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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:11 PM Mar 2016

Head Clinton's latest meme off at the pass: Things Bernie Sanders is FOR.

Apparently, Hillary has a new meme: Bernie Sanders is against EVERYTHING and is nothing but a grumpy curmudgeon.

However, that's simply not so. I'll start and allow the rest of you to both state what he's for and how he'll pay for it and/or work to insure it happens:

Free Tuition at PUBLIC Colleges for Students who Make the Grade: A nickel tax on Wall Street Speculation.

Medicare-for-All: A rise in income taxes. Middle income taxes would rise about $500 on average, but the average family would save $4,500 in what they won't be paying in premiums and deductibles to for-profit health insurance companies.

Breaking Up Too Big To Fail Banks: Reinstatement of Glass-Steagall and Renewed Use of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act

There's a start... keep it going.



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Head Clinton's latest meme off at the pass: Things Bernie Sanders is FOR. (Original Post) Fawke Em Mar 2016 OP
EXPANDING Social Security nt Rebkeh Mar 2016 #1
...by lifting the cap on the Social Security tax from $118,500 to $250,000 to start. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #12
Campaign finance reform marions ghost Mar 2016 #2
By working with Congress to either pass a Constitutional referendum and/or by Fawke Em Mar 2016 #14
I prefer "and" marions ghost Mar 2016 #21
There's actually a third way that is the easiest. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #24
only "natural persons" have constitutional rights marions ghost Mar 2016 #31
I found it interesting that when I first came to Japan, Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #47
In her defense, he is against bullshit wars. Broward Mar 2016 #3
OK. I'll give you that one. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #15
When did she say this latest crock of crap? Kall Mar 2016 #4
At tonight's Town Hall on MSNBC. eom Fawke Em Mar 2016 #27
Marijuana Rebkeh Mar 2016 #5
Right now Bernie could eat a kitten on stage and I would just say it must have been a song bird... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #6
Any way to make this more "sound bitable" for social media? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #17
I am thinking... just spit balling here. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #32
First I lol'd at the kitten part... bunnies Mar 2016 #25
Sorry I forgot to put the warning in there. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #30
Make a meme. A digestible image with a quote. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #33
Neither can I, neither can a whole lot of people. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #34
I'm trying to boil this down. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #37
Check your inbox. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #39
LOL I was working on a cartoon idea Kalidurga Mar 2016 #40
The image I used would be fair use. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #43
I actually didn't know that. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #45
I just can't comprehend how anyone with a soul could do that. bunnies Mar 2016 #35
I am going to be telling lots of people about this in my community Kalidurga Mar 2016 #42
HolyHell!! Duppers Mar 2016 #61
No problem. I want someone to ask Hillary about Health Management Associates... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #62
Looks before he leaps noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #7
I hope you are right, but we managed Jay Nixon and Claire McCaskill Gore1FL Mar 2016 #13
You Never Had a Chance noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #18
Fair point Gore1FL Mar 2016 #28
All Clinton has is her Negatives FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #8
A Living Wage Rebkeh Mar 2016 #9
Which makes communities wealthier! Fawke Em Mar 2016 #19
Immigration reform without punishments for those Vattel Mar 2016 #10
$15/hr minimum wage Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #11
^^^^this aidbo Mar 2016 #51
He's for ending the death penalty and the use of cluster bombs and torture. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #16
And he's for ending for-profit prisons. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #22
Repeal Citizens United. Litmus test for SCOTUS nominees. senz Mar 2016 #20
Taking care of our veterans. And the disabled. jillan Mar 2016 #23
Family farms and NO GMOs in our food! jillan Mar 2016 #26
Fair elections, expanding voter participation, making election day Democracy Day a national holiday, Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #29
Actual Democracy Armstead Mar 2016 #36
De-militarization of our police force. JeffHead Mar 2016 #38
Vox has an interesting article about how Sanders' college plan doesn't actually work as advertised. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #41
The fact is that it would work, but for obstructionist Republicans. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #46
See, this is the arrogance that's such a turn-off about Sanders and his supporters. You're not the CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #48
Reproductive rights with no bans on abortion or birth control, equal pay, paid family leave... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #44
Sane drug laws. Let's stop the War On Americans. jalan48 Mar 2016 #49
Every policy position can be described as for X and against Y. Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #50
She was talking about things with "international ramifications." kennetha Mar 2016 #52
Like wars to invade sovereign states? grasswire Mar 2016 #54
the specific topic was international trade agreements kennetha Mar 2016 #56
Kick dchill Mar 2016 #53
#1 repeat #1 = Rebuilding the middle class. nt kristopher Mar 2016 #55
The Specific Topic Was International Trade Agreements kennetha Mar 2016 #57
Bernie's against stuff that hurts workers, the environment, etc., ... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Mar 2016 #58
Bernie is for Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #59
Getting the Clintons out of politics.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #60

