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Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:56 AM

The DNC, Clinton and the 1% are creating an intentional Bernie media blackout.

It is amazing, and scary, to see the Sanders campaign wins forced off the front page by corporate media, the DNC, the 1% media owners and team Hillary. It has become so blatantly obvious that the major media has decided not to cover Bernie's wins anymore so as to take the air out of his sails. The pundit criticism of Bernie in the MSM is now 24/7.

These media actions are similar to the actions taken to destroy Occupy Wall Street, just done electronically. Actions one would expect a Donald "waterboard" Trump to take, not actions of the "Democratic" party, the New York Times, MSNBC, or the Washington Post.

The historic destruction of OWS, the bullshit tactics by DWS and the DNC in this election cycle, the blatant media manipulation for the candidate of the 1% are all winding a spring tighter and tighter.

When the spring breaks, watch out.

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Reply The DNC, Clinton and the 1% are creating an intentional Bernie media blackout. (Original post)
Red Oak Mar 2016 OP
LonePirate Mar 2016 #1
ladjf Mar 2016 #12
Fairgo Mar 2016 #127
ladjf Mar 2016 #129
Fairgo Mar 2016 #137
ladjf Mar 2016 #138
mhatrw Mar 2016 #18
highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #77
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #58
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #63
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #2
Perogie Mar 2016 #4
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #6
greymouse Mar 2016 #8
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #19
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #64
Paper Roses Mar 2016 #130
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #131
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #29
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #65
greymouse Mar 2016 #115
Hatchling Mar 2016 #155
grahampuba Mar 2016 #26
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #28
grahampuba Mar 2016 #38
think Mar 2016 #134
geardaddy Mar 2016 #36
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #55
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #110
Jarqui Mar 2016 #30
riversedge Mar 2016 #3
JudyM Mar 2016 #34
stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #5
JudyM Mar 2016 #39
MelungeonWoman Mar 2016 #7
dana_b Mar 2016 #9
turbinetree Mar 2016 #52
Merryland Mar 2016 #60
FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #86
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #112
mmonk Mar 2016 #10
Merryland Mar 2016 #56
Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #11
Merryland Mar 2016 #57
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #81
Hatchling Mar 2016 #157
pinebox Mar 2016 #13
NowSam Mar 2016 #14
colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #15
redstateblues Mar 2016 #132
Oldenuff Mar 2016 #16
LonePirate Mar 2016 #17
Red Oak Mar 2016 #21
marew Mar 2016 #31
Vilis Veritas Mar 2016 #41
Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #44
greymouse Mar 2016 #117
redstateblues Mar 2016 #135
Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #156
Oldenuff Mar 2016 #158
redruddyred Mar 2016 #22
jwirr Mar 2016 #84
LonePirate Mar 2016 #114
jwirr Mar 2016 #116
LonePirate Mar 2016 #118
jwirr Mar 2016 #144
Vincardog Mar 2016 #119
LonePirate Mar 2016 #121
Vincardog Mar 2016 #122
LonePirate Mar 2016 #123
Vincardog Mar 2016 #124
LonePirate Mar 2016 #125
redruddyred Mar 2016 #20
Red Oak Mar 2016 #23
redruddyred Mar 2016 #24
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #62
redruddyred Mar 2016 #105
Helen Borg Mar 2016 #25
LittleGirl Mar 2016 #27
olddots Mar 2016 #32
questionseverything Mar 2016 #108
Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #33
PatrickforO Mar 2016 #50
Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #54
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2016 #35
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #47
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #67
TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #37
LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #40
raouldukelives Mar 2016 #42
Red Oak Mar 2016 #139
oberliner Mar 2016 #43
dchill Mar 2016 #103
oberliner Mar 2016 #107
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #145
oberliner Mar 2016 #148
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #151
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #45
PatrickforO Mar 2016 #46
Yuugal Mar 2016 #76
kstewart33 Mar 2016 #78
Yuugal Mar 2016 #89
kstewart33 Mar 2016 #97
alan2102 Mar 2016 #106
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #96
Bad Dog Mar 2016 #48
noamnety Mar 2016 #49
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #51
NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #53
Politicub Mar 2016 #59
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #66
Politicub Mar 2016 #90
99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #94
Politicub Mar 2016 #100
arcane1 Mar 2016 #128
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #68
Politicub Mar 2016 #88
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #92
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #98
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #80
Red Oak Mar 2016 #140
Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #61
jwmiller Mar 2016 #69
Red Oak Mar 2016 #141
jwirr Mar 2016 #70
Fla Dem Mar 2016 #71
Red Oak Mar 2016 #142
Fla Dem Mar 2016 #149
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #146
Fla Dem Mar 2016 #147
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #153
Nitram Mar 2016 #72
w4rma Mar 2016 #79
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w4rma Mar 2016 #83
MaeScott Mar 2016 #91
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #99
Politicub Mar 2016 #101
Red Oak Mar 2016 #143
pdsimdars Mar 2016 #73
kstewart33 Mar 2016 #74
emulatorloo Mar 2016 #75
salinsky Mar 2016 #85
spyker29 Mar 2016 #87
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #95
Politicub Mar 2016 #102
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #93
jillan Mar 2016 #104
questionseverything Mar 2016 #109
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #113
Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #111
think Mar 2016 #136
Logical Mar 2016 #120
ladjf Mar 2016 #126
LisaM Mar 2016 #133
Enthusiast Mar 2016 #150
FloridaBlues Mar 2016 #152
G_j Mar 2016 #154

Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:00 AM

1. Yeah, it's one gigantic, nationwide conspiracy to keep him down.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:26 AM

12. "..... to keep US down".

I'm afraid that the oligarchical pillaging has been going on so long that the victims have been bludgeoned into thinking that somehow the rich are better and more deserving than those of us who are being robbed. It's like "Hail to the King" (Even though the King has been a terrible ruler"

"We are poor because we somehow deserve to be. Why else would they have everything and we have almost nothing?"

