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Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:57 AM

Hillary elaborates: "I’ve heard from countless people who were...hurt & disappointed by what I said

Ruby Cramer ‏@rubycramer 5h5 hours ago Youngstown, OH
"To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS." -- Hillary Clinton https://medium.com/@HillaryClinton/on-the-fight-against-hiv-and-aids-and-on-the-people-who-really-started-the-conversation-7b9fc00e6ed8#.l357nm8jd …


Hillary on the fight against HIV and AIDS—and on the people who really started the conversation.

Yesterday, at Nancy Reagan’s funeral, I said something inaccurate when speaking about the Reagans’ record on HIV and AIDS. Since then, I’ve heard from countless people who were devastated by the loss of friends and loved ones, and hurt and disappointed by what I said. As someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand why. I made a mistake, plain and simple.

I want to use this opportunity to talk not only about where we’ve come from, but where we must go in the fight against HIV and AIDS.

To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS. That distinction belongs to generations of brave lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, along with straight allies, who started not just a conversation but a movement that continues to this day.

The AIDS crisis in America began as a quiet, deadly epidemic. Because of discrimination and disregard, it remained that way for far too long. When many in positions of power turned a blind eye, it was groups like ACT UP, Gay Men’s Health Crisis and others that came forward to shatter the silence — because as they reminded us again and again, Silence = Death. They organized and marched, held die-ins on the steps of city halls and vigils in the streets. They fought alongside a few courageous voices in Washington, like U.S. Representative Henry Waxman, who spoke out from the floor of Congress.

Then there were all the people whose names we don’t often hear today — the unsung heroes who fought on the front lines of the crisis, from hospital wards and bedsides, some with their last breath. Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts.

If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage — and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo — saved lives.

We’ve come a long way. But we still have work to do to eradicate this disease for good and to erase the stigma that is an echo of a shameful and painful period in our country’s history.

This issue matters to me deeply. And I’ve always tried to do my part in the fight against this disease, and the stigma and pain that accompanies it. At the 1992 Democratic National Convention, when my husband accepted the nomination for president, we marked a break with the past by having two HIV-positive speakers — the first time that ever happened at a national convention. As First Lady, I brought together world leaders to strategize and coordinate efforts to take on HIV and AIDS around the world. In the Senate, I put forward legislation to expand global AIDS research and assistance and to increase prevention and education, and I proudly voted for the creation of PEPFAR and to defend and protect the Ryan White Act. And as secretary of state, I launched a campaign to usher in an AIDS-free generation through prevention and treatment, targeting the populations at greatest risk of contracting HIV.

The AIDS crisis looks very different today. There are more options for treatment and prevention than ever before. More people with HIV are leading full and happy lives. But HIV and AIDS are still with us. They continue to disproportionately impact communities of color, transgender people, young people and gay and bisexual men. There are still 1.2 million people living with HIV in the United States today, with about 50,000 people newly diagnosed each year. In Sub-Saharan Africa, almost 60 percent of people with HIV are women and girls. Even though the tools exist to end this epidemic once and for all, there are still far too many people dying today.

That is absolutely inexcusable.

I believe there’s even more we can — and must — do together. For starters, let’s continue to increase HIV and AIDS research and invest in the promising innovations that research is producing. Medications like PrEP are proving effective in preventing HIV infection; we should expand access to that drug for everyone, including at-risk populations. We should call on Republican governors to put people’s health and well-being ahead of politics and extend Medicaid, which would provide health care to those with HIV and AIDS.

We should call on states to reform outdated and stigmatizing HIV criminalization laws. We should increase global funding for HIV and AIDS prevention and treatment. And we should cap out-of-pocket expenses and drug costs—and hold companies like Turing and Valeant accountable when they attempt to gouge patients by jacking up the price of lifesaving medications.

We’re still surrounded by memories of loved ones lost and lives cut short. But we’re also surrounded by survivors who are fighting harder than ever. We owe it to them and to future generations to continue that fight together. For the first time, an AIDS-free generation is in sight. As president, I promise you that I will not let up until we reach that goal. We will not leave anyone behind.


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Reply Hillary elaborates: "I’ve heard from countless people who were...hurt & disappointed by what I said (Original post)
bigtree Mar 2016 OP
revbones Mar 2016 #1
joshcryer Mar 2016 #2
JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #3
joshcryer Mar 2016 #5
JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #6
joshcryer Mar 2016 #8
joshcryer Mar 2016 #30
riversedge Mar 2016 #84
JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #85
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #37
Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #16
sammythecat Mar 2016 #69
Cosmocat Mar 2016 #51
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Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #17
Onlooker Mar 2016 #18
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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:00 AM

1. "I'll get it right, eventually."

