2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumANOTHER Hillary video surfaces. Robert Byrd.
And yet, another video surfaces of Hillary.
This time she praises Robert Byrd.
Yes THAT Robert Byrd. Former KKK member and the only Senator to vote against both African American U.S. Supreme Court nominees (liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas) and filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
More baggage than e-Bags.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)If you really want to bring up his racist past, for which he repeatedly atoned (and all his black staffers would tell you, if you wanted to hear them, he was sincere about), then knock yourself out.
Robert Byrd was an anti-Bush HERO here on DU. Of course, that was way before you arrived.
Here, read what your fellow DUers had to say about this guy you're hating on:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?address=132x1633641&az=view_all
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)was brought up by the far right many times. He had long ago rejected it and atoned for it.
blm
(113,005 posts)voted against Clarence Thomas because he was black.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And be redeemed.
I know enough about Bird's past and his work since to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hillary gets a pass on this.
CountAllVotes
(20,864 posts)and yes, may GOD BLESS Senator Robert Bryd from West Virginia!
May he RIP!!
MattP
(3,304 posts)this is beyond stupid, are you going to play the video of Obama praising him next
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)It appears that no one except Bernie or one of his supported is permitted to evolve or change political and social opinions.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)transformation throughout his long life. He did much good for this country and worked hard to atone for his past. Please do not accuse all Bernie supporters of something some may do. I see most Bernie supporters in this thread rejecting the slam on Byrd.
Duval
(4,280 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)unlike, say, Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)For your reading pleasure, a collection of obituary snow jobs:
From the 11th paragraph of the LA Times Byrd obituary: Byrd was not always a champion of liberal causes. He had come of age as a member of the Ku Klux Klan and cast a no vote on the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 that prohibited discrimination against African Americans and others. He later renounced his actions in both cases and called his membership in the KKK the worst mistake of my life.'
ABC News noted that despite his successful political track record, the Senates senior Democrat was no stranger to controversy and was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, as if calling for the extermination of dark-skinned peoples (as well as Jews, Catholics, and gays) was no more stirring a gaffe than Gary Harts monkey business.
MSNBC.com reported that Byrds success on the national stage came despite a complicated history on racial matters. As a young man, we was a member of the Ku Klux Klan for a brief period, and he joined Southern Democrats in an unsuccessful filibuster against the landmark 1964 Civil Rights. (The Ku Klux Klan no doubt objects to being called complicated, and has held since Day 1 one that there is nothing wishy-washy about castrations, lynching's or burning folks alive.)
CNN also gave Byrd a pass on his association with the early 20th-century homegrown terrorist movement, writing in the 20th paragraph of Byrds obituary that He blamed that Southern atmosphere in which I grew up, with all of its prejudices and its feelings, for his opposition to equal rights, which included joining the [domestic terrorist outfit] Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s.
Of all the outlets that eulogized Byrd, only the Hill bothered to mention that a young Byrd not only joined the KKK, but also led his local chapter.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/28/sen-robert-byrd-not-only-was-a-kkk-member-but-led-his-local-klan-chapter/#ixzz42tmegrjm
blm
(113,005 posts)IMO, some of you are using this thread to out your REAL reasons for being here at DU and posing as Sanders supporters.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)When the day comes when men who have served their sentence in jail are forgiven and allowed to vote...we can begin to think about forgiving Byrd fully. I admire the way he apologized for his mistakes as a leader of the KKK and all the horrible implications behind that. But again, if we can forgive him for those horrible mistakes...what about men and women who have paid for their mistakes and have rejoined society and still can't participate as a full citizen. Kind of a double standard if you ask me. I'm sure some of them have apologized for their past mistakes also, but to no avail. What about that?
blm
(113,005 posts).
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)you have me confused with someone who would use RW propaganda to make a point. Notice the article, it has comments from the media. Just because it was posted by the daily caller doesn't make any of the comments any less true. You seem to be trying to paint everyone as a RW propagandist if they don't go along with your view of things. Get over yourself, these are opinions that are being posted, and my opinion is exactly that, not something that would be used by RW or LW propagandist.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)trying to atone for his past and did much good for this country especially during the Bush era.
blm
(113,005 posts)the way this board is being manipulated and used by those intent on spreading RW propaganda here.