Screw all of that inferiority crap. Join together with like minded people. Fight back. Don't listen to the professionally created 24/7 media propaganda. Remember ,a crooked Democracy, isn't a Democracy.

Test what politicians are promising by examining their past record and associates.

You are being used. They are living off your hard work. They can be defeated. The French Revolution proved that.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:40 PM

127. Never forget, it is us...

not just him.

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #127)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:48 PM

129. As you obviously see, WE are talking about a revolutionary political movement which is

vastly more powerful than the Clinton Family Political Dirty Tricks Combine". The Revolution Bernie refers to is now a permanent
fixture in American life. After it has accomplished it's goals, it will be remember forever in American History just as the French Revolution is remembered today by people all over the World. Their revolution didn't solve all of their political problems just as ours won't. But it was a huuuuuuuge step in the right direction.

Revolutions are about the rights of millions of peoples. Crooked elections are about the criminality of dishonest people who care nothing about their Country.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #129)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:06 PM

137. That's where hope and optimism reside

You can't kill an idea whose time has come. Bernie is just a good and humble symbol of something much, much greater.

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #137)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:07 PM

138. You are talking about some powerful words. nt

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:56 AM

18. LOL. So it takes a "conspiracy" for the top 0.1% to act to protect their own interests?

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Response to mhatrw (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:53 PM

77. No, it takes a blind allegiance for people on DU to help protect their interests!

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:28 PM

58. Even early-on there were numerous analyses of M$M coverage, showing Bernie's being hugely ignored

 

Just sayin'

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:37 PM

63. People like you laughed also at the coordinated attacks on OWS

 

Yet they did happen...mostly covered abroad though. This is how manufactured consent works.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:00 AM

2. Wow

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:06 AM

4. read up on Howard Deans Presidential run

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Response to Perogie (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:11 AM

6. Do you have links where Sanders is forced off the front page?

Just counting the times Sanders has been on talk shows negates this theory.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:16 AM

8. no mention on the front web page of the nytimes yesterday

of his Maine win. I see they put a little link way down this morning. The bias in the Times has been so ludicrous in the last month or two, it could serve as a textbook case for a civics class.

This morning I cancelled my paid subscription. They are no longer a "newspaper of record."

It's up to Bernie supporters to spread the news via social media, which I do.

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Response to greymouse (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:59 AM

19. When did Maine have their primary?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:38 PM

64. Yesterday

 

Huge historic turnouts too. It was a caucus

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:48 PM

130. Huge turnout and if I remember correctly, this AM:

MSNBC said there was a low turnout but the Maine polling places were overwhelmed. The numbers were huge---good for the Mainers.

So huge in fact that the state is going to reconsider their use of the 'caucus' and return to 'primary' voting. There were video's
on-line of a mile of people waiting in one town. It was a huge turnout throughout the state.

Not good for those of us who want honest coverage. This whole Primary season is making me doubt the honesty of the process. I don't blame anyone except the media. Who is controlling them? Look and listen. The answer is abundantly clear.

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Response to Paper Roses (Reply #130)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:51 PM

131. Excacltly

 

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Response to greymouse (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:35 AM

29. The primary was on Sunday, I doubt they were able to post the results before the primary was held.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:38 PM

65. That was the Republican one try to keep up

 

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:18 PM

115. plenty of time to report it in the evening

the Times updates its website constantly.

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Response to greymouse (Reply #115)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:48 PM

155. I stayed up for the 11 news.

Not a word on Maine. Just mentioned that Hilary won big in Louisiana on Sat. and was ahead in the delegate count. ANd that Cruz won big as well.

I also heard a person on Politically Speaking mention an interview a few weeks ago with DWS when she said that the super delegates were there to keep the grassroots in check.

No links but I will go search for them if a reasonable person wants me to.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:30 AM

26. Minnesota Star Tribune

This was the front page, apologies for the small crop region, side bars were nothing politics related.

Sanders won the Minnesota Caucuses the Tuesday before this,
But looky whos on the front page.

(yeah, he got a 'see page 20' link)

[img]http://imgur.com/g1rAoVq[/img]

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Response to grahampuba (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:32 AM

28. Thinking he should be on the front page every day might result in failure, it is not a conspiracy

theory against Sanders any more than other candidates.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:49 AM

38. Sanders won the MN caucus


But Hillary gets the front page.

Someone asked for an instance of Sanders getting snubbed,.
this fits.

Interpret it as you will.


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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:58 PM

134. "ABC, CBS, And NBC News Made An Intentional Decision To Ignore Bernie Sanders"

 

The major networks are still where many less attuned voters still get there information:


ABC, CBS, And NBC News Made An Intentional Decision To Ignore Bernie Sanders

By Jason Easley on Fri, Dec 11th, 2015 at 2:58 pm


An analysis of network television news coverage reveals what supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders have long suspected; the three broadcast television networks are intentionally ignoring the Sanders campaign.

Eric Boehlert of Media Matters has the revealing details:

So in terms of stand-alone campaign stories this year, it’s been 234 minutes for Trump, compared to 10 minutes for Sanders. And at ABC World News Tonight, it’s been 81 minutes for Trump and less than one minute for Sanders.


~Snip~

The corporate owned profit first network news divisions have made the editorial decision that they are going to lavish airtime upon the presidential candidate who most fits their corporate owners’ ideology.

The networks are ignoring Bernie Sanders because his anti-corporate message is dangerous to their well being. The broadcast and cable networks both have a habit of ignoring stories that can hurt their bosses’ bottom lines....

Read more:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/11/abc-cbs-nbc-news-intentional-decision-ignore-bernie-sanders.html





The Discourse Suffers When Trump Gets 23 Times As Much Coverage as Sanders

All Trump all the time media coverage lets Trump define the discussion. It denies voters a broader, better discourse.

By John NicholsTwitterDECEMBER 14, 2015

f we imagine American media as a hungry beast that thinks only about its next meal, then it is easy to see why Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has gone from strength to strength. Trump feeds the beast. With calculated and constant outrageousness, he dominates news coverage not just of the race for the Republican nomination but of the entire 2016 presidential competition. As veteran political observer Larry Sabato says, “It’s Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump and Trump.”

