2016 Postmortem
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For Sanders to now make up his delegate deficit he must win by 65% or more in every single remaining state, even one marginal win puts his him mathematically out of the primaries.
I believe its now time for ALL Democrats to rally around our nominee and focus on keeping the White House and furthering the equality agenda.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Supporting Hillary doesn't further any equality agenda. If furthers Hillary's corporatist, 1% agenda.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)astrophuss42
(290 posts)Have fun rallying.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... to fuck off.
monmouth4
(10,010 posts)Solid Snake1
(95 posts)monmouth4
(10,010 posts)But you are going to have to accept it. Realistically its not going to happen. Sanders winning 65% in every single remaining state. And LOL at the "indictment".
Renew Deal
(82,781 posts)And it wouldn't be the 2nd place finisher in the primary
obamanut2012
(27,458 posts)Stallion
(6,526 posts)because Sanders even if somehow beat her in her own state (not going to happen) will not get near 65% so he will be leaving a ton of votes on the table making the mountain much higher to climb
southerncrone
(5,509 posts)Response to Solid Snake1 (Original post)
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farleftlib
(2,125 posts)It's unbelievable that it needs to be repeated ad infinitum but they really don't listen...
jcgoldie
(11,853 posts)When millions more people vote for the other candidate... we should hope for a scandal or unicorns... good plan.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Boy, time flies.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)yep
villager
(26,001 posts)...unless that is specifically, and immediately, addressed....
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Who the fuck are you? And why would any poster here for over a week give the slightest fucking weight to your posting?
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)I'm a Democrat who has every fucking right to post here. Who the fuck are you? Im sorry your candidate lost but man up already.
Bernie supporters really are "Bernie's Babies".
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I will rally when I feel like it, and for whomever I feel like rallying for.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)k8conant
(3,034 posts)Maybe he needs 65% of the remaining delegates (I haven't recalculated). That hardly means a single marginal win is crucial.
IAC, to win by 65% or more means basically to get 82.5% or more of the vote.
srobert
(81 posts)It was the 10th inning. The Sox were so far ahead that there was no realistic chance that they could lose. The bartender was a Boston girl. She kept saying "It's Over. That's it. It's Over, Just accept it, buddy. Your team lost!". I calmly persistently, and repeatedly asserted to her, "It's not over until the final out." Sox first baseman, Bill Buckner, bent down to scoop up an easy ground ball, which would have ended the game. But somehow he clumsily allowed ball to roll between his legs and suddenly the game was tied. The Mets won that game in extra innings and went on to win the series in game 7. The bartender had me evicted from the bar and accused me of witchcraft.
The moral: Never surrender and never give up until the final out.
Bernie should give every single voter in every primary the chance to vote for him. Even if he doesn't win, the numbers of people voting for him sends a HYUGE message to the Democratic party, that there are many of us who feel that the 3rd way has been the wrong way. And that if they expect to win future elections they will have to win us over. All "Democrats" can line up behind Hillary in November, if (and only if) she wins the nomination. But if that happens, I will no longer be a Democrat. If that happens, I'll be voting Green.
renate
(13,776 posts)To be accurate, my state is almost certainly going blue, but I'd vote for Hillary if there was any chance it'd be close. I mean, please. President Trump?
What I love and admire about Bernie is that I am quite sure that he is not running out of the tiniest speck of ambition for himself. Unless he's had a massive personality change from everything he's done in the past 50+ years, I'm quite certain of that.
He's running because he believes in his message.
And he has already succeeded by challenging Hillary and pushing her to the left. He has already achieved SO MUCH just by being himself and by being tireless. And so have his supporters. We were all just waiting for someone to come along and FINALLY saying what he says.
