HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » 2016 Postmortem (Forum) » Clinton's Double Standard...

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:06 PM

Clinton's Double Standard: OK that Veteran was Brutalized at Her Speech:



Hillary’s Double-Standard on Protests

March 11, 2016

Exclusive: Hillary Clinton is lecturing Donald Trump on the need to respect protesters but – in 2011 – she did nothing to stop police from brutalizing a silent protester at one of her speeches, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Hillary Clinton has excoriated Donald Trump for failing to stop a supporter from roughing up a protester during a speech, saying “This kind of behavior is repugnant. We set the tone for our campaigns — we should encourage respect, not violence.” Yet, in 2011, she did nothing to stop security personnel from brutalizing a 71-year-old veteran who stood silently with his back to her during a speech.

The protester, Ray McGovern, a retired Army officer and CIA analyst, was wearing a black “Veterans for Peace” T-shirt, when he was set upon within sight of Secretary of State Clinton, who ironically was delivering a speech about the importance of foreign leaders respecting dissent. The assault on McGovern left him bruised and bloodied but it didn’t cause Clinton to pause as she coolly continued on, not missing a beat.

Army veteran and ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern, standing in protest of a speech by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Feb. 15, 2011.

The Feb. 15, 2011 incident at George Washington University in Washington prompted an email from Clinton’s personal adviser Sidney Blumenthal who noted that “something bad happened” and suggested that Clinton have someone reach out and apologize to McGovern. Clinton, however, chose not to do so....

Subsequently, McGovern was placed on the State Department’s “Be On the Look-out” or BOLO alert list, instructing police to “USE CAUTION, stop” and question him and also contact the State Department’s Diplomatic Security Command Center.


https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/11/hillarys-double-standard-on-protests/

82 replies, 5804 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 82 replies Author Time Post
Reply Clinton's Double Standard: OK that Veteran was Brutalized at Her Speech: (Original post)
amborin Mar 2016 OP
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #1
KansDem Mar 2016 #5
UglyGreed Mar 2016 #6
kristopher Mar 2016 #7
UglyGreed Mar 2016 #8
DebDoo Mar 2016 #12
Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #45
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #10
JEB Mar 2016 #69
Kittycat Mar 2016 #17
Duval Mar 2016 #40
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #47
Kittycat Mar 2016 #50
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #2
SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #21
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #27
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #29
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #32
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #46
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #52
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #63
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #73
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #74
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #75
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #76
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #77
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #79
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #80
bvar22 Mar 2016 #82
sus453 Mar 2016 #37
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #48
grasswire Mar 2016 #3
thereismore Mar 2016 #25
maxsolomon Mar 2016 #38
Ken Burch Mar 2016 #65
Ikonoklast Mar 2016 #71
tk2kewl Mar 2016 #4
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #9
Wilms Mar 2016 #11
farleftlib Mar 2016 #13
kath Mar 2016 #14
AzDar Mar 2016 #15
Octafish Mar 2016 #16
FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #18
zentrum Mar 2016 #19
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #20
Fuddnik Mar 2016 #22
turbinetree Mar 2016 #23
Sunlei Mar 2016 #24
farleftlib Mar 2016 #31
Sunlei Mar 2016 #35
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #54
Sunlei Mar 2016 #55
Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #59
Sunlei Mar 2016 #60
Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #61
SoapBox Mar 2016 #26
DustyJoe Mar 2016 #28
downeastdaniel Mar 2016 #30
Duval Mar 2016 #33
pdsimdars Mar 2016 #34
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #36
Duval Mar 2016 #41
Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #39
A Simple Game Mar 2016 #57
SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #42
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #43
SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #44
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #49
SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #56
riversedge Mar 2016 #51
Ken Burch Mar 2016 #67
Ken Burch Mar 2016 #66
yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #53
Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #58
alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #62
amborin Mar 2016 #64
Enthusiast Mar 2016 #68
NCjack Mar 2016 #70
Bonobo Mar 2016 #72
KoKo Mar 2016 #78
d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #81

Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:08 PM

1. I remember when that happened, and almost everyone here was in shock.

Hillary didn't even pause when McGovern was thrown to the ground.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:22 PM

5. Video...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KansDem (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:24 PM

6. Did not even

blink an eye............

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to UglyGreed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:31 PM

7. The grin at 33 sec says a lot more than any blink might...

...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to kristopher (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:36 PM

8. Yes

like OK get this done so I can continue my speech.... Very similar to the way she dismissed Ashley Williams.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to kristopher (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:11 PM

12. Exactly!

She smiled, looking right at it happening.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DebDoo (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:08 PM

45. Yes, she was smiling when Ray McGovern was being roughed up.

That shows that she has no empathy. Almost psychopathic. She laughed when Gaddafi was killed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KansDem (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:45 PM

10. Tape is ugly. She never stopped her canned speech. "So this is America?"

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten

AMY GOODMAN: Ray, we only have a minute, but why were you there? Why did — were you standing up?