~Snip~

And, as Media Matters for America has illustrated, there should be a good deal more coverage of Bernie Sanders. “The network newscasts are wildly overplaying Trump, who regularly attracts between 20-30 percent of primary voter support, while at the same time wildly underplaying Sanders, who regularly attracts between 20-30 percent of primary voter support,” observed Media Matters’s Eric Boehlert in a report using data from media analyst Andrew Tyndall. “Obviously, Trump is the GOP front runner and it’s reasonable that he would get more attention than Sanders, who’s running second for the Democrats. But 234 total network minutes for Trump compared to just 10 network minutes for Sanders, as the Tyndall Report found?”

Trump and Sanders are dramatically different contenders offering polar opposite proposals for the United States. Yet each has attracted a passionate following. And that has translated into similar levels of support.

On the Republican side, the Real Clear Politics poll averages have Trump attracting 30.4 percent support nationally among voters who might reasonably be expected to participate in Republican primaries and caucuses. On the Democratic side, the RCP poll averages have Clinton leading. But Sanders is attracting 31 percent support in the Democratic race—a better number than Trump.

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-discourse-suffers-when-trump-gets-23-times-as-much-coverage-as-sanders/


Additional sources:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12/11/abc-world-news-tonight-has-devoted-less-than-on/207428

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/01/the_networks_are_doing_the_democrats_dirty_pundits_punish_hillary_bernie_gets_ignored_partner/

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/1214/Should-Bernie-Sanders-get-as-much-media-coverage-as-Donald-Trump

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Response to grahampuba (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:47 AM

36. I'm not surprised.

The Star Tribune is owned by Glen Taylor super Gooper.

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Response to grahampuba (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:26 PM

55. I noticed that.

And he was barely even mentioned at all in the long article that followed the headline. It was all Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Bernie won by a huge margin and they couldn't stand to mention that fact.

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Response to grahampuba (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:57 PM

110. That's because the asshats at the Star Tribune endorsed Hillary.

Too bad they picked the wrong candidate to back this year.


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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:37 AM

30. Tyndal Report for 2015 is one difficult piece of evidence to explain

http://tyndallreport.com/yearinreview2015/

2015 News Airtime
327 mins 2016 Donald Trump campaign
121 mins 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign
.... other candidates
10 mins 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign


One could go further:
Has there been objective assessment of Bernie's policies? Not much. The vast majority of Americans do not know about them. They hear he's over promised or however the Clinton campaign wants to brand them. But has there been a detailed honest assessment? Very little that i've seen.

The pundits largely run with Clinton talking points - and tend to not dig very deeply into what is behind them.

That's not my lone impression. It's been a long and broad complaint throughout the 2016 campaign to the extent it's very predictable.

The media's job should be to objectively present what each campaign offers to the American public. The mainstream media have fallen way short of that standard in the Democratic primary. To many, the facts are overwhelming and beyond debate.

Unfortunately for Hillary, this media support is very probably fleeting. In the general election, the big six media companies who want and like Citizens United, will be doing to Hillary what they did to Bernie in the primary. And there's not a darn thing Hillary supporters will be able to do effectively about it. They've propped her up and soon enough, exploiting her flaws and a Shakespearean tragedy script, they'll cut her down as she will have served their purposes by nipping what Bernie talked about in the bud. So the media companies and big corporate will continue to control Washington.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:05 AM

3. Are you serious?

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:45 AM

34. Are you? (See no evil...)

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:06 AM

5. good lord.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:50 AM

39. You may not have noticed since you're supporting Hillary. It's clear to Bernie supporters.

Many of us have noticed it blatantly even on NPR, which is my main news source outside DU.

I believe it is honestly difficult for HRC supporters to see this because your framing is different. Maybe Sanders supporters are more tuned in to finding his positions, etc, presented even in passing after HRC's issues are being discussed. They are often not!

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:11 AM

7. Did you ever really think the billionaire media owners were going to

give air to a guy who says the billionaires can't have it all? We are the media now, it is up to us to connect with the millions and millions of disillusioned who have given up on the MSM. We won't be able to turn most of those who still tune in to TV coverage, we have to find people who have given up on American politics and get those people involved again. I think we can do it.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:20 AM

9. you wouldn't have even known that there was a caucus in Maine yesterday

and that Bernie WON that caucus (yay!!!) if he hadn't mentioned it on the debate last night!

It's shameful how they ignore him - and us.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:18 PM

52. This a great post----------------------it says everything......................

Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

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Response to dana_b (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:30 PM

60. great cartoon!

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Response to dana_b (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:09 PM

86. NPR spent five minutes on the weekend Trump votes, and only the last 30 seconds for

Cokie Roberts to repeat that 'we'll see if Bernie can fare any better with the African American voters' in the primaries ahead.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:02 PM

112. Great post, dana.

And that cartoon says it all.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:20 AM

10. Power does not yield willingly.

That is the daunting task ahead of us who realize designed income inequality needs to be addressed.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:27 PM

56. who would have expected such a media blackout?

beyond the pale & stinks to high heaven

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:22 AM

11. We are witnessing the blatant, unapologetic hijacking of our democracy before our very eyes. BUT,

WE THE PEOPLE are refusing to go quietly.

WIN! Bernie, WIN! because M$M, the DNC, the Clinton campaign and its establishment surrogates, and the monied-elite 1% are demonstrating daily that our future is a future without open, true democracy for all.

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:27 PM

57. We are on the road

and will keep on truckin...

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:58 PM

81. What do you "WE THE PEOPLE"

 

From what I see main people like the media being this way, just look at this thread and many posts. How narrow minded of you to think everyone must follow you "oh look at me I don't like corruption". Some of the people like the money coming in hand over fist. You sir are insensitive to the blight of the rich and powerful.

