About us privileged and selfish 'principle voters'

[whatchamacallit]

You Hillary supporters love guilting and shaming us by conjuring images of groups we'll be hurting if we don't vote for her. Your concern would carry more weight if you gave a shit about the millions of innocents, hawkish american presidents kill in our military interventions and adventures. I proudly view my "selfish" no-vote for Hillary, as a generous yes-vote for humankind.

[giftedgirl77]

1. Awe someone needs a nap huh?

[whatchamacallit]

5. Thanks for bringing all the intelligence you possess to that response.

[giftedgirl77]

21. Hyperbolic nonsense doesn't warrant an intelligent response.

[whatchamacallit]

23. What part is nonsense to you?

The hypocrisy of guilting people while being indifferent to the humans we call collateral damage for expedience?

[giftedgirl77]

26. I'm not going down this rabbit hole with you.

Sometimes it's better to just pat you on the head & go about my day.

[whatchamacallit]

27. Good idea

[giftedgirl77]

30. It would be a lot like trying to talk sense to the

psycho on the corner that screams the world is going to end any day now. We just shake our head & wonder what life would be like if ppl could just get the help they need to squash the paranoid dilusions.

[Ed Suspicious]

45. Still heading down the rabbit hole. You're not even being led there.

Cling strongly to those principles. You're doing a bang-up job.

[KPN]

104. +1! Bazinga!

[840high]

47. Are you grumpy? Need a nap?

[Amaril]

59. Wow. Just wow.

[reddread]

89. exactly.

you shake your heads because you think you arent the help they need.
thats somebody elses problem.
BIG ups for defying spellchecks charms and DIY'ing
thats dilicious.

[Katashi_itto]

101. Someone needs a glass of warm milk and a nap

[Hortensis]

64. Your notion of yourself as the principled voters.

What could be more illustrative of this problem than that classic statement? This is why you end up always disappointed and marginalized, and disappointing.

[litlbilly]

81. dont think you could give an inteligent response.

[Matariki]

55. You must be pretty happy DU changed the 5 hidden posts policy

[giftedgirl77]

82. Hell yeah, butthurt BernieBros don't like getting the truth thrown at them

[Armstead]

84. The truth? Like "you need a nap"?

Yes such cogent analysis is really painful.

But come to think of it I am a little sleepy.

[giftedgirl77]

86. I didn't get a hide for that.

[Armstead]

87. It would be pretty lame if you did get a hide for that

[Bobbie Jo]

105. You have to admit...

The rapid-response pile on was pretty impressive.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Well said. K&R

[MariaThinks]

3. i believe i live in the harry potter world of magic - so there - i don't care what anyone says

[whatchamacallit]

8. Must be a nice existence for you

[MariaThinks]

14. not as wacky as the existence of some of the people posting on this website

[JoePhilly]

4. We get it, you're staying home ...

... or writing in Bernie, or voting for Trump, or doing something else.

Most of us have stopped thinking about what some of you very "principled" people will do.

[revbones]

16. Guess that's why we keep seeing so many posts about it then... nt

[JoePhilly]

17. Some of you guys love making these very ...

... important public service announcements.

Personally, I get a kick out of the impotent rage ... the "I'm taking my ball and going home" mindset.

[revbones]

18. I think you have that backwards.

You guys keep saying "Let's deflate your ball because I want to play with blocks"

Seriously, what gives with all the loyalty pledge posts?

[Shadowflash]

61. Impotent?

We'll see, won't we?

[Armstead]

85. Then save your tendons from replying if it's that unimportant

Just concerned about your health....

[JoePhilly]

88. If you care about my health ...

... why would you want to take away one of my favorite hobbies ... mocking the silly?

[Cheap_Trick]

6. "Vote Blue No Matter Who"

gives the DNC license to force their corporate sponsored choice upon us.

[Bjornsdotter]

28. Yep n/t

[840high]

48. .+1

[mythology]

65. You do realize how silly you sound given Sanders is far behind right?

She isn't being forced on you. People are voting for her at a higher rate than they are for Sanders. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean anything other than your preferred candidate is being out voted.