 

Or better yet, "I'm whoever you want me to be..."

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:01 AM

2. Wow, she did it. I said her apology wasn't enough.

Of all the faux scandals this one was the one that I felt was a big deal.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:10 AM

3. She still has only apologized for "misspeaking", not inventing whole-cloth the basis for her praise

There is essentially only one sentence in the entire Medium post that is relevant:

To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS.


The rest could be quickly assimilated from Wikipedia articles or public positions of various LGBTQ organizations.

I mean, her original remarks were well-formed praises of the Reagans in this area. How can she claim that is "misspeaking"? Nowhere has she explained why she said such a manifestly false account of the entire AIDS crisis. Until she does so any claimed "apology" simply rings hollow.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:17 AM

5. Eh, it's easy to keep moving the goalposts.

I said she needed to come out and talk about the crisis and explain that the Regans didn't do squat. I think she did that. And I'm surprised because I didn't think she would.

I think she clearly made up the AIDS story because she just assumed the Regans would've done it. I think it shows she was more out of touch with the LGBT community and with the history than it shows her making something up.

You would think that a President and especially the First Lady would be working on a health care epidemic that was affecting the citizens so badly. This is a perfectly normal inference or assumption to make in your head if you're as out of touch as Clinton apparently was.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:27 AM

6. I haven't moved any goalposts. As it stands, that excerpt I pasted is the only sentence of relevance

of her entire post. It is the only place she says that "the Reagans didn't do squat", and she didn't even really do that. She hasn't met your goalposts either.

What she should have done is excoriated the Reagans for their anti-LGBT agenda (for fox sake, the Reagan administration joked about the AIDS crisis on camera), said that the 1980s AIDS crisis is a black mark against America because of how our leaders treated our own, as well as a statement of resolve of how we must never let otherness drive us apart and neglect our basic responsibilities to fellow humans. She should have been honest and forthright about the reasons for her mistake (still unexplained, by a candidate for president), not simply label what she said "inaccurate".

Now that's a Medium post and apology I could get behind. This is worse than weak tea, it is insults my intelligence that she thinks it is an apology of any kind. Because it simply is not.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:34 AM

8. Yeah, that's not happening.

I never expected her to say "Oh, I just assumed and made it up on the fly because I couldn't think of anything actually nice to say."

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:41 AM

30. You know what, I had a change of heart, you're right.

Bill Clinton's administration made great strides on the HIV epidemic after nothing was done under Regan and GHB did little. She needs to completely repudiate their inaction and champion Bill's efforts and make a more forceful apology on this.

I still don't see it happening, and I stand by that. But she should do it. There's nothing to lose there even if people try to parlay it into her being dishonest. A moment of honest clarity makes any past words moot.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:15 PM

84. This tweet is for you--- Come over 2 #LoveandKindness



Come over 2 #LoveandKindness #LoveTrumpsHate #SheswithUs Check out #MothersoftheMovement

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Response to riversedge (Reply #84)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:20 PM

85. Did you read my post?

And, do you think that that is a response to the substance of my post?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:45 AM

37. Assumed the Reagans would have done? How? These words were spoken at DCN 92 prime time by

 

Bob Hattoy in a speech praising and pinning hopes on Bill as nominee:

"AIDS is a disease of the Reagan-Bush years. The first case was detected in 1981, but it took 40,000 deaths and seven years for Ronald Reagan to say the word "AIDS." It's five years later, 70,000 more dead and George Bush doesn't talk about AIDS, much less do anything about it."

At that same convention, which nominated Bill Clinton, Elizabeth Glaser gave a powerhouse speech "my daughter did not survive the Reagan Administration'. This is a famous speech:



Those were things Democrats knew in 92.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:10 AM

16. Exactly, this is a wonderful statement written by a staffer

with just a single sentence about her lie.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:53 PM

69. Just like if I sucker-punched a stranger

then gushed how sorry I was and how it must hurt, and how one time it happened to me and made me angry too, so I completely understand how mad and hurt you must be. I'll never, ever, do that again, blah, blah, OK? Friends? All the while, the stranger just wants to know "WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DO THAT!?"

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:43 AM

51. I don't get

how she put herself into the mess in the first place.

No reason to go all bubbly over Mrs Reagen in the first place, say the usual generic things and leave it at that.

Past that, she was there, she knows they were POS about it AND she knows how contentious it with within the GBLT community with them being the asshats they were about it.

