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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:40 PM Mar 2016

ANYONE who supports Sanders who would actually vote for Trump over Hillary is NOT progressive.

And that also goes for anyone who would waste their vote on a write in, or not vote at all, or whatever. The stakes are WAY too high. SANITY needs to come into play somewhere. We can not allow a crazed right winger, be it Trump or Cruz, get into that White House.

Hillary Clinton is PROGRESSIVE. Maybe not a purist, but PROGRESSIVE. It is just this simple. She is the likely nominee based on the math, and this is the biggest NO-BRAINER I have ever seen. Period.

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ANYONE who supports Sanders who would actually vote for Trump over Hillary is NOT progressive. (Original Post) RBInMaine Mar 2016 OP
It isn't for you to say. Eveyone will make up their own minds bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
Anyone who has a MIND that functions with SANITY would never vote for Frankentrump. RBInMaine Mar 2016 #10
I haven't seen any one on here that said they would vote for Trump what are you talking about bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #30
Me neither... who are these people? InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #58
However, Fairgo Mar 2016 #46
It's as much for any of us to say as it is for anyone else to claim that Clinton's supporters onenote Mar 2016 #39
She is not a progressive. Not close. But I will vote for her and feel sick doing it. nt Logical Mar 2016 #2
Her progressive credentials are long and indisputable. Purity is not progress. RBInMaine Mar 2016 #4
you misspelled regressive virtualobserver Mar 2016 #11
Excellent! Karma13612 Mar 2016 #51
Okay, that was pretty funny. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #59
That is the sad reality.....In a race between Hillary and Trump.... virtualobserver Mar 2016 #9
It's also insane to keep doing the same thing hoping for a different outcome. polichick Mar 2016 #3
well that is what I was trying to say..thanks bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #6
Dumbest OP ever. try something else already litlbilly Mar 2016 #5
Indeed. HuckleB Mar 2016 #7
I haven't the TIME for this incremental Karma13612 Mar 2016 #54
Yeah, so let's go even farther backwards. HuckleB Mar 2016 #56
I have no intention of voting for Trump over Hillary, I just am sick of people promoting 'settling' Karma13612 Mar 2016 #65
I would never vote for Trump. k8conant Mar 2016 #8
Sorry, a Kissinger-loving warmonger is not progressive. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #12
A person is known by the friends they keep. Chan790 Mar 2016 #20
Very effective point making there! Karma13612 Mar 2016 #55
Hillary does show tendencies... which is why Bernie is the only true progressive in this race. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #60
You will never get me to vote for greed and cronyism ....(n/t) insta8er Mar 2016 #13
So you're not voting for Trump and will be voting Hillary in the GE then? LonePirate Mar 2016 #21
There we go again you do HRC supporters ever stop! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #31
I voted for Bernie a couple of weeks ago but I can read the writing on the wall. LonePirate Mar 2016 #57
Huh? bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #62
Well said! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #14
What do you call those who will vote neither? Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #15
Anyone who would enthusiastically support Clinton is also not progressive. Chan790 Mar 2016 #16
Clinton and Trump tazkcmo Mar 2016 #24
Thank God I want have to ever pull a lever for Sanders. LexVegas Mar 2016 #17
Lets see a right wing lunatic, who divides the country...and Bernie? and you are talking about insta8er Mar 2016 #18
Yep. LexVegas Mar 2016 #19
Hahahahahha..... I could have known...hahahahahahahhahahaha insta8er Mar 2016 #23
Its all rhetorical. Thank goodness he has no fucking chance. LexVegas Mar 2016 #26
HahhahahahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaYou break me up!...lesser of 2 evils...and you are a democrat?.haha insta8er Mar 2016 #32
i want have too SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #47
Neither is Sec Clinton. n/t tazkcmo Mar 2016 #22
As a Clinton supporter I urge you to please let the Sanders supporters do as they want. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #25
Most of them will get in line, including Bernie. Dont care about the rest. LexVegas Mar 2016 #28
"will get in line" bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #34
I couldn't care less what he or them do. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #40
He will get in line. I dont doubt that. It will help in the GE.nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #42
"...let the Sanders supporters do as they want..." SMC22307 Mar 2016 #37
I don't want to control anybody. I don't browbeat people who support other candidates. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #38
I'm TRULY not interested... dchill Mar 2016 #27
Nor are they liberal or Socialist. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #29
"Purist" ... DRINK! SMC22307 Mar 2016 #33
lesser of two evils SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #35
Well, many would say that someone who thinks Clinton is a "progressive" is fooling themselves. kath Mar 2016 #36
That moves from emotion to logic. Not going to happen. The River of Denial runs deep. libdem4life Mar 2016 #43
Bingo. It also involves reading, and, well,... kath Mar 2016 #45
Hillary is a shapeshifting Nixonian neocon 1%er AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #41
No, it would be someone who is so fed up with established Purveyor Mar 2016 #44
Yes we know ibegurpard Mar 2016 #48
You're right but hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #49
This is why Clinton signing NAFTA ended the Democratic Party domination of US politics. w4rma Mar 2016 #50
How do these same OPs keep popping up? nt ladjf Mar 2016 #52
Hillary is a progressive! pinebox Mar 2016 #53
In the GE Clinton will need more than just Democrats, we know people who will vote for Sanders ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #61
Who do you think you are to tell people how to vote? This is America, not North Korea. jillan Mar 2016 #63
This is flypaper and Hillary is a sellout Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #64

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
1. It isn't for you to say. Eveyone will make up their own minds
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

as to who they vote for. I am tired of the posts who put down others and tell them who they should vote for.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
10. Anyone who has a MIND that functions with SANITY would never vote for Frankentrump.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

Oh please. A progressive for Bernie who would be so lost in space as to vote for Trump? Are you serious? No progressive could possibly vote for that racist mega unqualified whacko. Give me a break. And yes, I'm damn well saying it. And will say it a thousand more times.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
39. It's as much for any of us to say as it is for anyone else to claim that Clinton's supporters
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

aren't progressives.

