# 2016 Postmortem

Related: About this forum# The latest attack - 'Bernie's a grifter so stop sending money'

Suddenly everywhere you look blogs and posts are proclaiming "the money Bernie has raised isn't translating into votes, so what's it *really* for?!?". Obviously, the idea behind this latest sick fuckery is to make you believe Bernie knows he's going to lose, so he's bilking you on the way out the door. What motivates this kind of desperation? I thought these folks were winning.

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#### cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)eom

#### riversedge

(72,214 posts)#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)You know it.

#### MineralMan

(147,166 posts)your claim, I'd think.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)Why play dumb MM? They're all over.

#### MineralMan

(147,166 posts)your evidence that this is "all over the board." I don't read every thread, much less every post in every thread.

You made the claim. It's up to you to support it, really.

#### riversedge

(72,214 posts)the sun is out--first time in long time (actually peeked out a bit yesterday). I am going for a walk but thought you might enjoy.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)followed by this response http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511536490#post1

Or how about this http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1535064

Or this http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1534917

Should I continue?

#### CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)The American People... She will not be able to evade her record in the GE like she has in the primary...

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#### scscholar

(2,902 posts)I can understand their position.

#### vintx

(1,748 posts)It's disgusting, but then what about them isn't?

#### noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)It is funny isn't it? If you are so convinced you are the winner why all the attacks? Their words say one thing but their actions say another.

#### Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)#### Avalux

(35,015 posts)Thing is - Bernie hasn't given up on us for DECADES. He's been fighting for the regular peeps his entire career so trying to smear him as a grifter is just idiotic.

But yeah - the marching orders came out from Hillary Inc. and their minions dutifully comply with this latest version of character assassination.

#### CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)in a General Election.

#### Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)If the money ISN'T translating into votes for Bernie, then why would his opponent ... ANY opponent ... waste energy and money bothering to attack him? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just let him spin his wheels, so to speak? If anything, this indicates the exact OPPOSITE ... that it is working and the opponent needs to take any and all measures to stop the constant flow of incoming money.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### riversedge

(72,214 posts)Metaphorically speaking just you know.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### riversedge

(72,214 posts)#### LexVegas

(6,412 posts)#### grasswire

(50,130 posts)For the duration of the campaign.

Probably works a hundred hours a week for that.

He's not in the 1 percent.

How much did the Clintons rake in last year?

#### uponit7771

(91,245 posts)#### Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)Employees of campaigns are public record.

#### ebayfool

(3,411 posts)#### Newkularblue

(130 posts)Dunno if it would violate TOS but would be an interesting thread.

#### LexVegas

(6,412 posts)#### grasswire

(50,130 posts)Bernie's peeps are too smart to fall for that.

#### Vinca

(50,793 posts)I've given to Bernie more than once and might give again. I'm happy the message is getting out that we aren't entirely a Republican-lite party. The wallet closes if Hillary is the nominee. She might get my vote in an effort to defeat Trump, but the insults and nastiness against Bernie and his supporters does not inspire me to give her campaign a dime.

#### noamnety

(20,234 posts)I donated to Bernie.

I sure the hell can't understand individuals donating to hillary. Isn't she able to donate without limits to her own campaign? Can you imagine donating to someone with $100 million net worth? Maybe there are a lot more mega-millionaires on DU than I imagined, but I just can't wrap my head around basically a go fund me campaign for someone who's got more money than I could figure out how to spend in 10 lifetimes.

#### pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)the corporate sell outs in PEOPLE'S SUPPORT. . . .

#### Hydra

(14,459 posts)And yes, I do keep smelling terror. I really want to know what they're so afraid of in the next few months. The screams for party unity, for Bernie to back off and now for him to give up the money donated to him to fund ____ are pretty loud and urgent.

#### sibelian

(7,804 posts)And possibly for good.

#### Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)If I was emptying my hardscrabble piggy bank to send 27 bucks every week, I'd probably be having second thoughts, too.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)Please continue...

#### Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)That said, sounds logical to me...

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)#### bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)#### KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)Yet the supposed attack seems to always originate from a Sanders supporter blaming Clinton for the new attack.

#### Trenzalore

(2,490 posts)#### villager

(26,001 posts)Would put too many offices "into play" for actual, less "ownable" progressives....

#### Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)say we're getting even more for our money than the corporations who toss $250,000 at Secretary Clinton for a one hour speech.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)I'm fed up with Hillary's Traitorous "Family Values"

#### Renew Deal

(82,801 posts)Weaver and Devine know he's going to lose, but they have convinced Bernie to hang on so they can line their pockets for a couple more months.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)It's so fun and easy!

#### Renew Deal

(82,801 posts)And it's based on the idea that everyone involved is reasonable.

#### hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)You know, since he's representing millions of voters.

That's perfectly rational.

#### arcane1

(38,613 posts)#### nc4bo

(17,651 posts)Fuck it, we have nothing to lose!

#### senz

(11,945 posts)because if they didn't, I'd have to place them **below** Republicans rather than on a par, where they now reside.

#### Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)'The Jewish candidate we always bash is in it for the money, just don't blame my friends and forgive me now!'

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)#### arcane1

(38,613 posts)Sanders is using our donations to support relatives and friends, that sort of thing.

The Clinton Crew is more desperate than I had ever realized

#### Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)#### CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)Tad Devine is the Mark Penn of 2016. He doesn't care about the campaign; he cares about how much he can profit from the campaign.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)so smear his campaign. Awesome!

#### CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)Better come up with something, because that moment is fast approaching.

#### arcane1

(38,613 posts)#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### arcane1

(38,613 posts)#### FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)Take my money flimflam man!

#### amborin

(16,631 posts)outraising them

#### dana_b

(11,546 posts)all of them.

They are SCARED!!! And they should be.

And if some twit comes along with that stupid - then tell me this, if they're not worried, then WHY come up with all of the bullshit lies and stupid memes? Nothing to do on a fine Sunday? No lives to worry about?

#### wildeyed

(11,243 posts)It's your money, no one cares what you do with it.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)There's plenty more, but you'll have to dig it up. Lots of confirmation in this thread as well.

#### wildeyed

(11,243 posts)I would not be aware if you were not re-posting this. Counter productive, IMO. Don't reply and stuff like that will die on its own. But now they know if gets under your skin, so prepare for more!

Also, it was a couple of random blog posts. Most of us don't take that kind of thing all that seriously.....

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)Sounds about right for your group.

#### wildeyed

(11,243 posts)Just that I hadn't seen it until you posted. Also, who is "my group"? Curious to know.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)"Thanks for hipping us to a new smear, we'll be sure to use it".

#### wildeyed

(11,243 posts)You are shooting yourself in the foot, not me. Just pointing out the obvious. I have very little interesting in smearing you. It is too easy. I am kind of bored with this already and will probably go read or watch old seasons of Walking Dead soon.....

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)but you knew that... I hope.

#### cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)#### Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)the links I posted elsewhere in the thread or any of responses directly parroting the trope? Or did you simply read the title and decide to pop off?

#### Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)That tells me that us not a prevalent belief.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)Glad it hasn't caught fire.

#### HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)Well just keep digging in to out wallets as long as Sanders needs it.

#### Califonz

(465 posts)Total grifter.

#### NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)His team is brilliant at separating his base from their money. A buddy of mine does weekly contributions set up to total the max. That investment simply makes them feel invested. It was a great move on the campaigns part. The vote aspect is insignificant. It's about getting the message out.

#### whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)think it's about a "payday". I'd appreciate it if, when you see that talk, you'd correct them.

#### NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)With Clinton supporters doesn't seem to give me the same warm feeling as correcting Sanders supporters. I still speak my own mind independently, though.

I know you understand that.

#### litlbilly

(2,227 posts)just throwing shit against the wall.

#### liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)But because Bernie is doing it, hes a "grifter".

#### Buns_of_Fire

(17,722 posts)Ask for $27 donations, you're a grifter. Demand $2700 donations, you're a *Really Effective Fundraiser.*

I think asking for $225,000 "donations" -- paid directly to the candidate's bank account -- qualifies you for something else altogether, but we needn't bother going into that.

#### basselope

(2,565 posts)With her pac's, she has outspent Sanders.

Total spent by Bernie = 81MM

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000528

Total spent by Clinton = 110MM

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000019