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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:09 PM

Hillary: I could compromise on abortion if it included exceptions for mother's health

From an interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd that apparently was broadcast the week of September 29, 2015 on MTP Daily.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html#ooid=N1ODF1dzpHyB52_cmPb77qDHRLMY2We_

CHUCK TODD: Are there reasonable restrictions that you would ever support on abortion?

HILLARY CLINTON: I've said that there were.

CHUCK TODD: What are they?

HILLARY CLINTON: And that's under Roe v. Wade, that there can be restrictions in the very end of, you know, the third trimester. But they have to take into account the life and health of the mother.

I remember in '96, Chuck, my husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions. And he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. You know, women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem, women whose life is threatened themselves if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

And so, you know, again, I am where I have been, which is that, you know, if there is a way to structure some kind of constitutional restrictions that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that. And that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional actions.

https://www.nbcumv.com/news/hillary-clinton-tells-chuck-todd-her-organizing-principle-%E2%80%9Cdefend-our-security-our-interests

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Reply Hillary: I could compromise on abortion if it included exceptions for mother's health (Original post)
TheDormouse Mar 2016 OP
WDIM Mar 2016 #1
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #2
NWCorona Mar 2016 #7
WDIM Mar 2016 #8
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #11
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #72
athena Mar 2016 #90
randome Mar 2016 #9
nashville_brook Mar 2016 #21
randome Mar 2016 #28
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #23
randome Mar 2016 #26
bettyellen Mar 2016 #35
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #30
randome Mar 2016 #33
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #36
randome Mar 2016 #40
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #43
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #55
bbgrunt Mar 2016 #63
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #77
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #75
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #83
Fumesucker Mar 2016 #48
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #80
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #74
Doctor_J Mar 2016 #37
randome Mar 2016 #41
Doctor_J Mar 2016 #44
revbones Mar 2016 #53
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #58
Chan790 Mar 2016 #70
Vattel Mar 2016 #59
randome Mar 2016 #76
Vattel Mar 2016 #81
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #82
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #85
coyote Mar 2016 #73
Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #3
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #14
Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #20
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #4
AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #51
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NWCorona Mar 2016 #6
nashville_brook Mar 2016 #10
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #12
nashville_brook Mar 2016 #16
loyalsister Mar 2016 #49
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #13
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #15
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #17
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Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #19
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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:13 PM

1. wow

Hillary is leaving plenty of room to run to the right.

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Response to WDIM (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:18 PM

2. That was my response as well--Someone else said Hillary had said she would be

willing to compromise on reproductive rights to get things done, and I replied that even though I know she's said she is willing to compromise with conservatives to get things done, I could not believe she would go so far as to include compromising on reproductive rights. I thought that was one area that she would be a firewall in defending progressive principles.

Boy, was I wrong!

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:24 PM

7. I thought Roe vs Wade was done and settled?

I guess not.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:28 PM

8. She would consider a constitutional amendment

That is huge. Thats not some small restriction that is changing the foundation of our country.

The word abortion should never appear in our constitution. The constitution in not meant to limit rights or grant rights it is meant to protect rights. The right of a woman to choose has been protected for 40 years and Hillary would consider changing that. Shameful.

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Response to WDIM (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:30 PM

11. I don't think she necessarily meant a constitutional amendment

It sounded to me like what she was saying was that she could compromise on legislation, so long as it was constitutional under Roe v Wade.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:42 AM

72. I've heard her mention a constitutional amendment

Perhaps not in this interview, but she did say it.

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Response to WDIM (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:41 AM

90. The adjective "constitutional" means relating to the constitution.

In this context, it means "within the constitution." Without the word "amendment" anywhere to be seen, it's a stretch to argue that Clinton is advocating a constitutional amendment to restrict abortion rights.

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Response to WDIM (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:28 PM

9. Plenty of room to stay right where we are, too.

 

She's speaking in diplomatic tongues to show her willingness to conservatives on the fence between her and Trump. It doesn't mean she will actually do anything to roll back abortion rights.
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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:40 PM

21. great example of history-free response. this poster *could* be a Millennial, post-90s

vintage. or not.

the argument that's all one big eleventy-dimensional chess game...this time with our abortion rights...hmmmm, seems terribly familiar.

(Damn you Lucy! you said you'd hold the football THIS time!!!)

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:57 PM

28. It's not any nth-dimensional chess. It's politics. Diplomacy among an enemy in our midst.

 

You can't reason with the GOP, you can't shout at them, you can't plead with them. The only way to get something done is to trip them up with language. I can't see Clinton doing a thing to roll back abortion rights. All the evil stuff that's been done in the past few years has been GOP governors signing odious laws. Clinton isn't going to follow that road.
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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:49 PM

23. Why can't we have a candidate who says exactly what she means, directly, without any

diplomatic wiggle-room? A progressive Margaret Thatcher, if you will?

