Were Naughty Republicans the true key to Sanders Michigan Win?

[kennetha]

Inquiring minds want to know.

[nc4bo]

1. Or pissed off Democrats turned Independent. nt

[hobbit709]

2. you have an inquiring mind?

Judging from your OPs your mind is pretty much made up and any facts be damned.

[Kip Humphrey]

11. Inquiring minds want to want to make shit up

sometimes.

[Lizzie Poppet]

28. It may have been a typo.

Perhaps they meant "perspiring mimes want to know."

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[hobbit709]

45. The Holy Church of Perpetual Poutrage strikes again.

[Purveyor]

47. And fails miserably... eom

[insta8er]

49. What is this?

[NaturalHigh]

3. I don't know - was it an open primary?

[kennetha]

5. yes definitely

[Goblinmonger]

4. Your concern is duly noted.

So "naughty republicans" made up a 23% shift in polls overnight?

Whatever helps you get a good night's sleep, I guess.

[kennetha]

7. not necessarily all of it

but maybe a part of it.

[Sky Masterson]

6. I saw where they were interviewing a few republicans who voted for Hillary to Give Trump an Easier

person to defeat. I would say that he won independent voters and that is why he finished ahead

[kennetha]

8. saw that too.

that's what made me wonder.

[Krytan11c]

16. Huh?

You saw republicans admit to voting for Hillary in Michigan and it made you wonder if republicans made Bernie win? Weird.

[djean111]

27. Logic NOT a strong point. n/t

[morningfog]

9. No. Hillary's failings and Bernie's efforts were.

[dogman]

10. Maybe it was the arrogance of the Clinton campaign.

I read of HRC supporters who were so confident they could take a pass in the Dem Primary and tried to influence the GOP Primary. I would bet the totals on both balanced out. A dozen of one equals a dozen of the other.

[Ken Burch]

12. You lost fair and square. Deal with it. n/t.

[ibegurpard]

13. They're pretty fucking stupid if so

Hillary is a far weaker candidate against a faux populist like Trump.

[Cal Carpenter]

14. You could just check the exit polls which show

that 4% of those voting on the Dem ballot are Republicans. (By way of comparison, 7% of those voting on a Repub ballot were Dems).

The sample size of Repubs voting on the Dem ballot was so small they didn't even register one way or another.

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/mi/Dem

[mythology]

23. An excellent set of facts

Conspiracy theories are silly.

[Cal Carpenter]

42. It's not even conspiracy theory. It's just stupid innuendo

when the truth is readily available. But the OP and others do not seem interested in facts, just spreading FUD.

Thing is, they would do much better on behalf of their candidate if they acknowledged and acted on facts. Instead, they use tactics akin to asking "So when did you stop beating your wife?".

[UglyGreed]

15. .

[In_The_Wind]

19. Hahaha

[Jokerman]

17. Yes, and all the Sanders supporters on DU are republican trolls.

[whatchamacallit]

18. I know it hurts

but in time you'll come to accept the truth.

[restorefreedom]

20. some people call them citizens.

and everyone has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice.

i would think that dems would be happy to see such crossover appeal

?

[99th_Monkey]

21. Well, 25% of Vermont Republicans keep re-electing Bernie, but they aren't "naughty"

they are just smart enough to know a decent honest compassionate & capable candidate
when they see one at work, up close in their own state.

Bernie WILL pull many GOP voters over to vote for him in the GE --for similar reasons -- if
he's our nominee, VERY unlike Hillary.

[litlbilly]

29. if Vermont translates the same in the GE, it will be more than yyyuuuuuuuuuuge:)

[ThePhilosopher04]

22. Let's assume your premise is true ....

it's highly doubtful there were 20+ thousand Republicans in the state of Michigan willing to throw away their chance at history to vote either for or against Trump. And they don't hate Hillary THAT bad. Now I wouldn't be at all surprised if their were a large number of registered Republicans who gravitate to Bernie's message, especially in a state which has been destroyed by disastrous trade policy over the last 25 years. It must suck to have to rationalize everything.

[Fairgo]

24. See, thisis why values are so important

When you give up your values for the sake of winning, when you will cheer for a color rather than an idea, it gets to a point where you everyone has lost their way. The real irony here is that republicans have been seeping into the democratic party for decades now. The 3rd way is the brine in the water table that has been slowly poisoning the party. And now we find value-republicans (real republicans actually have respectable values...not mine, but understandable) wearing democratic jerseys, projecting baseless fantasy upon value-democrats (hanging by their fingernails onto the edge of their party), accusing them of being the agents of the chaos-republicans that have been seeping into the opposition.