So what you said is so true. Even if he doesn't win, the Democratic party has received a message loud and clear.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)♫There is freedom within
there is freedom without
Try to catch a deluge in a paper cup
There's a battle ahead
many battles are lost
But you'll never see the end of the road
While you're traveling with me♫
We're not giving in until the bitter end...even if Hillary has a decisive delegate count, I hope we take this all the way to the convention.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)and who will really around the thieves?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)and (to half the degree) those who sit out voting in November because there are state and congressional elections to boot out the ones who are engaging in gerrymandering and voter repression. Like the majority republican state legislature, governor and secretary of state of Arizona, whose disenfranchised people deserve far better.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)explain how Hillary is responsible for what happened in Arizona and how you know that every single person waiting in those lines would have voted for Bernie. This should be good for a laugh.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)that's even better for a laugh.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)my very reasonable question and make the laughable attempt at hurting my feelings by putting me on ignore. How pathetically predictable.
DLnyc
(2,479 posts)I would be interested to know where you get that figure. I get 58%:
Current numbers on RCP, taking 56 of tonight's 75 delegates in Arizona into account give:
Hillary: 1159 pledged, so 2026 - 1159 = 867 to go
Bernie: 829 pledged, so 2026 - 829 = 1197 to go
since there are 4051 - (1159 + 829) = 2063 pledged left to be allocated,
Hillary needs 867/2063 = 42%
Bernie needs 1197/2063 = 58%
Of course, this is before Utah and Idaho have come in, as well as the full allocation in Arizona
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Not backing the corporation.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Solid Snake1
(95 posts)So its a net loss for him.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Try not to count the chickens before they hatch.
yuiyoshida
(42,341 posts)Its the 8th inning, fans are filing out of the stadium and they are pissed the team lost, but guess what? While they are out in their cars, their team gets a man on base, and then another, and than another, and runs comes in, now the bases are loaded, wham! Grand Slam Home Run... suddenly their team wins...
God I miss baseball!!!
This isn't baseball. its pretty much over.
yuiyoshida
(42,341 posts)ARE YOU saying that the state of California with nearly 500 plus delegates should just give up and the voters not vote? Maybe you think its a waste of time for the other states to vote, but we won't stand for it...we WANT our say.. I WANT to vote, damn it. No one is giving up..no one is going home, and ITS not over, by a long shot.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)But you seem to think Bernie will get all of CAs delegates, he likely won't even win 45% of them.
yuiyoshida
(42,341 posts)"They will win all their games this year, no team will beat them, they may as well hand the world series trophy over to the Yankees right now before the season starts, cause no team is good enough to beat them. All the other teams should just lay down their bats and go home, cause the Yankees will beat them every time..and not by a little margin, no it will be a HUUUUGE slaughter... Yankees 50..other team zero..like that .. "
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)I'm a Met fan.
yuiyoshida
(42,341 posts)nailed it.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)But love the analogy!
yuiyoshida
(42,341 posts)can't wait for Spring Training games to start on the radio, (in Arizona, no less!) and for Opening day at AT&T Park!
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)yuiyoshida
(42,341 posts)Its been every other year so far!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)uponit7771
(91,187 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Great plan.
She can handle Trump.
jillan
(39,451 posts)to get out and vote?
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)But its over, the the only thing to be determined is by how wide of a margin Clinton wins. Also will you be screaming fraud when she wins NY by 40 points?
pat_k
(10,367 posts)Bernie should NOT drop out before the convention, regardless of the cumulative numbers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1423882
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Oh by the way: as it isn't over yet (again), there is still no nominee to rally around.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)But when she wins NY PA and MD by large margins, don't cry about "fraud".
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But I agree that there has been way too much appearance of fraud in these primaries, and strangely all of it benefitted Clinton.
lakeguy
(1,644 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And Trashing.
ms liberty
(9,602 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Blah, blah blah.
Same shit, different day.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Thanks for playing though.
MoonRiver
(36,927 posts)As long as he has money, Bernie is staying in. His ego is that big.
thesquanderer
(12,249 posts)...since it seems he won more delegates than she did yesterday.