An Open Letter to My Fellow Millennials on Hillary Clinton

[Light63]

"I am not asking anyone to stop supporting Bernie or to give up on him. Please continue supporting him, because it helps to pressure the Democratic party to move to the left. If you want to hold out hope throughout the primary, that is totally understandable. My only wish is that you stop demonizing Secretary Clinton. The memes and hashtags and negative propaganda need to stop. This rhetoric is extremely counterproductive, because at this point it doesn’t benefit Sanders as much as it hurts Clinton in the general election."

[Lil Missy]

1. They aren't in charge here anymore, and soon things are going to get even better

Once Hillary is officially the nominee, they won't be able to spread their venom about her anymore.

[highprincipleswork]

3. A D can always criticize a Democrat for acting Republican. I'm sure there will be many opportunities

If Hillary wants to win the election, her best best is to talk, act, and be Progressive.

[Lil Missy]

5. ......

She is winning the election without the advice of Bernie supporters.

[highprincipleswork]

6. We'll see. But from your comment, I guess you don't care if she acts Republican?

[bahrbearian]

12. Are they Moving the Oval Office to Leavenworth?

[leftofcool]

7. You won't be doing it here.

[highprincipleswork]

9. Again, we will see what censorship applies.

I am actually for a strong Democratic Party.

Don't hear much about that from Hillary supporters, or plans for such, just glee they are on the winning side for right now and no matter what the cost.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. From june to nov 9

Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Anti nominee statements will be shunned.

[highprincipleswork]

25. That's free and open democracy and discourse for you.

Those who refuse to listen to messages of the truth, instead of listening and actually doing something about them, are guaranteed to suffer consequences in the end.

[Waiting For Everyman]

4. What kind of rhetoric would you suggest for this:

Please see the OP too...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511538337#post57

Or this...
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/

I could go on, but I won't. What sort of language do you suggest? The invisible/inaudible kind?

She is not getting a pass on this. Don't even bother expecting it.

[leftofcool]

8. Meh!

[Blue State Bandit]

37. Of course Meh, no prob, right?

All in a day's ratf%#kery.

[mikehiggins]

10. If you lie as a matter of course you can't complain if people call you a liar.

Most people learn that in grade school. From the Bosnia sniper to "misstating" Sanders presence during the struggle over Hillarycare the US public has ample evidence of the way in which HRC conducts her political career. And this even with the media and almost all of the pundits largely in the tank for her.

As to the general election, the argument seems to be that Sanders should hold off from criticizing HRC for the "good of the party." Perhaps it would be better to figure out how someone with all of the advantages HRC started this campaign with could somehow end up slogging through a long, drawn-out campaign against a balding old Jew from Brooklyn who has almost no support from almost any official, across-the-board opposition from "leaders" who are very comfortable with the system as it now exists, has neither super-Pacs nor donors willing and able to pay thousands of dollars to sit down at a fund-raiser.

How could this even be happening?

Politically, HRC is sort of like Mike Tyson. Everyone knew for a fact that he couldn't be beaten. All those fight fans who bought into that scenario couldn't understand how he could lose, let alone that badly.

The complaint seems to be Sanders is showing up HRC's weakness as an actual candidate so he should shut up and stand down. Most certainly nobody on the GOPukes side has any intention of giving her a pass on anything.

[Betty Karlson]

21. ^THIS ^

[Loudestlib]

32. In case you missed it.

JDPriestly This message was hidden by Jury decision.

I'm not a millenial, and I have said many times that I will vote for all the other Democrats on

my ballot but not for Hillary.

She is corruption incarnate. It's quite easy to see.

Has she held any rallies recently?

I'd like to see what kinds of crowds she is drawing.

People vote for her because they don't know better.

Another abuse of the jury system.

[Betty Karlson]

41. That is indeed an abuse of the jury system.

But we know that someone is A-OK with the alert-stalking of Bernie-supporters by the recently pardoned.

We are well past the stages of ignoring and mocking. This is the stage where they fight us tooth and nail, dirty tricks and all.

And then we win.

[840high]

39. .^that

[JoePhilly]

13. Actually, it doesn't benefit Bernie and ...

... it's not hurting Hillary ... it's become background noise.

[Armstead]

15. Then just ignore it

[JoePhilly]

16. I like to point out how it's not helping Bernie

in the slightest just to see if the Bernie camp ever figures it out.

So far, most of them don't seem to get it.

[Armstead]

17. People are expressing opinions on a discussion board

That is the purpose of a discussion board, and as you noted conversations on DU are not going to sway the election.

[JoePhilly]

22. The phenomenon I describe is occurring...

... well beyond DU.

Bernie's message is getting lost in all that noise. And not only is it not helping him, it might actually be hurting him.

[bbgrunt]

38. well, in that case, maybe the Hillary people should encourage it.

[marions ghost]

14. This looks like

some comment from a Hillary campaign blog I guess.

"it helps to pressure the Democratic party to move to the left." = MYTH

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!! wah wah

She will get much worse from the Trumpster.

A lot of people don't admire her.

[aikoaiko]

18. It most definitely benefits Bernie Sanders.

HRC supporters have been saying that just about everything Bernie supporters say is hurtful to the party. Even his running as a Democrat.

And yet, he's been steadily gaining in polls. Bernie and his supporters need to fight for every vote and every delegate.

[yuiyoshida]

19. aikoaiko

arigatou!

