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Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:54 PM Mar 2016

Hillary didn't just vote for the Iraqi War

I keep hearing this over and over again from both sides. Hillary says her vote was a mistake and for one side all is forgiven. But, what is forgotten is that not only did she vote for the war she stumped for the war. She went out and lobbied for the war. She got other Democrats to vote for the war in other words. And she did it in payment for money to help rebuild New York City. She says this, I am not making this up I couldn't because I wouldn't think anyone would be that stupid. But, there it is. She could have lobbied for money for New York City no strings attached. Because who in their right mind believes it's even a possibility that not giving New York City funds to rebuild would get by the public without an uproar. No, New York City was going to get money. It might have been a bit of a fight, but probably no harder than lobbying for a war that many Democrats didn't want. And this is how we start losing progressives. This is how a third party grows.

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Hillary didn't just vote for the Iraqi War (Original Post) Kalidurga Mar 2016 OP
She lobbied for the bombing in Libya too Press Virginia Mar 2016 #1
This is the same argument the Republican's use against her scscholar Mar 2016 #2
Is something I said not true? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #3
I've never heard a Repub cry because a candidate voted for war! peace13 Mar 2016 #4
judge for yourself tk2kewl Mar 2016 #5
No, that is not the same argument the GOP uses against her. They like the Iraq, Libya and Syria wars leveymg Mar 2016 #8
Hillary "agreed" with the Republicans when she voted for the killing. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #10
Even a watch with a dead battery is right twice a day... Republicans, just on the law 1monster Mar 2016 #18
I wouldn't mind if she admitted her real mistake. HassleCat Mar 2016 #6
She repeated every one of Bush's lies, often verbatim. Then sold Iraq as a "business opportunity" arcane1 Mar 2016 #7
Yup! Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #11
yep tk2kewl Mar 2016 #12
Thanks, I look forward to checking that out! n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #15
She voted for the killing because a) She's monumentally stupid b) it was politically expedient. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #13
I hear she took up a machine gun and started screaming obsenities Dem2 Mar 2016 #14
Glad to see that Kali Durga has her eye trained on Hillary. . . good sign for the world pdsimdars Mar 2016 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #17
Living in NYC now, I'm glad she was able to secure that 9-11 reconstruction money. DanTex Mar 2016 #19
and MIC best friend Bernie votes over and over and over to fund more war. nt msongs Mar 2016 #20
Interesting opinion. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #21
knr amborin Mar 2016 #22
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
2. This is the same argument the Republican's use against her
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

When you agree with Republicans, you should reexamine the conclusion you jumped to.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. Is something I said not true?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

If it's true you should moderate your response to me. If it's not true you should moderate your response to me.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. No, that is not the same argument the GOP uses against her. They like the Iraq, Libya and Syria wars
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:08 PM
Mar 2016

You hear very little about Iraq from the GOP. Benghazi!!!!! is all about not sending enough troops and firepower into the region.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
18. Even a watch with a dead battery is right twice a day... Republicans, just on the law
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

of averages have to be, accidentally or otherwise, right every once in a great while.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
6. I wouldn't mind if she admitted her real mistake.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

Like so many Democrats, Clinton voted for the war because she was afraid not to. The old "duped by bad intelligence" excuse was transparent from the beginning. The "money to rebuild New York" is just going from the ridiculous to the sublime. She just needs to admit she was swept up in the hyper-patriotic fervor and did not dare oppose public war hysteria. There's really no shame in this. It happens on a regular basis, and only a handful of our elected representatives have the courage to oppose the public when they get whipped up for war.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. She repeated every one of Bush's lies, often verbatim. Then sold Iraq as a "business opportunity"
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

She wasn't tricked into that vote by Bush the master deceiver.

She agreed with it, 100%.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. She voted for the killing because a) She's monumentally stupid b) it was politically expedient.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

Note: I don't think she's stupid.

The only "mistake" she made was that her vote wouldn't rightfully come back to haunt her.

Response to Kalidurga (Original post)

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
14. I hear she took up a machine gun and started screaming obsenities
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

Things that cannot be repeated here, then pulled the trigger with a big ol' grin on her face.



(/s because satire isn't funny any more.)

Response to Kalidurga (Original post)

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. Living in NYC now, I'm glad she was able to secure that 9-11 reconstruction money.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

The IWR was going to happen one way or another, she couldn't have stopped it. Yes, her vote was a mistake, but they are separate issues.

And, no, she didn't accept the 9-11 money as a bribe, that's a myth propagated by conspiracy theorists.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
21. Interesting opinion.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

I seem to recall the vote being led by the Senate minority leader Tom Daschle and his deputy Harry Reid.

Hillary was a first term Senator, so do you have something of substance to back up that assertion that a first term Senator from New York weilded all of the power to whip up the vast majority of Democrats into supporting the HR 114?

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