2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA summary of Hillary Clinton's role in the recent history of African Americans.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Spacedog1973
(221 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)But stick with it.
This stuff knocks pro-Bernie OPs deeper into tge GDP stack.
Great strategy!!!
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)as a black person, i despise the clintons' role in both welfare reform and helping to facilitate mass incarceration. i also despise they way they cynically manipulate race for their benefit. some of us remember 2008 and the other clinton administrations.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)are actually bragging we have growth and prosperity..........for those on the top of course.
Broward
(1,976 posts)if she anonymously posted some of the things she's said here?
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)among certain groups where Hillary derives a lot of votes in spite of the facts, in spite of history.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Ms. "Jeanette Sandernista" must not be making a very compelling case in her illustrious career as a...youtube and vine personality. (sad that that is actually "a thing"
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)there are many reasons. same is true for black people.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Really?
vintx
(1,748 posts)and certain age groups cannot keep up.
It's wild to think of them clinging to paid 'journalists' when anyone who's paying attention knows that only independent media is worth a shite anymore, but hey... it's a primary season full of surprises.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Depends on the person with the Twitter feed.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)They owe the Clintons.
While the conditions of the Black working class got worse.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)and is instead duped by the leaders of the black community, who are corrupt?
Well, unlike the others, I appreciate your candid response at least.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)I don't think "average black person" is any different than avg white person. They can be duped by media same as GOP lovers are with fox news. You should stop thinking black people are not people and that they are different because they have different color skin than you.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)We're all different; the key is to not judge someone based on those differences alone.
You'll pick up on that someday, I have faith.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Look it up. Let me know if you need any help...
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Still doesn't understand why Sanders has zero appeal to persons of color.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Oh, and it's probably way, way too much to ask that you recognize the irony in your post, juxtaposed as it is with my previous reply, huh?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)"Support so astonishingly small as to be statistically insignificant".
Better?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Twitter, tumblr, wherever you participate.
This has to get out there because her PR machine is selling her as an ally and SHE IS NOT.
#stillsanders #whichhillary
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... never representing people of color, but instead choosing serve outside the Democratic Party in a state that is only 1% black. Like Hillary, more often than not, he voted right, but the reality is he was completely irrelevant to black history. He could only influence his party of one, never did anything to address the problem of Vermont's racial homogeneousness, never even as mayor had to demonstrate how to address problems specific to the black community, and never earned the respect of progressive black power brokers. He's the ultimate patronizing white man who sales in on a sea of inexperience and knowledge and declares, "I know how to save the day."
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)wtf was he supposed to do about that? ridiculous, no idioitic statement.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Because standing up for Civil Rights as a youth in the 60's and endorsing Jessie Jackson for president in the 80's and fighting for better health care for all in the 90's does not cut it for y'all Hillary Clinton folks.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)But, yes, 50 years ago, Bernie did some great stuff with civil rights. 40 year ago, Hillary did some good things against the Vietnam war.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)guy his entire political career? Who has Integrity and Character that is totally unimpeachable and beyond reproach?
Here ya go watch this again...
Ya might need a dose of this as well... just another FYI...
and those pesky transcripts...
jonestonesusa
(880 posts)Hard to argue with, easier to ignore if you're a Clinton partisan. If you're looking for a consistent commitment to progressive principles, not sure how you can find it in these cringe-worthy clips.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)WASHINGTON As Democrats cobbled together a sweeping overhaul of the nations immigration law three years ago, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York was clear about one thing: His party could not suffer a single defection.
But one naysayer remained Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who had opposed a similar effort in 2007 and once again did not like provisions in the new bill that he thought would displace American workers. And he had a price, a $1.5 billion youth jobs program.
Through wheeling and dealing, shaming and cajoling, Mr. Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, got his wish, and his favored provision was grafted incongruously onto a tough-minded Republican border security amendment and paid for by higher visa fees for some foreign travelers.