RAY McGOVERN: I was standing up in silent witness to the fact that Hillary Clinton is responsible, partly responsible, for countless thousands of Iraqis, Americans, Afghans and, God help us, Iranians — I hope not — and that she should not get the idea that everybody is going to sit down and applaud politely when there are so many of us that are usually excluded from these sessions who are feeling very, very, very sad and very angry at the foreign policy of our government. Very seldom do you have a chance to express that. I thought that I expressed that in a most nonviolent way by simply standing quietly with my back to her with a T-shirt that said "Veterans for Peace."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to EndElectoral (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:39 AM

69. I stand with Ray McGovern. eom

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KansDem (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:28 PM

17. What a disgusting piece of work.

Nothing to like there with that smirk on her face. Reminds me of another smirking someone who didn't think twice of that kind of behavior. There's a dignified way of dealing with protesters, and there isn't. He was peaceful, and this was about as shitty a way to handle the situation from all ends, as can be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kittycat (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:31 PM

40. The other "smirk", is exactly what I was thinking.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kittycat (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:13 PM

47. This protestor didn't need "dealing with"

He was not disturbing the event. He was silent. Why couldn't they just leave him be?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:24 PM

50. I agree with you in theory, but

We know how this works. God forbid anyone show a hint of disagreement, even I silent observation. He could have even been asked to step to the aisle, as to not obsteuct the view for others, while still making his objection known. He could have bee kindly removed, or escorted away in a more respectful fashion. But yeah - tackle football while she smirks on is the name of the trump game, she doesn't hold the high ground on this issue.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:17 PM

2. Her supporters like her toughness. Trumps supporters like his toughness. nm

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:35 PM

21. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:56 PM

27. Are you suggesting anyone who supports Hillary is really a rightwinger who would support

Trump?

Now again, how many Bernie supporters on this board have said outright they will not vote for Hillary and how many reverse?

My recollection is dozens who wont vote for Hillary, none who wont vote for Bernie.

I can find the thread if necessary, but I would rather you just admit it and answer my question.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:15 PM

29. I appreciate the question although I am surprised that you are confused.

 

I was in no way at all suggesting that Clinton supporters were right wingers. I do think it's important to note that the Clinton supporters I've spoken to like her because they see her as tough. When I suggest that empathy is more important they generally stare at me. No one has accused Clinton of having too much empathy.

Of course some Sanders supporters have pledged to not vote for Clinton if she wins the primary because they don't think toughness is enough. They want their candidate to follow Democratic Principles and that doesn't include representing Big Money. Now you can try your hardest to explain the benefits of the lesser of evils, but it will fall on deaf ears. We've been blackmail too many times. If you want Trump then vote for Clinton and you will only have yourselves to blame.

Why would Democrats support someone that is beholden to the Big Money?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:20 PM

32. Deaf ears, yeah, I kinda figured that.

I call that selfish and childish.

If you dont get what you want, no matter the harm to others, you will walk away.

I call that as I see it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:08 PM

46. Isn't it childish and selfish to vote for the Democratic contender who can't beat the Republicans?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fawke Em (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:30 PM

52. Dont know, I am voting for Bernie.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:43 PM

63. Ok let's say you are correct, you're not, but let's say you are and these Sanders supporters

 

are acting childish and "walking away". So what do we do now? Without them we will lose the General to Trump. So a smart person would say, "Let's all support Bernie, and that way we will win the General." So those that say, "No, I'd rather lose the General than support Bernie", are being childish and selfish and are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

What it seems you and Clinton supporters don't understand is that many of Sen Sanders supporters wouldn't even be involved at this point if it wasn't for Sanders and the People's movement. They have come out because they reject the corrupt culture that Clinton represents. They will not be bullied (she is tough) into voting for the lesser of evils.

"If you dont get what you want, no matter the harm to others," I take that personally. I have friends and family that have been severely harmed by the corrupt culture that is the status quo. That's the "harm to others" that we've been dealing with. So no more status quo.

At some point true Democrats have to say "Hell no to the Oligarchy" and fight for our Democracy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #63)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:39 AM

73. So your bottom line is you or they wouldnt be involved were it not for Bernie, and if he isnt

the candidate, you walk, no matter who it harms.

Yes?

No?

Do you believe it cant get worse than it is now for anybody? You think a GOP White House along with the rest of power wont result in much more harm to many?

If you are a serious person (not you personally, people taking this position) then you cant possibly sit there and tell me you dont see how much harm there is if any GOP candidate wins.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #73)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:50 AM

74. You see the same question applies to your side. If it were obvious that Sanders was

 

the only candidate to be able to defeat the Republicon candidate would you still vote for Clinton knowing the consequences?