And I fully agree with the OP: anyone who fails to step up and do what is necessary to block the election of a racist, misogynist, bigots like Trump or Cruz sacrifices the right to be considered progressive by others.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
9. That is the sad reality.....In a race between Hillary and Trump....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

we have a battle between center-right and god knows what.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
7. Indeed.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

We have to push for the fastest change possible, but sometimes that still means taking the long view. The damage a GOP president would do in the next for years ought to scare the crap out of us all. Bush was bad enough. We should know better.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
54. I haven't the TIME for this incremental
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

Bull crap anymore.

At 62, time is running out.

And frankly, the middle class is sinking faster than the long view can handle.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
65. I have no intention of voting for Trump over Hillary, I just am sick of people promoting 'settling'
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:58 AM
Mar 2016

for Hillary while we still have so much fight left, to get Bernie the nomination.

And incremental change is no longer an option.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
60. Hillary does show tendencies... which is why Bernie is the only true progressive in this race.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
57. I voted for Bernie a couple of weeks ago but I can read the writing on the wall.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

By your own words, you disqualified Trump but not Hillary.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
16. Anyone who would enthusiastically support Clinton is also not progressive.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

It's turtles all the way down, RB.

There is one progressive in this race...and that's Sanders. Supporting anybody else is merely to acquiesce to a degree of non-progressiveness. Given, Trump's a lot more anti-progressive than Clinton.

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
17. Thank God I want have to ever pull a lever for Sanders.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

But I would likely do it if he was the lesser of two evils.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
18. Lets see a right wing lunatic, who divides the country...and Bernie? and you are talking about
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

The lesser of 2 evils?

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
32. HahhahahahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaYou break me up!...lesser of 2 evils...and you are a democrat?.haha
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
25. As a Clinton supporter I urge you to please let the Sanders supporters do as they want.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

I don't do begging well...

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
37. "...let the Sanders supporters do as they want..."
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:42 PM
Mar 2016


Such a controlling lot... action, speech... anything else?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
38. I don't want to control anybody. I don't browbeat people who support other candidates.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

I disregard them... I oppose bullies. I don't join em.


Love and Kisses
DemocratSinceBirth


kath

(10,565 posts)
36. Well, many would say that someone who thinks Clinton is a "progressive" is fooling themselves.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:42 PM
Mar 2016

Reading up on her history and what she supports might help.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
44. No, it would be someone who is so fed up with established
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:52 PM
Mar 2016

politics that they conclude, "what the fuck, let the parties crash and burn. We'll sort it out later".

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
48. Yes we know
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

Yet there are many working class blue collar people who may do so. What do we need to change in the Democratic Party to address this?

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
49. You're right but
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

a whole bunch of Sanders' voters aren't progressives. He does very well with independents and disaffected republicans. I know, because when canvasing for him it was relatively easy to get Trump-leaning folks to give some serious thought to Sanders. I even met a couple I had previously converted at the voting booth, so I can actually confirm winning over at least them.

So if you tell those people that they aren't progressive, they'll probably tell you "No shit!"

Trump voters I spoke with were simply disgusted with the "political machine that doesn't give a damn about us," and went for the non-tainted candidate. For some he's kind of a default, but they're open to other options--they're the easiest to win over. I met only a few who were adamantly Trump. And, sure, I met some who would never dream of voting for Sanders because "communism!"

They like a candidate who's not tainted by big donor influence. They like a candidate who will rip someone else to shreds. They like a guy who's not in a political party. Trump is all three. Sanders is all three (Clinton helped him when she tried to say he's not really a democrat). Yeah, Trump's solutions are batshit crazy or just non-existent, but many voters don't go so far as looking that up and the talking heads on TV certainly aren't up to the task of conveying that information. So lots of voters go for Trump, but a fair number of them would potentially vote for Sanders.

Believe it for not, Trump people actually do want things fixed--even the racist assholes. It's Cruz's people who believe in tearing the nation down to prep for the second coming or whatever. So if you want to swing them towards Hillary, you'd better find a way to explain to them how Hillary plans to get their jobs back and let them protect and care for their families in terms they will understand.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
50. This is why Clinton signing NAFTA ended the Democratic Party domination of US politics.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

Those conservatives were voting for Democrats on economic issues, but Clinton pulled the rug right out from underneath them. So, then they voted against the Democratic Party, as a proxy, in 1994. Then they kept voting Republican against liberal social issues. And, it's been downhill ever since.

The sooner the Clintons and their "new" Democrats are politically marginalized, the better, imho.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
61. In the GE Clinton will need more than just Democrats, we know people who will vote for Sanders ...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:00 AM
Mar 2016

but they are adamant that they will not vote for Clinton, these are registered Republicans and independents, they'll go to Trump or Cruz.











Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
64. This is flypaper and Hillary is a sellout
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:36 AM
Mar 2016

of the "shapeshifting Nixonian neocon 1%er" variety. That's a completely apt description. Just wait a while till she "pivots" (shapeshifts), and then she won't be Progressive Hillary anymore.

And here goes a foul shot from across the room, bang into the Trash Can.

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