[Betty Karlson]

20. "The memes and hashtags and negative propaganda" are facts and solid reasons not to want anyone

to vote for Clinton. So while the primaries continue, these facts and reasons will continue to appear all over the web. And hopefully, your candidate will not be nominated, so we won't have to hear the GOP bury us in a landslide, through pandering to the same anti-establishment anxiety that Clinton is desperate to ignore.

[Goblinmonger]

23. Jury results

I was #2

On Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:10 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

"The memes and hashtags and negative propaganda" are facts and solid reasons not to want anyone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1541551

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster is advocating voting against the Dem nominee with this statement:
"The memes and hashtags and negative propaganda" are facts and solid reasons not to want anyone to vote for Clinton."

Thus, a clear TOS violation and an automatic hide. Posters on DU need to stop helping Trump.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:22 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is no nominee as of this date as the person who sent the alert claims. Until there is an actual nominee, "facts and solid reasons" are allowed to be expressed.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hey, it's not time for the purge yet, so cool your jets. Secondly, "hopefully, your candidate will not be nominated" does not sound like this is about the GE but about the primaries.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Usually very reluctant to hide, but wishing the Dem candidate loses is not acceptable here.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is no reason to hide this post, they aren't advocating against voting for the nominee in my opinion. Sure they may not vote for the nominee if that person is Hillary (but that's really their business, and their decision) even if I don't agree with it. -Agschmid
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The incessant and absurd and never ending attacks of Hillary Clinton are very damaging, but I am not big on hides so I say let this crap stay.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Betty Karlson]

24. Some alerters really are... weirdly confused.

Thanks for showing the results.

[Dynamite Dave]

26. I reject Clinton.

She does not represent the millennials at all.

[Faux pas]

27. Any 'demonizing'

of hrc are self inflicted wounds.

[Miles Archer]

28. The fact of the matter is...

...that there will be a percentage of Democrats who will never be pro-Hillary, no matter who tell tells them to.

I've stated this on a number of occasions, but on this Website, Skinner gets to decide who plays, and who doesn't.

The policy has been laid down that "civil disagreement" between the Hillary and Bernie camps is OK during the primaries, not OK after that.

That presents the people who are less than enthusiastic about Hillary with two options:

1). Post in the Lounge, and post discussions in GD which have nothing to do with Hillary (or, at minimum, do not disparage her)

or

2). Go somewhere else.

I don't know what the pro-Hillary equivalent of "Feel the BERN" is, but I probably won't be posting it. It all seems very simple to me. If anyone feels the need to "vent" over Ms. Clinton, this may not be the place for them to do it,

[LAS14]

29. Differences on policy...

... between Clinton and Sanders can be argued through the convention to the benefit of the Democratic party as a whole. But demonizing Clinton on grounds of trustworthiness, whether or not there is any foundation (I don't think there is, but still), can only benefit Trump or Cruz. Surely that's worse?????

[RepubliCON-Watch]

30. Why should we stop critcising HRC??

It's the primaries for goodness sake, and right now we could care less about repercussions in the GE. If people are so afraid over criticisms because they think it'll hurt HRC in the GE, then maybe she shouldn't do these things that draw ire. How do you guys think that HRC + supporters are going to react to right-wing nonsense if y'all can't handle legit critiques in the primaries. Maybe this is a sign that HRC isn't the right candidate for the dems in 2016.

We have over half the nation still voting so if people get angry over critiques of Hillary, get over it!

[whatchamacallit]

31. No dice

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is "negativity".

What I see here on DU among Sanders supporters is scrutiny of a candidate for president.

[Blue State Bandit]

34. Democratic Underground is a political discussion forum, correct?

So why are so many here using fear as a justification to oppress speech? If HRC is such a strong candidate, then why does her campaign feel the need to lie about Bernie Sanders past, or use the fear of a republican to quash internal dissent? Lies about his voting record, lies about his supporters, lies about issues not even related to the campaign. But the most consequential issue that I hear over and over are the actions of her supporters.

If anyone here is interested in why so many feel uncomfortable or out right disgust to the point that they are forming a national voting block within the Democratic Party top withhold their vote for the top of the ticket -IF- HRC gets the nomination, look into a mirror.

BernieBros- The call by HRC camp (especially on DU) for the historic nature of the first female candidate, a myopic selling point (single issue perhaps). When questioned on any grounds what-so-ever, it is met with accusations of sexism and the questioner is branded as a BernieBro.

Electioneering tactics- The willfully-blind acceptance of GOP tactics by the HRC camp in the face of clear, video documented illegal actions in primaries and caucuses alike.

These are just a few that come to mind, a doppelganger of the tactics that historically drives Democrats to the polls to vote against Republicans. And now you are surprised that these same tactics are driving the progressive base away from the party establishment?

A little advice, the party should stop trying to handicap Bernie and sit the Clinton campaign (and DWS) down about the dirty Lee Atwater-esq tactics, which they are clearly not as capable of pulling off on the DL, because it's not Bernie that is damaging this party. It's Hillary, David Brock and everyone else in HRC's camp that enable this behavior.

And just so you all know, my ability to justify my vote for the eventual nominee has been eroding since December 18th, and my feeling for HRC will not keep me from voting for every Democrat below the first row. I'm a Democrat first, but I'm an American always.

[ThePhilosopher04]

36. Your candidate will be bad for America

millennials are smart kids and recognize this. The kids are the future.

[panader0]

40. The truth seems to have an anti-Hillary slant does it?

When FACTS are posted about HRC, that is not "negative propaganda".