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #81)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:55 PM

157. You know:

I'd apologize to the rich and powerful but they aren't listening to me.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:30 AM

13. Isn't it interesting

 

How sites like The Daily Beast have Chelsea on their board of directors, The Onion was purchased by a very prominent Clinton surrogate and high profile blogs like Blue Nation Review (David Brock) & Forward Progressives have gone full Clinton within the last year? Odd. There are more of course as well.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:31 AM

14. It has always been bad but 2016 takes the cake

I feel like I am watching the Hunger Games media.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:34 AM

15. Going Forward

With the Republican Party literally imploding my hope is they go the way of the Whigs, the Neo Democrats replace them as more Conservative party while the Bernie/Elizabeth a Warren wing becomes a real progressive Democratic Party. And no such thing as super delegates.

Of course if we really want a true democracy we should have multiple viable parties, IRV, and 100 percent verifiable voting procedures not involving computers.

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:53 PM

132. Tad Devine created super delegates

Ironic I'd say

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:40 AM

16. What I find most disturbing is

 

the chorus of Democrats who state that they will support the nominee,no matter who it is.

This may well be our last viable chance to get our country headed back in the right direction,and the DNC is not only actively involved in perverting it,but they then expect us to follow dutifully along and be good little Democrats and support the candidate that has been selected "for us".

Bull dab.

Not this time.I'll not vote for a candidate who will sell us out at the first opportunity.

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Response to Oldenuff (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:49 AM

17. So you find it disturbing that people on DU will support the Dem nominee no matter what?

Then why are you here? The entire purpose of this site is to support Democrats. This is not Socialists Underground or Occupy Underground or Progressives Underground. If you refuse to support the Dem nominee in the GE, you are possibly subject to a TOS violation and a potential banning.

Not only that but unless you support the Dem nominee in the GE, you are essentially giving your vote to the Republicans. How receptive do you think they will be to your message? How much of their agenda do your support and how much of your agenda do they support?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:06 AM

21. Tell who I may vote for

There seem to be three candidates in this race

Bernie (D), Clinton (R) and Clinton (D)

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:39 AM

31. Well said! n/t

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:56 AM

41. Well, that was a disgustingly true representation of a politician.

Too bad people focus on finger wagging and bullshit...

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:58 AM

44. we are in trouble if she is our nominee

 

My comment is not to slam HRC. It is a reality of the political baggage she is up against as a Pres. candidate. All this stuff will come out in force. It will be very painful for all of us.

One more reason I so pray Bernie is our nominee. He will be slammed on many things, no doubt, but his politics are cleaner.

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:22 PM

117. ha ha ha Red Oak

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:59 PM

135. Same old smears. Hillary was one of the most liberal

Senators in Congress. She is no Republican

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:54 PM

156. Hillary reminds me of a Roman god.

 

Specifically Janus, the two-faced god.

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:56 PM

158. This is exactly my point.

 

I can vote for a Democrat who supports Democracy,or I can vote for a "Politician" who will turn on her constituents for a campaign contribution..

It is my opinion that being a Democrat has certain responsibilities,and that includes not voting for the other side.Clinton is the epitome of the "other side".

You fine folks can vote your hearts,just like I can.This is really how I feel.We can hasten America's demise by voting for Trump..or Cruz..or Clinton.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:07 PM

84. Our Democratic Party has split into two branches. Hillary and

Bill represent the DLC type corporate party that managed to reach power in the 90s. Bernie and a lot of us want the party of the people (the FDR branch) back.

You want us to vote for our party to go in the exact opposite direction that we are working for? One step ahead and two steps back.

The Centrist DLC along with the raygun economic movement has almost entirely destroyed the country that existed before 1980. If we let her carry us further down that road we may never get another chance for change.

Those of us who remember that time before 1980 want to go back to those values. And we are thankful that the youth are thinking that way also. They did not experience it but they do not want to follow Hillary and the Rs. Thank God.

Why would we not vote for her - because the DLC theory does not work any better than the raygun theory did. In fact it furthered the raygun theory. Either way we lose again. Like we have lost since 1980 when we started giving in to the rw.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #84)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:08 PM

114. Those two branches are not viable on their own. Both need each other if Dems want to win in 2016.

It's that simple. Hillary cannot win the GE without Bernie's Dems. Bernie cannot win the GE without Hillary's Dems. To believe otherwise is to believe fanciful, impossible nonsense. Any Bernie Dem who refuses to vote for HRC, if she is the nominee, is effectively giving their vote to the Repubs. Any Repub president won't give a damn about your personal principles or issues.

Do you think a Repub president will raise the minimum wage or deal with income equality issues or address climate change or expand health care or put a liberal on the Supreme Court or push to end Citizens United or stop the massive voter disenfranchisement sweeping this nation or make higher education more affordable and accessible or prevent the continued erosion of women's and minority rights in this country ? If any of those issues are important to you, then you will be voting for the Dem nominee this year, regardless if it is Hillary or Bernie. This purity bullshit is only going to hurt all of us and this country.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #114)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:18 PM

116. Do I believe a R will......No but I do not believe that Hillary

will either. If she wants our votes SHE needs to convince us that she is going to work for us and not the corporations. Unfortunately she has done the one thing that convicts her of lying about that. Big money donations. They own her.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #116)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:31 PM

118. By all means, stand up for your principles but be ready to shoulder the blame if a Repub wins.

If it is more important for you to maintain your purity and conscience than is to prevent a Repub from being elected, then do whatever you need to do. Just prepare to deal with the consequences with a President Trump or President Cruz. Some of us understand the dangers of a Republican president. Others seem to be completely oblivious of the horrors that would entail.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #118)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:34 PM

144. For me it is not about purity. It is about past experience

with the Clintons: welfare reform that would have taken my disabled child and placed her in an institution so I could get a real job if my state had not stepped in; repeal of Glass-Steagall that takes my deposits and gives them to the investment bankers; tough on crime laws that destroyed the families of many of the people living in my Native American community and more.

I do not trust her at all.

