PSA: only one thing matters now. Beating Trump.

[DanTex]

All the silly campaign talking points back and forth are now irrelevant. The Goldman speeches don't matter. The gun industry immunity doesn't matter. All that was fun, but now it's irrelevant.

We have a binary decision point coming up. There are two ways it could go. Hillary or Trump. That's what matters.

And we need it to go Hillary.

[virtualobserver]

1. Truth doesn't matter. Policies don't matter.

[DanTex]

2. Beating Trump matters. We've argued about which candidate has better policies,

and which is more truthful. And Hillary won that argument. Now it's time to beat Trump.

[Politicalboi]

6. More truthful? REALLY????

Unbelievable.

[JonLeibowitz]

9. Try again.

Latest ABC news national poll on Clinton trustworthiness among Dem and Dem-leaning voters:



(They did not ask about Sanders)

From the latest CNN poll of registered Democratic voters:



She lost the argument on truthfulness with voters. Because she is a proven liar.

[DanTex]

10. Polls huh? I thought y'all didn't believe in those. LOL.

The fact of the matter is, the Democratic electorate has chosen Hillary. By a substantial margin. It's been fun, but it's over. Time to beat Trump.

[JonLeibowitz]

12. I see you realize you were wrong on Hillary winning the truthfulness argument.

It was big of you to admit that.

[DanTex]

17. LOL. The people want Hillary, not Bernie, period. All your poll cherry-picking doesn't change that.

I'm glad you had your fun, but it's over now, and it's time to defeat Trump.

[JonLeibowitz]

19. If you believe I am cherry picking national polls by reputable polling outfits,

I welcome you to provide your own national poll showing the opposite of the current data laid out above. I will wait, since I know you are as truthful poster as your chosen candidate you will provide the contradicting polls forthwith.

[virtualobserver]

16. Nah.

[840high]

81. Hillary truthful? Get real.

[HooptieWagon]

3. Only thing that matters to me is seeing a corrupt neo-con corporatist isn't nominated.

Obviously you're ok with it.

[DanTex]

4. Hillary is going to be the nominee, it's a done deal.

I'm happy about that, but regardless of how you feel about it, what matters now is beating Trump.

[Purveyor]

18. I'm still holding out hope for an indictment. Other than that, I

will be saving precious 'fossil fuel' come election day.

[woolldog]

22. So you're walking to your polling station in November?

Smart, environmental conscious choice.

[Purveyor]

25. Nope. I'll be riding bareback... eom

[Politicalboi]

5. LOL!

Cheaters don't get my vote. Cheaters who visit polling places and know what they are doing is disgusting.

May not be against Clinton law, but it is against what I call fair.

We still need to beat the Queen first. Hopefully the FBI will be looking for some testimony soon. To support her is to support their ways that screwed us. Had they played nice and fair, they maybe stood a chance, but now..... LOL!

[DanTex]

8. Yeah, that polling place nonsense is another thing that doesn't matter.

It's Clinton or Trump. We need Clinton.

[Politicalboi]

14. WTF

It DOES matter to me. So I am supposed to overlook cheating and lying that killed my candidate. Good luck with that. May I have another sir? Join the self loathers club. I hope she gets indicted first. We cannot risk everything on her over her "possible" illegal actions.

[DanTex]

15. Hate to break this to you, but it wasn't some polling booth thing that caused Bernie to be

trailing by a crushing 300+ delegates right now.

[virtualobserver]

79. no, it was a primary loaded with southern states

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less than half the states have voted.....yet the entire south has voted.

DanTex, you have been saying that it is over since the first moment that Bernie announced.

Why don't we let the entire nation vote and see what happens?

[840high]

83. Did Sanders drop out?

[840high]

82. Thank you.

[RedCappedBandit]

7. This is why all that shit about Bernie pushing Hillary to the left

Is just that - shit. If Hillary wins the election, none of what the left has been pushing for will matter. Thanks OP.

