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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:50 PM Mar 2016

74-year-old Bernie Sanders’s remarkable dominance among young voters, in 1 chart

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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are well on their way to becoming their parties' 2016 nominees for president.

Among young voters, though, Bernie Sanders has more votes than both of them — combined.

The below chart comes from the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE), which does yeoman's work in tracking the youth vote in American politics. For the purposes of this chart, "youth votes" are defined as those cast by people under 30 years old.

Thus far, Sanders has won the votes of more than 1.5 million of them. Clinton is second and Trump trails just behind, but the two front-runners combine for just 1.2 million votes — 300,000 less than Sanders alone.

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74-year-old Bernie Sanders’s remarkable dominance among young voters, in 1 chart (Original Post) Jefferson23 Mar 2016 OP
Free stuff! a well known advertising technique nt msongs Mar 2016 #1
Are you sure you're a Democrat? democrattotheend Mar 2016 #2
And every republican candidate for the last thirty years. Hillarians sound like limbeciles more Doctor_J Mar 2016 #7
Yay corruption! You stick with that. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #3
Your post doesn't do much to dispel the notion that Hillary supporters are content to be GOP-lite Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #4
Free Republic is thataway --> Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #6
"Five years old and you don't already have a hedge fund Aerows Mar 2016 #31
It's like DU turned into Galt's Gulch for a bit. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #36
These kindergartners would learn more Aerows Mar 2016 #44
And they're mooching free lunches! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #45
I think you are on the wrong website. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #14
"Limb blown off in the military?" Aerows Mar 2016 #28
It's very difficult to parse out Aerows Mar 2016 #25
Too bad dws, Hillary, and her hordes of conservative supporters don't want them in the party Doctor_J Mar 2016 #5
They may feel that way, but Hillary will do her best unless she sees she can make Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #8
If Trump is Hitler then the Dems are the Weimar-era Social Democrats... Odin2005 Mar 2016 #16
It's okay, it's only a mistake the party will be paying for ... surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #18
I lived the disaster of 1972 and George McGovern that the same beachbumbob Mar 2016 #9
We are? I guess we'll have to live with neoliberals for the remainder of my life? I don't think so. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #11
This is 2016, not 1972. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #17
Yep, and really stupid to repeat mistakes from the past. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #30
The electorate is completely different now. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #33
Exactly. The center is to the left of both party establishments. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #34
In trying to avoid a 1972 ... surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #19
Ha ha ha. So you think Muskie would have beaten Nixon? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #21
That's not what I said. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #22
Oops, I misread your headline. Very sorry. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #23
no problem surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #24
Yes, but an inexcusably fast trigger finger. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #26
1972 was an unusual year Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #40
Yes to all that. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #42
I lived through the disaster of 1968 when the moderates gave us Humpty and Nixon. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #20
it'll be interesting watching the Hillary camp attempt to court this voting block if she claims the azurnoir Mar 2016 #10
Depending on who the Republican nominee will be, she may feel she doesn't need Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #12
I think she might be mistaken about that though and I'm not sure it'll matter all that much who azurnoir Mar 2016 #13
Could be. I am watching the Republicans, they're in complete chaos..so we'll see. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #15
She won't court no one. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #43
College debt relief is very appealing. Just not to a Republican-controlled Congress. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #27
Have you checked out Debbie Wasserman Schultz on payday lending? She was forced Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #29
I think both Hillary and Sanders supporters have had it with her. In that we agree. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #32
Hopefully she will lose her seat to the Democrat Tim Canova. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #35
I hope that too. She doesn't have the smarts to be DNC Chairman. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #37
Yes, she needs to go. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #38
Pied Piper of our youth.... Nt. seabeyond Mar 2016 #39
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #41
You're very welcome. Heck of a contrast, isn't...great supporters and that will increase. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #46
His remarkable electoral weakness in one chart as well. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #47
Uh huh..thanks for stopping by. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #48
Dominating the demographic least likely to actually vote hack89 Mar 2016 #49
Yup workinclasszero Mar 2016 #50
I'll try to explain this again..this is a political movement and if not for millennials he Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #51
They did not hurt him - they were simply not enough hack89 Mar 2016 #52
They're not all white, they're not all young and you seem to keep missing the point. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #53
The voting results say otherwise hack89 Mar 2016 #54
I see my explanation went right over head...this is a political movement...we are in it for Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #56
So when Bernie endorses and campaigns for Hillary hack89 Mar 2016 #57
I have no idea he'll lose any, people vote for who they want to regardless of what Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #58
Wow, awesome Democratic dominance Onlooker Mar 2016 #55
knr amborin Mar 2016 #59