Needless to say I don't trust the Rs anymore but not any less either.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #114)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:40 PM

119. Wrong Bernie wins with the real Democratic base, the independants and some republicans. Hillary

Suppresses the Democratic base and energizes the RW nutz who will crawl over broken glass to vote against her.

A primary vote for HRC is a vote for TRUMP in the GE.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #119)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:56 PM

121. I support Bernie but I disagree completely with both of your assessments.

Bernie suffers a Mondale-like loss if Hillary's wing does not vote for him. It's pretty simple. Chop off 10 points from each state Obama won and the Dem nominee will lose the GE.

Also, every single poll I have seen shows Clinton defeating Trump in the GE. He's the only candidate she does beat. Your claim that she loses to Trump is not based on any sort of reality or fact.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #121)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:59 PM

122. Opinions are like ...

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #122)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:06 PM

123. Except the opinions I posted are grounded in reality whereas yours above are based on fantasy.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #123)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:12 PM

124. You are not entitled to your own reality. Bernie POLLS BETTER against every GOPer than HRC. I

Don't mid if you want to have a different opinion. Everyone has an opinion. But your post is a personal attack.

Bernie wins 80% of the vote in Vermont. He can't do that without democrats independents and some of the republicans.

That is a FACT.

In you own post you admit that " He's the only candidate she does beat" . The polls I have seen has Bernie beating every one by wider margins than HRC.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #124)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:37 PM

125. Did you even read what you said?

You said a vote for HRC in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the GE. You made no mention of the other candidates. So exactly how is such a vote for HRC a vote for Trump when every poll has her defeating him? Please explain the math or logic in your statement. Where is the actual evidence that supports your claim. Without evidence, your claim is nothing more than wishful thinking or fantasy.

And why wouldn't one of the whitest and most liberal states in the union not turn out in support of one of their own running for President? Elizabeth Warren could have won 80% in VT. The eventual Dem nominee will win VT in the GE. It's places like IA, NH, NV and VA that matter in the GE. It's charitable to say the outcome in those states was a draw. The outcome in MI tomorrow will tell us so much more about the primary race in the weeks to come. If the result is close like one poll this morning suggests, then the primary race will continue. If the result is an HRC blowout like another poll from this morning suggests, then the primary race will effectively end within a couple of weeks if momentum matters.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:04 AM

20. i don't read the papers, or own a tv

 

honestly, i hadn't even noticed.

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Response to redruddyred (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:13 AM

23. What are your main sources for real news on line?

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:14 AM

24. twitter, facebook, and you guys

 

cheers

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Response to redruddyred (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:35 PM

62. Problem is, large numbers of voters DO have TVs and/or read the paper.

 

Social media is more effective now than ever at getting an "alternative" message
out, but it's an open question if it's evolved to the point where it can take on M$M
outlets and prevail.

This is one of the things Bernie's 'putting to the test', intentionally or not, with his
campaign.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #62)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:01 PM

105. interesting perspective there

 

i don't primarily tweet abt politics but i do try to give exposure to points which i find impt.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:29 AM

25. Imagine if people could actually make up their own mind!

This is so disgusting.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:31 AM

27. BBC, Euronews and RT

discuss Bernie on a regular basis.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:41 AM

32. the media moguls know they can't sell their bull shit to Bernie voters

 

Big Pharma , Big Food , Big Oil , Big Real Estate and Big Luxery are not our market segment .Why should they waste the greed made money on people who don't buy their shit ?

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Response to olddots (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:34 PM

108. don't forget big private prison money

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:42 AM

33. Sad quote: "America is one generation away from the end of democracy"

 

It is encouraging however that the reports are coming in about millennials. They are far left and embracing socialism, plus interested in participating in politics.

Maybe they will save America.

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Response to Orange Butterfly (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:12 PM

50. You may be too optimistic.

America may be one election away from the end of democracy.

And, really, democracy HAS ended in places like Michigan where the Governor can just declare a town or city insolvent and appoint an administrator to run it, throwing out all the locally elected officials in the meantime. No democracy there.

When TPP passes, we will find out the hard way that the ISDS provisions really DO allow corporations to overturn local and state regulations and/or laws. No democracy there.

Last, since when was the last time ANY of the lizards supposedly representing us in DC even cared about what we want? It's been at least two or three decades when public opinion made any difference at all.

Capitalism has polluted the entire social fabric with its myopic quest for profits at the expense of EVERYTHING ELSE, and the oligarchic parasites will clutch their wealth with old, wrinkled, white, male, liver-spotted hands until the mob arrives with pitchforks and torches.

A guy like Bernie, really, is our last real hope to bring back any semblance of democracy. If Clinton cheats and wins the nomination, because she can't win any other way but lying and cheating, she will lose to Trump, which will usher in a fascist era for us. So we can kiss democracy goodbye then, too.

Bernie is the only one who actually gives a shit about what the people want, and proves it with a 30 year track record of supporting those things.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:26 PM

54. Thx, I agree with your post

 

I am worried that HRC will not be able to win against drumph. The populist goes where the energy is biggest. Even when it makes no sense. People are voting yes with drumph, because it is funny.

Indeed you make very good points about the end of democracy now. I too feel Bernie is our one chance to keep democracy alive as best we can.

I worked for hard for him with my caucus state. I was thrilled that Bernie won in every congressional district and won the state!