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
12. ...by lifting the cap on the Social Security tax from $118,500 to $250,000 to start.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

He'd lift it entirely at some point.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
14. By working with Congress to either pass a Constitutional referendum and/or by
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

appointing a Supreme Court justice who would overturn Citizens' United once it came in front of the Court again.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
24. There's actually a third way that is the easiest.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

Simply amend the Constitution to put the word, "natural" in front of person. Boom. Done.

https://movetoamend.org/wethepeopleamendment

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
31. only "natural persons" have constitutional rights
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016

Not corporate "persons"

This really is good! Thanks.

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From the link:

House Joint Resolution 48 introduced April 29, 2015

Section 1. [Artificial Entities Such as Corporations Do Not Have Constitutional Rights]

The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only.

Artificial entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights under this Constitution and are subject to regulation by the People, through Federal, State, or local law.

The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by the People, through Federal, State, or local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable.

Section 2. [Money is Not Free Speech]

Federal, State, and local government shall regulate, limit, or prohibit contributions and expenditures, including a candidate's own contributions and expenditures, to ensure that all citizens, regardless of their economic status, have access to the political process, and that no person gains, as a result of their money, substantially more access or ability to influence in any way the election of any candidate for public office or any ballot measure.

Federal, State, and local government shall require that any permissible contributions and expenditures be publicly disclosed.

The judiciary shall not construe the spending of money to influence elections to be speech under the First Amendment.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
47. I found it interesting that when I first came to Japan,
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

some people I knew translated "法人" ("houjin&quot as "legal person(s)". Curious about this odd English, I looked up this character combination myself and found that it actually means "corporation".

Kall

(615 posts)
4. When did she say this latest crock of crap?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

He was for financial regulation before it was cool. If only certain Democratic Presidents had listened.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
6. Right now Bernie could eat a kitten on stage and I would just say it must have been a song bird...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

killing feral cat, Yay Bernie saves the song birds.

Please DO NOT read without having a loved one or the closest thing that passes for it nearby.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=3732

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
17. Any way to make this more "sound bitable" for social media?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

This really needs to be spread around Twitter and Facebook in ways that are easily digestible.

I was reading that on some earlier threads and was trying to think of ways to get that out.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
32. I am thinking... just spit balling here.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

I don't do photo shop well at all so if you know someone see what they think of this.

A picture of Bernie eating a kitten and the caption is "Well at least he didn't kill my, uncle." and a link to any of the many sites that have this story.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
30. Sorry I forgot to put the warning in there.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

That hit me like a ton of bricks and I was already very upset. In fact I might have been crying at the time because of the fall out from those terrible Nancy Reagan comments. I wasn't looking for this. But, now I am going to do everything I can to get the word out on this. I am a key board warrior and I will be a community activist on this issue.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
33. Make a meme. A digestible image with a quote.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:48 PM
Mar 2016

I'll be more than happy to help you spread it.

If you can boil this down in one or two sentences, I'll be happy to build it for you. PM me and let's get this started.

This is HORRIBLE. I can't believe I had never even heard of it until today.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
34. Neither can I, neither can a whole lot of people.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

But, after all I have read there is no doubt it happened. And Hillary stood by her man even after this came out.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
37. I'm trying to boil this down.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

Just about have it, I think.

Want you to check to make sure its worded correctly.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
43. The image I used would be fair use.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

It was the image Time took of David Kirby dying in his father's arms. It was credited as bringing the face of AIDS home to the average person.

http://time.com/3503000/behind-the-picture-the-photo-that-changed-the-face-of-aids/

P.S. You probably knew that, but I posted it in case others don't know this story.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
45. I actually didn't know that.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

I tweeted and later I will be tweeting to individuals that I am following.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
35. I just can't comprehend how anyone with a soul could do that.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

I just read it again... and it got worse. Yeah and people would say "what does it have to do with Hillary?" Water seeks its own level.

How in the world did no one in Arkansas go to jail for this?! I'm enraged.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
42. I am going to be telling lots of people about this in my community
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

lots and lots of people. And I am going to an anti war rally. I think they already don't like her. They will like her less. I am going to tell Marvin too, that guy gets chit done.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
61. HolyHell!!
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 01:41 AM
Mar 2016

The more I learned about the Clintons the less I like them.