Making thoughtless mistakes is bad enough, but this one is mystifying.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:05 AM

56. "Faux Scandals"

Kind of screams where you're at.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:21 PM

80. Reasonable?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #80)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:46 PM

82. Pretty much.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:14 AM

4. Too little and far too late. But thank you dear, still the same.

And oh by the way, bless your heart.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:38 AM

36. Bless her little heart....

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Response to peacebird (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:42 AM

61. bless her very little heart

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:32 AM

7. KNR

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:44 AM

9. Hillary "lost friends and loved ones to AIDS"?

Wow, I can just picture her staff working frantically on this "correction."

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:42 AM

11. She lost no one to AIDS

To HIV perhaps she could have. I doubt it though. She doesn't know the basic facts about our history. She is not to be trusted with protecting it.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:32 AM

45. Exaggeration after lies - wonderful

Which loved ones did she lose?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:36 AM

46. Me too!!!! Oh Me too!!!!

 

that's classic Hillary. Nobody has suffered more than she has from whatever subject is at hand.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:23 PM

78. She dodged sniper fire on her way to visit her friend with AIDS. Nt

 

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:32 PM

88. First rule when digging a hole. STOP

 

that one was like WTF over?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:45 AM

10. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, HILLARY !!!

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:55 PM

64. Yep. And this one is leaving a mark. (n/t)

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:44 AM

12. Hillary Newsflash = The Reagans Were Horrible People

Who's words, actions, and policies hurt millions, and are still damaging America today.

30 seconds on the Google is all you need.

Ignoring AIDS was only one of the many horrible things 'ol Ronnie did.

Nancy helped Ronnie do this damage.

I would have avoided her funeral at all costs if I was running for President.

One might say something silly and offend some reality based Americans.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:03 AM

13. So in other words she misspoke in her first apology? Is this what this is?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:04 AM

14. So, who are those lost friends and loved ones?

I call absolute bullshit.

If you had friends and loved ones lost due to HIV/AIDS, you actually know the fucking story and how it all played out.

This was a well written speech by a staffer, I'll give her that, but that's all it is. A fluff piece apology without one single word of truth.

So Hillary, please talk about those actual people that were friends and family that you lost and care about. I'm sure you supported them during their crisis and their remaining family will be happy to come out and speak for you and all you did to help them.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:06 AM

15. why don't you ask everyone to reveal their pain for you to judge?

...not just Hillary.

Line folks up to answer to your petty politics.

Who the...

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Response to bigtree (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:12 AM

17. Really?

You believe this bullshit?

You don't go from Nancy fought against HIV to I had friends that I lost and Nancy wasn't a help in 2 days.

Seriously, this is spin and nothing but.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:15 AM

18. Yes, it would be great if she exploited the deceased to defend herself

 

I gather you weren't around during that period, but I think anyone who was connected to the gay community -- and the Clintons were (that's why the Human Rights Campaign endorsed Hillary) -- knew people who died of AIDS. Of course, she's not going to make a list of names unless it's necessary, and then she would only do so by discussing it with those people.

At any rate, your comment led me to find this interesting article. There is a reason that the Clintons have a lot of support among the gay community, you know.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/10/us/president-finds-a-way-to-fight-mandate-to-oust-hiv-troops.html

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:21 AM

19. Give me a fucking break

If Hillary had family and friends that suffered HIV/AIDS she never would have made a statement about how Nancy helped them.

Never.

The 80's were a very dark fucking time for the LGBT community and Nancy was no friend. In fact she was an enemy. I'm well aware.

Hillary didn't misspeak, she made a statement to garner votes and it backfired. Today a very intelligent staffer wrote a wonderful piece to try and bail her out.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:35 AM

20. Some of my best friends had AIDS

 

I don't agree that Hillary should exploit the deceased in the way you're suggesting, but perhaps you also think Bernie should put out a list of names of friends he's had who died of AIDS.

Actually, I think Hillary was simply regurgitating the remarks that the Reagan's liberal son had made on PBS, about his mother being a quiet force in the Reagan administration. (She may have been quiet, but she certainly wasn't a force given that it took 7 years before Reagan did anything.)

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11208192/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids

But, regardless, there are gay groups around the country who back Hillary, and there are reasons for this.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2013/oct/15/hillary-clinton-honored-for-her-work-on-hivaids/

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:43 AM

22. Exploiting.

No, I'm not asking Hillary to do any such thing.

If Hillary has truly had friends and family that suffered from HIV/AIDS through the 80's then she knows for an absolute fact the lack of help and outright war the Reagan's were toward HIV and the LGBT community.

The fact is that she doesn't have anyone to exploit. She doesn't know anyone on a personal level that suffers or suffered and passed that she gave even a moments thought about. If she had, she never would have made that statement about Nancy and her support.