[eridani]

96. He is very much ahead amoing independents, who are 40% of the electorate n/t

[Lorien]

93. Why would they need any of our votes

when election theft is so easy for them? Even the AP lends a hand!

[upaloopa]

7. To me outcomes are a better judge of decisions made.

[tk2kewl]

12. you mean like the outcomes in Iraq, Libya Honduras, and Syria?

[upaloopa]

25. Yes and taken everything involved we should learn from them

[tk2kewl]

41. what do you think the lesson should be and do you think Clinton has learned it?

[upaloopa]

63. The lesson is that we should not fight wars of convienience

Yes she has learned it.

But more important is that our people need to learn it. When the majority of the country supports going to war we get the outcome we got with Iraq and the resulting aftermath.

We need to change the minds of our people then our leaders will follow.

[tk2kewl]

66. I'm not sure Hillary has learned that lesson

Given that she has taken a hawkish stance on Iran and Syria while The President has taken a measured, cautious diplomatic approach

[upaloopa]

71. Hillary is not giving Iran a pass because they signed the nuclear treaty

Iran still sponcers terrorism and proclaims to be the enemy of Israel

[tk2kewl]

72. Hillary is either more hawkish than Obama or she's not

She challenged the nuke deal almost immediately after Obama made it. She pushed for Syrian escalation while Obama and Kerry negotiated a cease fire.

[upaloopa]

73. I feel Hillary will do what is in the best interest

of this country and the world.

[tk2kewl]

75. So you have an impression of her that differs from her rhetoric

[upaloopa]

76. I have an impression of her that differs from yours

[amborin]

77. Hillary owns Libya, and now ISIS roams freely there, whereas before it did not;

[Tanuki]

31. Weren't those exactly the outcomes Nader welcomed as part of a "four year cold shower"

that his assistance in defeating Al Gore would usher in?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nurses-give-nod-to-nader/
(2000):
"The Green Party presidential hopeful picked up the endorsement of a big nurses' union based in California, a state where his candidacy might have a significant impact on the general election.
.............
Accepting the endorsement in Washington, Nader said traditional Democrats should welcome the prospect of the Green campaign helping to defeat Al Gore in November.

"If I was a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, I'd be happy because that would give the Democratic Party a four-year cold shower for reconsidering their historical traditions at its highest levels and why it has abandoned these traditions," Nader said.

Some Democrats fear in a close race between Gore and Republican George W. Bush, Nader could tip the balance in the direction of the Texas governor....."

_____________________________

Btw, you forgot Citizens United and the consequences of relentless climate denial by the Bush Administration. Those were also some of the "cold shower" outcomes that Ralph, by his own brag, treated us all to.

[riderinthestorm]

44. Gore won actually nt

[Matariki]

56. +1 Yes he did.

[DanTex]

9. The groups BoBers will be harming aren't imaginary. A vote for Trump is not a vote for humankind.

[whatchamacallit]

11. I reject all hawkish right-leaning plutocrats

[DanTex]

69. And yet you want to facilitate a Donald Trump presidency.

[tk2kewl]

10. ...and the people disenfranchised at the polls

[whatchamacallit]

13. They don't matter because "It was over a month ago..."

Yay democratic dems!

[eggman67]

15. They can call me anything they want

I'm never, ever going to vote for that warmongering corporate shill.

[randome]

19. Either start your own party or vote for the representative nominated by the people.

Principles and nothing else is no way to go through life. One's principles should be balanced by what the majority of voters have decided is better for the 'village' we all inhabit. Right now, the majority of Democratic primary voters have chosen Clinton.

That should be at least a data point in your considerations.
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[whatchamacallit]

20. I base little of what I do on the majority

That's who I am. My vote will always be an extension of who I am.

