'Why do they hate Hillary Clinton so much?'

[Agschmid]

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Before I got out of bed this morning, my wife asked: "Why do they hate Hillary Clinton so much?"

Although I voted in the primary for Bernie Sanders, my senator from Vermont, I don't dislike Clinton in the least. Quite the opposite. I will happily vote for her in November.

She is an admirable public servant, despite her obvious flaws, which are mostly the consequence of her decades in positions of authority. Every coin has two sides.

Her work as first lady certainly gave her a close view of life in the Oval Office -- a time of "daring and hubris," according to The New York Times' Peter Baker and Amy Chozick, when she learned how the levers of power work. Having served as a U.S. senator for eight years, she knows how Congress functions -- or doesn't. And she has a vast comprehension of foreign affairs, having visited 112 countries during her years (2009 to 2013) as secretary of state -- more than any previous person in that post.

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[hrmjustin]

1. I'm waiting for wikileaks to find that email to Pontius Pilate.

I just knew she ordered the crucifixion.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Oh, The Irony.

[hrmjustin]

6. At least you have style.

Great movie.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. Seriously. An underappreciated gem.

[Baobab]

73. Hiding the WTO trade deal that makes affordable health care impossible

and lying about it, trying to portray herself as a gift to health care when its actually the exact opposite.

Taking advantage of the media blockade and resultant American ignorance of the events of the last 20 years to repeatedly lie about issues like that.

[shenmue]

14. Dingdingding

[Wilms]

2. Let's see now.

Wall Street
Iraq
Libya
Egypt
Syria
...

[MiniMe]

10. You forgot White Water

The hatred started during Bill's presidency. And you forgot Benghaaazi

[Wilms]

24. No. I listed other issues.

You're free to not respond yo them, of course.

[Hortensis]

58. Decorating the White House Xmas tree with condoms!

That one hit America in the gut -- never to be forgotten or forgiven.

[Wilms]

61. What is your opinion on her involvment in Hondorus?

I see folks are having a lot of fun here, but that's not the case in many places where HRC has had influence.

[Hortensis]

109. That it is a prime example of

our inability to control what happens in highly dysfunctional nations.

There are Hondurases all over the planet, and with water disappearing and global warming it's only likely to get much worse. Obama's policy is to find a way for us to help in a limited way if we can -- without being sucked into their self destruction.

Btw, I have two grandsons who'll be 10 years old this year. Those people who want us to invade places like Honduras to "fix" them, involving us in land wars that might well still be going when they turn 18, should go sign up for the Army themselves. But plan to leave our children out of it; my grandsons aren't going to die protecting some oil pipeline in Central Asia from the civil war raging around it.

[Wilms]

114. You didn't address the question. And I'm perplexed by your response

And we are not "helping" anyone other than the oligarchic.

And who are "those people who want us to invade places like Honduras to "fix" them..."?? Not even Hillary has suggested that.

If you read this link, you'll understand why some are not happy about HRC regarding Honduras.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/24/hillary-clinton-emails-and-honduras-coup

There are many other sources. Print some out and give them to your grandsons when they reach age 17.

As a result of this campaign, a 17 year old asked me who Kissinger is. I gave him a thumbnail sketch and told him he could do his own research and formulate an opinion.

[Hortensis]

119. I really did. There are limits to what we can

do no matter how much we throw into a situation and limits to what we should try to do. We all, of course, know whatever good intentions we bring to a situation are constantly being blown up in everyone's faces.

[Wilms]

124. That is one of the reasons I do not want Clinton in the WH.

[fleabiscuit]

15. And don't forget the near miss asteroid.

[Wilms]

25. You mean the near miss sniper fire??

It's not an issue for me. Though it is pretty strange.

[Hortensis]

60. Nice of you to admit your snipes are misses, but I

disagree that they come near.

Nice post, Agschmid. By far most of Bernie's supporters are like that writer -- honest and decent people who feel they have two good choices this year. Would they were here too so his little sniper clique would be struggling to get a word noticed now and then.