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
2. Are you sure you're a Democrat?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

Because unless I misunderstood your comment, you sounded a lot like Mitt Romney and his supporters from 2012.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. And every republican candidate for the last thirty years. Hillarians sound like limbeciles more
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:30 PM
Mar 2016

every day.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. "Five years old and you don't already have a hedge fund
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

to support your free market dreams?"

"Get busy, you lazy, can't manage to walk to kindergarten by yourself dead beat!"

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
44. These kindergartners would learn more
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

if they were able to buy books from their wages.

If they aren't learning enough, they should take a second job to buy more books.

I'm sure half of them stroll into a school not even able to read or write!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. "Limb blown off in the military?"
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

"You don't need health care. You need to find yourself a job where a person with less that 4 limbs can be employed. What in the hell do you need the VA for?"

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. It's very difficult to parse out
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

what your "Liberal" avatar declares.

It looks like "Stuff without work, despite the fact that you have children" and "your children should be taken away from you if you can no longer support them despite the fact that you had them in prosperous times for your family, and "Oh well you fell on hard times and got a limb blown off in the military, why should we have to support you forever?"

Is that what your liberal avatar says, because I have a very damn hard time reading it.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. Too bad dws, Hillary, and her hordes of conservative supporters don't want them in the party
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:28 PM
Mar 2016

Could have been useful to have such a coalition going forward

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. They may feel that way, but Hillary will do her best unless she sees she can make
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:33 PM
Mar 2016

significant gains from Republicans against Trump...that's if he doesn't go Third Party and
if he is the GOP nominee.

She will be smiling if he does go Third Party...too soon to say yet what will
happen on their side.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
16. If Trump is Hitler then the Dems are the Weimar-era Social Democrats...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

...who governed as centrists while still claiming to be left-wingers and all the while suppressing actual left-wingers.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
18. It's okay, it's only a mistake the party will be paying for ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:22 PM
Mar 2016

... for the next thirty or forty years.

We have a rare opportunity here, and they just can't see it.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
9. I lived the disaster of 1972 and George McGovern that the same
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

Group of kids adopted and watched as democrats were like lemmings going over the cliff as Nixon won a landslide victory...kids are idealistic and that fails in general election..sanders hasn't faced the right wing hate machine that will destroy him....we see how sensitive sanders supporters are here in DU...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. We are? I guess we'll have to live with neoliberals for the remainder of my life? I don't think so.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:54 PM
Mar 2016

You have to vote for what you believe in, I will do the same.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
30. Yep, and really stupid to repeat mistakes from the past.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

Only a corrupt self-serving party and candidate would be that short-sighted.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
33. The electorate is completely different now.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

Despite what the idiot pundits and the propagandists for the Third Way claim, the "moderate centrist Independent swing voter" is a myth, in our polarized political climate most "Independents" are NOT moderates, they are mainly:

1. Progressives to the LEFT of the Democratic Party

2. Libertarian-ish types who are very right-wing on economic issues but don't like the religious nuts in the GOP.

3. Assorted far-right crazies and crackpots who think the GOP is not right-wing enough.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
19. In trying to avoid a 1972 ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

... you will instead create a 1984. That's not better.

We probably could not have won either of those years, but at least we came out of one of those with our dignity and our ideals intact. 1972 did not create a large cohort of "Nixon Democrats" who never did return to the Democratic Party.

... but 1984 ... Where are those "Reagan Democrats" now?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
21. Ha ha ha. So you think Muskie would have beaten Nixon?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

Please name which of the Democratic primary candidates bested by McGovern in 1972 whom you believe would have beaten Nixon that November.

I'm waiting.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
22. That's not what I said.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016

I said I thought we would have lost no matter who we chose.

I'll edit my post for clarity, I don't like to be misunderstood.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
23. Oops, I misread your headline. Very sorry.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

I thought I read "I'm trying to avoid" rather than "In trying to avoid..." Please forgive me.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
40. 1972 was an unusual year
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

At the beginning of the year, the Vietnam War was still going.
McGovern was running as the anti-war candidate. Humphrey actually got a few more primary votes than McGovern, though.
That was the first presidential election in which 18-to-20-year-olds would be voting.

