The latest attack - 'Bernie's a grifter so stop sending money'

[whatchamacallit]

Suddenly everywhere you look blogs and posts are proclaiming "the money Bernie has raised isn't translating into votes, so what's it really for?!?". Obviously, the idea behind this latest sick fuckery is to make you believe Bernie knows he's going to lose, so he's bilking you on the way out the door. What motivates this kind of desperation? I thought these folks were winning.

[cantbeserious]

1. Further Evidence That The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Is Actively Working To Split The Party

eom

[riversedge]

9. OP provided no evidence. but I see you just make stuff up on who or what to blame.

[whatchamacallit]

15. This message is replicated all over the board

You know it.

[MineralMan]

24. Then it would be easy to provide some links to support

your claim, I'd think.

[whatchamacallit]

29. Start with some of the responses in this thread

Why play dumb MM? They're all over.

[MineralMan]

30. I'm not playing dumb. I'm asking you to show me

your evidence that this is "all over the board." I don't read every thread, much less every post in every thread.

You made the claim. It's up to you to support it, really.

[riversedge]

35. Happy first Day of Spring....

the sun is out--first time in long time (actually peeked out a bit yesterday). I am going for a walk but thought you might enjoy.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Look below

[whatchamacallit]

36. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511536490
followed by this response http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511536490#post1

Or how about this http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1535064

Or this http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1534917

Should I continue?

[CorporatistNation]

31. As Has Been Said Elsewhere On This Board, Hillary Should Quit For The Good of The Party and...

The American People... She will not be able to evade her record in the GE like she has in the primary...

[scscholar]

63. Considering he isn't most elitable...

I can understand their position.

[vintx]

3. Third-way republican-lite shills have adopted the VRWC's tactics.

It's disgusting, but then what about them isn't?

[Jenny_92808]

39. +1

[noretreatnosurrender]

4. Very Funny

It is funny isn't it? If you are so convinced you are the winner why all the attacks? Their words say one thing but their actions say another.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Maybe he's running so Wall Street will hire him to entertain them like they did another candidate.

[Avalux]

6. Of course. They want Bernie's supporters to give up on him.

Thing is - Bernie hasn't given up on us for DECADES. He's been fighting for the regular peeps his entire career so trying to smear him as a grifter is just idiotic.

But yeah - the marching orders came out from Hillary Inc. and their minions dutifully comply with this latest version of character assassination.

[CorporatistNation]

34. Hillary And Bernie, Then and Now! Hillary Will NOT Evade The TRUTH About Her Record AND Character

in a General Election.

[Autumn Colors]

7. This makes no sense

If the money ISN'T translating into votes for Bernie, then why would his opponent ... ANY opponent ... waste energy and money bothering to attack him? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just let him spin his wheels, so to speak? If anything, this indicates the exact OPPOSITE ... that it is working and the opponent needs to take any and all measures to stop the constant flow of incoming money.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Don't you see? They're trying to 'save us' from a despicable con artist.

[riversedge]

13. Nah, I would not try to save your side. Why bother. the ship is sinking all on its own.

Metaphorically speaking just you know.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Then why the new meme?

[riversedge]

33. I have not noticed it. think you all just made it up. But enjoy--its SPRING...

[LexVegas]

10. Tad is going to cash in. Cant necessarily blame him. Gotta support his family. nt

[grasswire]

12. yeah, the man makes just over 100 grand a year.

For the duration of the campaign.

Probably works a hundred hours a week for that.

He's not in the 1 percent.

How much did the Clintons rake in last year?

[uponit7771]

17. 100 grand puts him near the 5% IIRC, he'll cash it... minds well

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Fact is some on DU have cash rolling into their home from campaigns, would you like their names?

Employees of campaigns are public record.

[ebayfool]

60. Wish there was a rec for posts button I could pound a brazillion times! n/t

[Newkularblue]

66. Sunshine... disinfectant... you know the rest.

Dunno if it would violate TOS but would be an interesting thread.

[LexVegas]

69. Yeah...I would like their names. PM me if you would like.

[grasswire]

11. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Bernie's peeps are too smart to fall for that.

[Vinca]

16. Hillary should have so many donors.

I've given to Bernie more than once and might give again. I'm happy the message is getting out that we aren't entirely a Republican-lite party. The wallet closes if Hillary is the nominee. She might get my vote in an effort to defeat Trump, but the insults and nastiness against Bernie and his supporters does not inspire me to give her campaign a dime.