[CorporatistNation]

135. Some Good Reasons...

[Darb]

66. All whining points that actually mean jack shit.

Nice try though..........not really. But there are certain Americans that would be extremely proud that you gave the effort. Good Americans not so much.

[Wilms]

69. Good Americans are OK with it.

Well, I suppose "good American" is subjective.

[Darb]

70. Good American do their due diligence.

They don't spread half truths, innuendo, and outright lies as facts.

[Wilms]

80. Many people not supporting Clinton have done that...and are waiting for others to do the same. n/t

[Darb]

81. As long as they don't spread lies, then fine.

What's your deal?

[Wilms]

82. My deal is HRC, CGI, and neoCon policies.

Are you really scratching your head that people find that sort of thing at issue??

[Darb]

83. Not the haters on the right, but here, yeah.

What's your deal?

[Wilms]

85. I told you what my deal is.

You can answer that, or let us all know what your deal is.

I do not like neo-Con policy. You??

[Darb]

93. Geez, how ridiculous.

Wall Street - Mere whining from people that do not understand that "Wall Street" and all of its intricacies are a large part of our economy and merely listing "Wall Street" with regard to Hillary Clinton is meaningless, unless of course you are being purposely obtuse. As for making speeches, if you are implying some sort of quid pro quo, then prove it.

Iraq - As Senator from a state that had the horror of 9/11 in its landmark city, voting for giving the President the option to go to war if WMD found (vote happened in September 2002, a year after 9/11/2001, Bush invaded in 3/2003) was a no brainer. Try to keep up, politics is a tough business. Bush elected to go to war, it is ALL on him. Implying that Hillary is to blame for "Iraq" is just plain willful ignorance, or worse.

Libya - So we should have invaded? Or should we have let the French and the Brits handle it? What the fuck do you guys want? I know what you want, to carp. The "Libya" situation started with the Arab Spring, then went south. That happens with big change, it sometimes turns violent. (See the American Civil War). Putting it on Hillary is a big, fat non-starter. There were a lot of players in a difficult situation and you don't know the half of it but you want to blame Hillary. How curious. Sanders wasn't there because he was not there. He was a Senator from Vermont, protected from tough calls on every goddamned thing.

Egypt - Started with the Arab Spring. See above. Did you want to go to war there? Invade Egypt too? WTF else are you refering to? I know the teabaggers would make an instant connection, but I don't. Why don't you just trot out the Arab Brotherhood?

Syria - Did you want to go to war in Syria? Invade? See above again. Make up your fucking minds. What the fuck are we supposed to do, will a good outcome?

And last but not least, calling Hillary a neo-con is just plain stupid.

Your points a whinings at best. Partisan at worst.

[Wilms]

99. You must think Wall Street donors are stupid.

Or that Sanders and his supporters are. HRC used the State Department as an ad-hoc marketing firm for Westinghouse.

You actually are going to tie 9/11 and Iraq? Actually, I hope you are since that would explain much and spare DU's server.

I am not putting EVERYTHING going on in the ME. I am not happy with her part, regardless of how significant it was. "We came, we saw, he died" is not Stateswoman-like. Period.

Calling her a neo-Con is quite accurate. Her actions speak to that.

[Darb]

101. Saying it doesn't make it so....prove it.

And I am tying the Iraq war resolution to 9/11, don't be obtuse.

I knew I forgot something..................

There, now what were you saying?

[Wilms]

103. Nice try, Darb.

I'll take these non/avoiding -responses, and your three hides in 90 days as an indication of your willingness to have a discussion.

Have a nice day.

[Darb]

106. Keep throwing out the............... talking points

and then layer on the obfuscation, nice and thick. Or perhaps, next time, you could consider bringing some facts to the party.

And yeah, I got some hides. They are a badge of honor.

