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Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:34 PM

 

What life was like for LGBT Cubans when Bernie Sanders was praising Castro

Allan Brauer ‏@allanbrauer 6m6 minutes ago
This is what life for #LGBT Cubans was like when @BernieSanders was praising Castro. http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/hiding-cuba-crimes-behind-gay-rights-lies-article-1.1098015


On December 7, 1990, Cuban poet and novelist Reinaldo Arenas ended his life. Forced into exile because of his political dissidence, and dying slowly of AIDS, he could no longer withstand the physical and mental torment of the disease. His brief suicide note, expressing contentment for a life well lived, nonetheless conveyed a sense of burning rage. “Persons near me are in no way responsible for my decision,” wrote Arenas, whose life Julian Schnabel portrayed elegiacally in his adaptation of Arenas’ memoir “Before Night Falls.”

“There is only one person I hold accountable: Fidel Castro.”

Like countless other gay Cubans, many of whom were executed or rounded up into concentration camps and worked to death in the name of Socialist revolution, Arenas was persecuted for his sexuality. So one can only imagine how he would react to the recent spectacle at the New York Public Library, in which a roomful of gay activists warmly welcomed a high-ranking representative from that despicable regime.

On May 29, Mariela Castro Espin, the niece of Cuba’s former President Fidel Castro and the daughter of its present leader, Raul, delivered a talk at an event organized by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. Back in Cuba, Castro (who is heterosexual) heads something called the National Center for Sex Education and is a prominent supporter of gay marriage. Asked about the regime’s interment of HIV-positive people, Castro “seemed to talk around the issue,” according to Gay City News. Nonetheless, she received a standing ovation.

In isolation, Castro’s support for gays is laudable. But her campaign for gay rights, such as it is, must be seen within the context of the repression that the Castro regime has inflicted upon the Cuban people for five decades.

The Castro brothers are wise enough to read international political currents; revolutionary machismo isn’t in vogue like it was in the 1960s. They know that a sure way to warm the hearts of progressives is to pledge support for some nebulous concept of “gay rights.” Never mind Cuban gays — like all citizens of Cuba save high-ranking members of the Communist Party — do not enjoy basic liberties like freedom of speech or religion. They cannot join an independent labor union or vote. When it comes to gay life in Cuba, “Not much has changed since Reinaldo Arenas’ time.”

That assessment doesn’t come from “terrorist groups based in Miami” or the “mediocre yellow press,” as Castro recently described her critics in a radio interview. It comes from In These Times, a left-wing American magazine that publishes the likes of Noam Chomsky. Three years ago, it ran a special feature on Cuba, including an in-depth report about homosexuality.

Government harassment of gays is routine, the magazine reported, and while gays may no longer be herded into concentration camps and worked to death, they are still arrested by police simply for their sexual orientation. “Gays are routinely picked up en masse on the streets, beaten, jailed indefinitely,” Herb Sosa of the Miami-based, Hispanic LGBT organization Unity Coalition told In These Times.

In a November 2010 vote at the United Nations, Cuba was the only Latin American country to support the removal of “sexual orientation” from a list, alongside religion, ethnicity and race, of prejudicial motives for murder. When the clause was reinserted after an international outcry and the measure returned for a vote, Cuba abstained...


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bigtree Mar 2016 OP
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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:38 PM

1. There's selective outrage afoot.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:24 AM

102. I'm Gay and won't throw Bernie over the bus for this.

Don't you DARE call me a traitor either.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:41 PM

2. Gay baiting and Red baiting at the same time, a true classic.

 

What a candidate, what a cohort, what a campaign.
Your candidate just praised a monster as a hero and she needs to correct the record.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:09 PM

54. What a load of drivel.

The Daily news is not the "candidate's campaign".

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Response to Beacool (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:16 PM

60. A general comment inclusive of the Nancy Reagan Revisions, the OP's work, your own attitude

 

and that of a few choice others round these parts. The candidate herself said she did not know where Bernie was on health care when they worked together on it. It's an avalanche of bullshit.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:16 AM

110. That is the Clinton campaign as we know it:

 

It was clear from yesterday's comments that the Clinton campaign was desperately looking for something Bernie might sometime have said or done that was even remotely comparable to the offense Clinton had given:

"Which comment is worse? Hillary's or Bernie's?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511475551

"Can't wait until Bernie makes some such mistake next. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1475163

Clinton causes a lot of pain in a community, and her supporters just hope and pray that Sanders may do something remotely comparable so they can say: "See, everybody hurts you! Now you must vote for Clinton again."

How about this alternative: Clinton stops hurting people?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:41 PM

3. Red baiting and gay baiting from the Daily News? How low will you go?

Bernie has always supported lgbt rights, to try to slime him by implying he approved of human rights abuses against lgbt people in Cuba is despicable.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:11 PM

55. Thank you Beam me up scotty

Yes, Sanders has always supported LGBTQ rights ... but, it is another game attempting to slime him while quoting a ridiculous article from an OPINION piece in the NY News

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Response to dr60omg (Reply #55)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:14 PM

57. The op is exploiting lgbt rights by citing that rag and also by editing the title.

All to cover up and defend Hillary's record.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #57)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:16 PM

58. Not to mention.. the author of the piece,

 

one Allan Brauer, has quite a twitter history as well.... such a peachy guy...

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:21 PM

62. Oh do tell, I'll have to check it out and see who and what he brought back here...

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #62)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:23 PM

65. ...

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/calif-dem-slammed-inflammatory-tweet-sen-ted-cruz-aide-article-1.1462716

My mistake.. apparently Mr. Bauer wasn't the author of the Daily News piece.. he tweeted it or something.. still...

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #65)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:29 PM

66. Whoa. He wished her kids dead?

A Twitter debate on policy turned ugly Friday, when a local Democratic official wished the children of a Republican aide to Sen. Ted Cruz would "die from debilitating, painful and incurable diseases" after she praised the House's vote to derail funding for Obamacare.