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:54 PM

26. Because they're dealing with morons, that's why.

 

You can't argue righteousness to the GOP, it's not a concept they understand. Obama has made many of the same overtures and never followed through on them. He knows how to yank their chains. Hopefully Clinton understands that, too.
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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:11 PM

35. because the idiots will be alienated. she left wiggle room to leave it between a woman and her doc

 

and you can't actually do better than that. But it fools people (like it did here) into thinking it is slightly conservative.
Planned Parenthood gets it, sorry for DU that it does not.

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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:59 PM

30. Except this isn't the first time she said that.

She even used right wing terminology calling late term abortions "partial birth abortions":

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm


If Bernie said something like that we'd never hear the end of it, he's always been 100% pro-choice.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:09 PM

33. And it should be 100% a woman's choice. No exceptions.

 

But politicians behave like politicians. I can't see Clinton actually doing anything to roll back abortion rights. She would be rightly crucified for making the attempt and I think she knows it. Problem is, she sometimes thinks she has to say what is necessary to take some of the wind out of the GOP's sails. IMO.
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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:12 PM

36. Abortion rights should NEVER be put on the table.

Especially not when our rights are being constantly eroded at the state level.

Anti-choice voters won't vote for a Democrat anyway, there is no reason for her to signal that she's willing to bargain away our rights.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:40 PM

40. I don't even think it's a signal, just political blather. bettyellen said it best above.

 

There is a lot of 'wiggle room' in what she said that effectively leaves the issue off the table despite the political calculations. Unfortunately we are still trying to get the conservative majority out of Congress so she likely thinks she has to tread carefully.
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Response to randome (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:46 PM

43. Why go there at all when we're under attack in the states?

Gmafb, Bernie went to Liberty U and STOOD UP for our rights and he was raked over the coals here by Hillary supporters.

Now she admits she's willing to compromise and her supporters are telling us it's no big deal?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:28 PM

55. You're absolutely right. nt

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:27 PM

63. sometimes you just gotta stand on principles (if you have any)

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:52 AM

77. You nailed it!

If you have any principles.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:50 AM

75. Nothing she does is a big deal

Gaffes and misspeaks and political blather and mistakes and evolution. This woman is NEVER held accountable!

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:32 PM

83. Precisely.

They've defended her vote for the Iraq war, her friend and confidant Kissinger and even her support for DOMA, she can do no wrong.

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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:02 PM

48. Crucified by whom, the far left?

Hillary supporters will be fine with anything she does and as far as Hillary is concerned the left can go and pound sand, who else are they going to vote for, Trump?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:09 PM

80. shhh ... Bernie Sanders nt

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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:47 AM

74. She's offered this up a few times

As a bone to Republicans, presumably to make a 3rd way grand bargain.

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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:13 PM

37. So she's lying about being open to reproductive rights restrictions?

 

Seriously your entire subspecies has completely lost touch with reality

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:42 PM

41. It's not a lie, it's political blather.

 

It shows her willingness to 'reach across the aisle' and at the same time mention that it's a choice between a woman and her doctor, thereby undercutting the entire premise.

Like it or not, we still have a conservative majority in Congress that has to be dealt with. She's not going to abridge abortion rights.
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Response to randome (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:16 PM

44. So she says she's OK with curbing reproductive rights, but she's really not

 

And that's not lying. Got it.

Talking to you guys is like trying to reason with a four year old or a trekkie.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:18 PM

53. You're not going to get anywhere.

 

I'm reminded a bit of some interviews on YouTube of Trump followers who, when confronted with some of his statements would say things like "He doesn't really mean that, he's just trying to be political", etc...

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Response to revbones (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:58 PM

58. Princess Weathervane's Ostrich Army.

 

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:38 AM

70. I like that one.

 

I think I'll remember it for next time I need such a descriptor.

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Response to randome (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:03 PM

59. Come on randome, on your view she is lying, plain and simple.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #59)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:51 AM

76. The headline is a lie. It's a quote without the use of quotation marks.

 

Clinton never said "I could compromise..." But it's presented as a first-person statement to give the appearance of a quote.

She isn't going to roll back abortion rights. "...if there is a way..." is something one says that leaves plenty of room to later say "No, sorry, that one doesn't cut it. Next!"

I don't like her using this approach but this is how she works. She's doing more pandering to the fence-sitters than I think she needs to.
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Response to randome (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:14 PM

81. fair enough

 

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Response to randome (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:20 PM

82. summary = a brief statement that presents the main points in a concise form

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Response to randome (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:58 PM

85. so, how would you write the thread title?