The immigration bill, opposed by House Republicans, never became law. But the jobs program amendment was classic Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic socialist who has spent a quarter-century in Congress working the side door, tacking on amendments to larger bills that scratch his particular policy itches, generally focused on working-class Americans, income inequality and the environment.
Mr. Sanders is not unlike Tea Party Republicans in his tactics, except his are a decaf version. While he is unlikely to turn against his party on important votes, he is most proud of the things he has tried, unsuccessfully, to block over the years. And he boasts about them constantly on the campaign trail: the Iraq war, the Wall Street bailout and the Patriot Act after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
But in spite of persistent carping that Mr. Sanders is nothing but a quixotic crusader during their first debate, Hillary Clinton cracked, Im a progressive, but Im a progressive who likes to get things done he has often been an effective, albeit modest, legislator.
Over one 12-year stretch in the House, he passed more amendments by roll call vote than any other member of Congress. In the Senate, he secured money for dairy farmers and community health centers, blocked banks from hiring foreign workers and reined in the Federal Reserve, all through measures attached to larger bills.
It has been a very successful strategy, said Warren Gunnels, Mr. Sanderss longtime policy adviser.
Mr. Sanders has been pushing basically the same legislative agenda since he was the mayor of Burlington, Vt., in the 1980s, one that favors workers, veterans and college students. But in 2016, he has found that the marriage of his passions and his blunt, fiery oration have come into vogue among many Democrats.
I would point out to you that in perhaps the most significant public policy issue of our time, the war in Iraq, I cast the correct vote, Mr. Sanders told CNN last year. On the other hand, Secretary Clinton voted for that war. Her judgment was not right. It is an issue we have got to talk more about.
His congressional relationships with Democrats and Republicans have been largely legislative and not loving. A backscratcher he is not. Mr. Sanders is far more likely to be found alone in his apartment watching cable news than out for Chinese food with other members of Congress. In an institution where relationships are often the butter, Mr. Sanders leverages a shared policy passion to grease his legislation.
He is not Ted Kennedy, who managed to have these personal relationships that come from the day in and day out working the halls, said Representative Peter Welch, Democrat of Vermont, who replaced Mr. Sanders in the House. The way he works is consistent with his temperament and his skills.
Yet counter to his reputation in his bid for the White House as a far-left gadfly, Mr. Sanders has done much of his work with Republican partners, generally people with whom he has almost nothing in common, with the notable exception of the discrete issue or two on which they see eye to eye.
He worked with Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, to prevent foreign workers from replacing Americans at banks that have had a federal bailout, and with former Representative Ron Paul of Texas, who shared his zeal for monitoring the Federal Reserve.
Mr. Sanderss most notable partnership with a Republican was also one of his greatest successes. In 2014, Mr. Sanders, as chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, worked out an accord with Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, on a bill to expand veterans access to health care after a scandal involving veterans hospitals across the country.
The bill did something Republicans wanted: It allowed veterans to go outside of the official hospital system to get care under certain circumstances, while it expanded the government services that Mr. Sanders demanded.
Given how liberal he is, it made the work hard, Mr. McCain recalled last week. But he was an honest liberal. Ive worked with people who tell you they are going to do one thing and then do another, and Bernie did what he said. And he was very effective. It was the first real reform of the V.A. ever.
Big legislation largely eludes Mr. Sanders because his ideas are usually far to the left of the majority of the Senate from his notions about bank regulations, to the increase he seeks to the minimum wage, to his repeated attempts to get the federal government in the business of providing rebates for the purchase and installation of solar heating systems.
But from his days in the House, where he served from 1991 to 2007, and into his Senate career, Mr. Sanders has largely found ways to press his agenda through appending small provisions to the larger bills of others.
In the House, he attached a measure to prevent the Bush administration from finalizing rules that would have allowed companies to cut the pensions of older workers. Community health care clinics were expanded via a Sanders amendment to President Obamas health care law. His amendments with Mr. Grassley to prevent bailed-out banks from replacing American workers with foreign ones was part of a major economic stimulus bill in 2009.