As Bunnies said, how could anyone with a soul do this?

Am reading your other threads now. Thank you for posting this info.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
62. No problem. I want someone to ask Hillary about Health Management Associates...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 01:42 AM
Mar 2016

Just to see the look on her face and to hear the lies that will follow.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
7. Looks before he leaps
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is like the voters in Missouri, the "Show Me" state. He isn't like Hillary who leaps and then looks. He looks before he leaps. He expects those who are pushing trade deals to show him how it benefits workers. And seeing as how all of the trade deals since the Clinton administration have not protected workers your damn right he's going say no. I think the people of Missouri will appreciate a candidate like Bernie.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
13. I hope you are right, but we managed Jay Nixon and Claire McCaskill
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

If the college kids vote, I think we (and by "we" I mean Bernie supporters) have a chance here.

For what it is worth, a Conservative Christian in my office feels the Bern. So does my Reagan-supporting boss.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
28. Fair point
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:38 PM
Mar 2016

My disillusioned son is Berning to vote. The vast majority of the people I know are voting for Bernie, including the two I already mentioned.

I hesitate to call that a good sample population. It gives me hope that you are right!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
10. Immigration reform without punishments for those
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

who cross borders illegally to feed their families (Clinton has endorsed such punishments).

Immigration reform that doesn't break up families (like the 2007 immigration reform bill would have).

Immigration reform without permitting semi-slavery masked as a guest worker program (like the 2007 immigration reform bill would have permitted).

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
22. And he's for ending for-profit prisons.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

Which won't be needed after takes marijuana off the scheduled drug list.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
29. Fair elections, expanding voter participation, making election day Democracy Day a national holiday,
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

curtailing the corrupting influence of big money in elections and public policy. That's just to name a few.

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
38. De-militarization of our police force.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

They should not look like occupying armies with military surplus giveaways. They should look more like the communities they serve. Bernie says it all the time and I couldn't agree more.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
41. Vox has an interesting article about how Sanders' college plan doesn't actually work as advertised.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/14/11222482/bernie-sanders-free-college

This leaves us with two problems.

One is unrealistic expectations. People who are voting for Sanders because they are enthusiastic about the idea of free college should know that even if his political revolution fully sweeps Washington, college tuition still isn't going to be eliminated unless governors and state senators can be convinced to raise higher education spending.

The other is selectivity. Sanders's plan does not truly deliver tuition-free college for the exact same reason that the Affordable Care Act does not truly deliver universal health care: path dependency and reliance on state government cooperation. If all 50 states had governments in place that wanted to achieve universal insurance coverage, then the Affordable Care Act creates a framework in which they could easily and affordably do so. Indeed, it provides much more of the necessary financial resources than does Sanders's College for All Act.


Who could have guessed that the details behind the vague "Free college for everyone" promise wouldn't add up to something viable? I mean, besides anyone who is not a 20-something stoner looking to get everything paid for by someone else.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
46. The fact is that it would work, but for obstructionist Republicans.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

Which leads to another thing Bernie is for: masses of people turning out to vote for individuals who truly represent them.

That won't happen over night and no one claims it will.

But, if you'll give people something to vote for, they'll show up.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
48. See, this is the arrogance that's such a turn-off about Sanders and his supporters. You're not the
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:39 PM
Mar 2016

only people voting for a candidate who you think represents you. And frankly, it's rude and condescending for you to imply things like that.

This is the kind of mindless purity test that shrinks a coalition into a cult.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
50. Every policy position can be described as for X and against Y.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

Someone for marijuana legalization is against keeping marijuana possession illegal.

Someone for keeping marijuana possession illegal is against marijuana legalization

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
52. She was talking about things with "international ramifications."
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

and trade in particular. He is so ideologically rigid and inflexible that his ideology dictates all his beliefs in advance. He doesn't have to think or weight arguments or evidence or possible compromises. He just operates out of ideological reflexes.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
56. the specific topic was international trade agreements
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:39 PM
Mar 2016

Mathews asked Clinton how she thought trade agreements might look under Sanders.

She professed to have know idea, since he is reflexively opposed to them before even knowing what they look like or have been fully negotiated and worked out.

Which seems true.

ANd stupid of Sanders.

Sherod Brown, basically said the same thing about Sanders on the Chris Hayes show, even though he too has been against these trade deals and stands on the same side as Sanders on them.

58. Bernie's against stuff that hurts workers, the environment, etc., ...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:12 AM
Mar 2016

And FOR stuff that helps people, the environment, etc.,

If he's against it, he's protecting US!

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