[JonLeibowitz]

108. Of course he is going Tori's 9/11 to Iraq. Hillary herself lied about that one.

[marions ghost]

86. "Good Americans"

.....anybody not for Hillary is not a good American...

Sounds kinda fascist, kinda Trumpish thing to say.

[Darb]

95. Cute......but less than smart.

Figures a bernie would make that conclusion. Try to keep up.

[marions ghost]

118. Gov Christie, is that you?

[Darb]

133. Weak sauce.

If the bernies cannot stay with a thread then maybe you should keep out of it.

[marions ghost]

134. Cartman, is that you?

[840high]

127. It does.

[closeupready]

120. Wait! NOT FAIR!!!

[doc03]

3. Because she is the wife of the most popular

Democratic president of the century. That explains the Republicans I don't know what drives the Bernistas.

[sadoldgirl]

16. Wait a minute here: Are you considering

Bill Clinton to have been more popular
and more successful than FDR?

If so, I can only say WOW, what a gaffe!

[dsc]

84. could you be more of a sexist pig

I mean really

[JTFrog]

97. +1 n/t

[fleur-de-lisa]

102. Luckily the jury voted to hide that stupid post.

On Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:45 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Not just a gaffe. That would be called blinkered hubris.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1540231

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

What the fuck? Stop with the sexism people. We are about to go up against Donald Trump and this is the kind of shit you think is going to win people over to our side? Disgusting.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:52 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is inappropriate, in the extreme - HIDE!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Clinton's outfits are of notorious for poor fashion choices, but this is over the border insulting reducing a candidate to cover rather than book, image rather than substance or qualifications.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: We need to tone down our ugly criticism of our candidates. I'll start by hiding this sexist post.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I support Bernie and I think this is fucking stupid. Good god, can we please stick to the issues? Who gives a shit what Hillary wears? I'm more worried that she will drag us into another war or continue to sell us out to Wall Street.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. FDR was President in another century... the one preceding this century.

THAT'S a gaffe LOL.

[SomethingNew]

41. ...

Umm, so was Clinton...

[BillZBubb]

28. I can see why you support Hillary. You know nothing about Democratic history.

[pdsimdars]

96. I agree with this. . .

there are too many who think they are somehow equivalent because they are both running as Democrats. . . but they are eons apart.

[stonecutter357]

63. +1000

[Warren DeMontague]

5. I don't hate her. Somewhere there is middle ground between "hate her" and "ignore her flaws"

Specifically those what pertain to her record as a legislator.

[Agschmid]

7. That's fair. And I'm glad you don't "hate" her.

We all throw that word around way too much IMO.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. I'd be the first to acknowledge that a good chunk of the shit that is thrown at her is unfair

but unfortunately it gets munged together here with the legitimate concerns and criticisms many of us have.

Like that article- ostensibly asking "why do people hate Hillary Clinton"; well, in the case of Tucker Carlson, trotted out as an example of misogyny, is there really any point in even asking? Of course he hates HRC and he's a shitwit to boot. Moving on.

I think a decent portion of the problem is that a lot of us feel that the Democratic Party has been on ideological autopilot for a long time, and we see the 21st century well underway while our front runner fields a campaign and philosophical orientation 25 years out of date.

That said, if or when she actually wraps this thing up, I think you will find few Sanders supporters here who line up behind her as the nominee faster than I will.

[Agschmid]

12. Thanks Warren.

And if he were to end up as the nominee I'd be right there on the front lines with you.

[synergie]

45. And that is the difference between actual progressives and the ones playing them on

the internet for shits, giggles and a Rovian paycheck.

Regardless of who wins, real progressives will be voting blue. It is the sane thing to do. Especially given the level of guano-crazy on the other side, with all three of the characters left. Even sane Republicans are stating this now, we'll see how much of that cross over actually happens, but that's the surreal world we're dealing with now.

[Warren DeMontague]

131. Well, here's the thing. For one, you're wrong. Not everyone who feels these ways is a puppet, troll

or stealth republican.