[shawn703]

11. Then you better work twice as hard to make sure it happens

Because you'll need to pick up my slack if she's the nominee. I'll go vote, but I won't be interested in GOTV efforts and so on.

[woolldog]

23. Don't worry

Wall Street will pick up your slack....just kidding.

[BillZBubb]

13. Yeah right, nothing matters. Ethics don't matter. Honesty doesn't matter. Policy doesn't matter.

All the matters is what you want.

[840high]

84. +1

[DemocraticWing]

20. Close, but really it's a decision between Democrat or Republican. I'm voting Democrat.

Although I will admit Trump is a unique threat to freedom that even the most frustrating Republicans don't normally represent. But still, I don't care if it's Hillary, Bernie, or Mickey Mouse...I'm voting Democrat.

[grntuscarora]

21. PSA.: only one thing matters now.

Let every primary vote be cast prior to the convention.

Then beat Trump.

[cosmicone]

24. Not for some people

Some are more interested in tearing Hillary down -- most probably republican operatives followed blindly by gullible people who want free stuff.

[gcomeau]

26. The direction the Democratic Party takes matters at least as much.

And I'm not being complicit in driving it right "because scary Trump".

Fuck. No.

[DanTex]

28. The Democratic electorate has spoken, and the direction is Hillary. Time to beat Trump.

[gcomeau]

31. First...Bullshit.

A fraction of that electorate has spoken.

Second, I couldn't give less of a shit if the entire Democratic electorate had voted 100% in favor of dashing to the right and fucking over the left. The *only* thing that would tell me was it was time to get the fuck out of the party.

It sure as ****hell**** would not tell me it was time to give them my support. I'm not a moron

[DanTex]

36. Enough of the electorate to give her an insurmountable lead.

As to your second point, I get it. You don't care what the Democratic electorate thinks, you only care about you. And you're just fine with a Trump presidency.

Fortunately, most Dems disagree with you.

[gcomeau]

46. I care what the liberal/progressive electorate thinks.

I support the Democratic Party based solely on my advocacy for liberal policies. They get my support only if they are allies.

They turn against those policies, they can go fuck themselves. And I just watched Clinton spend the primary trashing Single Payer and mocking the entire basis of the progressive social safety net as nothing more than giving people " free stuff".

So if Clinton is the nominee the Democratic Party can screw itself. It's not getting my support. Period. This isn't a club where we have to support fellow members just because they're fellow members no matter their actions.

If you think it is you have growing up to do.

[DanTex]

50. And they opted for Hillary by a large margin.

So at this point, your choices are: Hillary or Trump. And if you care the slightest bit about liberal policies, you will opt for Hillary.

Yeah, I get that you really wanted Bernie, but it didn't go that way..

If you try sometimes, you get what you need...

[gcomeau]

61. Not much for the reading comprehension are you?

If. Clinton. Is. The. Nominee. The. Democratic. Party. Can. Screw. Itself.

Waving scary GOP alternative at me means squat. I will not condone the Democratic Party turning against liberals and TRASHING dearly held progressive beliefs in languahe IDENTICAL to the GOP by rewarding it with my support for doing so. It wants my support back it earns it by showing me it's an ally not an opponent.

And pointing at how bad the Republicans are to excuse any shit they pull isn't earning it.

[DanTex]

64. I get it. You don't mind president Trump. You probably won't suffer, I imagine you

are well-to-do, and don't care much about people who are more vulnerable than you.

But fortunately, most Democrats disagree with you.

[gcomeau]

68. I think president Trump is horrifying.

But president Trump also has a time limit. There is no time limit on the never ending march of the Democratic Party to the right while it sheds pretense of support for liberal policy after liberal policy if we never take a stand and say enough.



ENOUGH.

[840high]

85. Oh please - that line again?

[sadoldgirl]

43. You have been blasting this all day now!

Give it a break.


a) Let people on the West coast have their choices
(unless you are afraid of their votes) as well as in other
states. No, not all the people have spoken yet.

b) You rant and rave about Trump. There are quite a
numbers of ways that the repug party will try to count him
out, no matter whether he screams about it or not.