[randome]

34. And my vote will be an extension of who I am AND a consideration of those around me.

If everyone thinks ME! ME! ME! then no progress is ever made.
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[whatchamacallit]

36. Maybe you missed the point of my OP

about your conditional consideration.

[bobthedrummer]

22. RESPECT MY AUTHORITY! WE HAVE SUPERDELEGATES! WE ARE THE NEW DEMOCRATS! SEIG>>>

[farleftlib]

24. Bob, you said a mouthful!

Now whenever I see a loyalty pledge thread I'm going to hear Cartman's voice in my head. "Respect mah authoritai!!"

[bobthedrummer]

29. Loyalty to the 1% not you or me or anyone else farleftlib-glad you are part of the real DU reality

based community. Below is another example of "loyalty" conducted on his last day in office

Bill Clinton pardon controversy (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

[farleftlib]

39. And he is famous only for the Marc Rich pardon?

What a bunch of scum got let off the hook while the prison population exploded with non-violent drug users whose lives were subsequently ruined.

No more Clintons in high places, humanity depends upon it.

[randome]

32. Not at ALL what I said. I said it should be a consideration what your fellow human beings want.

It should not always be about you and only you. There is a greater good that should be factored into your considerations.
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[bobthedrummer]

37. Live long and prosper, randome. n/t

[brooklynite]

33. As long as your principle will accept President Trump, knock yourself out...

[LanternWaste]

35. I like to pretend I know what people do and don;t give a shit about too.

I like to pretend I know what people do and don't give a shit about too. Sometimes I'll even rationalize it to better maintain the pretense. But at the end of the day, we both know pretense is all it really is.

[whatchamacallit]

38. When people try to tell me my vote is selfish

they pretend to know what I do or don't give a shit about. So...

[DinahMoeHum]

40. Whoop dee friggen doo doo. Such a humanitarian.

Hope you can explain your "principles" just as well to women, minorities and the poor here in the US if, G*d forbid, Trump or Cruz becomes POTUS.

FYG, I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter. However, while I vote progressive in the primaries,
I vote Democrat in the general election.

BTW, Sanders has also reiterated that if Hillary wins the nomination,he will support her in every way in the general election. He knows that too much is at stake in 2016 for the Democratic vote to splinter up in November.

[whatchamacallit]

42. I respect your decision

If you can't respect mine, you'll just have to live with it.

[DinahMoeHum]

43. Whatever.

But you'll still have to explain to those aforementioned folks (aka your fellow Americans) why your "principle" was more important than their well-being and future.

[Ed Suspicious]

46. You take the high road. I'll take the ground below.

[riderinthestorm]

50. In 10 years SCOTUS picks will be irrelevant as our planet fails

In 10 years who the Ambassador is to the UN won't matter when the aquifer has been poisoned by fracking and there's no drinking water in Oklahoma.

There's only 2 candidates who have climate change as a central part of their campaign, Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein. In 10 years as the first wave of catastrophic climate change starts really rolling across the planet, will you be proud to say you voted for Hillary because she's going to make small changes to the ACA?

Do you think the average 25 year old thinks that? In fact, I'd say they would argue they're actually the ones who are voting for your well being and future.

And they can live with themselves by saying they tried.

Hillary's environmental plan is completely inadequate. Tweaking isn't going to work anymore.

[astrophuss42]

51. This.

My mother in law wants to vote for a woman before she dies. I just want to make it to 2030. But you know, I'm the selfish one.

[stranger81]

78. ^^THIS^^ [n/t]

[Matariki]

57. It's sad to have to say your post is spot on.

This should be priority #1 for every intelligent, responsible person voting or running for office.

[litlbilly]

83. if we even have that long. Im thinking about 8 or even less.

[Duppers]

90. RIGHT ON!!

Some here don't get it.



Just had to add "whatever" Dinah to my ignore list.

[Lorien]

92. Bingo

It's tragic that this isn't glaringly obvious to everyone.

[VulgarPoet]

106. This.

My vote goes to policy, not to endorsement.