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)myself so I don't get a hide, but you are really out of line.
Duval
(4,280 posts)At home, we cheered this eloquent speech.
So why is it that he should get a pass on his past yet Hillary is held accountable?
As I said in other replies, double standard much?
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)Hillary is held to a harsher standard than just about anyone else. You'll get no argument from me on that account. I'm pleasantly surprised that you have finally acknowledged this.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I'm glad that a couple actual Bernie supporters are taking you to task for your ridiculous shit.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Including GOVERNORS Clinton and Wallace.
How low WILL you go?
not as low as some who WILL DEFEND a DISTORTION of history or straight out LIES.....
MADem
(135,425 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)that you did not answer my question.....who took the photo?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Since you're having trouble, it's the intellectual property of AP, and was first published in the Birmingham (AL) Post.
Happy now?
Sea lions....
smh!!!
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)mistakes, this will error will follow me to my grave.......
MADem
(135,425 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)not being so condescending???? Not the first time I've seen this type of reply on your behalf....
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)not being so condescending???? Not the first time I've seen this type of reply on your behalf....
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)sorry. Some people hide their true beliefs for political reasons...........it happens all the time.
MADem
(135,425 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)My best.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bucky
(53,933 posts)Seriously, a barbecue social photograph is your proof of exactly what, exactly?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Wallace and then Bill Clinton may of encouraged Trump to run makes me wonder why even associate with these fellas...... Even Rachel Maddow sees the similarities in Trump and Wallace.....
Bucky
(53,933 posts)You're not just clutching at straws, you're ignoring the public record.
Look, I get it. You support Bernie. So do I. I expect he'll win the nomination, at which point we will need those same Clinton supporters whom YOU, for God knows what reason, are trying to piss off.
Wouldn't your time be better spent volunteering at a phone back for Bernie instead of making fallacious arguments and repeating Republican slurs? I'm going down to Bernie HQ here in Houston tonight to help man the phones. What are you doing, other than distorting the opinions of Democrats and trying to divide the party? We're trying to build a barn here, Mr. "Uglygreed", so quit playing with matches and pick up a damned hammer.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Mr "Bucky" you could of just ignored the post instead of jumping on your high horse..... Maybe you should head there now and help the cause instead of belittle others???? BTW people change their tune to help their OWN bank accounts.............especially in politics "Bucko"
Bucky
(53,933 posts)I think I have as much right to post arguments in a public discussion as you do. You're just mad cause I'm right. I get there a 4:30pm local time. Will you go volunteer to support our candidate too?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Wallace was a racist, so was Byrd and Bill Clinton chatted with Trump ..... you are just mad because my screen name is UglyGreed............ BTW I'm disabled after having shunt surgery, three back and neck surgeries which now has caused me to have 12 herniated discs, neuropathic pain and lost a good part of my hearing after the shunt surgery. Not sure if I would be too helpful to the cause but my wife did donate even though we are on a limited budget since we do not get any help or benefits for my total disability....... Do you have any other suggestions my dear friend Mr Bucky????
MADem
(135,425 posts)Thank you for speaking truth, here. This is Democratic Underground, not a place where racist themes are bandied about for sport.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'd expect to see this kind of thing at Free Republic to "prove" that "Democrats are racists!!1!!!" or something, but not here.
It's obvious that the Gotcha poster of that pic didn't realize that Wallace was another of those DEEPLY repenting former racists who apologized PROFUSELY for his horrific conduct. He not only apologized directly to civil rights leaders, he went to black churches and apologized and asked for forgiveness for his transgressions.
In fact, he won his last term with the very significant aid of the mature, merciful, and oh-so-forgiving black vote.
Of course, you would have to know history to know this. I suspect that purveyors of the Gotcha Memes don't.
