Hillary makes fear of Trump less compelling

[whatchamacallit]

Yeah he puts on a good lunatic show, but it's hard to be shaking in your boots when you know we're going to get more economic hardship, wealth and income inequality, dismantling of liberties and social programs, devastation of the planet's ecosystem, and war war war, either way. Our once-in-a-lifetime shot at breaking out of the death spiral is a democratic socialist with a steadfast, lifelong commitment to justice and democratic ideals, not a self serving, shapeshifting, truth challenged, establishment 1%er. The shrewd plutocracy will let us have a black president, they'll let us have a woman president, but what they won't let us have, is a president who challenges their rule. Congrats dems.

[bkkyosemite]

1. Corrupt.

[HooptieWagon]

2. True.

We know Clinton will carry water for Wall St, support domestic spying, get us in another stupid war, take kickbacks, and subject us to 4-8 more years of scandals and investigations/impeachments. Trump is no worse. I can't see any reason to vote for either.

[Jenny_92808]

5. We must continue the good fight

This is too important. I will do whatever I can to help Bernie. Go Bernie!

[onehandle]

3. Cool story, bro. nt

[whatchamacallit]

4. Meme misapplication?

Nothing cool about it. Rather sad actually.

[riderinthestorm]

6. Yup, Jill Stein will get many votes. If both candidates are crap for the planet

for example, and aren't going to do dick about it (or do it incrementally *snort*), it makes no difference.

Then vote for the candidate whose got the best climate change platform for your conscience.

I've heard this at least 100 times from the millennials I know and volunteered with at the Bernie HQ.

[HooptieWagon]

10. Yes, she will.

And it will be easily measured. She got 0.36% of the vote in 2012. Everything above that in 2016 will be from Sanders supporters. The total will still be well under the 12-15% of conservative Democrats who vote for Trump, but still enough that Clinton won't be able to win any swing states. A good number of Dems simply won't vote for her, she gets only 1/3 of Independants, and nearly nothing of GOP X-over votes. I can't see her winning with the remainder.

[Shadowflash]

15. Yup.

If it comes down to HRC and Trump, I think the other parties are going to have a better than average year.

[Ned_Devine]

30. I'll never vote GOP, but I'll always vote my conscience.

And if it's between Trump the boorish asshole and HRC who ran a racist campaign against Obama and a dishonest one against one of the only genuine authentic do-gooder public servants we've got left, Jill Stein has my vote.

[RoccoR5955]

42. +1 n/t

[MadDAsHell]

7. But...but...BERNIE HAS A PENIS!!! How can he possibly be good for the country?!?! nt

[WhiteTara]

27. He has a white penis so it's all good. nt

[MadDAsHell]

34. Touche'. nt

[Onlooker]

8. Don't be a sore loser

Hillary has very good liberal credentials, but the race has only highlighted her more conservative acts. It would be like highlighting Bernie's support for the stealth bomber, gun rights, and the Minutemen. The fact is that Hillary is supported by civil rights leaders, gay rights leaders, and women's rights leaders, as well as majorities in those groups is a testament to her liberal credentials.

Bernie is great, but Hillary is progress too. In terms of ratings as a Senator, she is actually to the left of Obama.

[whatchamacallit]

9. It's a testament to something

but not her "liberalism". I'm not sore, and I'm not giving up on Bernie. Clinton and Trump are both nonstarters for me.

[HooptieWagon]

11. "Liberal credentials"?

Wall St, war, and corruption are now 'Liberal credentials'?

[riderinthestorm]

13. The planet is fucked if she's elected. Any of the R's either

So vote your conscience on climate change. The planet can't wait any longer.

It's the message I hear most from millennials who will pivot to Jill Stein. They aren't Dems anyway and don't believe for one minute HRC is "liberal". They belong to the 43% who are independents.

[vintx]

44. "vote your conscience on climate change. The planet can't wait any longer."

+1

[Scootaloo]

29. No, Clinton is not progress.

Maybe in 2004 or 2008, she would have been. Maybe. But in 2016, she's a big step backwards

But she's rich, she's white, she's named clinton, and she's not a Jew. S'all any of her supporters give a shit about

[pengu]

41. I don't care who supports her, I care what she supports

I don't like most of what she supports at all.