[noamnety]

73. LMAO at people donating to hillary

I donated to Bernie.

I sure the hell can't understand individuals donating to hillary. Isn't she able to donate without limits to her own campaign? Can you imagine donating to someone with $100 million net worth? Maybe there are a lot more mega-millionaires on DU than I imagined, but I just can't wrap my head around basically a go fund me campaign for someone who's got more money than I could figure out how to spend in 10 lifetimes.

[pdsimdars]

18. But you know what this means . . . . . .. it's a call to send another donation and swamp

the corporate sell outs in PEOPLE'S SUPPORT. . . .

[Hydra]

19. Maybe jealousy? They need it for their own campaign?

And yes, I do keep smelling terror. I really want to know what they're so afraid of in the next few months. The screams for party unity, for Bernie to back off and now for him to give up the money donated to him to fund ____ are pretty loud and urgent.

[sibelian]

44. They know how badly they've fucked up. They've split the base. Properly.

And possibly for good.

[Surya Gayatri]

20. Very lucid question, IMHO...

"...the money Bernie has raised isn't translating into votes, so what's it really for?!?"

If I was emptying my hardscrabble piggy bank to send 27 bucks every week, I'd probably be having second thoughts, too.

[whatchamacallit]

21. Glad to see I wasn't overstating the prevalence of this foul meme

Please continue...

[Surya Gayatri]

22. First time I've seen this question was in the OP.

That said, sounds logical to me...

[whatchamacallit]

23. Uh huh...

[Surya Gayatri]

25. Whatev...

[bkkyosemite]

26. What crap they will pull....to do everything to win.

[KingFlorez]

27. Every day there seems to be some supposed new "attack"

Yet the supposed attack seems to always originate from a Sanders supporter blaming Clinton for the new attack.

[Trenzalore]

38. Fundraising must be falling behind expectations

[villager]

28. Corporadoes terrified of another funding source that could counter-balance their own corrosive cash

Would put too many offices "into play" for actual, less "ownable" progressives....

[Karmadillo]

32. Bernie's using that money to create a genuine opposition to the theft of this country by the 1%. I'd

say we're getting even more for our money than the corporations who toss $250,000 at Secretary Clinton for a one hour speech.

[whatchamacallit]

43. +1

[PeoViejo]

40. As for me...

I'm fed up with Hillary's Traitorous "Family Values"

[Renew Deal]

41. Close, but not exactly

Weaver and Devine know he's going to lose, but they have convinced Bernie to hang on so they can line their pockets for a couple more months.

[whatchamacallit]

42. Oh look, more internet libel

It's so fun and easy!

[Renew Deal]

45. Just wanted to clarify

And it's based on the idea that everyone involved is reasonable.

[hellofromreddit]

48. What if Sanders feels obligated to complete the primary?

You know, since he's representing millions of voters.

That's perfectly rational.

[arcane1]

55. Exactly, that's the stupid shit being said right now. Only dumb-asses would believe it n/t

[nc4bo]

46. They dont get it. That shit ain't gonna happen as long as he's in, we're in.

Fuck it, we have nothing to lose!

[senz]

47. I am glad to see our local Hill fans disavowing this

because if they didn't, I'd have to place them below Republicans rather than on a par, where they now reside.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. Hell of a predictable trope for a crew of people currently being outed as frothing antisemites...

'The Jewish candidate we always bash is in it for the money, just don't blame my friends and forgive me now!'

[whatchamacallit]

52. Expect a lot more now that the inmates are running the asylum

[pdsimdars]

51. And that from the Clintons of all people . .. . .wow . . . .pot meet kettle!

[arcane1]

53. I've been seeing lame variations of that right here on DU the past week or so.

Sanders is using our donations to support relatives and friends, that sort of thing.

The Clinton Crew is more desperate than I had ever realized

[Kip Humphrey]

54. Oops! Time to send Bernie money again! Thanks, Hillary Campaign, for the reminder!

[CalvinballPro]

56. Tad Devine gets paid when Bernie spends, so of course he's encouraging more spending. Duh.

Tad Devine is the Mark Penn of 2016. He doesn't care about the campaign; he cares about how much he can profit from the campaign.

[whatchamacallit]

57. We get it, Bernie won't drop out (with more than half the delegates still to vote)

so smear his campaign. Awesome!