George II
(67,782 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)it was directed to the OP as a joke and of course the Hillary Supporters jump on it like red meat. Even a "Bernie" supporter had to act all righteous about a stupid picture..... Worry about your candidate praising the Reagans and lying about votes and whatever else she is trying to push as the truth.......
George II
(67,782 posts)....that photograph a number of times here as a smear of Bill Clinton.
As for the "issues", Hillary Clinton "praising the Reagans" was measured and misunderstood AND misrepresented.
Finally, we could/should point out Sanders' lies about votes (even debate moderators have pointed some out) but we can't because it would mean a hidden post in a New York minute.
More context to ponder.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Bill Clinton encouraging Trump to run...........
yodermon
(6,143 posts)demmiblue
(36,816 posts)ms liberty
(8,549 posts)Sen. Byrd was a good man who apologized and worked to atone for his past. He was a loyal democrat and stood up for democrats and democratic policies. Trashing him just to trash Hillary doesn't cut it.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)You need to study a little history before you bash someone.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Hillary regrets her support of DOMA & DADT yet Byrd gets a past & she doesn't? I dislike Hillary but I'm sensing a double standard.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)Byrd's evolution, and tireless opposition to Bush's criminal war enterprise. People here even had flowers delivered to him on the floor, I believe.
So let's give this guy the pass while we slam Hillary over her support of DOMA, DADT, TPP, everything she has come around on.
Got it. Legit.
jillan
(39,451 posts)He was a good man that spoke out very loudly against his earlier beliefs.
I guess you can say he evolved but he did it in his heart and not for political reasons.
Marr
(20,317 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)he sincerely apologized that for that in the years that followed and, I think, atoned for it. You're throwing mud at a man who doesn't deserve it, just so a little might splatter on Hillary Clinton.
I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton, but I'm even less a fan of deceitful arguments and the cynical exploitation of racism. I mean seriously-- you suggest that voting against Clarence Thomas was racist? Seriously?
Sorry but I find it incredibly hypocritical as I've said that we let this go with him and yet we don't with Hillary.
As far as Clarence Thomas goes, I copied and pasted Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics
blm
(113,005 posts)your tune a bit here and there to claim you're only pointing out DU's hypocrisy in regard to Hillary?
I think this is more a matter of you flailing around because you're getting called out by REAL Bernie Sanders supporters for promoting a RW narrative.
All you did was expose yourself and your likeminded pals.
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pinebox
(5,761 posts)And yet why is it we continue to let past transgressions of politicians pass? Hm? We brush things under the rug constantly and for what? We let our politicians get away with all sorts of junk & we pat them on the back and say "it will be ok".
The guy filibustered the Civil Rights Act ffs.
You want to let that slide then you go right ahead.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...later than any of us would have liked, of course. But he was one of the few with the courage to vocally and loudly stand up to GWB.
So no, as a Bernie supporter, I will not recommend nor support this post.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Byrd gets a pass but Hillary doesn't when it comes to her past and things like TPP, KXL, DOMA, DADT?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)with a 100% rating from the NAACP and became a staunch advocate for civil rights.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Hillary is supported by the Human Rights Campaign?
I can't stand her but I'm calling out a double standard right here right now.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)rights for members of the LBGT community.
What I do not find satisfactory is the fact that she still defends DOMA and DADT.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Look: Hillary right now is supporting someone who has an A+ rating with the NRA, contrary to her often professed beliefs that are strongly for gun control. And I think that is a minor issue, at best, so I give her the same kind of pass on that issue -- we are talking about someone else's positions, not hers, and there are often good reasons to support a less-than-perfect candidate (I don't know anything about that particular race and am speaking generally about how I reason these things out).
So, Bernie gets a pass on the Byrd thing from way back when, and Hillary gets a pass on the NRA A+ candidate support from right now.
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)of outrage against details of his past? That someone would post this thread on DU is really sad. We used to be better than this.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Bernie going after Clinton's welfare reform, something Hillary propped up & supported XD
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Bucky
(53,933 posts)It's a dead give-a-way for someone who's swallowed Republican propaganda
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's fine to say he was heinous to join the KKK, but not to say he is worthless as a human being because he he once joined the KKK.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Was he a Dixiecrat or not?