But Allan Brauer, communications chair of the Democratic Party of Sacramento County, took his criticism to another level, writing a shocking threat aimed at her two children.

"May your children all die from debilitating, painful and incurable diseases," he tweeted from his account, which he says does not represent the view of the organization he works for.


His comment sparked outrage, but he continued to defend his stance in the hours after posting the message, complaining that he was "being attacked."


Nice company the op keeps.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:32 PM

67. Bingo...

 

Now, I'm as much a fan of over-the-top rhetoric as anybody... I have virtually no boundaries when it comes to insulting people who so richly deserve it, but then, I'm not a paid representative (communications chair no fucking less) of the official Democratic fucking Party....

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #67)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:35 PM

68. It's a badge of honour to be bashed by assholes like this.

Not to mention the idiot is a contributor to Spamdan's propaganda blog.


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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:42 PM

4. OP's original title: Hiding Cuba’s crimes behind gay rights lies

Another pathetic Brock OP.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:48 PM

6. the truth hurts

 

...all of this bashing of Hillary for praising Nancy Reagan, and here's the ugly truth behind Sanders' defense of life in Cuba under Castro for the LGBT community there. Where's the criticism for that from supporters?

Not only hypocrisy on Clinton, but hypocrisy on the issue of concern for the interests of LGBTs, and you respond with this Brock line DUers have contrived? No one should take that nonsense seriously.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:55 PM

9. Your strawman is pathetic. You post nothing of substance, there is no truth to what you posted.

Changing the title, changing the premise of what Sanders has already made clear
about Cuba. Stating they are an authoritarian regime wasn't enough, and you
want to forget Obama dropped the bullshit and began normalizing relations.

You know WHY? Because WE, the USA are so fucking behind the times, we
are the only idiots isolating them and to what end? Who did it help? NOT
Cubans.

Save your fucking bullshit smears about Bernie and your concerns
about Cubans.

Your OP's spell one thing over and over again, you're bitter.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:17 PM

21. you folks also 'change titles' to suit your politics here

 

...what a ridiculous criticism.

I'm not 'bitter' in the least about the direction this primary is taking.

Bitter would better describe a backbiting, navel-gazing 'revolution' in the wake of two Obama terms.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:20 PM

24. The irony. n/t

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Response to bigtree (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:16 PM

59. If you would not have quoted an opinion piece from the NY News that lied about Arenas

He committed suicide in NY and his last words were not about Castro and to smear Sanders who has continually been an ally is absurd ....

There are many good things that have come out of Cuba including the medical community the ballet etc etc and then of course you forgot the point and that is that the US should not interfere in nations in this hemisphere ...

BTW we have a larger percentage of our population in prison than Cuba does

Ah that is another point what he means is that the adventures we have had for example in 1972 when the elected President of chile was murdered by the US ... or, all the attempts that we made to kill Castro, or the whole mess we precipitated in Central America ... Nicaragua, Guatemala most recently in 2008 in Honduras

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Response to bigtree (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:09 PM

17. Maybe but the truth has never come close to the Clinton campaign. The hubris of the Big Money

 

will be their downfall. Come and support the People, the 99% and turn your back on the rich and super rich.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:46 PM

5. For all too many years

American liberals for all too many years gave the Castro regime a pass on its repression of LGBT citizens. The fact that that country is now a little less bad for gay people is no excuse.

NOR is blaming America going to work as an excuse, which is another common failing technique of argument.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:51 PM

7. You mean the pass we gave them

as opposed to the death squads we sent to places we gave no pass to??? And of course this pre-supposes our morally superior right to dictate throughout the Americas.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:58 PM

10. When I was young I was more communistic ...

 

... but then I started reading how so many communists cited homosexuality as "proof of capitalist decadence." After that, I left my sympathies for the likes of Mao and Castro, and became more social democratic, placing my trust in countries like Sweden and Norway.

Today, Cuba is not the worst country, but it does lag behind many more progressive places. The definition of marriage being between a man and a woman is enshrined in the Cuban constitution, and Cuba does not have civil unions. But, slowly, since the late 1990s, Cuba has been becoming a more tolerable place for gays.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:00 PM

11. Get back to me when he praises Castro for fighting AIDs in the 80s

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:01 PM

12. Hillary lied and you try to create a faux outrage over a false inference?

Pathetic. You are getting into the realm of moral bankruptcy.

Face it, Hillary screwed up. She made up one more false story. It's who she is. You don't have to sink into the gutter to defend her. Or maybe YOU do.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:11 PM

19. she apologized and reversed her statement, full stop

 

...Sanders and his folks made excuses for his praise of the Cuban dictator and lashed out at anyone criticizing either Castro or Sanders.

The tragedy is that this is considered 'progressive' politics by some here.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:22 PM

26. She said she 'misspoke' but she did not clarify by speaking accurately about the actual

 

horrors of Ron and Nancy's long silence and vast negligence around AIDS. Your characterization of what she said is bullshit on toast and you are exploiting LGBT and red baiting all at once.


In your many posts advocating for Palestine, you have never once mentioned their treatment of LGBT, which is terrible.Why is that? Rules you rush to apply to others that don't apply to you?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:48 PM

88. You want to talk about the ME regimes

Hillary supports? All guilty of human rights violations against women, LGBT and apostates.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14401-hillary-clintons-legacy-as-secretary-of-state

Supporting a 2 state solution in Israel doesn't rise to the level of supporting human rights violations. It's a political solution to a bad situation.

Supporting ME dictators by Hillary is a whole other pandora's box you may not want to open.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:22 AM

93. Not only that

The 'apology' makes no mention at all of what her misstatement was. Anyone who hadn't seen the original comment would have no clue what she had said. That just makes it extra weaselly.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:06 AM

90. Why are you surprised?

Some on this board praise Putin and we know how homophobic he is.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:03 PM

13. Your candidate crusaded against marriage equality and praised Nancy Reagan for her "work" on AIDS:



Your attempt to distract from her record is pathetically desperate.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:03 PM

14. A fundamental misunderstanding of Latin America and Capitalism

 

Read "Open Veins of Latin America" which is required reading in Latin American countries. Then you will understand why Castro is seen as a hero throughout Latin America.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:04 PM

15. Your posts made a lot more sense when you were an O'Malley supporter

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:09 PM

16. It's disappointing to watch...

...someone slide into the mud with their new found candidate, right?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:13 PM

20. that's the problem

 

...in viewing these issues through defenses of politicians; especially in an election.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:19 PM

23. So you honestly think Bernie Sanders loves Cuba's mistreatment of gay people, Bigtree?

 

Ooooor is it just you looking through the lens of your new candidate?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:23 PM

29. that's not written ANYWHERE on this thread

 

...and not worth an answer.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:30 PM

33. Riiiiight. You just re-titled the piece you're linking to by mistake.

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:21 PM

64. A simple mispost.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #64)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:12 PM

74. .



Keep 'em coming.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #64)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:28 PM

80. "Sanders LOVES Cuba's mistreatment." -which words/phrases can you contort to even try and mean that?

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Response to bigtree (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:50 PM

44. When are you willing to come off your high horse and respond to things that you post?

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:21 PM

25. You were pro-O'Malley, now you are clearly anti-Sanders

There is a difference and it's quite noticeable with your posts.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:34 PM

36. we've been at this long enough

 

...and I'm not a fan of how the Sanders campaign has progressed.

Moreover, I'm even more unconvinced of the efficacy or the utility of his candidacy which is premised on, and built around his notion of a political revolution. I don't believe in his run for office. I see a run-of-the-mill politician who's advantaging his political ambition to be president off of the party he's kept at an arm's length and is presently running against.

I'm not only uninspired by this, I'm unconvinced of the benefit of the type of 'anti-establishment' campaign he's running, which, I think, has devolved into a cynical anti-Hillary effort; or anti anyone who supports her.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:05 PM

51. Hillary is the opponent du jour so it certainly would appear that way

I recall in the fairly recent past that Skinner himself had to be talked over a period of a couple of days out of believing a lie about Sanders because he "was distracted".

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:24 PM

76. you are free to operate inside of your own head

 

...a waste in a forum full of others own expressions.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:49 PM

43. I think maybe some O'Malley supporters feel he would have had a shot if Bernie

hadn't sucked all the Clinton-challenger-oxygen out of the room. Therefore they resent Bernie more than Hillary. It's human nature.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #43)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:56 PM

48. I posted my own reasons here

 

...for those who are interested in what an O'Malley supporter has actually written about his impression of the Sanders candidacy and campaign.

I don't see the Sanders' campaign as 'historic' ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511476489

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Response to bigtree (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:00 PM

50. Yup. I stand by my statement, though.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:23 PM

28. Yep.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:22 AM

101. pfft...

You actually believed that?

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #101)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:45 AM

104. Let's say I was skeptical

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:10 PM

18. total b/s and you know it.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:17 PM

22. You very regularly post advocacy for Palestine. Do you know how they treat LGBT in Palestine?

 

You have never mentioned that in your many, many, many posts advancing Palestine. Perhaps there are other issues involved in Palestine, and those are what you are focused on? Is that rationale reserved for your exclusive use?

So as usual, Camp Clinton attacks others for doing what they actually do.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:23 PM

30. Now that is interesting.

I often wonder where such irrational hatred of Bernie comes from.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:31 PM

34. Never mentions LGBT in Palestine, although Bernie can't say Cuba without owning all they do...

 

Obama can open relations with Cuba. Bernie can't say a good word about Cuba.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:37 PM

37. Interesting double standard there.

Has the op ever expressed this much concern for lgbt rights before today?

I would hate to think he's just exploiting lgbt victims to score points on DU.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:47 PM

41. Oh it is a full tilt exploitathon around here.

 

Nancy Panic. Just say no!

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:55 PM

47. No sense of shame, even when confronted by DU's lgbt members.

Just more obfuscation and defense of the indefensible.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:01 PM

72. Same standard should apply for Hillary. BS supporters make her own everything she ever came near

 

even when she didn't vote for a law that BS did. She owns it but Bernie doesn't

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:41 PM

39. Oh and because it is such recent news:

 

Hamas Commander, Accused of Theft and Gay Sex, Is Killed by His Own

By DIAA HADID and MAJD AL WAHEIDI MARCH 1, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/world/middleeast/hamas-commander-mahmoud-ishtiwi-killed-palestine.html?_r=0


The OP regularly advocates for Palestine. Which is good. But Bernie advocated for Cuba. Which was good. Both places were not good for LGBT. Or course when Bernie said this, 1985, was right in the middle of Ron and Nancy's silence on AIDS, so the OP seems to have forgotten that at that time, we were not being treated well in the US either. Hillary also seems to have forgotten this. 1985 Rock Hudson died, Ryan White was kicked out of school and Ron and Nancy said nothing at all. And that's what this is really about. Silent until 1987. And that's what this is about.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:51 PM

45. In 1972 Bernie called for the abolishment of all laws against homosexuality and the op wants us

to believe he was okay with Cuba's human rights violations in 1985?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:13 AM

108. +1. OP, do you care to respond?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:22 PM

27. K & R for exposure. nt

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:25 PM

31. Is that the same Cuba that Obama just reopened relations with?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:39 PM

38. not at the time Sanders was praising life in Cuba under Castro

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:44 PM

40. No bigtree 1985 was deep into Ron and Nancy's Years of Silence on AIDS, so this notion that LGBT

 

were being properly treated in the US is offensive. Just as Hillary's bullshit about Nancy and Ron being AIDS advocates was offensive.
U.S. YEAR-END STATISTICS

15,527 cases of AIDS reported to date
12,529 deaths

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Response to bigtree (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:49 PM

42. I like O'Malley. I think he could have an important role in a Sanders cabinet

because he does nuance and is an incredible policy wonk.

Hillary does not do nuance. She's a scorched earth campaigner. There is quite a lot of analysis and nuance in Bernie's Cuba interview.

It is well worth watching the entire thing before using my community to score a political point. Doing so, makes you no better than so-called Bernie Bros.

As an aside, I would love to hear your answer to Bluenorthest's question RE: Palestine.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:13 PM

56. O'Malley strongly advocated for Palestine.

 

The OP uses different standards. I really dislike that.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:20 PM

61. Apparently, the OP does not know how to take the beam out of his own eye.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:35 PM

69. OP can not manage

 

to respond to actual facts. Another poster has offered Saudi Arabia, from which Clinton has taken money and paid homage and for whom she has arranged ducks into rows. They execute LGBT and flog us and everything else and then there's the women and journalists.

I think the OP should respond. Photos of Hillary with Saudis could be posted easily. Bill too. They murder their LGBT systematically and in public. The OP has no criticisms of the Clinton associations with the Kingdom. None at all. That's all fine.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:29 PM

82. that's a standard Sanders defense

 

...condemn the questioner or critic, claim to be a victim, and deflect onto an entirely different subject.

Not taking the bait.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #82)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:38 PM

86. It's you employing a double standard so glaring as to be obscene.

 

Last edited Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Here is you in this thread, condemning me your questioner and critic as you claim to be the victim, yes the victim:

"that poster has baited me for the last time. ...and has been on ignore for some time now, probably permanently."

You are the victim? You posted this red baiting, gay baiting OP and you got questioned, challenged and you have no response to the facts so you say claim YOU are the victim. Classic bully mindset.

Look at the responses in this thread. Own them.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:29 PM

32. What was life like for LGBT folks in the U.S. in 1985? And not so fucking

great now.

Still denied basic civil rights in housing and jobs. Still kicked around as a political issue. Extremely high rate of homelessness and suicide in our youth communities.

Still gay bashed. Still killed.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:52 PM

46. This was 1985:

 

Elizabeth Taylor, Dr. Michael Gottlieb, and Dr. Mathilde Krim announce the creation of the American Foundation for AIDS Research in September 1985.

Ryan Whiteis barred from school in Indiana.

The first International AIDS Conference is held in Atlanta.

The U.S. Department of Defense announces it will begin testing all new recruits for HIV infection and will reject those who test positive.

AIDS has now been reported in 51 countries and on every continent except Antarctica.

Rock Hudson dies of AIDS.
U.S. YEAR-END STATISTICS

15,527 cases of AIDS reported to date
12,529 deaths

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:00 PM

49. And we are still waiting for answer to your very astute question re Palestine.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:36 PM

84. OP apparently takes no questions from LGBT.....

 

Just preaches at us.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:32 PM

35. Moving photo in the article of a woman remembering victims of the Holocaust:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1098013.1340056910!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/kirchick19e-1-web.jpg

Mariela Castro Espin, daughter of Cuban President Raul Castro, visits a memorial for homosexual Holocaust victims in Berlin in 2010.


What would Bernie whose father's family perished in the Holocaust know about victims? Odd how you left that part out.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:06 PM

52. What's life like for women in Saudi Arabia when Hillary was hugging on their leaders?

 

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Response to boomer55 (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:21 PM

63. There's a saucy point laden with irony

 

She's big on the Saudis....they execute LGBT. Also flogging. It depends.

"The Clinton Foundation has dropped its self-imposed ban on collecting funds from foreign governments and is winning contributions at an accelerating rate, raising ethical questions as Hillary Clinton ramps up her expected bid for the presidency.

Recent donors include the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Oman..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-donations-to-hillary-clintons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/


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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:09 PM

53. Oh Please spare me

I am guessing you are either a hardliner or you do not know much about Cuba, Cuban exiles etc or perhaps are not familiar with the works of Arenas ....
But to say he blamed Castro (well, of course quoting the new york news in an opinion piece means it is not necessarily factual sorry. Arenas killed himself intentionally taking an overdose of drugs on December 7th 1990.


How much do you actually know about LGBTQ rights in Cuba? For example did you know that gender reassignment surgery is readily available and has been since 2008 and it is free!

LGBTQ citizens of Cuba have been able to be open and join the military since 1993

And how about those movies and TV including the telenovela La okra cara de la luna?

And what about Adela Hernandez the first transgendered person to hold office?

Cuba is no more homophobic than the US ... Indeed there has always been a very relaxed attitude understanding the artistic nature of drag ...

No Cuba is not perfect BUT neither is the US ... and if you are going to cite something cite something more than the NY News. Please ....

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:41 PM

70. Why won't you answer Bluenorthwest's question? You are an avid supporter of Palestine.

A well known state for hating on the LGBT community.

Are we just a community to use for political purposes?

Will you join my community in condemning Hillary's support for Saudi Arabia?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:15 PM

75. +1. Bluenorthwest's question was honestly posed and reveals a seeming contradiction.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:25 PM

77. that poster has baited me for the last time

 

...and has been on ignore for some time now, probably permanently.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #77)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:28 PM

81. Attacking me personally, smearing me for calling you on your moutain of bullshit.

 

Typical. This OP is gay baiting, red baiting bullshit hypocrisy.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #77)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:37 PM

85. Okay. But he still has good question, You are a great advocate for Palestine.

When ever have you condemned their treatment of their LGBT community

And I am 100% on your side with Palestine.

And I am 100% on Bluenorthwest's criticism of your hypocisy.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #85)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:46 AM

94. that premise has a problem with the truth

 

...my 'support' for Palestine here has been limited to defending lives under direct military bombardment and other assault by Israeli forces in Gaza.

That defense of lives under military assault shouldn't be contingent on their treatment of the LGBT community. No one should turn their back on the genocide that was practiced in that assault. No one should turn their back on the mistreatment or abuse of anyone.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #94)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:17 AM

111. So it's different when you do it in 2016? Bernie should not say a 1985 word about Cuba however?

 

In 1985 Ron and Nancy were in year 5 of AIDS Silence. 15,000 died. Not a word from the people your candidate said were advocates. Not a word.


You are a hypocrite.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:56 PM

71. Where are you bigtree? You have Palestine and Saudi Arabia to account for. Step up and do so.

 

You can't expect to remain on DU without dealing with this. Your candidate has excellent relations with the Saudi Kingdom, donors to the Clinton Foundation. They murder their gay people. You and O'Malley both very actively advocate for Palestine, which is also religiously and brutally anti gay. When you advocate for Palestine, you never mention the LGBT there. You never say 'Oh, but they are also anti gay'. Nope. But somehow you reach back to 1985, 5th of Ronald Reagan's 7 years of silence on AIDS to hang Cuba around Bernie's neck?

What the fuck?

Step up.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:03 AM

103. Careful now.

You'll lose supporters quickly. See, just like the article in the OP, "concern" for LGBT rights is conditional. When discussing Palestine, do not mention "LGBT rights" because, well,...reasons. Don't ever mention LGBT rights in Israel, because that is "pinkwashing", unless it is about homophobia in Israel. If homophobia is mentioned in relation to Palestine, then they fall over themselves to point out homophobia in Israel. It is gay-baiting 21st century style, just like this article, not to mention the red-bating. Isn't it fucking amazing we are still being used as a "wedge issue" by our own kind?! Maybe we should go back to looking for our ponies.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #103)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:08 AM

107. The OP is of course personally attacking me as cover for his inability to explain his own actions.

 

Exploitative bait. I thought this election might be different because Democrats might not want to look like Trump Lite, but apparently they are fine with their own brand of divisive minority baiting.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:06 PM

73. k&r

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:26 PM

78. Your silence reminds me of Ron and Nancy Reagan's 7 Year Silence about AIDS which your candidate

 

lied about.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:26 PM

79. Did you know that in Saudi Arabia homosexuality is punishable by

flogging, imprisonment, sometimes for life or execution? Of course they are a cash cow for oil companies so for our government it's all good, no human rights problems there at all. Hows that for some ugly? I'm not even going to bother posting pictures of Obama and Hillary with the leaders of Saudi Arabia, we have all seen those pictures, even you.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #79)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:34 PM

83. Saudis are patrons of the Clinton Foundation.....

 

The Clinton Foundation has dropped its self-imposed ban on collecting funds from foreign governments and is winning contributions at an accelerating rate, raising ethical questions as Hillary Clinton ramps up her expected bid for the presidency.

Recent donors include the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Oman,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-donations-to-hillary-clintons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #83)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:55 PM

89. I had forgotten about that. I guess any justification for what she said

is fine with some. Hillary is very smart. I can't wrap my mind around why she would say that knowing it wasn't true. Why?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:41 PM

87. I cannot believe you went there, bigtree

 

I used to respect you.

This post you started is downright dirty, mean and unworthy of anybody with a grain of ethics.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #87)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:30 PM

119. In 08 bigtree was the most fair and decent poster towards the other candidate and their supporters.

Now that Bernie has stopped Hillary's coronation it sure is different.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:10 AM

91. Not that the Daily News ever cared about gays before this. n/t.

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:12 AM

92. oh, so it's ok for YOU guys tp use right-wing sources? n/t.

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:50 AM

95. "Before Night Falls" mentioned in your piece is an excellent film!

Johnny Depp plays a drag queen in Cuban prison! I recommend it.

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Response to m-lekktor (Reply #95)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:35 PM

120. One of my favorite films ever.

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #120)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:12 PM

121. Time for a rewatch I believe!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:04 AM

96. Still crickets on Palestinian & Saudi atrocities again LGBT folks w HRC?

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Response to Arazi (Reply #96)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:07 AM

97. exactly what Palestinian atrocities against LGBT?

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Response to Arazi (Reply #96)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:10 AM

98. are you speaking of the West Bank where Jordanian law applies or Gaza?

btw Jordan legalized being Gay in 1951-fully 37 years ahead of Israel - Gaza however is a different story

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #98)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:28 AM

112. Jordan repealed laws against private sexual acts, public 'displays' are still arrestable and there

 

has been much news last year about the public attitude toward LGBT in Jordan:

Controversy stormed after Arabic media accused the US ambassador of forcing LGBTI rights on the Middle East

" Gay people in Jordan were terrified this week the country would take steps to make homosexuality illegal.

What was intended to be a quiet statement, one of the only gay magazines in the Middle East MyKali held an event for International Day against Homophobia and Transphobia last month. Held in the capital Amman, activists held peaceful talks, discussions and debates attended by people who believe in and wanted to learn more about equality.
But this week, a huge backlash began when Arabic media claimed US ambassador to Jordan Alice Wells had been in attendance.

Propaganda reports suggested that Wells, who was appointed in 2014 and has since been repeatedly attacked in the media, had organized the event in an attempt to force LGBTI equality in Jordan.

While homosexuality is legal in Jordan, but there are no anti-discrimination laws and the community is largely underground."
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/how-jordan-nearly-made-being-gay-illegal-week050615/


So 'not illegal' is very different from 'accepted'.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:13 AM

99. So Cuba is like countless other countries that do not have full rights for LGBT people.

Does that invalidate Bernie Sanders' comments about Cuba's healthcare/education system or his opposition to US interventionism in Latin America?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:21 AM

100. Are you going to claim that the Miami/Bastista LGBT people had it better?

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Response to Todays_Illusion (Reply #100)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:53 AM

105. That's what I was thinking...nt

 

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Response to Todays_Illusion (Reply #100)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:25 AM

106. Just look at how well hemophiliacs with AIDS were treated in FL

Recall the case of the Arcadia family who had their house burnt down because three of their sons, hemophiliacs, were infected with AIDS. The school board even barred them from attending their school.

The Ray brothers had been a focus of national attention as a result of their parents' legal effort to have them reinstated in school. Mr. Ray said the family had tried to limit news coverage by asking education officials to allow the children into classrooms one hour before the start of school. The request was denied.

''I hold the politicians and school board responsible for what has happened,'' Mr. Ray said. He said educational leaders and politicians had let panic rule the community and had failed to educate the public about the acquired immune deficiency syndrome virus, which public health officials say can be transmitted through an exchange of bodily fluids or contaminated needles but not through casual contact.

The DeSoto County School Superintendant, Larry Browning, denied the accusations, saying instead that the boys ''have been exploited fom the very beginning by their parents.''

''We have a confidentiality policy in this district,'' said Mr. Browning, asserting that the Rays were to blame for courting sympathy from news organizations.


http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/30/us/family-in-aids-case-quits-florida-town-after-house-burns.html

I'll never forget that horrific story, because it so typically exemplifies the mindset that ignorant people around the country had then about people with AIDS, in large part because of the official silence over the epidemic, such silence which was the response of the Reagan administration.


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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:13 AM

109. You're right there with them: Sanders, Redbaiting and the ‘Denouncing’ Double Standard

You even have more than a few recommends..you must be so proud.

March 11, 2016

During the Miami Democratic debate (3/9/16), Sen. Bernie Sanders was asked about sympathetic comments he had made in 1985 about the left-wing leaders of Cuba and Nicaragua. Despite repeated questioning, Sanders refused to retract his remarks:

MARIA ELENA SALINAS, UNIVISION: Senator, in retrospect, have you ever regretted the characterizations that you made of Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro that way?

SANDERS: The key issue here was whether the United States should go around overthrowing small Latin American countries. I think that that was a mistake …

SALINAS: You didn’t answer the question.

SANDERS: … Both in Nicaragua and Cuba. Look, let’s look at the facts here. Cuba is, of course, an authoritarian, undemocratic country, and I hope very much as soon as possible it becomes a democratic country. But on the other hand, it would be wrong not to state that in Cuba they have made some good advances in healthcare. They are sending doctors all over the world. They have made some progress in education. I think by restoring full diplomatic relations with Cuba, it will result in significant improvements to the lives of Cubans and it will help the United States and our business community invest.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton followed up moments later:

You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, imprison people or even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech, that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere.

Clinton’s sudden—and hypocritical—support for “human rights” notwithstanding, the moment was predictable as it was routine. It’s been 25 years since the end of the Cold War, so younger voters may not be used to these types of loyalty rituals. But whenever the issue of socialism—or communism, its more fear-inducing cousin—comes up, the press must attempt to compel those who have previously expressed support or sympathy for red politics to “denounce” their prior statements. Sanders’ refusal to do so caused noticeable agitation among the moderators.

It’s to be expected that this line of questioning would be advanced by Univision, which has deep ties to anti-Castro Cuban-Americans in Miami. Lead debate moderator Jorge Ramos—who, to his credit, is open about his “point-of-view journalism”—has long been a harsh critic of socialist governments in Latin America. In addition to his standard on air and online editorials, Ramos and Univision partnered with media giant Disney to create Fusion, a nominally left media publication that frequently criticizes the leftist government of Venezuela and communist Cuba. (Univision is owned by an investment group led by Haim Saban, Clinton’s single-biggest financial backer.)

A handful of Clinton partisans jumped at the chance to paint Sanders as a far-left loony who likes to cozy up to “dictators.” Salon’s Amanda Marcotte, one of the media’s most reliable Clinton boosters, jumped right in, linking to a recent Daily Beast piece by Michael Moynihan, former senior editor of libertarian Reason magazine and current Vice/Bank of America talkshow host, who did a rundown of Sanders’ dreaded leftist past. Suddenly, a topic Marcotte had never once tweeted about, or expressed any public concern for, was of utmost importance and needed to be brought to the forefront of public discourse.

The Daily Beast’s Jonathan Alter followed suit, tweeting out after Sanders praised Cuban healthcare, “Bernie a lefty sucker for Cuban line on healthcare. If he got sick there, he’d medevac out. And where’s his concern for human rights there?” Alter’s concern about “human rights” was hard to discern when he wrote “Time to Think About Torture” for Newsweek in November 2001, imploring liberals to consider the practice so long as it didn’t involve “cattle prods or rubber hoses.” In his almost 6,000 tweets, this is the first time Alter’s employed the words “human rights.” Like Marcotte, such urgent liberal principles only seem to pop up when it serves their preferred candidate’s talking points.

A third such instance again involved the Daily Beast, which published “Hey, Bernie, Don’t Lecture Me About Socialism,” by Garry Kasparov. Kasparov, chair of the dubious Human Rights Foundation, is the author of the subtly titled book, Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must Be Stopped. In his piece, the famous chess player-cum-neocon offered up some warmed-over capitalist bromides:

And that while inequality is a huge problem, the best way to increase everyone’s share of pie is to make the pie bigger, not to dismantle the bakery…. A society that relies too heavily on redistributing wealth eventually runs out of wealth to redistribute. The historical record is clear. It’s capitalism that brought billions of people out of poverty in the 20th century. It’s socialism that enslaved them and impoverished them.

It’s no surprise the Daily Beast would be ground zero for Sanders red-baiting; this is, after all, the publication that claimed communist Cuban troops had been deployed to Syria based entirely on one spurious Fox News report, and despite numerous requests from FAIR to do so, refused to correct this error. There’s something almost charming about the Daily Beast’s crusading Cold War posture in 2016, or at least there would be if it didn’t serve as fodder for Clinton partisans to offer tacit apologies for Reagan’s right-wing death squads.

http://fair.org/home/sanders-redbaiting-and-the-denouncing-double-standard/

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #109)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:19 AM

117. as proud as you must be trying to suppress my opinion with 50's era deflections

 

...it's entirely possible, as I have done, to oppose the dictatorship in Cuba and their abuses without even alluding to their ideology, which, for dictators, is nothing but a political cover for their tyranny.

YOU, on the other hand, are flogging the communist angle for your own political benefit in supporting the Vermont politician. There's no virtue in that, just more petty politics.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #117)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:31 AM

118. Bullshit, what you have failed to do is present evidence Sanders was an apologist of any kind

for the Cuban government. US foreign policy has been a train wreck and pointing that
out is what a progressive does...but keep digging your own hole. It tells me how dedicated
you are to a progressive agenda. What I also find not credible, if you did not find this
crap online I doubt you would have even thought of making such an asinine connection
between Sanders and the Cuban gay community. Your concerns are about as authentic
as the other nefarious dealings of Politico and Clinton surrogates on this matter..so
yea, nothing for you to be proud of.

Your inability to deal with your bitterness is palpable with each of your OP's.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:34 AM

113. Life for gays was about the same as it was in America at that time

 

Where was America at in regards to Apartheid vs where Cuba was at (ie: in SA fighting to help end Apartheid) around the same time?

Guess which candidate was fighting for gays, fighting against Apartheid in SA, and which candidate writes admiringly about Henry Kissinger and compares herself to Margret Thatcher?


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Response to beedle (Reply #113)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:10 AM

116. Ronald Reagan was a defender of South African Apartheid, he vetoed a Congressional sanction against

 

South Africa which Congress then over road to start the process of international pressures on South Africa. Reagan spoke aggressively in favor of apartheid said it was not discrimination and he called Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

1986 sanctions were passed. Desmond Tutu had this to say about Ronald Reagan:
"''Trade unions, black trade unions have said they call for sanctions. 'Over 70 percent of our people in two surveys have shown that they want sanctions. No, President Reagan knows better - we will suffer. 'He sits there like the great, big white chief of old can tell us black people that we don't know what is good for us. The white man knows.''

TUTU DENOUNCES REAGAN
Published: July 23, 1986
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/23/world/tutu-denounces-reagan.html

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114. Cuba Leading the Way in Rainbow Rights

By: Rachel Evans



Cuba will be holding a mass gay wedding as its main event for May 17 - the International Day of Action against Homophobia and Transphobia (IDAHOT).


Cuba will be holding a mass gay wedding as its main event for the annual lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) pride parade there on May 17 - the International Day of Action against Homophobia and Transphobia (IDAHOT). The event is organised by the National Center for Sex Education (CENESEX), which forms part of an awareness campaign aimed at eliminating prejudice, and granting full legal rights to Cuba’s LGBT couples.

The weddings will not be recognised by the Cuban government, because the revolutionary government has not passed marriage equality laws yet. While this needs to be rectified, Cuba is now a leading Latin America country on LGBT rights. A rainbow revolution is being led by Mariela Castro, daughter of feminist revolutionary Vilma Espin and current president Raul Castro.

Espin is internationally renowned. A sexologist by training, she edits Sexology and Society, a medical journal published in Cuba. In an interview in 2006 with Gail Reed, published in the journal Health and Medical News of Cuba: Espin says that CENESEX’s goals are to contribute towards, “the development of a culture of sexuality that is full, pleasurable and responsible, as well as to promote the full exercise of sexual rights.”


In reality, Cuba has been advancing a very consistently progressive sex and gender rights program. In 2007, Ricardo Alarcon, then president of Cuba’s National Assembly, stated at the assembly meeting, “We have to abolish any form of discrimination against homosexuality... Socialism should be a society that does not exclude anybody.” Homophobic laws began to be repealed in 1973, and by 2011, no mention of homosexuality exists in legislation. The first sex change operation to take place in Cuba was in 1988. Sex reassignment surgery, as part of public health care in Cuba was institutionalized on a large scale in 2008. Like all medical procedures in Cuba, it is free. Assisted reproductive technology for lesbian couples became available in 2008.


In Cuba, For May 17, all across the country, IDAHOT events have been organized. It is only a matter of time before Cuba catches up with Argentina, and legalizes same-sex marriage and adoption rights. In Cuba, homophobia in state policy and popular culture, is low compared to the rest of Latin America and the US. Indeed, thanks to the efforts of the LGBTQI community, CENESEX, and Mariela Castro, today Cuba is more advanced in rainbow rights than most countries in the global South and the US.


Full article: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Cuba-Leading-the-Way-in-Rainbow-Rights-20150515-0013.html


Star Member Judi Lynn (101,642 posts)
1. Great step forward. Do you recall that Cuba was the first country to have a gay tv serial?

What's more, people all over the country watched it when it came on.

How many other Latin American countries have their own gay tv serial? I don't know of any others.

From Che to gay – Cuba’s awakening

With its old time cars and colonial cities, Cuba can seem stuck in a time warp. But with the Caribbean island’s relations with the US thawing now may be the time to visit before it changes forever.

Benedict Brook — February 9, 2015

THE announcement in December by US President Barack Obama that the country would start normalising relations with Cuba was a long time coming but nonetheless surprising.

Like two squabbling cousins who can’t quite remember what originally set them at odds, Cuba and the US seemed unable to let bygones be bygones. But now, it seems that whole messy business with the missiles is to be left to the history books.

The end of an era is coming and change is inevitable. No more will Canadians have a tropical getaway free of their southern cousins, while the aging 1950s American automobiles (there are said to be some 60,000 still gracing Cuba’s roads) will surely be replaced by efficient and economical hatchbacks. Perhaps now is the time to visit a country if not on the cusp of a political revolution then maybe an economic evolution.

One thing that has certainly evolved is Cuba’s attitude towards gay people. Homosexuality was legalised in 1979 – some 25 years before nearby Florida – and now the seaside capital of Havana boasts a small but energetic gay scene.

Drag is the daily bread at Fashion Bar while Humboldt 52 serves up a heady cocktail of white rum, Latin and western pop and same-sex salsa. In fact, this Caribbean country is increasingly becoming an LGBTI destination with Sydney travel agency Orange Journeys offering a nine-day tour that promises white sandy beaches, dinner under the stars in tobacco fields and even dancing lessons.

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http://www.starobserver.com.au/life-style/travel-life-style/from-che-to-gay-cubas-awakening/132214

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110840719#post1



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For Cuba's gay community, Castro apology opens old wounds


HAVANA — Fidel Castro's recent admission that his government discriminated against gays during the 1960s and 1970s has opened old wounds among Cuba's gay community, and sparked a long-stifled discussion about homophobia here.

In an interview with Mexico's La Jornada newspaper earlier this month, the 84-year-old former president confessed that Cuba's revolution -- synonymous in his thinking with progressive views on race and class -- oppressed homosexuals as deviants.

Cubans who suffered societal homophobia and government oppression said it did not take much for a gay man to be locked up for months at a time.

"I served six months in prison just for having plucked my eyebrows," said Francisco Garcia, 45, who goes by the name "Sisi."

"In those days, if they figured out you were gay, out of their own ignorance they viewed it as an aberration, and they committed barbarous acts," he said.

Some of the worst oppression was carried out at Cuba's now-defunct Military Units to Aid Production or UMAPs, established in 1965 to stamp out "counterrevolutionary" values.

The forced labor camps for re-education and rehabilitation run by UMAP, were shut down in 1968 when Castro became aware of some of the cruelty going on there.

But even after the camps closed, oppression against gays continued, instigated by members of the local Committees for the Defense of the Revolution (CDRs), block monitors who often turned in their gay neighbors.

Discrimination against homosexuals in the 1970s was particularly hard on gay artists and writers, who often were disgraced and marginalized, or in some cases even driven into exile.

The plight of Cuba's gay community was the subject of the 1993 film "Fresa y Chocolate" -- "Strawberry and Chocolate."

That hit movie, one of the most celebrated Latin American films of the 1990's, is set in Havana during the late 1970's, and deals with the budding friendship between a bigoted, heterosexual university student and an older, decadent homosexual artist.

Another film that opened Cuban eyes to the plight of gays 17 years ago was the documentary titled, "En el Cuerpo Equivocado" (In the Wrong Body) -- about a man who makes the difficult transition to a female identity, despite society's opprobrium.

Not only gays, but Catholics too were the targets of discrimination and oppression. Alberto Gonzalez, 67, recalled that the mere fact of having been baptized made him a social outcast.

He was taken away from his family and made to do hard labor at a camp run by UMAP.

"It was a sad, painful time and frustrating time," Gonzalez said.

"My father was a member of the communist party and he even justified it."

Since that time, the situation has greatly improved for gays and lesbians in Cuba. Fidel Castro's niece Mariela -- the daughter of President Raul Castro -- heads the National Sex Education Center and has been campaigning for years for greater rights for gays and transsexuals.

Charlimar, 23, works as a street performer in a transvestite show that has been known to draw up to 2,000 people -- something impossible in an earlier era.

Gender reassignment surgery also can be had more easily in Cuba today, but same-sex marriage is not legal. Mariela Castro in January said that even now there is more than a little reticence towards homosexuality in the Communist Party.

One gay Cuban, a successful professional dancer who did not want to be named, said Castro's apology was not enough to heal all wounds, but was nevertheless an important start.

"It's a belated gesture, but a brave and necesary one if we're ever going to make progress," he said.

Alberto Gonzalez, who now is a pastor, also has been heartened by Castro's belated apology. There is always time to acknowledge one's mistakes," he said.

"Fidel made a brave, historic effort to make amends," he added.

But for many in the gay community, Fidel Castro's apology can not wipe away decades of pain and humiliation.

"Who can make up for all the suffering?" asked Aliomar Janjaker, 33, who carries in his pocket a copy of a 1965 interview in which Fidel Castro calls homosexuality "a deviation that clashes" with being "a true revolutionary" and a "militant communist."

And another homosexual man said he cares less about the former president's regrets about the past than the quality of life for gays in today's Cuba.

Fidel's apology means nothing," said Mario Delgado "as long as the police don't leave us alone."


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5inFM...

Glad to see he's come around. The Castros treated gay people terribly for many years.

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Is Cuba becoming a haven for LGBT rights?

Cuba offers free sex change surgeries and government-sanctioned Pride marches, but activists say more change is needed.

Creede Newton | 02 Aug 2015


Yasmin Portales has been working to improve the lives of Cuba's LGBT [Creede Newton/Al Jazeera]

Havana, Cuba - Walking down the Malecon, Havana's broad coastal esplanade that runs past extravagant hotels built when Cuba was the playground of the United States' upper class, one can occasionally see a same-sex couple holding hands or stealing a kiss.

Cuba, the socialist island nation and Cold War foe of the US, has made efforts to present itself as a Latin American bastion for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transsexual (LGBT) individuals in the past decade.

Cuba's constitution bans "any form of discrimination harmful to human dignity", and gender reassignment surgeries have been available under its national healthcare, free of charge, since 2008.


It wasn't always this way.

At the beginning of Cuba's socialist revolution, Fidel Castro's regime actively oppressed LGBT Cubans, even sending them to prisons and work camps.

Since 1979, however, there has been a gradual change in Cuban policy towards the LGBT community.

In 2010, former president Fidel Castro went as far as to accept blame for the discrimination that LGBT Cubans faced after his revolution triumphed, referring to it as a " great injustice ".

"Things have definitely changed over the past two decades," said Yasmin Portales, the 36-year-old founder of Proyecto Arcoiris (PA), Spanish for the "Rainbow Project" - an independent, anti-capitalist collective of LGBT activists founded in 2011.

"But there's still many changes that need to take place," Portales said.


Full article: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/07/cuba-haven-lgbt-rights-150727104541812.html



Cuba has come a long way - I so wish many other countries would do the same.

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