[closeupready]

49. Privilege is ... Hillary's supporters shrugging and chuckling at the corrupt campaign finance

process from which she has fed, while telling us she's going to end the corruption.

[whatchamacallit]

52. Yep

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Politics is the way we form a government.

“History has tried hard to teach us that we can’t have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of the government couldn’t be wise.” Mark Twain

[whatchamacallit]

54. +1

[TeddyR]

58. I support Bernie over Hillary

And don't really care who you vote for in the GE, but a vote for anyone other than the Dem nominee isn't a vote for "humankind" but is a vote for Trump/Cruz/Kasich. So vote your conscience if you must, but if the Dem nominee ends up losing a closely contested election to Donald Trump then you and others who put their "principles" first basically screwed humankind.

[closeupready]

60. If she loses, that's all on her. Period.

[VulgarPoet]

107. 0 + 0 = 0.

It's damn disappointing to see a Sanders supporter try to justify Inner Party math.

[salinsky]

62. On the one hand you have ...

... dozens of threads like this one pledging to never, ever, ever vote for Hillary no matter what because "principle".

On the other, you prolly have three dozen threads just today crying about how Bernie got shafted in AZ because a rightwing dominated SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act.

The cognitive dissonance is dizzying!

[DanTex]

67. +1

[gollygee]

68. Yeah. I'm sure Trump will be all kinds of gentle.

You can blame Hillary and Hillary voters all day long while he is even worse and kills even more people. He could do a great deal of damage. But hey, you wash your hands of it.

[Capt. Obvious]

74. Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

[Lorien]

94. You have no problem with election fraud

so shouldn't you feel secure that your candidate has paid off all the right people and has it covered? She only "needs" one percent of the vote, after all, and she'll claim victory! Who we vote for doesn't matter in the least; that's what you've been telling us since last night.

[gollygee]

97. I do have a problem with election fraud, and I voted for Bernie (and he took my state)

I also have a problem with Trump.

[Beacool]

79. Pathetic........

The only ones not giving "a shit about the millions of innocents, hawkish American presidents kill in our military interventions and adventures" are those who won't vote for the nominee, unless it's Sanders.

WHAT THE HELL do you people think Trump's foreign policy will be like????

[whatchamacallit]

80. Unknown

but I already know what Hillary is capable of.

[Lorien]

91. If Hillary manages to steal the primaries through election theft

as she has been doing thus far, then we can remain principled and vote ,or not vote, for whichever pro-peace, pro-healthy environment, pro-civil rights, anti-TPP, anti Monsanto, anti Wall Street deregulation candidate we please, with a clear conscious. Team Hillary will have proven that they don't need pesky little things like *votes* to get what they want. Let them steal their way to the White House. She will always be viewed as illegitimate after her response to what happened in Arizona yesterday, and she obviously doesn't need or want any of our votes to achieve her agenda.

[seabeyond]

100. Steal? In the world of athletes, what a poor ass loser.

[felix_numinous]

95. It is not selfish to want representation in government

there are plenty of RW and Third Way representation in government, which is why we have endless wars, lax environmental laws, no labor laws left, and unregulated banks running the country. How many progressives are in government? How many representatives do the left get to have?

Without the progressive left this country will continue to slip towards a tyrannical police state, The two party system was meant to be a check and balance on private vs public interests, and with the RW in power there is no check on their abuse of power. These are the basics I am not sure many truly understand.

[Orsino]

98. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[seabeyond]

99. Sanders is right there with the rest and to pretend otherwise while not voting

To make your "principled" stand at the expense of others lives is what is offensive.

[mikehiggins]

102. land mines and cluster bombs

that's two reasons for not supporting HRC. There are many more.

[TBF]

103. Neoliberal policy focuses on Capitalism

- outsourcing labor, which takes jobs here and moves them abroad (leaving folks here with nothing but short-term unemployment and prayers)
- wars, in which the US protects it's "resources" abroad and kills anything in its way
- lip service regarding poverty, at best, while never addressing the sources that keep people impoverished

No thank you.