This is a bullshit fluff piece written by someone on the payroll.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:04 AM

23. No, her comments were the same sort of fluff that Sanders said about Nancy, but Hillary's were worse

 

In Sanders official statement, he calls her an exemplary first lady (doesn't acknowledge her obsession with decorating the White House, her destructive Just Say No anti-drug campaign, or her belief in astrology), says she served our country well, that she had a good heart, and that she will be dearly missed. Like Hillary, he apparently doesn't remember the harm Nancy Reagan did. Hillary's comments abut Nancy were wrong, but frankly they were mostly wrong because of what Ronnie did. Nancy was never the enemy. She was irrelevant.

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:26 AM

25. Wait

You're calling basic dearly missed, had a good heart (I'm being kind to the departed) etc statements the same as fought against HIV statements?

Really?

You can't spin this.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:33 AM

28. No, the better comparison is to Bernie's ghetto remark

 

Bernie's ghetto remark was as stupid as Hillary's Nancy Reagan remark, though some Bernie supporters are spinning his ghetto remark by editing it. At least Hillary gave a clear and full apology for her remarks. Bernie has simply been trying to rationalize his ghetto remarks, which were clearly a Freudian slip on his part.

But, my point was that Bernie's praise for Nancy included some crap too, though of course you did not include those in your response to me, but so nice little spin on your part.

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:41 AM

31. Ah, the real Hillary supporter comes out

Deflection. That evil Bernie said something, so I'll ignore the thread line and just try to change the subject.

No, Hillary said Nancy fought against HIV/AIDS, then Hillary said she misspoke, now Hillary is claiming she had friends and family that suffered and died from HIV/AIDS.

Let's stick to this thread, we're not talking about Bernie, we're discussing Clinton and her statements over the weekend. There are threads about Bernie and his statements you can discuss elsewhere.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:11 PM

83. I agree with you-- that is not a mistake you could make if you actually had loved ones who

 

suffered from AIDS in the 80's. It would be like thanking GW Bush for his efforts to prevent the invasion of Iraq, and saying you really feel it because you had family that died in the invasion.

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:11 AM

24. I think you're right that she was repeating Ron Reagan's remarks

. .. uncritically, and she should have known better - these remarks were the worst, and most bizarre, "misstatement" she's made in her campaign so far.
And it's also the most puzzling. Your post comes the closest to an explanation for how she could possibly have come to such a bizarre conclusion

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Response to MBS (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:32 AM

27. No, it does not.

If you had friends and family that suffered and endured HIV/AIDS during the Reagan admin you never thought of them as people that fought for your friends or family.

This new statement doesn't clarify a damn thing, it is simply a fluff piece written by a paid staffer.

Hillary would have never made this statement of praise if she actually had friends and family suffer under the Reagan admin. I wouldn't expect her to denounce Nancy or the Reagan's, but she certainly wouldn't praise them if this were in any way true.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:28 AM

32. Be real

 

How could she not have friends who were HIV positive? The Clinton White House was far and away the most pro-gay White House in history until that point. Hillary often met with gay groups and spoke before gay groups. Hillary was a Senator from New York and lives in New York. The Clinton foundation is heavily involved in AIDS treatment. To me the only explanation for Hillary's comment is Reagan's liberal son's recent claim on PBS that his mother was quietly involved in advocating for AIDS in the Reagan White House. My guess is Hillary saw that program. Not everything politicians do is scripted, but the fact is Hillary would not have so much support in the gay community if she did not have a pretty good history of supporting the gay community. I'm not so sure that gays and straights remember the Reagans awful record on HIV/AIDS in the same way. To me, the important thing was that Hillary apologized. Don't hold Bernie to the same standard that you're holding Hillary, because Bernie never apologized for his racist and ignorant comment about blacks, whites, and ghettos. Maybe he needs a paid staffer to help him there?

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:10 AM

42. Hillary praised Ron and Nancy on their AIDS advocacy, when what they did was the opposite.

 

The hindered all progress and cost the lives of thousands and thousands, we lost 7 entire years in the fight. Do you understand that over 100,000 people a month are still dying from HIV/AIDS? I don't think you do.

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:53 AM

38. But how is it you don't know about all the projects in which people say and show the names of our

 

lost loved ones. Have you heard of the AIDS Quilt? Most people have? It is a vast object made up of names of those who died.
The actual name of the AIDS Quilt? The Names Project. At the link you will see the panel for Rock Hudson, who was refused assistance by his 'friends' the Reagans.
http://www.aidsquilt.org/

The set for Larry Kramer's 'The Normal Heart' when it was new and life saving theater was bear walls with the names of the dead listed all over with new ones painted on each day.


Where do you get these ideas? Baptist Church?


Say their names. Remember their lives. Do not erase them with a storm front of bullshit meant to prop up the wicked Ron and Nancy.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:52 AM

48. Are you sure about that?

That she wouldn't have made her comments if she had friends who died of AIDS?

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:53 PM

74. Absolutely

Because she would have known the truth. She wouldn't have made a statement she had to walk back hours later.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:42 AM

21. The New Yorker: HRC's correction to AIDS comment also misguided

The announcement in the OP was her frantic do-over after screwing up her first, inadequate "non-apology" and being quickly called out on it by the likes of The New Yorker (see below).

And her statement "I've heard from countless people . . ."? That translates to her staff "heard from" i.e., read, countless on line critical, hurt and furious comments around the web and/or emails sent to the campaign, and one brave soul reported to Huma who passed the info along to HRC.

Who here can possibly imagine Hillary replying, "Oh I must actually read all these comments myself - pull them up on my computer and I'll spend hours reading angry, hurt and hostile comments about me." This latest Epistle is a perfect example of the Clinton Foundation's Disaster Capitalism profiteering adapted to Clinton Campaign Disaster Control. I hope some intrepid writer working on the Clinton campaign is keeping contemporaneous notes of the inside machinations of the campaign. History demands it, and it would be a guaranteed best-seller. Another suggestion to Hillary staffers: apply to be a consultant to the Emmy/Golden Globe award winning series, VEEP - because her adventures in campaigning are in the "you can't make this stuff up" realm.

Her latest apology reeks with the inappropriate use of the word "we" - like she was the Queen of England or the Pope. Outrageous that this woman (and the word "we" must include Bill since she is taking credit for stuff happening in his administration) who promoted Don't Ask Don't Tell and spoke out aggressively against gay marriage, now acts as if those policies were not all of a piece with ostracizing gays and their struggle against AIDS.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-and-aids
Clinton’s comments caused an outcry and she apologized rapidly, writing, in a statement issued on Twitter, “While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer’s disease, I misspoke about their record on H.I.V. and AIDS. For that, I’m sorry.” She deserves recognition for that. But her correction, while not nearly as offensive as her earlier comments, was also misguided.

In the nineteen-eighties, I covered the AIDS epidemic and the stem-cell wars for the Washington Post. I do not recall any occasion on which Ronald Reagan said or did anything that could be considered as “strong” advocacy for stem-cell research. One son, Ron, Jr., was in favor of the research and said so at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, the year his father died. That same year, Michael, Reagan’s other son, made a statement about that issue to anti-abortion-rights publications, which nobody ever contradicted: “The media continues to report that the Reagan ‘family’ is in favor of stem cell research, when the truth is that two members of the family have been long time foes of this process of manufacturing human beings—my dad, Ronald Reagan during his lifetime, and I.”

The idea that Ronald Reagan finally did focus on AIDS, if only belatedly, is also a fiction. Reagan was outraged in 1986, when his Surgeon General, C. Everett Koop, one of the great heroes of the AIDS epidemic, issued a report that, as I wrote when Koop died, recommended a program of compulsory sex education in schools and argued that, by the time they reached third grade, children should be taught how to use condoms.

In the end, as Clinton wrote, Nancy Reagan was indeed “strong” on stem-cell research and on Alzheimer’s disease. Her conversion came when her husband plunged into the darkness of the disease. She was desperate, and would have done anything for him. It was a deeply admirable stance, and rare in her conservative world. Millions of other people, however, would surely have benefitted from that kind of support—had she offered it when her husband was capable of doing something to help alleviate so much suffering
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Response to Divernan (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:02 AM

55. Thank you so much for the levity of your remarkls about the Clinton staffer going through those

 

comments and keeping contemporaneous notes. That was awesome.

Completely agree with all you wrote and quoted here.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:49 PM

63. "Her conversion came when her husband plunged into the darkness of the disease."

That's my recollection as well. Same with Ronald and Michael being opposed to stem-cell research. So Hillary even got that part wrong. Wonder which staffers' heads are rolling for this...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #63)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:24 PM

87. Yeah, I don't think that kind of advocacy is at all 'rare in the Conservative world'.

 

Their moral convictions are unshakable, so long as they themselves don't have to suffer for those convictions. The instant they're personally affected, their 'convictions' crumble. I have zero respect for that sort of conversion. It's self-serving hypocrisy and certainly nothing to crow about.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:29 AM

26. "This issue matters to me deeply."

 

Yeah.