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:45 AM

35. In Maine, Bernie came in next to last while Hillary ended up in second place

There used to be a Soviet/U.S. car race joke which went something like that. Wording means everything.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:03 PM

47. wow thanks I am shaking my head --

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:44 PM

67. LOL-- that's good

 

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:48 AM

37. To all my fellow Bernie supporters

Do not get caught up with getting into arguments with the 1% supporters. They are blatantly trying to get you upset. Just be gracious and thank them for their childish responses. I know that most Hillary supporters are nice and not interested in trying to insult others, but there are quite a few that come on to this site just to instigate.
It's not worth your time. You know the ones I am talking about.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:50 AM

40. My 93-year-old mother, always a Democrat, gets her news via

the LA Times and network tv. Needless to say, she hears nothing about Bernie except that he's a "socialist." I talk him up at every opportunity, but I suspect she's firmly in Hillary's corner as someone she knows and feels comfortable with. Suspect that's the same for many elderly and one of the reasons Hillary leads with that demographic.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:56 AM

42. The curtain is being thrown back.

Our last hurrah for democracy will not die silently. The internet is all the youth have ever known and will ever know. Something those who were raised by the TV cannot quite fathom yet. There is a world outside of Mayberry.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:13 PM

139. Very true

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:58 AM

43. This is just not true

 

Bernie Sanders is not subject to a media blackout. The coverage of the primaries on CNN and MSNBC talked about both candidates.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:54 PM

103. Yes, the inevitable Hillary and the socialist with no chance of winning.

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Response to dchill (Reply #103)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:30 PM

107. They have showed his stump speeches and rallies

 

After the primary and caucus results, his speech was carried on all the major political networks.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #107)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:35 PM

145. you must watch tv with virtual reality goggles on

The media bias against him is the most blatant and pervasive I have ever seen, and the lack of coverage is just one of their techniques.

It has revealed much to me about the current state of our so-called democracy, which requires an informed public to be functional.

We are living in a corporate Deep State that controls the regulatory systems, the media, our elected politicians, and a vast network of para-government career shadow institutions that hold the real power. wake up.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #145)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:59 PM

148. There is no media blackout on Bernie Sanders

 

That is a preposterous statement.

If you want to argue that there is bias against him on the major networks, then that is a more reasonable argument.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #148)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:08 PM

151. Your opinion and mine are miles apart here

You can argue the blackout word if you so desire. I didn't use it, it's more of a brown-out with heavy bias against when he is even mentioned. I still (regrettably) watch a lot of MSM news and politics, and it's probably the most biased campaign coverage I've ever seen, pro-Hillary, pro-Trump, anti-Bernie.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:59 AM

45. yep

End of democracy. No such thing as journalism on cable. NBC evening news did cover it. Please! Boycott cable. Enjoying TYT lots.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:03 PM

46. We knew Bernie was going to be treated this way from the beginning.

The funny thing is that most Bernie supporters don't watch cable TV. They don't watch MSNBC or CNN. They get their news online.

And they comment on that news. They fact check that news. And if the news isn't true, they flame it.

Sadly for the corporate media, DNC and Hillary Clinton, the mainstream media NO LONGER CONTROLS THE MESSAGE.

WE DO.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:51 PM

76. Winner winner, Chicken dinner!

 

We are seeing the lasts gasps of the corporate media. Their audience is dying and thus their gravy train of easily duped teevee boomers. For gen x and millennials it can't come fast enough.

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Response to Yuugal (Reply #76)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:54 PM

78. I'm not seeing the last gasps.

Help me out. What are you seeing?

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #78)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:13 PM

89. I'm just over 50

 

I don't know of anyone on my block younger than me that hasn't cut the cord yet. Why would I subject myself to some rich entitled asshole like tweety or rachel or whatever bobble-head they put up to talk down my values, and then sit through 20 min of commercials an hour as well?

Cable lost 10% of their viewers last year. Just last year! The big money people may swing the nom for hiLlARy this time but their days are numbered. Younger people watch stuff like debates but that is online or on their device and they leave and go right back into their reddit groups or facebook or twitter, etc.

Most oldsters just don't get the movement and never will because they have theirs already and just want us to pad their filthy nests until they die comfortably, even if they have to ship every last job overseas to make that affordable for them. Sure, the 3% of that gen that were the real deal are still active and god bless em, but that generation will go down as the most short-sighted, selfish generation in history. The took a brand new car of an economy and drove it right off a cliff for short term profits. They have lived their charmed life by selling their kids, parents, and the environment down the river.

Now they want me to line up and support the money candidate instead of the real deal. Not gonna happen for me and my kids, and from what I see and hear......and I'm in NY, this is gonna be a horrible election for the circle-jerk D ranch.

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Response to Yuugal (Reply #89)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:45 PM

97. I'm with you on cable cutting as the cable companies are ripping off people.

But I think you give the elderly, at least a large portion of them, the short shrift. I'm over 60, and understand the movement very well, though I support Hillary. As a college student, I sued my state university on a civil rights issue and actually won. The movement is great, and I hope it will continue. I just don't think that Bernie is the one to lead it as president.

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Response to Yuugal (Reply #89)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:02 PM

106. great post!

 

Thanks!

The boomers, the most destructive generation (I say sadly, since I am among them), are flocking to vote neocon/corporate/bullshit (HRC). Fortunately they are dying off, several million per year. It might take a few years, but the tide WILL turn. This is the beginning. OWS & Bernie are the early markers of the sea change.

Funnily enough, as you point out the boomers are in their old-fashioned MSM matrix and cannot comprehend the great change that is occurring. Most of them will go to their graves, still plugged in to the corporate media, out of touch with the reality of the revolutionary change afoot. Too bad. A whole generation, wasted and fantastically wasteful.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:43 PM

96. Which is why the net is the next frontier

 

Of control. Am afraid we will need to understand ersatz media

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:06 PM

48. Trump gets the airtime because he's good for ratings.

And that means more advertising revenue.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:07 PM

49. I watched the local news coverage before the debate.

 

It was "there's a debate between the two democratic candidates" followed by video of Bill Clinton, then video of Chelsea Clinton. Nothing of Bernie's rallies despite them being exponentially larger than any audience Bill or Chelsea had.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:12 PM

51. If you wish to see what an ACTUAL media blackout looks like.

 

Watch what happens when Hillary takes Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Florida in the next 8 days. The cameras will go away.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:19 PM

53. I'm HOPING these efforts help to wake folks up to the fact

 

that both political parties are completely corrupt, truly representing only the interests of the elite and wealthy power brokers.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:30 PM

59. It's a failure of Sanders' communication team

Not a conspiracy. It takes time, people and resources to implement a media strategy. Coverage just doesn't happen because a bunch of people on DU want it to.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:42 PM

66. It's not even about the amount of coverage, it's also the nature of coverage.

 

How would you feel -- as a Clinton supporter -- if she had just won THREE STATES (while Bernie
had just won one) and all the media could talk about was the one state Bernie carried, barely
mentioning a 3-state-win?