That is what happens when you forsake your values for winning...beyond hypocrisy to madness.

[Skwmom]

25. Bullshit. n/t

[litlbilly]

26. I was waiting for you guys to OP that meme:)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Naughty? Did they vote in their underwear?

[litlbilly]

31. I love your response:)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. .....

[Nitram]

38. No, they voted with their fingers crossed...

[Motown_Johnny]

33. The (R)s had a bigger turnout than the (D)s in MI.

It seems unlikely that they could have also crossed over to vote against Hillary.



Inquiring minds should try to think things through before posting them.

[arcane1]

34. No.

See how easy that was?

[bvf]

35. Hoo hah.

I remember some boob on Usenet who basically ended every post with the same sentiment ("Inquiring minds want to know&quot .

Suffice to say the topic involved Hillary Clinton.

I'd elaborate, but doing so would probably invite an alert.

[NurseJackie]

36. I believe so. He's the ideal candidate to beat.

[Cal Carpenter]

37. The exit polls show otherwise

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/mi/Dem

I don't understand the need for speculation when the facts are available, but then again there is a lot about DU that I don't understand these days.

[NurseJackie]

41. I thought we weren't supposed to trust polls any more ...

... besides, I doubt that those who'd do as I speculate are likely to be truthful in their exit poll responses.

[Cal Carpenter]

43. Exit polls are completely different than pre-election polls

but I'm sure you know that.

You can choose to believe or doubt whatever you want, but this is politics, not religion or the tooth fairy. You'd do better by the candidate you support to actually look at the facts and act on those. Independents were the major wild card in Michigan, they explain much of the discrepancy with the pre-election polls, and focusing on that segment of the population and how to win their votes is always a key in elections. Clearly it is even more important than usual this time around in states with open primaries.

Perhaps it is easier (or more fun?) to blame Repub trolls than to face the facts, but they are there if you want them. The facts are that more Dems voted on the Republican ballot in Michigan than the other way around.

[timmymoff]

54. Would you trust polls after losing 19 percent in a few days?

Oh I forgot, one group of democrats seem to be living in a political bubble.

[riderinthestorm]

39. No. The exit polls and voting stats don't support that

Bernie got the win with his usual coalitions and also by drawing in more POC

[democrattotheend]

40. I doubt it, given how contested things are on the GOP side

I think there was some of that strategic voting going on in 2008 (for both Clinton and Obama) after McCain had basically locked up the nomination, but I doubt that is happening much right now since Republican voters have such a hot contest on their own side.

FWIW, I have a few libertarian friends, all in the top 5% income-wise, who usually prefer Republicans over Democrats. One of them said he would vote for Trump over Clinton but would vote for Sanders over Trump. The other one usually votes libertarian and has never voted for a major party presidential candidate, but concedes that he agrees with Sanders on many things and finds him less offensive than Clinton or Trump.

Maybe there are a few Republicans who decided to cross over and vote for Sanders because they think he will be weaker in November. But I am not aware of any kind of organized effort by Republicans to do this, and like I said, I doubt most Republicans would give up the chance to have a say in their own party's nominee.

[frustrated_lefty]

46. Naw, Dixiecrats just don't play well this far north.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. I think the ceasless negativity and lack of honesty in Camp Clinton is to blame

The bullshit you are pondering is simply not born out by the numbers. And those numbers actually exist. You of course have the power of Google at your busy little finger tips and could have learned that on your own, but no.

Your tactics are not working, your tactics help Bernie. Please keep up the good work!!!!!!

[kennetha]

50. maybe it was overconfident Hillary supporters

Some Clinton supporters chose to vote in the Republican primary. We know 7 percent of voters in the Republican primary identified themselves as Democrats to exit pollsters, compared with just 4 percent of voters in the Democratic primary who said they were Republicans. “Those 7 percent of Dems were likely mostly Hillary voters who thought she had an easy win and they could do their part trying to stop [Donald] Trump,” said Bernie Porn of pollster EPIC-MRA. The exit-poll samples are too small, though, to check that.

Well, we won't make that mistake again. Guarantee you that.

[TheFarseer]

51. You seriously can't think of one reason

a Democrat wouldn't want Bernie Sanders to be president instead of Hillary Clinton? The only shenanigans going on is Hillary winning absentee voting about 5-1 in caucus states.

[Nanjeanne]

52. I think it was Naughty Nurses.

[Armstead]

53. No