Bucky
(53,933 posts)Here... to the research yourself and then get back to me on it.
http://www.naacp.org/programs/bureau-dc/report_card/108th_Congressional_Report_Card.pdf
http://thegrio.com/2010/06/28/the-evolution-of-robert-byrds-racial-politics/
Seriously, didn't some Trump spokesman on CNN recently get ridiculed around DU for ignoring the progressive evolution of the Democratic Party after the 1960s? Why would you repeat the same silliness?
blm
(113,005 posts).
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Yes or no?
So let me get this straight, you think we should let the past slide away on Byrd while we hold Hillary accountable for her past transgression.
Hypocrisy much?
History is silly? Sorry but I don't find filibustering the Civil Rights Act hilarious.
In fact I find it disgusting.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Is that the new meme now?
Facts are FACTS. Period
Bucky
(53,933 posts)Facts are facts, true. But what you're doing is arguing using only half the facts. THAT is the right wing lean going on here.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)at that time Byrd was defended. Some in fact insisted any efforts to point to his less than noble past smacked of "desperation." Now the tune has changed. I've got a bad case of whiplash from trying to keep up with the changing justifications.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)and it directly relates. It's clear point is that Clinton says something positive about Byrd, which is supposed to provide evidence that she is unfit to serve as president.
That you and some others since decided to speak up for Byrd in no way detracts from the fact that there is no issue too petty or cause too malleable that it isn't twisted and contorted in furtherance of personality politics.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Response to pinebox (Original post)
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Yes, what he did initially was beyond heinous. We can condemn him for his past. But he did what he could to make up for it.
Except for the Byrd rule. I hate the Byrd rule, mostly because it's too dense to read.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)He tried to atone for his past and tried to do the right thing in his later years. I can't stand by this criticism at all.
blm
(113,005 posts)bit as if he ONLY voted against Thomas because he is black is UTTER HORSESHIT.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)blm
(113,005 posts)My blood boils when I see RW narratives being pushed here at DU.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)I support Bernie, but posts like this makes me cringe. We're better than this.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)blm
(113,005 posts)Damn it, DU!!! What the FvCK is going on here that so much RW propaganda and RW narratives are now a staple on these boards?
I implore my fellow Sanders supporters to STEP IN and PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN.
DU is SO much better than this. At least, it USED to be.
demmiblue
(36,816 posts)This is embarrassing, to say the least.
blm
(113,005 posts)posing as lefties. No real lefty would parrot RW talking points like this.
MADem
(135,425 posts)demmiblue
(36,816 posts)Yes, the far right-wing organization started by this smarmy dude:
It is getting crazy here.
Justice
(7,185 posts)A sad day when DU is full of misleading OP's like this one and people vote to leave it.
blm
(113,005 posts)and getting away with it because of juries filled with their kind.
No one on the true left would push this RW smear talking point.
it's delusional to think there's a massive communist conspiracy... oops I mean GOP conspiracy to infiltrate a fucking discussion board. Seriously, get some perspective.
FSogol
(45,435 posts)Response to blm (Reply #73)
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Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)So I don't hold that against her.
blm
(113,005 posts)he was black.
This is RW horseshit. No lefty would bring it here to a Dem board unless they were trying to force acceptance of their horseshit narrative here.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)I am sorry this was not hidden.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Since we both know the answer to that is yes, can you tell us what you thought of the Byrd Amendment? Trash her when she speaks well of him, trash her when she doesn't vote for his amendment.
Byrd also kicks ass. He represents the possibility that resides within all of us.
You really should delete your op.
G_j
(40,366 posts)Byrd was at the forefront of opposing Bush and Cheney's war. His story is long, but one of ultimate redemption, a concept most compassionate progressive people embrace to some extent. I implore you to rethink your post. It's not productive to anyone's cause here.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)week and jury hid my post. Be careful.
oasis
(49,320 posts)MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)I may support Bernie, but this is ridiculous. Find something else to criticize Hillary for.
olddots
(10,237 posts)EOM
zappaman
(20,606 posts)FSogol
(45,435 posts)blm
(113,005 posts); )
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Does anyone see a pattern here?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And we really, really can't lose this one. Try to remember that.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Sorry but he owns it.