Clearly.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:09 PM

66. Of course it does..

.. any matter that is making her lose votes this fast matters deeply to her. She is sorry that her statement had the reaction it did & that is it. If she really cared about the HIV/AIDS crisis and those that were tragically affected by it she wouldn't have said what she did in a PREPARED STATEMENT. This wasn't some off the cuff remark she made on the street... and that is what is disturbing. Someone either wrote the HIV/AIDS statement for her and she didn't realize how awful it was and didn't take it out or she wrote it herself.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:37 AM

29. A lot of people died during the 80s. I lost several people I knew and

a couple of friends. It was a horrible time for the LGBT community. It is good Clinton apologized, however it disgusts me that she said what she said in the first place because it seems to me she will say or do anything to be elected.

And, that just ISN'T a good enough reason for me to vote for her.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:59 AM

33. She 'misspoke'. The story of her career in public speaking.

In order to 'correct the record', don't you need a record? Spinning is not a stance. Does she take a strong stand on any issue besides Hillary Clinton? I wonder if she even knows who she is anymore.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:07 AM

34. Bless your heart (nt)

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:34 AM

35. DU's Gay Baiter in Cheif posting more baited hooks.

 

You are a hypocrite who uses double standards. Your candidate is an insulting selfish and reckless speaker.
She stepped in it, then you did, and all of her cohort on DU.

You are now fully visible.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:57 AM

39. Laughable.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:01 AM

40. Video links to two full speeches from Democratic Convention 92, Elizabeth Glaser and Bob Hattoy

 

each give moving speeches which detail Reagan's inaction, negligence and put full blame upon him and George HW Bush. Hillary would have heard these speeches. Both are well known both were in prime time and televised. Both are very favorable to Bill Clinton and extremely harsh to Ronald Reagan.

"AIDS is a disease of the Reagan-Bush years. The first case was detected in 1981, but it took 40,000 deaths and seven years for Ronald Reagan to say the word "AIDS." It's five years later, 70,000 more dead and George Bush doesn't talk about AIDS, much less do anything about it."- Bob Hattoy

People should watch them. The OP will not, I'm sure....
Glaser



Hattoy:

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:07 AM

41. Adding the New York Times obituaries for Bob Hattoy and for Elizabeth Glaser

 

"Bob Hattoy, who drew wide attention with a nationally televised speech about AIDS at the 1992 Democratic National Convention and then became a forceful advocate for gay and lesbian issues in the Clinton White House, died on Sunday in Sacramento. He was 56.

The cause was complications of AIDS, said Adrianna Shea, special assistant at the California Fish and Game Commission, where Mr. Hattoy was the newly appointed president.

“President Clinton learned a valuable lesson when he appointed Bob Hattoy to work in the White House: Never hire a dying man; he has nothing to lose,” Richard L. Berke wrote in The New York Times Magazine in 1993. Mr. Hattoy himself joked that he had gotten the job only because everyone thought he would die in no time."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/obituaries/06hattoy.html


"Elizabeth Glaser, who waged a tireless campaign to draw attention to pediatric AIDS after she unknowingly passed the disease on to her daughter and son, died yesterday at her home in Santa Monica, Calif. She was 47.

The cause was complications from AIDS, said Josh Baran, a spokesman for the family.

Mrs. Glaser, the wife of Paul Michael Glaser, a director and actor who starred in the "Starsky and Hutch" television series, was one of several public figures to bring AIDS to the forefront of the 1992 Presidential campaign. She had contracted H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS, through a blood transfusion in 1981."
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/04/obituaries/elizabeth-glaser-dies-at-47-crusader-for-pediatric-aids.html




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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:14 AM

43. Outside the WH in October of 1992: The Ashes Action

 

BRING YOUR GRIEF AND RAGE ABOUT AIDS TO A
POLITICAL
FUNERAL
in Washington D.C. Sunday October 11, 1992 at 1:00 P.M.
You
have lost
someone to
AIDS.
For more than a decade,
your government has mocked your
loss. You have spoken out in anger, joined
political protests, carried fake coffins and mock
tombstones, and splattered red paint to represent
someone's HIV-positive blood, perhaps
your own. George Bush believes that
the White House gates shield him,
from you, your loss, and his responsibility
for the AIDS crisis. Now it is time to
bring AIDS home to George Bush.
On October 11th, we will carry
the actual ashes of people
we love in funeral
procession to
the White House.
In an act of grief and
rage and love, we
will deposit their
ashes on the
White House
lawn.

Join
us to
protest
twelve years
of genocidal
AIDS policy.
http://www.actupny.org/diva/synAshes.html

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:26 AM

44. That's not an apology, it's a stump speech

 

with a little "oopsie" thrown in to disown her lie about the monsters of the AIDS epidemic.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #44)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:18 AM

58. ^^^This^^^ n/t

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #44)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:02 PM

75. good one!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:47 AM

47. Hillary, please. This is a DECADE of history.

Not some one-off event.

You can't possibly get this wrong if it's something you care about.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:22 AM

49. As brother West would say

This is lip service!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:29 AM

50. That was well said

I'm glad she made a more complete apology, it was needed.

At the same time, I've just lost so much respect for those people who can't accept this. It's pretty disgusting when people are so filled with hate that they just keep moving the goalposts.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #50)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:43 AM

52. It's not hate

She spit on people we love. An oopsy doesn't cover that.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:47 AM

53. Please proceed

Indeed, tell me it's not hatred but that we can never accept an apology, that we are unforgiving, rigid, mean-spirited, unhappy, miserable. I mean who wouldn't want to align themselves with such noble people?

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #53)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:49 AM

54. She hasn't apologized.

She issued a statement. It was hollow. It's been pointed out in this very thread why it was so hollow. I will tell you this it was so hollow I laughed at the statement. My reaction if it had been a real apology would have been different.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:13 AM

57. This is nothing but pandering.

The majority of the text is Hillary dazzling us with how much history she can recall, or rather - what her team carefully crafted for her.

If Hillary knew all this and lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, she never would have "misspoke" in the first place.

Those things just don't mix.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #57)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:19 PM

67. Exactly

Someone who lived through that era and knew people affected by HIV/AIDS simply does not misspeak in prepared remarks that she knows will be broadcast nation wide. If she was speaking off the cuff with some reporter during and ambush question MAYBE I could buy that she misspoke. But I simply cannot believe she misspoke.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:22 AM

59. I lost one of my dearest friends to AIDS.

and have other friends who are HIV positive.

And I remember the Reagan years, and the bigoted way the Reagan/Bush administration dealt with the crisis.

One lesser known aspect of the epidemic was what it did to the community of people with hemophilia. The pharmaceutical companies knew early on that blood factor--the clotting agent extracted from whole blood that people with hemophilia take to control their disease--was potentially contaminated, but rather than warn the public and work to solve the problem, the industry hid the truth and the Reagan/Bush FDA was complicit in that deception. As a result, fully one quarter of people with hemophilia in the US died in what is known in the disability rights movement as "the Hemophilia Holocaust." Not only did people with hemophilia get infected, but because they were unaware of the danger some of them also unknowingly infected their spouses and lovers.

All of this could have been averted if the Reagan administration hadn't been filled with homophobic bigots.

A good book on this is "Dying in Vein: Blood, Deception...Justice" by Kathy Seward MacKay and Stacy Milbouer.

God only knows what Hillary was thinking when she made that comment about Nancy Reagan, but it's par for the course for how revisionists have distorted and outright falsified the history of the Reagan years. Those of us who lived through it know what a disaster Reagan was for this country. You'd think the supposed leader of the Democratic Party would know better than to pander to that revisionist bullshit.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #59)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:32 PM

73. That happened to my uncle

But, because he had so many transfusions we don't know if Reagan's silence killed him or if he got it when the problem wasn't known yet. Even so we do know some got it after the problem was known.

And it gets worse...

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1999/may/15/tainted-plasma-traced-to-arkansas-prison-bill-clintons-blood-trails/

If this is what we can expect from our allies....

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #73)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:19 PM

77. I'm sorry to hear about your uncle.

My deepest sympathy.

This whole discussion brought it all up for me again. Add to that the sickening tribute to the Reagans in the new issue of Time. It's like we lived in an entirely different reality from what the mainstream wants us to remember.

Best wishes.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:25 PM

79. I am sure it's brought back a lot of pain for a lot of people.

658,507 people in the US alone have died from AIDS. Every single one of them had people who loved them. My uncle was survived by my aunt and three children and a very large extended family. This will come up in conversations. I still don't know how I am going to handle it.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:24 AM

60. What a horrific gaffe for someone who should have known better.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:33 PM

68. It was a deliberate statement, not a gaffe. She pandered to Reagan Democrats.

She had to know that the MoveOn crowd, the ones who opposed Republican-led impeachment efforts of her husband, wouldn't fall for it. The same MoveOn crowd now endorsing Bernie. The same Sanders supporters who her philandering husband slammed recently as being like the left-wing tea party that shouldn't be "rewarded." I'm so fucking sick of the Clintons.