So, stop that fear mongering that works soo well for
the repugs. Instead try to be an adult and let the rest
of the primary proceed without discouraging dems to
vote for their choice. If it is HRC's win -as you claim -
then why worry?!!

[DanTex]

45. Because it's true.

Sure, maybe the GOP puts in Cruz instead of Trump. That's just as bad.

The key is making sure Hillary wins in November.

And no, I'm not worried that Hillary will lose the primary. There's no chance of that anymore. I am worried about the GE, because even though Hillary is favored, the GOP has a real chance. Time for Bernie to get on board and do the right thing!

[840high]

87. Your truth is not my truth.

[silvershadow]

27. good luck with that

[leftofcool]

41. Democrats will work to defeat Trump

You can do as you please.

[bravenak]

29. Damn straight. He is scary as fuck

[Logical]

30. Dan, Trump will not be the candidate. nt

[DanTex]

32. Who do you think? Cruz?

[Logical]

35. Yes, no way Trump can get past the convention. And with Rubio out Cruz might actually win delegates.

[DanTex]

38. Well, Cruz is basically as bad as Trump, possibly worse.

You're right, the GOP might take it from Trump at the convention, although the GOP establishment hates Cruz too.

The dream scenario is that Cruz gets the nomination even though he trails in elected delegates, and then Trump gets pissed off and runs third party.

[Logical]

40. I 100% believe Cruz is worse. We want Trump. Hillary or Bernie will destroy him! nt

[jfern]

33. The primary is not over on either side

These we must unite against Trump posts are not helpful.

[leftofcool]

42. Actually, they are. He is the enemy!

You can do as you like. Democrats are going to work to defeat him.

[Still In Wisconsin]

34. Agreed. I've supported Bernie from the beginning, but

I know when it's time to sit down, shut up, and vote for the Dem nominee. We can't have a President Trump.

Congrats on the win by the way.

[sadoldgirl]

44. You claim that you have supported Bernie,

yet Wisconsin did not vote yet. So you give in to the
idiotic pressure of media, DNC, etc.

What kind of support is that?!!!

[Still In Wisconsin]

47. I have donated- significantly more than I can really afford.

I have sent many, many texts and worked call lists in other states. If there was still a context, I'd be canvassing my own state next, but it's over. Hillary won and we lost. I will vote for her in the gE, but I still have Russ Feingold, a true progressive, who has a better than decent shot at re-claiming his Senate seat in WI.

[Betty Karlson]

37. NO. I will feel the Bern for as long as it may last.

No more homophobia in the White House. No more Third Way economics. No more untenable status quo.

[whatchamacallit]

39. Good luck with that

[coyote]

48. Great rallying thread Dan

LOL!

[basselope]

49. Which road to hell do you want to take?

The slow one or the fast one?

[passiveporcupine]

51. I"m sorry but you are wrong.

Ireelevent? I don't think jobs are irrelevant. I don't think that competing with other countries in education is irrelevant.

The most important thing this country has to face right now is beating Hillary.

It is critical that we move forward on the changes that Bernie is fighting for (money out of politics) and bringing the middle class back. Supporting education and racial equality. No more trade agreements that leave this country destitute for jobs.

No, you are wrong. The topics we've been debating are not irrelevant...they are critical to the growth of this country. They are not irrelevant, but absolutely essential.

[DanTex]

53. Bernie's done. "Beating Hillary" at this point means President Trump.

If you think that Trump will be better than Hillary on jobs or education, well then

[passiveporcupine]

55. Obama was not done at this point and neither is Bernie

But thanks for playing.

[DanTex]

58. You mean when Obama was ahead? LOL.

[OhioBlue]

52. oy... we're not there yet

If and when we get to that point, I will enthusiastically work to defeat Trump. or Cruz. or Kasich. or *.