I think if you're honest with yourself, you have to admit you'd be pissed. I don't care if you call
it a conspiracy or simply call it corporate media "protecting their own" favored establishment
candidate.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:15 PM

90. By all means, continue blaming the conspiracy

If the Sanders team is sitting around bemoaning a conspiracy they're not out there doing the heavy lifting that comes with communications.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #90)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:39 PM

94. Bernie is taking on the entire US Corporatist Establishment

 

including the M$M. <-- So duh .. our M$M would rather not hear about it or report it to the public.

There's nothing 'conspiratorial' about this observation, but I know that's your Hillarian
talking point to distract anyone from noticing, so I don't blame you for sticking to that,
esp. since it's all you got.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #94)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:48 PM

100. You have the talking points?!

Will you please send them my way? I never received a copy and I'm curious to know what they are.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #90)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:47 PM

128. Like when Hillary bemoaned a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"?

 

I guess she and Bill were not capable of doing the heavy lifting that comes with communications

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Response to Politicub (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:46 PM

68. so winning Maine in a huge manner needs promotion by Bernie's people to get coverage?

 

Are you freaking kidding me?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:12 PM

88. Yes, it does

And as a Hillary supporter, I hope the Sanders team shares your view of communications strategy.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #88)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:19 PM

92. uh, ok. Sure.

 

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Response to Politicub (Reply #88)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:47 PM

98. Ok, so in your view

 

Must be the new media, if a candidate wins he needs to set up his own papers et al? I won't stop you as to how ridiculous this sounds. Don't worry, our major media has entered Soviet era level of propaganda.


Once we leave this nightmare, historians will not be kind to the Clintons, among many others

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Response to Politicub (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:56 PM

80. Ok lemme get this straight

 

This is the campaign, but trump farts it is breaking news.

Historians are not going to be kind to Bill Clinton and the 1996 Telecom Act

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #80)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:20 PM

140. You are right about the Telecom act

In retrospect, just another one of Bill Clinton's F-ups.

History will regard him as a horrible President.


NAFTA, CAFTA, China WTO, Bank dereg, The Telecom Act (fairness doctrine)

Damn - there goes the middle class

No wonder Hillary didn't want to talk about "the 90's" in the debate last night.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:34 PM

61. They're just adding fuel to the Bern!

As if we can't find out without them. Fuck them. They will lose in the end.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:46 PM

69. Cokie Roberts

I heard her say on NPR this morning that there was no path for the Sanders nomination. No explanation, nothing. I must be missing something.

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Response to jwmiller (Reply #69)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:21 PM

141. Case in point about the OP

The media fix is in.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:48 PM

70. And in doing so they are cheating the people out of truth. And

we are supposed to vote for their candidate so they can continue to lie to us.

They (DNC, Clinton and the media) have absolutely no respect for the people they consider to be stupid.

Well the only time I have really been stupid was in the 90s when I voted for Bill twice.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:48 PM

71. What a bunch of hogwash. Here are a dozen links highlighting Bernie Sanders in MSM.

There are plenty more, but I got tired doing your research for you.

Bernie Sanders Wins Maine Democratic Caucuses
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-democratic-caucuses/story?id=37442580

Bernie Sanders wins Maine Democratic caucuses
http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-democratic-caucuses/

Bernie Sanders Wins Maine Caucuses, NBC News Projects
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-caucuses-nbc-news-projects-n533001

Bernie Sanders Wins The Maine Caucuses
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/06/469432610/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-caucuses

​Bernie Sanders sweeps to victory in Maine Democratic caucus
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-sweeps-to-victory-in-maine-democratic-caucus-election-2016/

Sanders makes history with New Hampshire landslide
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-makes-history-new-hampshire-landslide

Bernie's bounce-back weekend
The Vermont senator could win three of the four states voting this weekend, which would give him some desperately needed momentum.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/three-dem-caucuses-bode-well-for-bernie-220202

Bernie Sanders feels the love in Vermont
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/super-tuesday-2016-bernie-sanders-feels-the-love-in-vermont/

Bernie Sanders' campaign predicts success in next contests
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-campaign-predicts-success-in-next-contests/

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Win in New Hampshire Primary
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/us/politics/new-hampshire-primary.html?_r=0

Bernie Sanders on Meet The Press
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/bernie-sanders-is-not-a-capitalist-542522435717

Bernie Sanders Stands his Ground
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-to-clinton-can-i-finish-please-638337091617

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #71)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:22 PM

142. And how many not buried on page 20?

None.

My point exactly. Thanks for showing it so clearly.

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Response to Red Oak (Reply #142)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:00 PM

149. No, you've done nothing but voice an opinion. You're good at obfuscation. Show your empirical proof.

Let's see the front pages of all the news papers. Frankly most of them today are about Nancy Reagan's death. If anyone is on any front pages it's Trump. Show me the proof that HRC is getting more front page coverage than BS.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #71)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:41 PM

146. Proves nothing, you'd need an actual comparitive analysis to make your point

but then you'd find that your point is the oppositie of reality.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #146)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:54 PM

147. What a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Where was the OP's comparative analysis? nt

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #147)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:26 PM

153. The OP didn't attempt to make its point with a few sample links

You can prove anything with a few anecdotal links, when they aren't put into perspective and analyzed against alternative possibilities.