The internet is unforgiving, Hillary, and WILL set the record straight.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:20 PM

62. So If She Knows All This

Why did she say what she said? Her comments were the opposite of the truth. Why did she say them?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:58 PM

65. So the question boils down to, why does she make shit up?

Quick . . . duck . . . incoming!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:59 PM

70. So much wrong with this statement:

 

To begin with: the me-too tone. "I lost friends too" - yeah but you still looked at gay people as inherently inferior to yourself until 2013, Hillary. "I lost friends too" gave you as much insight into the plight of the LGBT community as George W. Bush had when, as a Texas politician, he assured a gay assemblyman that "I have gay friends too, so this is nothing against you personally".

No denouncing of the Reagan's role in the AIDS dialogue ("just let those queers die out", only the admission that "they don't deserve the distinction of having started the conversation". They were just a few of "MANY in power who turned a blind eye". Hey, anyone did it right? (Were you, Little Mrs Me-Too? If so, how about a full admission that you were wrong at the time, and explain what - belatedly - made you change your outdated views?)

We "continue a fight together" - by shifting attetion away from the way the LGBT community was effected (which the Clintons did very little to help) to Sub-Saharan Africa (where there are way more infected heteros and way more homophobes, so of course the Clintons are helping).

"This issue matters to me deeply" - hence my praise for the bitch who wanted to let the gay cancer work its genocidal magic. It's a mistake any true ally of the LGBT community could have made, right? I'm sure Bernie made some mistake too. Please someone try to be hurt by something Bernie actually said!

"If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage — and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo — saved lives." - So please vote for me: the status quo candidate par excellence! Let me be silent while you do the talking and the work.

"Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts." - Except for me me me, because I was busy pandering to Reagan Democrats or whatever those aging DINO homophobes are called these days.

"Silence = Death" - I know that, which is why I acted as a hagiographer for the woman who deadpanned the conversation AIDS victims were desperate to start.


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Mrs Clinton, if I may give you some well-meant advice:

This stupid and over-the-top hurtful offense of yours has ripped open all the old wounds. DOMA DADT, "marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman", the whole record of vile bile you have campaigned on until 2013.

Halfheartedly admitting that the Reagan's do not deserve the distinction of starting the conversation on AIDS is hardly going to cut it, nor the "I have gay friends too / lost someone too".

If you want to reassure the LGBT community, you must understand that reputations come by foot, leave by horse, and return on their knees.

What little reputation you had ( "she will get things done" sped away on a derby-winning stallion yesterday. (Or was it a unicorn? Anyway, it's miles over the horizon now, and still accellerating. Because all those old wounds were ripped open too, you see?

If you care to win back your reputation, instead of taking gay votes for granted or writing them off like the millennials, consider this:

Make a speach with the core message: "I was wrong. Now I know better."
Make a speach where you denounce DADT as utterly wrong. Say how you have learned better.
Make a speach where you denounce DOMA. Just say Bill was wrong to sign it and wrong to campaign on it. He threw the gays under the bus; you must throw him under the bus. Gently, if you want to, but you must denounce his 1996 actions. Then you must say how wrong you were to support him in those actions, and what made you see the error of your ways.
Move on to marriage equality. Say why you were wrong to denounce it as recently as 2010, tell us what was your moment of epiphany, or when the first doubts started emerging in your mind, or whatever the process was that reshaped you bigoted mind into something palatable to the modern voter. You can even weave in some great feel-good story about your joy in 2015 when the gays won th right to marry in all of the USA. I mean, according to your twitter account you were overjoyed, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to remember how momentous that moment was for you personally?

Get that all into one speach. "I was wrong; now I know better."

And then say how dreadfully sorry you were for that offensive remark. Denounce the Reagans. I'm sorry, but you'll have to throw that ugly-hearted gay-hater Nancy under the bus too. Denounce her silence.
And as for yourself, Mrs Clinton: don't just make some noise. Make sense.

Regards,

A very angry Betty.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:00 PM

71. Good work.......

on the behalf of the damage control team.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:00 PM

72. She needs new writers for her CYA attempts.

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:07 PM

76. Hey Hillary: We don't need the history lesson, YOU do. n/t

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:45 PM

81. An elegant and timely apology. Well done. I have alot of respect for her for doing this.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:24 PM

86. It is a bad sign that I could not guess what your OP was about without opening the thread because

there are about a half dozen topics that Hillary should be apologizing about this week alone.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:55 PM

89. enough, with the overblown outrage! lets get back to GDP's normal issue-oriented discussions, like

"Berniebros on twitter; are they performing an important public service by sinking the Sanders campaign? ...or are they a serious enough problem to warrant finally getting rid of the first amendment entirely"?

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