But we are not to a point where there are only two ways it could go by a long shot. I think the odds are pretty high that Hillary will be the nominee, but nothing is 100%, let's allow the primary to continue. Hell, it's the only thing that gets our side a snippet in the media.

I wouldn't bet on Trump, I don't know if he is even at 50:50. The GOP sat on their hands, scratched their heads and watched. They're now in "oh shit!!!" mode. They've just started rolling out their anti-Trump ads. The Trump crap well is deep. Let's see what they dig up and start flinging.

[Autumn]

54. What if Trump isn't the puke nominee? What if Hill isn't the nominee?

Seems like it might be a damn good idea to see which nominees on either side clinch the deal before we knock our selves out fighting shadows. However, you want to go after someone who isn't there yet... please proceed.

[DanTex]

56. Hill is the Dem nominee for sure. Cruz might still take the GOP, but it's probably Trump.

[Autumn]

57. Not yet she's not.

[DanTex]

59. For all practical purposes, she is. 300+ delegate lead. It's over.

[Autumn]

60. Got a link to the announcement that she is the nominee?

No it's not over unless you got a link.

[DanTex]

62. Not yet, but it's coming. You'll see. It's Hillary. Deny all you want, it makes no difference.

[Autumn]

65. Got a link? All I see is an opinion with nothing to back it up that she is the nominee

Your

Not yet, but it's coming

is a possible future event, one of many possible events. So no, it's not over and she is not the nominee.

[DanTex]

66. Yes, it's over. She locked it up on Tuesday.

[Autumn]

70. No she didn't lock it up and I'm bored to death with this discussion . So bye for now

[DanTex]

67. LOL. Bernie couldn't even beat Clinton in the Democratic primary. He got walloped.

The thing is, Bernie is irrelevant now. He lost. It's Clinton versus Trump.

[DanTex]

74. Umm, I don't think I'll be seeing you in June.

[redstateblues]

72. DanTex-Welcome back!

[DanTex]

73. Thanks!

[uppityperson]

76. Does this mean I shouldn't go to our caucus this weekend? since he's already lost?

Why do you discount all of the states that haven't caucused yet?

[Waiting For Everyman]

88. The Primary and the General are different electorates.

...as everybody who knows anything about politics well knows.

Quinnipiac and CNN polls both show that Hillary is going to get creamed in the General. Sanders beats all of the Repubs, easily.

Ignoring facts doesn't make them go away. The fact of this will become apparent but by then it will be too late.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. That's all that matters now? We don't even get to have our own issues because Trump?

Thing is, I still have issues I care about. I'll still be advocating for those issues.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

75. Hillary will not beat him

that's why she shouldn't be the nominee

[DanTex]

89. Coming from people who were predicting she would lose the primary, it doesn't have much credibility

[Firebrand Gary]

77. Tick tock, tick tock

Hillary smears by fellow democrats are running out of minutes.

[JDPriestly]

78. California has not yet voted. Thanks for disenfranching us.

The November election contest does not begin until after the convention.

Anything can happen between then and now.

I'm 72. I've seen it all. The primary season is not yet over. We have a long way to go until the convention. As I said, anything can happen.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

California has about 564 delegates. Don't count us out.

Washington and Oregon have also not voted yet.

I realize that the rest of the country doesn't think we are worth much out here on the West coast and therefore leaves our primaries to the very end, but we consider ourselves to be citizens of the US albeit more liberal than the ignorant Southerners. We want a chance to vote. Many of us are minorities, and we want to be heard.

[SusanCalvin]

80. Or any of the Rs vs the eventual D. nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

86. You might wait to see if he gets nominated first.

Ginned up fear is just as dangerous as a Trump. Both are creations of propaganda.

Did you know that Trump has received $2 billion in free air time? And yet everyone is shouting "gotta stop Trump". Hmm... Somehow that comes off a tiny bit phony to me.