponsible.
LisaM
(27,800 posts)I'm just saying, I would have received a letter from the campaign if it was a real thing - I'm on all the mailing lists. If people are so concerned, they should just call the number conveniently provided on the letter itself (which is for the Washington State Dems). I guess it's easier to get all hyped up about a stranger's Facebook post and send it around.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)Because even when there's proof, staring you right in the face, nobody cares. Clinton supporters don't care. Establishment politicians don't care. The media doesn't care.
Corruption, cheating, and trying to get one over on the little guy are celebrated in this country. They're a way of life. Hell, they're practically national virtues.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)She has proven time and time again that she has no scruples, morals or shame. If she would vote to slaughter a million civilians for oil and empire, support brutal dictators across the globe, and push fracking on Nations that don't want it to increase the scarcity of the elites new favorite investment, fresh water, why would she have any issue with election fraud?
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)work anymore.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)...and wouldn't put this past the Hillary camp, but why is the letter addressed to "A" and posted by a Denise? There may be a perfectly logical explanation, but who knows?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)This is tricky dicky (Nixon) all over again.
arikara
(5,562 posts)its because they were absorbing the tactics to use themselves for when they wanted to steal elections.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)is near impossible to distinguish from anyone in the GOP.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Jane went to Tent City to do a little snooping around. Tent City is Sheriff Joe (Papers Please) disgusting act of inhumanity.
He set up tents for the prisoners to sleep outside even when it's 110*+ plus ... without AC in the summer, or heat in the winter. Temps inside the tent in the summer can get up to 140* Yes, Sheriff Joe is a monster.
While she was there she spoke with Sheriff Joe, mostly to discuss racial profiling & to see for herself how bad the conditions were at Tent City.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/14/jane-sanders-bernies-wife-debates-arpaio-tent-city/81795076/
The Hillary camp went off on this....
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/jane-sanders-joe-arpaio-tent-city
I don't even want to post the crap that they printed! They were upset that Jane did not challenge Arpaio enough. She was there for a visit and check things out.
Anyway - it made it to the airwaves in Phoenix. People were debating this - even on our local top 40 station. Luckily, the radio hosts, jocks (whatever they are called these days) defended Jane against the callers.
It was insane. Beyond insane because anyone that listens to Bernie knows his feelings about the amount of people in prison.
When I went to his rally here in Phx he was blasting Arpaio.
It doesn't stop. Between the 'artful' smear of Bernie's vote on the auto bailout in the rust belt; the accusations of racism in the deep south; the Bernie is against immigration reform in Nevada; the Jane Sanders pals around with Sheriff Joe in Az....
and now this. Every state it's something new. I can't wait to see what they come up with for NY and CA.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)oops, she just misspoke
How long can this continue? I am stunned she is still doing this.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Therefore never be capable of garnering the support needed to be an effective leader. It's like ruling under a thunder cloud about to strike you down.
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)not her campaign letterhead.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)it should be made public everywhere, even if it came
from her super pacs..
However, let's make sure of the facts first.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This is rat ducking aimed at LIV's.
But.... But.... But....
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Apart from whether one believes Hillary would be willing to do this or not, I can't think for a minute that she would be stupid enough to engage in this kind of activity deliberately.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)supporter. They have been caught lying cheating and stealing. Regardless, I will wait and see.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Is cheating. I don't care what the law says. It's cheating plain and simple. Suppressing the vote so he can say some words about Hillary is cheating.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Neither campaign is going to stoop low enough to deliberately mislead voters, that's GOP tactic. Nor would they be dumb enough to attach such deception to official letterhead. This is either an error (mismailed/misidentified recipient) or a Scooby-Do-like attempt to toss people off the trail.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)influence the nomination process. They counterfeited many tickets to the Convention Hall in Chicago
they gave them to their agents who filled up so many seats that when the Democratic convention
members showed up to vote, they couldn't have access to the building. Consequently, but not necessarily
the only cause, Lincoln, a relative unknown "Favorite Son from Illinois, narrowly won the nomination
and then the election. (This even is well documented on the INTERNET is is very interesting.)
I realize that the above paragraph does not pertain to Clinton supporters, it is ,rather, an illustration
that political dirty tricks have been around for a long time. (Further back than 1860,of course.)
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Facebook? I found my caucus site through Washington state Democratic Party. I'm proud and happy to caucus for Hillary.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Tell your Washington friends to go early, and if they're late, go anyway.
We don't "close the doors" in Washington. The vote is supposed to be counted for anyone who gets there before the second tally. The second tally could be at any time depending on how quickly the meeting progresses for their precinct.
By all means try to get there early to save everyone the trouble of long lines, but even if they find themselves late, go anyway.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)that's Teabagger level tactics right there. She REALLY wants to alienate Bernie supporters, doesn't she?
Remember this everyone: SHE WILL NEVER "NEED" YOUR VOTE; she'll simply find ways of keeping "undesirables" from voting, and the AP will hand it to her with ease.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)to find my polling place (which gave me the correct place, btw). I have a feeling this isn't true. After all, how could she possibly target Bernie supporters only?
KPN
(15,642 posts)the Hillary campaign. Are they Democrats?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)look I have only received mail from the Sanders campaign, actually in my mailbox mail and im signed up to get stuff from HRC and I have recieved NOTHING from Hillary. 0 NADA.
.I call bullcrap on this. Plus most of us know its this Saturday, where it is and the time.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Missadvertising, misscamping, misshonest, missthinking, misreading,misrepresenting, misleading....