[RoccoR5955]

45. How can you say

that someone who voted for two wars, bailed out banks on the backs of taxpayers, was against equal rights of marriage, and pro death penalty has good liberal credentials?

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't understand if she was for all of those things, how that could be "liberal" in any way, so please explain how those things are liberal, so that I may understand you a bit better.

Thanks.

[oasis]

12. The importance of 3 Supreme Court appointments cannot be dismissed. nt

[whatchamacallit]

14. Yes, and I have no doubt

both Trump and Clinton will chose their nominees carefully to preserve the status quo.

[oasis]

20. You still have a choice between the two. nt

[riderinthestorm]

18. In 10 years SCOTUS picks will be irrelevant as our planet fails

SCOTUS picks will be irrelevant in many millennials' minds as climate change will be entering the beginning of the catastrophic phase.

HRC's climate change plan is so inneffectual it's laughable. They want real action. That means voting for either Sanders or Jill Stein.

Besides, the millennials (and plenty of other Bernie supporters of every age) I know believe HRC will pick a corporatist Justice so that doesn't work on them.

[oasis]

19. It's going to be at least 3 justices Hillary or Trump will pick.

Relax, she'll do the right thing.

[riderinthestorm]

22. She needs to convince them. So far she's utterly failed

and if she doesn't change her climate change position dramatically between now and election day (if she's the nominee), "fear" of Trump is irrelevant and they will vote their conscience.

[agracie]

16. There is still hope. The best is yet to be. Go here:

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-worst-states-behind/

[whatchamacallit]

17. Thanks for the link

[Blue_Adept]

21. Yer killin' me here

It's like bad performance art out of a high school level.

[grossproffit]

46. I think you're being far too kind in comparing it to a high school level

[seabeyond]

23. Not even kinda and any Democrat knows better than that. What it is, is sour grapes

at not getting the candidate you want. Now, to suggest that voting for such a misogynist racist bigot is no difference, really has me questioning moral compasses around here.

[whatchamacallit]

24. I don't suggest voting for that clown

but I reject the meme that not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump.

[seabeyond]

26. Simple math. But, wtf, right? Lol.

[whatchamacallit]

28. Don't try to own my vote and I won't try to own yours

Capiche?

[Metric System]

25. Hillary is pro gay, pro-choice, anti-gun. Good with me.

[whatchamacallit]

31. Opportunistically and conditionally pro gay, pro choice, and anti gun

But if that's good enough for you...

[Metric System]

32. Hillary's record on gun control and abortion rights is excellent. Even on gay rights, she's had a

lot of support within the LGBT community even when she opposed same sex marriage.

[MaggieD]

36. She has support within the LGBT community because she was involved!

As I have tried to explain to Sanders supporters many, many times she actually did get involved in our issues and advocate for us. Sanders never did anything other than vote the right way a few times (as did she).

Joe Solmonese said the other day that he never even met Bernie the entire time he was president of the Human Rights Campaign. I know that is true from my time there. I can assure you the previous president of HRC never met Bernie either. Bernie did not give a shit about us.

[Metric System]

39. That's the truth. The supposed civil rights and LGBT icon had zero name recognition in the gay and

African American communities before he ran for President. That speaks volumes.

[MaggieD]

33. I think you will find this to be incorrect

My belief is that the majority of the country still wants a sane, competent, and qualified president. And that certainly is not Trump. I'm grateful he makes that obvious.

I do think it would have been very hard to go up against him with a socialist though. Hillary will certainly have a better chance of winning than Sanders.

[whatchamacallit]

35. Competent and qualified

to keep the establishment gravy train on a greased track.

[MaggieD]

37. Like what?

I think it's time we stopped with the innuendo that is never accompanied by any facts whatsoever. Don't you?

[whatchamacallit]

38. Release the transcripts

[Metric System]

40. Y'all still banging that drum?

[whatchamacallit]

43. Truth is, we don't need them to know who she is and who she works for

That's already clearly laid out in her personal and political history.

[JohnnyLib2]

47. My fear of a Trump presidency is VERY compelling.

Chaos just doesn't appeal.....