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21/howard-dean-despite-denials-has-long-sad-history-of-selling-himself-on-k-street/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/14/1470083/-Howard-Dean-corporate-lobbyist-opposing-single-payer
http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/30/howard-dean-defends-his-work-for-lobbying-firm-after-backlash/
He's taken a cue from Hillary alright; lying.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)been. I saw dozens and dozens of interviews and he was always asked and he always very politely re-explained. I would never have had that patience. He did, he would make a new apology and explain and wait for the interview to continue to the current topic.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Byrd repented and flew right years ago, and was one of our best fighters in the Senate.
As mentioned above, only RW nutjobs stay stuck in 1960 on his background and career.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)is the double standard.
Why do we sweep Byrd under the rug while Hillary isn't allowed to?
Shoot straight or don't shoot at all.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)By the time Byrd passed away, he had a solid and consistent decades-long record on civil rights indicating a clear break with the follies of his youth.
With Clinton, we are talking about eight years in the senate and four as SoS with zigs and zags all along.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Fortunately very few people are in agreement with you.
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actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...and I agree with what you are saying. I'm glad Byrd changed his ways. But at the same time I don't think he should have been a senator. Just like with Clinton, I am glad she evolved on many issues but I don't think she should be president.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)appreciate that they've backed off the alerts now that I am taking a much needed break from hosting. Kinda sad you had to call in the Admins.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Didn't alert and wasn't on the jury.
Not sure why you always blame me when that hide proves there are at least 8 other DUers tired of your nonsense.
I like to be upfront with you.
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rhett o rick This message was self-deleted by its author.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Sad to see you've apparently learned nothing from your 7-0 hide.
I guess self reflection is not your strong suit.
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rhett o rick This message was self-deleted by its author.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Sure.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Go find someone else to ridicule.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Me and apparently other DUers are in cahoots with the administration to silence you?
It was amusing!
TexasTowelie
(111,906 posts)1-800-SKINNER.
I heard that he shares the same office space as 1-800-HILLARY.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)1-800-OLIGARCHY?
TexasTowelie
(111,906 posts)TPTB
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)assigned to be my "friend"? Also curious, do guys ever discuss issues? Rhetorical.
AmBlue
(3,103 posts)I do not agree with this... And I'd be willing to bet Bernie wouldn't either.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Robert Byrd may have made mistakes early on, but he clearly came around on race during his career and was a great senator in other ways, such as leading the fight against the Iraq War.
BTW, a lot of Democrats opposed Clarence Thomas. I certainly would have!
blm
(113,005 posts)because he was black.
See, it fits into their other narrative that it is the Dem party that is racist, not the GOP.
brooklynite
(94,302 posts)Former Reagan Republican?
Pleas help; I'm trying to follow along.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Then again, that's par for the course on this board.
still_one
(92,060 posts)One has to wonder if that was Hillary what some here would say?
I think Helen Stickler describes exactly how it works:
Bernie: I think America should get a pony.
Hillary: How will you pay for the pony? Where will the pony come from? How will you getCongress to agree to the pony?
Bernie: Hillary thinks America doesn't deserve a pony
Hillary: Actually, I love ponies
Bernie Supporters: She changed her position on ponies! #WhichHillary #WitchHillary
Headline: HILLARY REFUSES TO GIVE EVERY AMERICAN A PONY
Debate Moderator: Hillary, how do you feel when people say you lie about ponies?
US Uncut Headline: Congressional Inquiry into Clinton's pony Lies
Twitter trending: #ponygate
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... One. Step. Too. Far.
And then everyone suddenly realizes what the agenda was all along.
Looks like you just took that one step ...
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Not only his racist past, but also his fateful vote for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.
That's why, unlike Hillary Clinton, he spoke out passionately and repeatedly against the Iraq War Resolution.