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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's Over Gandalf. We Need to Unite Behind Saruman to Save Middle Earth from Sauron!
Ive been on Team Gandalf ever since he first visited the Shire. It was so nice to see a wizard who was truly a wizard of the people. The kind of wizard who wouldnt even throw you in a dungeon for smoking a little Longbottom Leaf or Old Toby. Here was a wizard who didnt have a big fancy tower. His staff and cloak were rather plain and grey. And he had quite a dream, didnt he?
Gandalf had the crazy idea that some little hobbits could stand up to and defy the power of the billionaire class Dark Lord Sauron. But I guess that was a pipe dream after all.
Gandalf failed. He got his ass locked up atop Sarumans tower when he foolishly defied the head of the Democratic Party council of wizards. And now that hes locked up its not like some eagle is going to magically appear and rescue him. Its over. And now Saruman is our only hope against Sauron.
We need to stop saying nasty things about Saruman or it will be difficult to rally the people of Middle Earth to his side. Here are some things we should no longer mention, or if we do, we should put a positive spin on them so people will still see Saruman is our only hope.
Sarumans Environmental Record: While it is true that Saruman has supported clear cutting huge ancient forests, and while an old hippie tree hugger like Treebeard might tell you lots of those trees were his friends, we ARE talking about trees here. And sure, Gandalf has a much better record on the environment but hes done now. Its time to focus on how much worse Saurons environmental record is. I mean, have you seen Mordor?
Sarumans Being in League With the Dark Lord: Okay, okay. Its true. Saruman did go to Saurons wedding. But that was a LONG time ago when Sauron still had both eyes. And fake hair. Its also true that Saruman may have promised to do the dark lords bidding and to find the ring of power and give it to Sauron. But cmon! You know Saruman was just doing that because he plans to ultimately betray Sauron after hes done betraying us!
More:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/17/1503088/-It-s-Over-Gandalf-We-Need-to-Unite-Behind-Saruman-to-Save-Middle-Earth-from-Sauron
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It's Over Gandalf. We Need to Unite Behind Saruman to Save Middle Earth from Sauron! (Original Post)
Katashi_itto
Mar 2016
OP
Gandalf isn't what we consider a good churchgoer, wink wink nudge nudge
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2016
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SidDithers
(44,273 posts)1. 1172 to 846...nt
Sid
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)6. Sauron's armies outnumbered them too, but what happened?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)2. Gandalf isn't what we consider a good churchgoer, wink wink nudge nudge
And he has that annoying accent.
I don't know, there's just SOMETHING about him that I don't like. Can't say what it is
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)3. I guess I'll kick it...
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)4. Too funny
Sadly, I heard Kos banned that member. The member posts elsewhere now, so all is not lost. I guess we won't be silenced after all.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)5. Sanders is more like Boromire than Gandalf.
Thinking he has the right to take something that he hasn't earned - and prevent The One who did earn it from having it.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)7. Boy are you wrong.