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Response to WDIM (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:43 AM

73. But but but Hillary is all about women's rights

 

Hillary supporters told me so.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

3. In before the accusations that it wasn't what she meant or it was out of context

 

They'll be here soon.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:33 PM

14. She CLEARLY meant Republican obstruction!

 

You hater!!!

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:37 PM

20. And also in before accusations of "sexism" and irrational "hate."

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

4. As a woman who deals with preemies and special needs issues...

 

I have no words that are usable in polite company for my anger and outrage over this obscene willingness to legislate medical decisions to satisfy the right wing whackos she is attempting to court.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:11 PM

51. It's a dangerous slippery slope argument to be open to compromise on this.

 

In my 40 years of medical transcription, the few later term abortions I have done were without exception due to catastrophic anomalies, not as one Clinton supporter here argued "third trimester abortions on demand."

On this point, we cannot yield an inch. I am appalled at her willingness to bargain this important women's right away.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

5. The life and health of the mother. Would that include just not wanting to be pregnant?

 

Who would decide?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:22 PM

6. WOW!

I thought everything she said was great until I got to the bold part. The door to compromise on this issue should never be opened!

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:29 PM

10. anyone who thinks HRC is solid on abortion needs to get educated.

she's not. never has been. her and Bill both pioneered the art of "compromise" on this subject, resulting in parental notification, waiting periods, and NOW (b/c of that slippery slope) mandatory ultrasounds.

the "history" of the 90s is barely old enough to be history and already people have forgotten.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:31 PM

12. some of us aren't old enough to have been paying attention then nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:35 PM

16. books? internet? if you're interested in reproductive rights, it only takes a few hours to

get up to speed. if it's something that matters, it might be worth a little research time.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:09 PM

49. Legal, safe, and rare

couched in speeches about what a horrible decision it is to have to make. Conceding the shame narrative in RW ideology.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:32 PM

13. And mind you, this isn't some ancient embarrassment dredged up from the distant past.

 

This was less than six months ago.

Someone want to tell me again why my vagina means that I should support Hillary?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:35 PM

15. bcz there's a special place in Hell for women who don't support other women

or something like that.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:36 PM

17. Yep.

 

Ah,well...I'll be in good company.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:36 PM

18. Worst Presumed "Democratic" Nominee EVER.

 

Gawd, she just gets worse and worse.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:55 PM

27. This!^^^^^^10000!

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:37 PM

19. Clinton is going to betray EVERYONE who supports her now, on multiple issues!

She has NO strong convictions, and is NOT even a liberal.

Women (on abortion, support for Planned Parenthood, equal pay, etc.).
Workers (on TPP and every other issue of importance).
Students on debt.
African Americans on private prisons, mass incarceration & police murder and brutality.
Immigrants & their families (send them back to the RW death squad countries she helps create).
The elderly (Social Security is on the chopping block, believe me).
Health care (oh gawd!)
Fighting "Citizens United" (ha-ha-ha).
ALL supporters, on the Forever War (all except war profiteers--they won't be betrayed).

There is not an issue on which her unthinking, gullible supporters won't be betrayed.


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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:29 PM

46. People who want potable water should be on that list.

 

"Flint should never happen to anyone. Now let's start fracking."

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:49 PM

22. I, for one, welcome the all wise Hillary selling off my personal control over my own body.



Not.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:51 PM

24. is that a younger Kasich? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:57 PM

29. I can't tell. Misogynist Republican racist homphobes all look the same to me. nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:05 PM

32. lol nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:51 PM

25. Well, I guess if it's good enough for Planned Parenthood.....?

 

after all, they "endorsed" her straight from the git, they must know her position.

right?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:04 PM

31. Nice of her to advertise...

her willingness to compromise on abortion. I'm sure the other side will be thrilled to take her up on it. Maybe they'll hold the budget hostage so she can say she was "forced" to do it? Or trade it for consideration for one of her own pet projects? Or maybe she'll just offer it outright for a purely selfish reason... to get Repuke votes for her second term, donations, etc.

Obviously, abortion rights is not a sacred issue for her (what is?), so it's up for the highest bidder.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:09 PM

34. And the ideological gap between her and the republicans grows ever smaller

 

In fact she is well to the right of them on some things.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:18 PM

38. Women's rights, uh-huh. Thanks, Hill.

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:34 PM

39. Hillary is the same as she's always been. Third Way. Blue Dog Democrat.

I was encouraged to see most of the Blue Dogs leave Congress in the past several years, Blanche Lincoln especially. They are closer to Republicans than Democrats.