I know. I had friends who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Some of those friendships almost ended because of the arguments I had with them at the time, and I certainly believe history proved my position- not theirs- right.

But they are sincere, good progressives who did what they did because of strong convictions, not "for shits and gigles" or because they secretly loved Karl Rove.

So I've said where I stand, but I'm not going to tell anyone else what to do, and even if I was so inclined I am certainly not operating under the illusion that insulting them on the internet is any way to convince them.

My advice to people genuinely interested in having Sanders folks come to support a HRC nomination, as opposed to people who just want to insult their 'enemies' and make clever snarky cheap shots "for shits, giggles (and a...?)"--- my advice is to be patient and let the Sanders folks come to their own calculations and conclusions on their own timetable.

The goose has to get itself out of the bottle.

[CoffeeCat]

76. I don't know Hillary Clinton

I will never vote for her, and my opinion is based on her policies and her actions.

It's as simple as that.

It's not personal. I have never met Hillary Clinton and I do not know her personally.

It's her politics. Plain and simple.

[marions ghost]

89. Right, it's what she represents

that is so abhorrent.

Personally I see her as humanly flawed, dishonest and greedy, but no different from many politicians who sell their souls.

Not hate--more like disgust. And a sense of betrayal. That's what I feel about Hillary.

[closeupready]

122. +1. People can love what they KNOW of her, but they can't love HER

if they don't know her personally. It's a subtle distinction, but one that you and I understand.

And frankly, I think you and I would agree that she seems likeable personally, from what we've seen of her in interviews and from her books, etc.

[yuiyoshida]

87. yes..

[Hekate]

9. KnR

[Fawke Em]

13. Well, I don't hate her, but I do very much dislike her cavalier attitude toward security policies,

her closeness with Wall Street, her horrible foreign policy decisions, her willingness to put choice on the table, her abilities to "get things done" when they're actually cross-overs to Republican policy...

I could go on.

[George II]

17. Envy.

[Gothmog]

18. I wonder about this hatred also

[Arugula Latte]

125. My dislike of her is entirely a result of her own actions and statements.

An example from today: her AIPAC speech.

She is like a breath of stagnant air, metaphorically speaking.

[sadoldgirl]

19. For heavens sake I don't know her, thus

hating her seems idiotic. Her past as a public servant
as well as her policies from then on are a different
story. I may detest those, but have no personal
relationship with her or any politician.

However, I do believe that the repugs hate her, because
her husband was very effective in undermining them
by selling the party out to the DLC, or now the
Third Way.

[Agschmid]

21. The republicans are going to "hate" either candidate we run.

[Buns_of_Fire]

52. They may even wind up hating their OWN candidate, if Rump wins.

They're consistent, if nothing else.

[Trust Buster]

22. It's all political. When the Republicans were accusing her and her husband of everything

from drug running to assassinating a childhood friend Vince Foster, they self righteously talked themselves into believing that they were doing it for the greater good of the country. Narcissism knows no party affiliation.

[Sunlei]

23. I think for many of "Them" it's Jealousy & Envy.

[Electric Monk]

53. I think for many of "You", that would be yet another case of projection. nt

[Texasgal]

27. I don't hate Hillary at all...

I honestly just picked Bernie in my primary because I think he represents my views just a bit better. If Hillary becomes the nom ( and it's looking that way ) I will enthusiastically support her.

I really don't get all this primary indifference. It's annoying and quite sad to be honest. The hate on both sides is embarrassing and so not needed.

[Agschmid]

29. I agree.

[pat_k]

33. The off-the-scale bashing is so disturbing...

I want to see Bernie in the White House, but if that doesn't come to pass, we still need to win back Congress, and do what we can to make as many parts of his New New Deal a reality as possible. That means continuing to organize. It also means that we need to elect the person most likely to sign any decent legislation that gets through into law. If she wins the nomination, that means Hillary.

I know many reject the idea, and I don't imagine anything I say is going to change any minds, but THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between Hillary and Trump (or Cruz). If for nothing else, for the sake of the Supreme Court. Any more right-wingnuts on the court, just say goodbye to... well, just about any of the hard won rights you might care about.

[synergie]

46. I think most the "hate" is found on the internet. Most sane folks in real life

share your attitude, they pick the person they like best in the primary, but they're on board with whomever wins. The frothing, the abuse, the misogyny and the violent hatred is on the internets.

[jillan]

30. I don't hate her. I just don't want her for my President.

Dramatic much?

[Agschmid]

31. Meh, it's a primary it's always dramatic.

[NWCorona]

50. I wish more people would realize this

People are taking this way to personal.

Still not 2008 levels tho.

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. A poet/novelist claims his wife asks him Hillary questions before he gets out of bed in the morning.

Y'all have fun patting yourselves on the back for finding such nuggets of realism and truth.

[Agschmid]

34. ...

[Hiraeth]

35. Thank goodness. I was beginning to think I was the only one.

I bet not even James Carville and Mary Matalin have that conversation first thing.

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. There's a reason the whole link wasn't displayed in the post.

Gee... what do you think it is? Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/20/opinions/why-the-hate-for-hillary-clinton-opinion-parini/

Now, what's the most important part of that link? Could it be... OPINIONS?

The opinion of a poet/novelist who's feelin' creative, says he voted for Bernie Sanders and talks to his wife about politics before he gets out of bed, but worries about Hillary's feelings... has them jumping for joy and putting it out there like a news item, then patting each other on the back, all the while hiding the text of the link.

Awesome for them.

[Agschmid]

39. Really? You think I didn't display the link because I was "hiding" something?

Good lord what a ridiculous assertion.

This place sometimes suprises even me.

[Darb]

67. "Ridiculous assertions" are their stock-in-trade.

Surely you knew what was coming your way.

[Agschmid]

68. Can't say I saw that coming...

Next time I'll post the full link, even if it's ridculously long and cannot be viewed on mobile view anyway.

[cherokeeprogressive]

110. Depends. Do you always go through the motions of linking two words on DU to an external site?

And it matters not that an entire link's text can't be read on a mobile phone; they still work.

[Agschmid]

112. Yes I typically do...

And did you miss on CNN's website the big "Opinion" right next to the CNN logo? I mean come on don't be ridiculous!



The article is clearly opinion, no attempt to hide it. This is ridiculous.

[cherokeeprogressive]

116. Come on. Ask anyone. I'm always ridiculous.

[NWCorona]

51. Lol!

That was so funny! I really wonder what their day to day convo consists of.

[redruddyred]

36. weirdly i know a lot of people who hate her

their reasons range from "closet lesbian" to "corporatist shill"
I don't hate hillary but i'm sad she's likely to be the democratic nom. hard to get excited about this year's GE as such. I'll vote for the downticket dems, but the prez race is shaping up to be a real snoozefest.

[PowerToThePeople]

40. Meh. Hate is too strong.

I will never vote for her, but don't hate her. She is in the wrong political party.

[marions ghost]

91. "she's in the wrong political party"

---exactly.

[MFM008]

42. Lies and lying liars

In 25 years at least HRC has had every move, every glance, her hair, and her cloths scrutinized. Republicans have told us for ALL those years she is a liar, she is untrustworthy, yada freaken yada. 25 years and investigation after investigation scraped out of nothing, finding nothing, nada, GOOSE EGG. 0. Dont any of you think is there was ANY there there, a smidge, an iota, a neutron they would have forced her out of politics???
And yet. Here she is, If you think she is a republican your as stupid as a Trump voter, she was never a republican when she SAID she was a republican. Not todays republican.
I choose not to listen to republican lies and stupidity.

[longship]

55. Who in the fuck scrutinizes her clothes?

I mean... Pant suits! And she undoubtedly has an entire closet of them. She has the most horribly sartorial taste of any presidential candidate ever! Not even Calvin Coolidge dressed as bad.

But I would never criticize a presidential candidate for her horrible dress code. I would criticize her for her horrible politics.
Social Security. National defense. Wall Street (especially that!). Treaties. Waging war. Money corruption in politics, which she seems to rather like a lot.

And she still calls herself a Democrat!

[Art_from_Ark]

64. +1

[Herman4747]

79. Hey, Einstein, the word you want is "you're"

...your as stupid as a Trump voter

[JonLeibowitz]

43. I don't hater her at all.

Actually just last night I watched her CSPAN biographical story (90 minutes). She is really quite personable and a warm-hearted person.

I just find that her positions on the issues are such that she and I align on almost nothing. And she shows no transparency as a politician, even to those in her own party. And she is an eager participant in a corrupt-by-design systems of corporate financing.

[Vattel]

44. I don't hate her. I wish her well. But I do find some of her behavior deeply disturbing:

Her cheerleading support for the invasion of Iraq, her willingness to smear a good man, her choosing policy positions for political reasons, her breathtaking dishonesty, her bigotry against gays and lesbians, her lack of concern for the wellbeing of nonhuman animals, etc.

[Cha]

47. Thank Agschmid!

[Armstead]

48. I don't hate Hillary. I just intensly dislike who and what she represents..

When not running for office, she's okay.

But not as a presidential candidate.

She is part of an elite clique that has made the Demicratic Party into a party of Wall St and Corporate Monopolies.

It has corrupted the pilitical system, and systemstically removed the Liberal and Progressive counterbalance to the GOP.

It is a brand of Democrats that assumes that politics is corrupt, and it contributes to that corruption.

[840high]

129. .+10

[SunSeeker]

49. K & R

[NWCorona]

54. This is a tough question if you are against Hillary Clinton for president

Notice I said against Hillary. I think it's tough because Hillary represents more than just Hillary and it's hard to separate the two.

For me my battle is with her Iraq war vote. Especially after the town hall where Hillary pretty much said it was because Bush give her funds for NY. Previously she said that it was because of faulty intelligence and she did apologize for it. The problem is even I knew the reasoning was crap.

I lost 23 friends and acquaintances as result of her vote. My ETS date was less than a month before two really good friends who were activated and ripped from their families and never made it back.

No I don't hate Hillary Clinton. I actually like her more than Bill. It's just that some of the policies she's pushed or championed for has had a negative impact on a lot of people. I will also never trust her judgment.

[Sky Masterson]

56. She lacks courage.

And she seems to feel entitled to get the job.
If you have to wonder why people hate her you also have to realize that people vote for who they like.
She has built in opposition that goes back decades.
She is the Equivalent of Nasty Medicine that the DNC and the Media is trying to force down our throats as if it is supposed to make us feel better when in actuality its a placebo that does nothing.

[Jamaal510]

57. She is a skilled,

well-accomplished, and influential politician. That's what drives her adversaries from all over the spectrum insane.

[DesertRat]

59. k&r

[livetohike]

62. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

65. I was ok with her until the Reagan as AIDS hero bullshit. Now I am just mystified and disgusted.

I do not understand her mindset at all, obviously she is ignorant of history which she actually lived through, she either has forgotten or never paid attention to the many testimonies she has heard about the brutal negligence of Ron and Nancy.
I do not understand how anyone in this Party could say what she said or think what she thinks. I do not understand why people in this Party who constantly proclaim they stand with minorities are so eager to gloss over her denial of Reagan's decimation of minority communities via his AIDS non policy.

[Betty Karlson]

100. ^This ^ issue is often missed.

[Baobab]

71. Hiding GATS

Hiding WTO-GATS, also the scheme to hide its connection to health care, also trading jobs for service concessions, which is likely to become a huge issue if a WTO case that was just started is lost by us and Canada, and quotas are banned. Expect 30-40 million jobs lost to workers who likely will make a quarter of what those currently holding the high skilled service jobs make. It will even devastate law and medicine and likely worsten the brain drain elsewhere. The goal is to equalize wages throughout the world at some much lower level than they are in developed countries today. Countries with strong unions will do better. It will make it impossible to change the laws here though, to make unions stronger because it freezes laws at 1998. So parts of the ACA, whichever parts the insurers dont like will be challenged, since its clearly a financial service.

[dlwickham]

72. K&R

[EndElectoral]

74. Visiting 112 countries doesn't give you a "vast comprehension of foreign affairs"

This has been evidenced by the abysmal foreign policy during her tenure during SOS and prior the destructive IWR vote.

Do I hate her? No.
Do I think her record as SOS is a poor one? No question.
Do I find her ties to Wall Street concerning? Very much so.
Do I find her continually evolving positions problematic? Yes.
Do I really know what Clinton would do while in office? In foreign policy I'm afraid I do, and fiscally I'm afraid I do. The rest I'm uncertain.
Can she beat Trump? I honestly don't know. It depends if Sanders voters turn out, the milennials, how much the a Trump nomination will fracture the Republican party, if a brokered GOP election puts up someone like Kasich, there are a lot of things.

I don't hate Hillary Clinton. She simply doesn't inspire me as a nominee. Her candidacy lacks vision, is a much more hawkish foreign policy than I can accept, is mired in controversy, and is one I loathe to vote for. Even though I've been a lifelong Democrat this is one I cannot campaign for or donate to in the GE. She may get my vote (haven't decided), but I can't really get behind supporting her via donation, local campaigning, or even discussion.

I don't consider this hate, I consider it struggling with my own beliefs and principles on what a Democratic candidate should stand for, versus voting the lesser of two evils.

[marions ghost]

94. Agree totally

--you encapsulate what I would have written here.

Her term as SOS did NOT give her a vast comprehension of foreign affairs--so glad Kerry's there now.

Hillary was so wrong for that job, as she is wrong for the presidency.

[ismnotwasm]

75. K&R

[Herman4747]

77. Why does she lie so much? n/t

[hereforthevoting]

78. I wish that she was just less Cheneyesque, not a great ask I don't think

[djean111]

88. Oh, my. How dramatic!

I wouldn't waste a moment of my time hating HER, I hate what she stands for.

War, corruption, cluster bombs, the TPP, egregious lies, sending those kids back to get killed to prove a point, her smear machine, fracking, private prisons, .......quite a list of things to hate.

And quite a list of things I cannot, in all good conscience, vote for
To try and characterize this as some sort of hatred against Clinton is just an attempt at deflection and misdirection. Would I be okay with all those things I listed if she were a man? Fuck no.

The important part is this - even if you want to sneeringly and dismissively call the objections to Clinton as mere baseless hate - well, you still won't get the votes or the support. Bottom line that whine. See what you end up with. You won't chasten anyone into overlooking her failures or her proclivities for things that hurt ordinary people.

[jcgoldie]

90. Good question

I wonder what it is about her that causes so many here to attempt to smear her record and stance on issues. It's like theres some way in which she's somehow different from almost every other candidate for president... hmmm???

[pdsimdars]

92. Ask the Hondurans (probably the Libyans too)

[Betty Karlson]

98. The author seems very clueless. I'm not buying it.

No mentioning of dirty campaign tricks, staunch opposition to gay rights until 2013, TPP flip-floping, Iraq War Resolutions, and so on. Or the fact that Clinton never takes up a position without first consulting a poll or a focus group. Or the fact that she never gives a straight answer before consulting with triangulation experts.

Or the fact that her entire platform is about the status quo - which has become untenable and is therefore loathed by a significant part of the Democratic Base, AND the majority of independent voters, in addition to the hatred the GOP feels for the Democratic establishment anyway.

Clinton is not just hated personally, but she is hated for representing all things that are wrong with the current situation. And the author misses that point entirely. That's curious, for someone who purports to have voted for Sanders, and might therefore be expected to have interacted with other Sanders supporters.

Also: please note the article's first paragraph, straight from camp Weathervane's web manual How to look like an acquiescing Bernie-supporter: "My wife supports Hillary but I voted Bernie in the primaries, but I will now happily vote for Clinton and by the way I think there is a lot of sexism. Everybody please make this about sexism and neither about issues nor about the status quo."

Yeah, not reccing this. Smells rather fake.

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. The author is a poet/novelist writing opinions on CNN. Poet/novelists never make stuff up!

[Agschmid]

113. It's an opinion piece, sort of like most posts here on DU.

[Scuba]

104. I don't hate her, but her past actions and her policies leave me cold.

[pdsimdars]

105. "hate" is a strong word. I wonder how people feel about those who swift boated Kerry?

You had a war hero, and some men made false statements for political reasons to smear his military record as a hero.

Is the feeling "hate" towards the kind of people who do that kind of thing? For their total lack of honor and decency, to an almost sociopathological level of disregard? It's hard to say what you'd call the feelings you have to people who do that sort of thing.

This is what the Clinton campaign has been doing to Bernie, lying and distorting the record of a good man. She looks right into the camera and tells lies she knows are not true. And even sends her own daughter to lie about Bernie. For instance, she keeps saying that Bernie voted against the auto bailout. Even FORBES called her out on it, saying it was a lie. She kept right on with it during the primaries in the rust belt.

I don't think I hate her, she has a nice smile, but I am disgusted with the kind of person who has no problem with saying anything at all that they think will get them to their ends. Absolute disgust! One has to ask, is there nothing she would not do? And as far as I've seen, the answer is no, there is nothing she wouldn't do.

I don't "hate" anyone, but her actions have shown she is not fit to be President.

[rock]

107. Two reasons

1) She's female;
2) She's successful.

[DookDook]

115. I don't hate Hillary, I don't support her stances on policies that are important to me.

I don't support her view on capital punishment, I don't believe that the state ever has the right to end someones life.

I don't support her view on abortion, I think that abortion is a medical procedure and should be treated as such, a medical procedure that is discussed by the patient and her doctor, I don't understand why anyone else would be involved in such a conversation.

[Avalux]

117. I don't hate Hillary, it's that I don't TRUST her.

There's a huge difference there, and misinterpreting distrust as hatred is something her campaign has done repeatedly.

There are a myriad of reasons to not trust Hillary, all stemming from her own decisions and actions in positions of authority.

I pay attention to people's actions, not so much their words.

[Ferd Berfel]

123. I"m with ya on this

Triangulation and talk are cheap.

[Vinca]

121. I don't hate Hillary, I dislike her policies.

And sometimes her voice is like nails on a chalkboard. If she's elected POTUS there's no way I'll be tuning in to her speeches.

[Arugula Latte]

126. Because of what she's done and what she's said.

Even today, with her AIPAC speech, she's proving what a horrible "leader" she is...Onward, into the neocon past with Hillary!

[Ed Suspicious]

128. I'll type it out again, but I think you guys aren't even reading the list.

I hate a lot of what she stands for.

[tokenlib]

130. A lot of us hate and despise the Third Way/DLC/New Dem Wall Street coddlers...

..that the Clintons helped bring to power. It isn't Hillary personally.

[snot]

132. Let's just dig into those "accomplishments."

"her . . . speech on the rights of women (which resulted in?), her . . . work on climate change (? which resulted in?)

" and her skill as a senator in guiding the Children's Health Insurance Program through Congress" She was not a senator at the time. ; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Children's_Health_Insurance_Program for the history. The legislation seems to have been mainly Ted Kennedy's baby.

"She helped to negotiate a ceasefire with Hamas during a tense moment in Israel. I think of her successes in forging alliances in South America, Africa and Asia, and her part in establishing tough sanctions against Iran."
This is pretty vague; I don't have time to research it, but if her accomplishments were concrete, I'd think something more specific could be said.