2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum74-year-old Bernie Sanders’s remarkable dominance among young voters, in 1 chart
&w=1484Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are well on their way to becoming their parties' 2016 nominees for president.
Among young voters, though, Bernie Sanders has more votes than both of them combined.
The below chart comes from the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE), which does yeoman's work in tracking the youth vote in American politics. For the purposes of this chart, "youth votes" are defined as those cast by people under 30 years old.
Thus far, Sanders has won the votes of more than 1.5 million of them. Clinton is second and Trump trails just behind, but the two front-runners combine for just 1.2 million votes 300,000 less than Sanders alone.
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in full: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/17/74-year-old-bernie-sanderss-amazing-dominance-among-young-voters-in-1-chart/
msongs
(67,395 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Because unless I misunderstood your comment, you sounded a lot like Mitt Romney and his supporters from 2012.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)every day.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And take your teahadist talking points with you, m'kay?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to support your free market dreams?"
"Get busy, you lazy, can't manage to walk to kindergarten by yourself dead beat!"
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Maybe they'll start calling Bernie a Kenyan...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)if they were able to buy books from their wages.
If they aren't learning enough, they should take a second job to buy more books.
I'm sure half of them stroll into a school not even able to read or write!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)SOCIALISM!!!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)"You don't need health care. You need to find yourself a job where a person with less that 4 limbs can be employed. What in the hell do you need the VA for?"
Aerows
(39,961 posts)what your "Liberal" avatar declares.
It looks like "Stuff without work, despite the fact that you have children" and "your children should be taken away from you if you can no longer support them despite the fact that you had them in prosperous times for your family, and "Oh well you fell on hard times and got a limb blown off in the military, why should we have to support you forever?"
Is that what your liberal avatar says, because I have a very damn hard time reading it.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Could have been useful to have such a coalition going forward
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)significant gains from Republicans against Trump...that's if he doesn't go Third Party and
if he is the GOP nominee.
She will be smiling if he does go Third Party...too soon to say yet what will
happen on their side.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...who governed as centrists while still claiming to be left-wingers and all the while suppressing actual left-wingers.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... for the next thirty or forty years.
We have a rare opportunity here, and they just can't see it.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Group of kids adopted and watched as democrats were like lemmings going over the cliff as Nixon won a landslide victory...kids are idealistic and that fails in general election..sanders hasn't faced the right wing hate machine that will destroy him....we see how sensitive sanders supporters are here in DU...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)You have to vote for what you believe in, I will do the same.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Only a corrupt self-serving party and candidate would be that short-sighted.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Despite what the idiot pundits and the propagandists for the Third Way claim, the "moderate centrist Independent swing voter" is a myth, in our polarized political climate most "Independents" are NOT moderates, they are mainly:
1. Progressives to the LEFT of the Democratic Party
2. Libertarian-ish types who are very right-wing on economic issues but don't like the religious nuts in the GOP.
3. Assorted far-right crazies and crackpots who think the GOP is not right-wing enough.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... you will instead create a 1984. That's not better.
We probably could not have won either of those years, but at least we came out of one of those with our dignity and our ideals intact. 1972 did not create a large cohort of "Nixon Democrats" who never did return to the Democratic Party.
... but 1984 ... Where are those "Reagan Democrats" now?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Please name which of the Democratic primary candidates bested by McGovern in 1972 whom you believe would have beaten Nixon that November.
I'm waiting.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)I said I thought we would have lost no matter who we chose.
I'll edit my post for clarity, I don't like to be misunderstood.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I thought I read "I'm trying to avoid" rather than "In trying to avoid..." Please forgive me.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)It was a simple mistake.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Sorry again.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)At the beginning of the year, the Vietnam War was still going.
McGovern was running as the anti-war candidate. Humphrey actually got a few more primary votes than McGovern, though.
That was the first presidential election in which 18-to-20-year-olds would be voting.
Then came the Summer of '72 (brought to you by that great new group, The Sound Effects):
Nixon's "plumbers" break into Democratic National Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel. While bits and pieces of the break-in come out in the news, most voters don't assign much to the story.
McGovern wins the nomination at the Democratic National Convention, but before McGovern speaks, about 30 speakers offer alternatives to McGovern's choice of Missouri Senator Thomas Eagleton as running mate. But McGovern sticks with Eagleton. That is, until it comes to light that Eagleton had been undergoing psychiatric treatment. McGovern then chooses Sargent Shriver, a good man in all respects, who should have been McGovern's first choice.
Meanwhile, the Paris Peace Talks are going ahead to discuss the future of American involvement in the Vietnam War. It looks as though the US will be leaving Vietnam in the near future.
Then comes the October Surprise-- two weeks before the election, Nixon and Henry Kissinger announce plans for withdrawing American forces from Vietnam, thus taking away McGovern's main issue and in the process winning a lot of votes from the youngest voters, who no longer have to worry about being drafted to fight in an unpopular war.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)It was also an astoundingly reactionary moment for the majority in this country.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)nomination
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)millennials by much of a percent. She has some of her own now..so we'll see.
Clinton is always happy to have a reason to go rightward.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the republicans nominate because as I said on another thread it was millenials who invented the name Camp Weathervane
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)She'll run to the right - she'll pander, as we've seen with the Nancy Reagan incident - and she'll find herself attacked from "the left" by Trump himself as he talks about the Iraq war vote and whatever else works - he'll even do single-payer rhetoric, once he has the nomination. The fucker will say anything, as we know.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)to do that..is that where we're at now? Republicans made her do it?
Not about college loans, but it indicates the stench of neoliberalism.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Thank you.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)is not the best foundation for a successful campaign. Alienating POC also doesn't help.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It was a fatal flaw from day one.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)would not be where he is. He was not expected to win and with millions of
voters helping him has surpassed our expectations. Despite the odds we
will continue to fight for every vote and get as many people involved as
we can. Understand now? To suggest millennials have hurt him is absurd.
He declared a year ago, Hillary has been running and raising money forever.
hack89
(39,171 posts)a political movement dominated by young white people is not going to change much. Hillary's diverse coalition is the reason she is winning - it includes all Democrats and not a small segment.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)YOUR candidate has all the advantages and we're doing better than expected.
We know the odds, your side reminds us every day since he announced.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it doesn't matter if he is doing better than expected. He is still losing. And since his supporters have not demonstrated significant clout at the ballot box the revolution will end at the convention. Bernie will give a nice speech, endorse Hillary and campaign for her as all good Democrats are expected to do.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)the long game. If we win the nomination that would be a political coup of epic proportions, but
if we don't, which we were never expected to do, we're not going away..understand, now?
The significant clout has ALREADY been demonstrated. We increase in numbers over the
next 8 years..so no worries.
hack89
(39,171 posts)how many supporters will he lose? What happens when it becomes clear he has always been a member of the establishment?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Sanders says or does. The establishment are those who take special interest money and
who profit from it electorally...that is not Sanders.
The politics about this has less to do with Hillary the person than you might think.
For obvious reasons she is their representative of it in this election cycle.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Even if Hillary loses 20% of the Sanders supporters, she'll still lead by 25% among millennials.