Here's a pretty good article about it from way back in January by ex-DUer David Swanson:

http://ahtribune.com/us/2016-election/405-bernie-v-media.html?can_id=&source=email-bernie-v-media&email_referrer=bernie-v-media&email_subject=bernie-v-media&link_id=0&nomobile=1&demo=1

The major media has given him ridiculously little coverage, and belittled him in most of that coverage. Yet he has surged in the polls, in volunteers, in small-donor fundraising, and in real world events. While television news has shunted aside actual events, crises, social movements, the state of the natural environment, any number of wars, countless injustices, and most legislative activities in order to focus more than ever on the next election, and has done so ever since it was nearly two years away, the media has also given wildly disparate attention to certain candidates, in a way that bears no correlation to polling or internet searching or donors or any such factor. As of last fall, Bernie Sanders had received a total of 8 minutes of coverage from broadcast evening news, less than Mitt Romney or Joe Biden got for deciding not to enter the race.

And yet, Bernie polls better against Donald Trump (now that a pollster finally asked that question and released the results) than does Hillary Clinton. And Bernie is gradually catching up to Clinton in polls of Democrats. If he wins New Hampshire (very likely) and Iowa (pretty likely), all sorts of bandwagon jumpers could switch their support to him, and uninspired voters become inspired to vote in the next several primary states, snowballing the magical force of "momentum" into an upset victory with great media ratings, even if horrifying political implications from the point of view of major media outlets' corporate owners.

According to Ted Rall, we are seeing the failure of propaganda: "Everyone in a position to block Sanders' campaign did everything they could to sabotage him. ...

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:49 PM

72. I see good coverage of Bernie all over the sources of news I use.

I don't watch TV, but I read an excellent newspaper, listen to NPR, BBC and find plentiful and fair coverage of Bernie there. You guys sound just like the right complaining that all the media have a liberal bias, except you're saying all the media have an anti-Bernie bias. I don't see it, and wish ya'll would stop whining.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #72)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:55 PM

79. that some Clinton supporters can't see the corporate bias in media against progressives is sad.

 

And its very very very telling about what they really think of authoritarianism. From what I've seen Clinton attracts folks who favor authoritarianism.

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Response to w4rma (Reply #79)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:00 PM

82. Bullshit. You can stop shedding crocodile tears for us anytie now.

"From what I've seen Clinton attracts folks who favor authoritarianism."

That's like saying, "From what I've seen, Sanders attracts folks who engage in magical thinking."

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Response to Nitram (Reply #82)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:02 PM

83. You don't have much of a problem with corporate/billionaire/aristocratic power over our lives

 

it seems. Or should I read your statement that is protecting corporate propaganda and censorship as something else?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #72)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:16 PM

91. They are not whining. The media is most def

Blocking Sanders and promoting Clinton.

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Response to MaeScott (Reply #91)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:48 PM

99. And Trump

 

As much as they say it is ratings

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Response to MaeScott (Reply #91)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:50 PM

101. Sanders has a shitty communications team

Blame the media all you want. That's not going to get you anywhere, though.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #101)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:23 PM

143. Oh yeah - that's the reason, because Hillary has such a great com team.

Hahahaha.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:50 PM

73. the clearest example

 

The weekend before this last one, there were 80 "Marches for Bernie" all over the country, involving thousands of people and there was NO media coverage.
Can you imagine if Trump or Clinton had had 80 marches for them? They'd be out there interviewing them all day long.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:51 PM

74. What legitimate news story is not being covered?

I had no trouble reading about the Maine victory this AM on the web. I didn't expect it to receive as much coverage as other wins because: 1) it's in Bernie's backyard; 2) the win was expected (the media reports surprises far more so); and 3) Maine is a small state with not that many delegates.

Hillary hasn't even visited Maine since last September, for geez sake. It really wasn't news that Bernie won big, but still there was coverage.

If Bernie wins Michigan, you can beat the media will be all over it. Big state, big delegates, and a big upset.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:51 PM

75. No, media are having a Trump/Cruz fest and blacking out Democrats

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:07 PM

85. There's no media blackout for Bernie ...

... anymore than there is for Hillary, or Cruz, or Marco, or Kasich.

The Trumpster Fire is just sucking up all the oxygen in the room.

He gets the clicks, and that's all the MSM cares about.

They've admitted as much.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:10 PM

87. She must be very powerful

It will make her even more effective as President

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Response to spyker29 (Reply #87)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:42 PM

95. Oligarchy

 

That is what you are watching. And manufacturing of consent. Historians will not be kind

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Response to spyker29 (Reply #87)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:51 PM

102. +1 - you win the internets today :)

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:20 PM

93. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Red Oak.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:54 PM

104. Last nite flipping thru the channels - msnbc had on 3 Hillary surrogates to discuss the debate

Joan Walsh, Joy Reid and Kristen Welker.

It was a Bernie bashing party! Not one surrogate to speak for Bernie.

Bernie was so mean.

I watched for 5 minutes and turned on a movie instead.

That said - CNN so much better. They have been having Ben Jealous on a lot

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Response to jillan (Reply #104)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:44 PM

109. cnn wouldn't announce bernie's win in maine last night at all

while watching the debate i was also on puter so i knew he had won but there was never a scroll across the bottom announcing his win

cnn maybe slightly better but not much

if we had actually news anymore this would be a big deal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511435306

she is still taking private for profit prison money

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #109)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:04 PM

113. Bernie had to mention it during the debate himself.

Because CNN is the most trusted name in news, or something like that.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:58 PM

111. OWS shot itself in the ass.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #111)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:00 PM

136. Do tell....

 

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:47 PM

120. Kick

 

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:39 PM

126. I have never seen such positive proof that an Establishment conspiracy is at work in our

election process. This is not the spirit of America's Democracy.


This is criminal activity that is being condoned by people who feel that they are not subject to U.S. Laws.


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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:57 PM

133. They are all devoting way too much time to Trump

When Hillary won in Louisiana, I likewise had to dig around for the results.

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:07 PM

150. Kicked and recommended!

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:20 PM

152. Again with the media black out. Bernie is on tv all the time as are his advisors

That's not why he's losing the race

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Response to Red Oak (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:28 PM

154. the corporate media seem to be doing everything they can

to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination.
But hey, these are the same people who brought us
the Iraq invasion etc. etc.

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