People claim Bernie is not a Democrat. I believe, in spirit, he's the only REAL Democrat running (an FDR/New Deal accolyte) and Hillary's the BLUE DOG Democrat willing to sacrifice Democratic gains to make deals with the Dark Side. Just.Like.Bill

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:44 PM

42. When will politicians give up gynecology as a hobby?

It's a legal procedure. End of story. Keep your noses out of the private lives of women. That means you, too, Hillary.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:20 PM

45. She can't be trusted. On anything.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:42 PM

47. Why aren't reproductive rights non-negotiable for her?

Here's what she just told AIPAC:

"W)e need steady hands, not a president who says he’s neutral on Monday, pro-Israel on Tuesday, and who knows what on Wednesday, because everything’s negotiable.

Well, my friends, Israel’s security is non-negotiable."

http://time.com/4265947/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-transcript/

Israel's security is non-negotiable but Hillary is willing to compromise on reproductive rights?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:10 PM

50. She's already starting to inch her way back to the center

 

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:17 PM

52. She's already starting to inch her way back to the

...far right.

Are we SURE she's not a mislabled Republican?

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:31 PM

56. but this interview was 6 months ago nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:10 PM

61. So, do tell.

Which iteration is she on now? SOP for her.

A coin toss holds fewer positions, depending on the audience.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:54 AM

79. She's never moved...this was 6 months ago

She was already tossing the right bones.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:27 PM

54. Welp... ANYONE care to defend this shit?

 




Un-Fucking-Believable

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Response to AzDar (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:06 PM

60. So far we got a 'politcal theater' excuse and crickets. NT.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #60)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:08 PM

66. Not even a page of

smilies as a 'defense'.

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Response to AzDar (Reply #54)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:36 AM

89. It's actually brilliant.

I'm not sure if anybody is reading what she said. Note the big "if" clause at the beginning of the sentence in bold. Hillary often does this: puts a big if clause next to something she's being asked to agree with, which only points out how unreasonable the demand is. In this case, not only does she emphasize the "if" clause, but she mentions that no republican is willing to come close to her requirements. In other words, she's pointing out that Republicans don't care about women's lives or health, while making it clear to anyone who is listening that she will protect women's reproductive freedom as president.

Of course, it's not a sound byte, nor an easy promise that can then be used to defeat her in the general election. It seems to me that many people would rather have a totally pure candidate who has no chance to win in November than a brilliant candidate who is being careful not to destroy her chances with the general public so early on. Has no one learned anything from the 2000 election?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:55 PM

57. And that is a huge

.....problem for me.

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Response to Bjornsdotter (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:11 PM

62. Wait til she weighs in on slavery, immigration, and allowing Muslims here.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:31 PM

64. This proves she can't be trusted to defend choice.

 

There is no situation in which she would even have to consider offering this compromise. There's never going to be a veto-proof anti-choice majority in both houses of Congress.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:53 PM

65. Someone here called it just political "blather"

And that is just what most of the voters are sick and
tired of.

It is the same kind of "blather" she uses for many issues,
which is exactly the reason for distrusting her.

Sorry, state your position clearly ( and not just on this
subject) and then explain the reasons for your
stand. If you cannot do that like in this case, you
don't deserve the office you crave.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #65)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:13 PM

68. If this is "blather" how are we supposed to know ...

... which of her expressed progressive positions are just blather too?

Once you know someone lies some of the time, you can't trust them.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:09 PM

67. Throwing women's rights under the bus!

 

Gotta wonder why women would be willing to vote her way. With Hill, it appears that everything Is negotiable. Nothing against Hill or her peeps. I just can't understand.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:12 PM

69. That's the problem with having no real convictions beyond winning.

 

What's funny is her supporters insisting she's just lying. So it's ok.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:36 AM

71. Everyone's big argument for Hillary is SCOTUS -

how does that work if she can't support choice?

Unbelievable.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:52 AM

78. Yup, Roe v Wade is already fragile. Hillary can't be trusted to keep it safe nt

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:39 PM

84. Plenty of women oppose a woman's right to choose - Republicans,

 

most all of them.

This just goes to show you, she'll say whatever she has to in order to win, and then she'll do whatever she has to in order to not have to make difficult decisions. Typical DLC Democrat.

She's little Ms. Shortcut - she's taken shortcuts at every step, trying to shortcut her way to glory and riches. She succeeded on the latter part.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

86. during a debate, they should play that tape & ask Hillary

if she has evolved in the past 6 months, or if she is still 'where she has been,' you know, willing to compromise on abortion rights

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:46 PM

87. How grand of her.

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:44 AM

91. Well, I guess we should congratulate her. She hasn't flip flopped.

 

I doubt she's actually flip flopped on a lot of things.

She just flip flops on what she says not what she will do

She clearly hasn't changed on her old views on restricting women's right to choose.

Thanks for vetoing that, Bill!

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:13 PM

92. and now she's posturing about being the champion of abortion rights

on MSNBC.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #92)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:19 PM

93. #WhichHillary? I admit to having no damn idea. nt

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