The reason he has been so successful is that he built very strong left-right coalitions, said Mr. Gunnels, who now works on Mr. Sanderss campaign. He doesnt see himself as on the left. He sees himself exclusively as fighting for working people.
But when it comes to Mr. Sanderss proudest legislative moments, it is the losses that stand out, in the liberal mirror image of the Tea Party Republicans who oppose large-scale legislation.
He was among 25 senators in 2008 to vote against the $700 billion bailout of big banks. He said no to the Iraq war. The Patriot Act and a popular measure to develop and deploy a defense system to stop Iranian ballistic missiles? Not to Mr. Sanders.
In 2010, he voted against a measure to temporarily extend the Bush tax cuts against the wishes of the White House. He also gave an eight-hour floor speech to defend himself, setting off his current romance with liberal voters.
Mr. Sanders got the rest of the Democratic base to listen to words he has been repeating for decades, not so much because his legislation has been in constant step with the nations, but rather because much of the nation has come around to the things he has been legislating.
Bernie has been talking about income inequality since 1981, Mr. Welch said. And now that is a message whose time has come.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)We need to face facts. The Clintons helped to pass a major Republican policy goal, one the Repugs could never have done on their own.
vintx
(1,748 posts)they helped to pass more than one. A few. Several. Big ones.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Bernie is the ONLY candidate who can be trusted to actually try and take down this destructive paradigm.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)jonestonesusa
(880 posts)If you actually watch the clips and you're still posting the ROTFL icon, that's on you. You get the government that you vote for.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Hope the truth gets out there quickly.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,906 posts)Patronizing at it's finest.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Disparaging POC will really help Bernie's campaign.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I assume not, since that would be absurd...
onenote
(42,692 posts)Clinton ran a hard fought and at times bitter campaign against Obama. You would think that experience would have put her behind the 8-ball with African-American voters. But she won them back by endorsing Obama, campaigning for him and becoming a part of his administration.
Loyalty and familiarity are big drivers in politics. I love Bernie, but he has never been perceived as an Obama-booster, and many of his supporters are openly hostile to Obama. As a result , he (and his campaign) haven't achieved the level of support among African American voters that they might otherwise have obtained.
By the way, there is nothing unique about African-American voters in this regard. The same could be said about most voting blocs. For example, Jewish voters are very aware of who has had their back in the past and they reward it with their loyalty at the ballot box.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Stockholm Syndrome victims.
But thank God we have Sanders supporters - most of whom haven't shown much interest in us until their hero started running for president - to tell us what's in our best interest.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)As a black woman, I really appreciate it when people (usually, white people) tell me how I'm supposed to feel about how other people approach race. I especially like it when they tell me over and over and over again, even after I've told them that I don't agree with them.
I am so grateful to you for your continued efforts to help me better understand what is best for me.
You are so good to me, Thank you!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)of voters of any demographic who fail to take even a few minutes to see who it REALLY IS that they are voting for... Watch a couple of videos. It is not difficult. The information is readily available to... the voter if not the "Corporatist" Mainstream Media as per their control and command...
See the difference?
DhhD
(4,695 posts)year voucher to replace the single payer healthcare known as, Medicare.
Do some Democrats believe that Hill and Bill are not coming for the Elderly's Medicare when Bill just said, call me about it to Paul Ryan.
I am afraid that if I vote for Hillary, her good friend Pete Peterson will indeed use the Ryan Plan to replace the Medicare money in the budget so as to lower the Wealth's tax percentage again, just like The Bush Tax Plan did in the early 2000's.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)more about you than her. And it has been posted several times.You're not changing any minds or hearts.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)to believe!
Zira
(1,054 posts)and notes them as the people that defected the democrats because of the civil rights movement, really explains a lot of what we see today. I keep wondering who these "Democrats" that are so against basic liberal democratic principals are. Guess I just got told.
No wonder they were defending Reagan only last week. Reagan was before Clinton I. I suspect a lot of them voted for him.