There is a problem with trying to blackmail progressives, it won't work. There were those that tried to talk our countries founders out of revolting against the tyranny of the crown. We are faced with the same problem today. The Ruling Class has been draining the resources for 30 years and must be stopped before anymore of us slide into poverty.

I don't want to see the GOP win and that's why it's critical we nominate Sen Sanders.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #74)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:01 AM

75. I am a Bernie Sanders voter. And I dont know any Hillary voters who have said they refuse

to vote for Bernie if he is the candidate.

Is there even one here?

Might be one, but in contrast there are very many in the other camp.

So there is that.

and

I want Bernie to win, but he probably wont if the stats are what they are. I will still vote for him and work for him and want him to win, but he may not, right?

Then what?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #75)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:08 AM

76. I don't know what should happen. I don't know what I will do. I took a pledge in 2002 to

 

never, ever support the &%#@ that betrayed their Party and bowed before Bush. They betrayed us when we needed them the most.

Let me ask you a question. What should we have done in 2000 when the Ruling Class interfered with our election process? Our Party did nothing. Al Gore jumped over the net and gave Bush a big handshake. But we the People did nothing also, and lives were lost and ruined and we lost our democracy. How long do we crawl before the Ruling Class?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #76)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:09 AM

77. What could we have done? What possible thing could we have done?

If you are proposing a 3rd party option, then count me IN, as John said.

But until that is viable, we work with what we have.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #77)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:15 AM

79. I don't know what we should have done. But if we don't do something, it will continue to get worse.

 

And at some point we will go past the point of no return to democracy. I think this election is the point of no return. If we can't get the Ruling Class to back off, we won't survive another 8 years. The lower classes will be decimated and have even less power. We will be rip for a fascist type leader. Some are ready now.

For the record I don't advocate for a third party because the Democratic Party is ours and if we can't hold on to it, we won't be able to hold on to a third party either.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #79)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:23 AM

80. Good talk, next we can discuss how we cant really have any progress

in our economy until we institute protectionist trade policies like we used to have.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #80)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:09 PM

82. Some things are worth protecting:

*The ability of the American Worker to put food on the table for his/her family

*the sovereignty of the American People (or ANY country) to protect their environment, human rights, UNIONS, and Worker Rights from Secret Tribunals run by the World's richest people.
SEE: NAFTA, Chapter 11 (and from what I've seen, the TPP is even worse)


Nobody advocates for the old style protectionism, but a balanced, rational approach to International Trade that produces a level playing field, and doesn't abandon the American Worker to compete with Slave Labor for their jobs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:30 PM

37. Jackie, I don't think it makes a

difference how many will or won't vote for Hillary should she win the nomination - we are, each one of us, individuals. I live in a solidly blue state, and I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. My conscience says, (to quote a certain presidential candidate) - "Basta". It also says, "Jamas".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rhett o rick (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:14 PM

48. You hit it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:20 PM

3. stunning

She's cold as ice.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:53 PM

25. I've said a similar thing before: she is dead inside. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:30 PM

38. She's willing to sacrifice our love

I've seen it before, it happens all the time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:01 AM

65. "...She's willing to sacrifice our love"

Sorry, you threw me into a Foreigner moment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:24 AM

71. ...and twice as brittle.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:20 PM

4. I did not know he was BOLOed

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:43 PM

9. Jesus, even Blumenthal wanted her to apologize and she wouldn't.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to EndElectoral (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:01 PM

11. I didn't know that. Good for Sid!

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:14 PM

13. He was put on the BOLO list?!!!

 

After being beaten up and dragged out??!! She's such a loser.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:23 PM

14. Wow. Just for him turning his back on her during a speech?!? this really needs to go viral.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:25 PM

15. K & R &...

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:27 PM

16. Ray McGovern got ''The Treatment'' protesting Hillary speech in 2011

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:28 PM

18. Ice water...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:29 PM

19. That's frightening.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:35 PM

20. Double standard? Hillary? Clinton? No that can't be...

 

that can't be news anymore.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:38 PM

22. And people can't understand why many people refuse to vote for her.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:41 PM

23. That's the first amendment under threat........................peaceful one as that ......







Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:48 PM

24. I think security hurts people moving them out, but he wasn't punched by a follower or told he will b

or told he will "be killed next time". Like Trumps follower did.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sunlei (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:17 PM

31. It's really petty to minimize somebody's pain and suffering

 

I saw the pix of him after he was "escorted" out, his face was swollen and bruised. He had been beaten. Also, he is a veteran, war-hero and former CIA-analyst who did his best to expose BushCo's lies about WMDs in Iraq. Try and show a little respect.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to farleftlib (Reply #31)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:29 PM

35. You can see "security" handle him roughly and hurt him in the video.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sunlei (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:46 PM

