Why can't Hillary seal the deal?

[AZ Progressive]

After her big wins a week ago, why is Hillary still being rejected in states like Utah and Idaho? Don't they know that she is inevitable?

[superkona]

1. seal or steal?

i think she's counting on the latter

[Recursion]

2. Clinton supporters said this, word for word, about Obama at this point in 2008

Just saying.

[Hortensis]

6. Hillary is far ahead of where Obama was

at this point in 2008. Look, skip the phony posts pretending she's not doing very well indeed.

And Bernie is way behind, but technically he could still win. Quite unlikely, but it is nevertheless possible.

Note that last wasn't even painful to admit for someone tough enough to face the truth. Of course I'm not the kind of extreme partisan fool who swallowed her own propaganda and now thinks the opponent's election would mean the end of all dreams. That does make a difference, I'm sure.

As for those who've developed really nasty attitudes toward Hillary, IMO by definition they are not qualified to judge her morality. Moral people respect, search for, and accept truth, whatever it is.

[rock]

65. So

[Surya Gayatri]

8. Hammer, meet nail.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

25. Hillary wasn't getting 80-20 wins at this point in 2008

[Recursion]

50. And both candidates are getting them now (nt)

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

64. Not quite

She has had a few 70/30 wins in the deep South and one 80/20 win in Mississippi. Those states are done now. She's not going to get any more like that.

[Autumn Colors]

61. In states the Dems won't take in Nov ... (nt)

[Cobalt Violet]

3. she isn't well liked at all.

Many of us can't fricking stand her. Fuck Wall St. Fuck the establishment.

[mythology]

4. And yet she's beating Sanders handily

Which would suggest that even fewer like him. The evidence as measured by voting, both in numbers and in delegates, says you're wrong.

[Larkspur]

9. Yet her approval numbers are in the negative territory along with Trumps

If she wwas really the overwhelming favorite, she would have won EVERY contest to-date.

[mythology]

57. And she's still ahead of Sanders

You can talk all you want about her negatives, but you don't have an argument about what that says about Sanders. If he was really so much more popular why isn't he winning more states, delegates or votes?

[Maedhros]

81. Here are two reasons:

1. No media coverage
2. Democratic Party collusion with the Clinton campaign

[Larkspur]

82. Name recognition matters

she's been in the news for decades and many Democrats know her and not Bernie.
Like when buying a product, buyers stick with the brand they know than try a new one.

In the BE, her approval numbers will matter. She'll win the typical blue states, like mine, but between the coasts, she will struggle.

[DrDan]

23. and even more substantially in super-delegates - it still amazes me a sitting senator

cannot get a single senate endorsement, and only 2 former-senator endorsements - a significant message

[morningfog]

26. They are party loyalists. Bernie caucuses win the Dems,

but is not a party loyalist or even a democrat until this race. It's not surprising.

[DrDan]

31. perhaps not to a sanders-supporter - but others will sit up and notice

no friends in the Senate - past or present (save 2 former senators)

[BreakfastClub]

15. Then why does she have over 1.8 million votes more than the beloved one? nt

[lunamagica]

16. It's actually more than 2.7 million

[Cobalt Violet]

32. because places that were favorable to her got to vote 1st.

[Newkularblue]

38. Concise, I like it!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

71. Voting first or last

Probably would not have made any difference in the end

[Setsuna1972]

35. Speak for yourself

I don't like Bernie and the nasty supporters who insult people of color each time they lose. And now we have the tin foil hat people making crazy conspiracy theories as well...

[bobbobbins01]

5. No one likes her and her policies suck.

Not much to get behind. If she manages to win, she's going to owe a lot of people a lot of favors in office. I don't even know why she wants to be president considering she triggers such revulsion in so many people.

[FlatBaroque]

11. Not true. The people I dislike, like her a lot. /

[Segami]

18. lol

[bobbobbins01]

37. Haha, can't argue with that.

But I am at a loss to understand what it is they like. Sort of like people who eat scrapple.

[seabeyond]

29. Over 3 million more vote than Sanders. So, No one likes Sanders even more and his policy sucks more?

[bobbobbins01]

36. Uh no, people vote for people they don't like all the time.

For many reasons, such as not knowing other options exist(which is the case for many people due to the media blackout), or wanting to be on the winning team, since one is being pushed as inevitable, or out of fear.

Kind of like how the Hillary people on here are begging the Sanders people to back Hillary in the general, even though Jill Stein will more than likely be on the ballot. I'm sure they like her more, and I'm sure they like her policies more, but the Republican boogeyman will push many of them to vote for her.

Your justification sucks about as much as Hillary's policies do.

[seabeyond]

46. Sanders has been coddled by media and is all over the place. So Clinton votes out of ignorance?

[bobbobbins01]

54. Coddled?

Ignoring isn't coddling. And Anderson Cooper red baiting him 4 times in the town hall 2 days ago isn't coddling.

[seabeyond]

66. Coddled.

[bobbobbins01]

69. Care to share an example?

Because I have endless ones I can provide that show the contrary.

[seabeyond]

78. Oh, I do not know, ignoring all of his history of the last 50 yrs?

[msongs]

7. demographics in Idaho and Utah favor bernie - like kansas, nebraska, oklahoma nt

[GreatGazoo]

51. Demographics are people. Real people.

Not monolithic blocks that have one vote, as the Clinton camp sees it, but individual people with individual votes.

This primary is very tight.

[JaneyVee]

10. Voting just started a month ago.

[JoePhilly]

80. Now they don't want every state to vote.

They can't make up their minds.

[Onlooker]

12. She does appear to be sealing the deal

But, that doesn't mean that Bernie can't still win some states.

Look at 2008 for example:

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/votes/

[geek tragedy]

13. Same reason Obama lost states as late as May 2008 nt

[DanTex]

14. The deal is sealed. Time to unite the party and defeat Trump.

[Vinca]

19. You had better hope Bernie stays in until the last possible moment

to deflect incoming from Hillary. The GOP hasn't started on her yet and when they do it will be devastating.

[Renew Deal]

21. Has Bernie started on her?

Why is he holding back? Is he soft?

[Vinca]

22. He's a decent person who wants a Democrat to prevail.

Republicans aren't and don't.

[Renew Deal]

33. He would drop out of he wanted a Democrat to prevail.

Maybe he's not tough enough to be president.

[Newkularblue]

40. I'll take wise over tough for $200 Alex

[Vinca]

67. He's doing Hillary a giant favor.

Until she's the nominee, the GOP isn't going to hone in on her. Once they do, it's not going to be pretty.

[randome]

17. The only people who use the 'inevitable' meme are the perpetually disgruntled.

The obvious conclusion to not 'sealing the deal' is that we have two great candidates. Sorry you can't see that.
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[jcgoldie]

20. Most people outside DU

Realize that she already has.

[seabeyond]

24. Why are the white teabaggers and Libertarians not voting for Clinton? Really? Well, hmmmm.....

[pinebox]

30. Did you just say that Bernie supporters are white teabaggers and Libertarians?

Seriously?
Check yourself before you wreck yourself if that's the case.

[Newkularblue]

41. Bill said it so it must be true.

[seabeyond]

42. Ya. That is what I am saying. I thought it clear.

[SidDithers]

27. Hillary sealed the deal on March 15...nt

Sid

[giftedgirl77]

28. We knew BS would deal well in lily white states.

Let's not pretend this was unexpected.

[bravenak]

55. We sure did

Had no idea he would get COLLAPSED so bad in states with black voters, tho

[giftedgirl77]

59. He's not doing great with Latinos either.

Unless you look at the Sanders website. Our bullshit detectors are much more refined.

[bravenak]

60. Of course not

What was yhete to be drawn to in this campaign? Generic messaging and millionaire billionaires oligarchs being yelled at them? No thx. Not even en espanol. No me gusta.

[giftedgirl77]

62. Careful you'll get a hide for not speaking English.

[Trust Buster]

34. Sanders floôds small caucuses with students promised trillions in new entitlements.

Idaho and Utah had only a fraction of the voters that Arizona saw. Sanders can flood the zone in Utah and Idaho and distort the process. That's why he fails in large primaries because the will of the people are truly heard there.

[Cobalt Violet]

39. More conservative talking points from you!

Not surprised.

[Trust Buster]

43. Really ? And what do you think has the college kids so jazzed up ?

His Israel-Palestinian policy perhaps ? LOL

[Cobalt Violet]

47. It's your choice to look at it as an unworthy entitlement rather than an investment.

You made that choice. It's a conservative choice. My party use to stand for the investment in education.

[Trust Buster]

48. Worthiness is not the issue. The issue of this OP is why Hillary hasn't sealed the deal yet.

My opinion is Sanders promising trillions in new entitlements has something to do with that. Making a "worthiness" argument is besides the topic of this thread.

[redstateblues]

49. It's brilliant scheme-making promises he knows he can't keep

It is getting him the youth vote. If elected he would just blame his failure to deliver on Congress.

[seabeyond]

44. Utah, .... Not a state for a woman Commander in Chief. Idaho, .... White Supremacist much? Ya.

[NorthCarolina]

45. UT and ID are Caucus States.

Can't flood the polls with absentee ballots in a caucus State.

[Lucinda]

52. Or perhaps the infirm and those who have to work for a living can't make a caucus?

Caucuses disenfranchise voters. Primaries and early voting help to alleviate that.

[bravenak]

53. Two of the LEAST DIVERSE vote Bernie and that means SHE has ISSUES?

Why can't Bernie seal the deal with any of the diverse States? Why us he having problems beating a candidate that people round here call everything but a child of God?

[Logical]

56. Because she is not trusted and not likable. Nt

[kstewart33]

58. She seems to be closing the deal.

Bernie continues to perform poorly in the delegate count. And that's all that matters.

He wins caucus states which are more likely for long shots to win. Hillary didn't give Utah and Idaho much attention at all. Bernie barnstormed those states. So the results weren't surprising.

Let's see how he does back East in all those closed primaries.

[CalvinballPro]

63. By the same token then, why can't Bernie "seal the deal?" nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

72. Yeah

Why can't Bernie catch up to/surpass Clinton in pledged delegates? He is approximately 300 pledged delegates behind.

[SFnomad]

83. Seal the deal? Bernie can't even close the gap. n/t

[workinclasszero]

68. Red states like Utah and Idaho

don't count. Bernie fans have been saying this for months.

Wait till the New York state primary.

It will be Bernie's Götterdämmerung

[demwing]

70. 1. She is not honest.

2. She is corrupt, or at the very least, is entirely too easy with giving the appearance of corruption.

3. She displays questionable judgement.

4. Because of all the above, she cannot be trusted to defend FDR's legacy

[randome]

73. So you blithely discount the opinions of the voters who are about to make her the nominee.

No one's opinion matters to you except your own?
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[redstateblues]

77. more smears-Still not a shred of proof of pro quid quo

[seabeyond]

84. Clinton beats Sanders on honest.

[brooklynite]

75. Who's ever used the Inevitable phrase?

Right, the Sanders people.

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. Wait, Democrats haven't won in either Utah or Idaho ...

since 1968 ... It seems, winning a state that goes red in the General Election is suddenly relevant ... again.

[JoePhilly]

79. I thought you wanted every state to get to vote?

Apparently not.