[CalvinballPro]

59. What's your argument going to devolve into once we've allocated more than half the delegates?

Better come up with something, because that moment is fast approaching.

[arcane1]

61. I'm sure you'll parrot some other made-up bullshit then. And fool no one.

[whatchamacallit]

62. You haven't yet, so until then this is a transparent smear

[arcane1]

58. Cool story.

[FlatBaroque]

64. Bold Prediction: Fundraising wave for Bernie coming up

[whatchamacallit]

65. It's definitely inspired me

Take my money flimflam man!

[amborin]

67. the HRC campaign is actually running scared; the nomination is still wide open; Bernie has been

outraising them

[dana_b]

68. to hell with them

all of them.

They are SCARED!!! And they should be.

And if some twit comes along with that stupid - then tell me this, if they're not worried, then WHY come up with all of the bullshit lies and stupid memes? Nothing to do on a fine Sunday? No lives to worry about?

[wildeyed]

70. Nope, only seen it from you!

It's your money, no one cares what you do with it.

[whatchamacallit]

72. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511536895#post36

There's plenty more, but you'll have to dig it up. Lots of confirmation in this thread as well.

[wildeyed]

74. It remains that I only saw it from you.

I would not be aware if you were not re-posting this. Counter productive, IMO. Don't reply and stuff like that will die on its own. But now they know if gets under your skin, so prepare for more!

Also, it was a couple of random blog posts. Most of us don't take that kind of thing all that seriously.....

[whatchamacallit]

76. So, you didn't bother to check before claiming it was false

Sounds about right for your group.

[wildeyed]

77. Didn't say it was false.

Just that I hadn't seen it until you posted. Also, who is "my group"? Curious to know.

[whatchamacallit]

78. I love how you admit there will be more

"Thanks for hipping us to a new smear, we'll be sure to use it".

[wildeyed]

79. LOL!

You are shooting yourself in the foot, not me. Just pointing out the obvious. I have very little interesting in smearing you. It is too easy. I am kind of bored with this already and will probably go read or watch old seasons of Walking Dead soon.....

[whatchamacallit]

80. Not me, Bernie

but you knew that... I hope.

[cherokeeprogressive]

71. I'm almost halfway to maxing out my $2700 and ain't done yet.

[whatchamacallit]

75. :)

[Trust Buster]

81. I travel around the Internets pretty regularly and have seen no evidence of this narrative.

[whatchamacallit]

83. Did you bother to read

the links I posted elsewhere in the thread or any of responses directly parroting the trope? Or did you simply read the title and decide to pop off?

[Trust Buster]

87. Doesn't really matter. I travel regularly around the Internets and have not heard this meme.

That tells me that us not a prevalent belief.

[whatchamacallit]

88. My post was more about what I'm seeing here

Glad it hasn't caught fire.

[HooptieWagon]

82. Another Brock talking point smear job. Hillarians eat that up.

Well just keep digging in to out wallets as long as Sanders needs it.

[Califonz]

84. Sure, like he got paid $265,000 for a speech to Wall Street millionaires

Total grifter.

[NCTraveler]

85. The money is to get his message out.

His team is brilliant at separating his base from their money. A buddy of mine does weekly contributions set up to total the max. That investment simply makes them feel invested. It was a great move on the campaigns part. The vote aspect is insignificant. It's about getting the message out.

[whatchamacallit]

86. Apparently some Hillary supporters

think it's about a "payday". I'd appreciate it if, when you see that talk, you'd correct them.

[NCTraveler]

89. Discussing the possibility it might be something else...

With Clinton supporters doesn't seem to give me the same warm feeling as correcting Sanders supporters. I still speak my own mind independently, though.

I know you understand that.

[litlbilly]

90. Wow, all I can guess, their heads are spinning and they cant think of anything. Talk about

just throwing shit against the wall.

[liberalnarb]

91. Almost every campaign in moder history has asked for donations and raised money.

But because Bernie is doing it, hes a "grifter".

[Buns_of_Fire]

92. I think it's a matter of degree.

Ask for $27 donations, you're a grifter. Demand $2700 donations, you're a Really Effective Fundraiser.

I think asking for $225,000 "donations" -- paid directly to the candidate's bank account -- qualifies you for something else altogether, but we needn't bother going into that.

[basselope]

93. By that logic, Hillary is the FAR bigger grifter.

With her pac's, she has outspent Sanders.

Total spent by Bernie = 81MM

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000528

Total spent by Clinton = 110MM

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000019