Then came the Summer of '72 (brought to you by that great new group, The Sound Effects):

Nixon's "plumbers" break into Democratic National Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel. While bits and pieces of the break-in come out in the news, most voters don't assign much to the story.

McGovern wins the nomination at the Democratic National Convention, but before McGovern speaks, about 30 speakers offer alternatives to McGovern's choice of Missouri Senator Thomas Eagleton as running mate. But McGovern sticks with Eagleton. That is, until it comes to light that Eagleton had been undergoing psychiatric treatment. McGovern then chooses Sargent Shriver, a good man in all respects, who should have been McGovern's first choice.

Meanwhile, the Paris Peace Talks are going ahead to discuss the future of American involvement in the Vietnam War. It looks as though the US will be leaving Vietnam in the near future.

Then comes the October Surprise-- two weeks before the election, Nixon and Henry Kissinger announce plans for withdrawing American forces from Vietnam, thus taking away McGovern's main issue and in the process winning a lot of votes from the youngest voters, who no longer have to worry about being drafted to fight in an unpopular war.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. it'll be interesting watching the Hillary camp attempt to court this voting block if she claims the
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

nomination

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. Depending on who the Republican nominee will be, she may feel she doesn't need
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

millennials by much of a percent. She has some of her own now..so we'll see.
Clinton is always happy to have a reason to go rightward.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. I think she might be mistaken about that though and I'm not sure it'll matter all that much who
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

the republicans nominate because as I said on another thread it was millenials who invented the name Camp Weathervane

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
43. She won't court no one.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

She'll run to the right - she'll pander, as we've seen with the Nancy Reagan incident - and she'll find herself attacked from "the left" by Trump himself as he talks about the Iraq war vote and whatever else works - he'll even do single-payer rhetoric, once he has the nomination. The fucker will say anything, as we know.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
29. Have you checked out Debbie Wasserman Schultz on payday lending? She was forced
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

to do that..is that where we're at now? Republicans made her do it?

Not about college loans, but it indicates the stench of neoliberalism.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
49. Dominating the demographic least likely to actually vote
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

is not the best foundation for a successful campaign. Alienating POC also doesn't help.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
51. I'll try to explain this again..this is a political movement and if not for millennials he
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016

would not be where he is. He was not expected to win and with millions of
voters helping him has surpassed our expectations. Despite the odds we
will continue to fight for every vote and get as many people involved as
we can. Understand now? To suggest millennials have hurt him is absurd.

He declared a year ago, Hillary has been running and raising money forever.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
52. They did not hurt him - they were simply not enough
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:30 PM
Mar 2016

a political movement dominated by young white people is not going to change much. Hillary's diverse coalition is the reason she is winning - it includes all Democrats and not a small segment.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
53. They're not all white, they're not all young and you seem to keep missing the point.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

YOUR candidate has all the advantages and we're doing better than expected.

We know the odds, your side reminds us every day since he announced.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
54. The voting results say otherwise
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

it doesn't matter if he is doing better than expected. He is still losing. And since his supporters have not demonstrated significant clout at the ballot box the revolution will end at the convention. Bernie will give a nice speech, endorse Hillary and campaign for her as all good Democrats are expected to do.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
56. I see my explanation went right over head...this is a political movement...we are in it for
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

the long game. If we win the nomination that would be a political coup of epic proportions, but
if we don't, which we were never expected to do, we're not going away..understand, now?

The significant clout has ALREADY been demonstrated. We increase in numbers over the
next 8 years..so no worries.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
57. So when Bernie endorses and campaigns for Hillary
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

how many supporters will he lose? What happens when it becomes clear he has always been a member of the establishment?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
58. I have no idea he'll lose any, people vote for who they want to regardless of what
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders says or does. The establishment are those who take special interest money and
who profit from it electorally...that is not Sanders.

The politics about this has less to do with Hillary the person than you might think.
For obvious reasons she is their representative of it in this election cycle.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
55. Wow, awesome Democratic dominance
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

Even if Hillary loses 20% of the Sanders supporters, she'll still lead by 25% among millennials.

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