54. He was an old man. He was peaceful.

They did not have to beat him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:51 PM

55. In my opinion one kick or punch by police or 'security' and they should be fired.

But that never happens.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sunlei (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:48 PM

59. Security = Trump supporters?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ivan Kaputski (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:49 PM

60. At that event they look like police officers.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sunlei (Reply #60)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:53 PM

61. Only a change to brown shirts is needed.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:54 PM

26. Ugh...she is not Presidential material.

No More Clintons Ever!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:12 PM

28. protesting versus disrupting

Obviously it was felt he crossed the line from 'protest' to 'illegal disruption'.
I couldn't see it in the pictures, but maybe he crossed that line.
But I seriously doubt it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:16 PM

30. Hillary is so consistent in being an asshole...why do you suppose she's the most disliked?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:26 PM

33. Damn!

 

I had forgotten about this. UGH! Just UGH!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:27 PM

34. Many on DU reflect Bernie very well . . .

with issue after issue, you never give up trying to persuade others about the character of Clinton and Bernie.

My cynicism is bouyed up by your consistent effort and patience. I've pretty much given up trying to persuade these people, since they don't seem to respond to fact, or video, even video of Hillary contradicting herself. . . nothing seems to mean anything to them.

You guys keep trying, it is a thing of beauty.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:29 PM

36. A lot of Hillary supporters are really nice, kind people. They don't realize what

the woman they are supporting is really like.

I do not know Hillary personally. But I have watched her career.

I don't trust her. She says the right things in many situations, but she can be very vindictive. We don't need that in the White House.

I must say that there is probably no one that agree with 100% on every issue (unless maybe Bernie), and that is true of Obama. But if there is one thing you can say about Obama, it is that he is an exemplary, wonderful person -- patient, kind, loving, just a wonderful example for all Americans.

But Hillary -- I cannot say that of her. And this campaign she has gone overboard with dirty tricks -- innuendo and dishonest slams.

Please vote for Bernie. He is more like Obama but a bit tougher.

Obama is a one-of-a-kind president and human being. We are so lucky as a country that he is our president. And I say that although I often disagree with his appointments and some of his policies. As a human being, he is wonderful!

His children prove it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JDPriestly (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:39 PM

41. Beautifully expressed comment. nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:31 PM

39. What a Piece of Work She Is

Her indifference is chilling.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:00 PM

57. Please watch the video again, that's not indifference, that's enjoyment and humor on her face. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:47 PM

42. These daily revelations won't affect the Clintonistas, but

they can affect those on the fence in a BIG way. They can be persuaded:

During our caucus, I sat next to an elderly woman — a real sweetheart — who said Hillary was her candidate. But her neighbor and I talked Bernie to her until it was time to pick a side.

She switched.

It wasn't difficult. All we did was tell the truth.





Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:52 PM

43. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, amborin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:54 PM

44. Can any Sanders supporter

ever put up something that is actually the truth without the hyperbolic misleading bullshit?
Or, did Clinton actually say that it was "OK that a veteran was brutalized" at her speech? Will you stand behind that statement?
Crap like this just destroys any credibility that you might have.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #44)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:15 PM

49. She didn't apologize.

How is standing with your back to someone "threatening" to the point that they're roughed up?

Speaking of credibility...

own it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fawke Em (Reply #49)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:53 PM

56. The OP is a false statement

A lie, whatever you want to call it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #44)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:29 PM

51. Thank you for our couragous comment. I stopped reading once

I realized the subject and issue. Shameful subject line.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to riversedge (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:05 AM

67. She had an obligation to tell the cops to leave him alone.

No one deserves to be manhandled for a peaceful, silent act of protest.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:03 AM

66. Doing nothing to stop the cops manhandling the guy is the same as approving of it.

There was no good reason for her NOT to say "he's doing a silent, nonviolent protest-leave him alone".

I assume you'll agree that Ray McGovern did nothing to deserve that treatment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:32 PM

53. Ugly business there. Ray McGovern is a great and gentle man.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:45 PM

58. It figures. No wonder she and Trump are friends.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:57 PM

62. Right wing trash

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #62)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:53 PM

64. no, it's the truth; "kill the messenger" title of Brock's book? nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 05:17 AM

68. Kicked and recommended!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:39 AM

70. And no one stood up to protest the treatment of that man. I don't recall protestors being

beaten in Obama and in Sanders rallies.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:27 AM

72. Brutal. Contrast that with how Obama deals with that.

Hillary is not on our side.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:11 AM

78. And having the young BLM Activist escorted out at her Donor Fest in Charleston, S.C.

It was disgraceful and that she still keeps lying and the fact checker's can't keep up with it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KoKo (Reply #78)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:49 PM

81. They can keep up with her

Its just that many refuse to do so since a couple have bought our by the media.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread