We are losing. Check the Real Clear map.

[Deep13]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

What has gone from a commanding lead with the Great Lakes region, NC, VA, and FL leaning blue, and PA solidly blue is now a 10-elector lead with all those states back in the "toss up" category. Add to that voter suppression and momentum and we have a real problem here.

I'm not urging any specific action, because there is nothing we can really do about it. Frankly, Obama blew it when he failed to take the first debate--the one with the highest number of viewers and the biggest effect--seriously. Biden dominated #2, but no one really cares who the VP is, and not many will watch #2 or #3. Not happy.

[Drunken Irishman]

1. 'We are losing'...no we aren't.

Did you even look at the map before coming here and making this dumb claim or are you just going for shock value?

Maybe you should look at this map before you tell us we're losing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

[LiberalElite]

16. I just looked at their website

While I like your link a lot better, his is apparently current. I personally don't trust RCP anyway though.

[Drunken Irishman]

21. Ugh...

I don't think people know how to read websites. His is not current. His map includes a ton of states Obama leads in that are classified as 'toss-ups'. Take away toss-up states and Obama leads with just a shade under 300 electoral votes.

[LiberalElite]

26. Sorry I'm stupid but

Going by the fact that when you look at their website RIGHT NOW what's in his link is what you see. Sorry I'm unsophisticated.

[Drunken Irishman]

49. Then try to at least learn something...

The map he's showing is not the RIGHT NOW map ... it's just a map that has arbitrarily decided to call some states toss-ups ... states OBAMA LEADS IN. If you take away all the toss-up states, Obama wins the election. On election day, those toss-up states just aren't going to amount to a tie ... someone is going to win 'em. In the polls RIGHT NOW, Obama is winning in enough toss-up states to pass 270 electoral votes.

So, when the poster says 'we're losing', he's absolutely wrong.

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. When you look at the website "RIGHT NOW" you see both maps

The one in the OP has some states as 'toss ups' - any state with a lead of less than 5% is marked as a toss up, in grey. The other map shows who is leading the state, whatever the margin is.

[Deep13]

69. I looked. It sucks. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

85. Then learn how to read...

So that you don't continue to make a fool out of yourself. It does you, or any of us, no good.

[brush]

92. Agreed, we are not losing

Deep13, try this somewhere else. We're not buying it so stop wasting our time with your negativity.

[marko56]

119. We are not losing.

Let's face it, every Obama supporter is ticked off by the President's weak performance in that first debate and many of us (I myself at times) become livid thinking about it. We have to move on. Biden did what he was supposed to do and the ball is really in the President's court to make his case to the American people as to why he should be reelected. By all accounts, Romney has peaked and it is now Obama's turn to have an Etch a Sketch moment by doing well in the next two debates. Can we lose? Sure. The probability of winning is in th President's favor but he has two be strong in the remaining the debates and re interview for his job like he wants another four years. Let's cheer him on Tuesday and hope he calls Romney out for whoever he pretends to be that night.

[hrmjustin]

122. Never give in to the gop. Fight on! Welcome my friend to DU.

[librarylu]

152. Beg pardon

I wasn't at all ticked off by the President's performance in the first debate and neither were the people in the room I was in.

Romney's sidestepping and lying made me livid and I wish the President had slammed Romney on green industries contributing to his campaign (and who's been funding Romney's?) and their "50%" bankruptcy but at least he got through on corporate welfare.

No excuses. He did well and won by the rules of debate.

I'd rather he win the election. He's a working president and I think it's a shame he has to engage in this nonsense at all.

[southern_belle]

158. +1 Thank You -

Seems like all the complete LIES and FLIP-FLOPS and the BiPolar Disorder interrupting and rudeness count for a lot more in MSM Land than Honest Truth-telling and respect!

[librarylu]

164. Thank YOU

Fortunately some sane articles followed.

I read those.

[Samantha]

165. I was livid at Romney's lying as well, and I do believe he cheated with notes

So it appears to me Romney lost that debate by default.

And this constant refrain of Obama's "weak" performance I disagree with as well. He made a smart decision not to waste his two minutes on Romney's debut of his new populist positions. He couldn't go toe-to-toe with Romney on that plus address his own position points to the biggest Republican audience he probably would have this election season. Knowing that in the ensuing days, commentators and pundits would refute the lies, Obama made a strategic decision to use his time wisely and talk to the Republicans who had tuned in. I thought it was a wise choice.

Sam

[classof56]

189. While I welcome you to DU, I must say,

your assertion that "every Obama supporter is ticked off by...his performance in the first debate," is incorrect in that, I am an Obama supporter and I am not ticked off by his "performance in the first debate". Glad you will at least concede that we are not losing.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

[MjolnirTime]

2. You can stuff this "stuff" in a sack, Mister. Nobodies buying what you're selling.

[CthulhusEvilCousin]

3. Step off the cliff

The election isn't until November, and according to the map Obama is still ahead (albeit by about 10 EC votes) in solid states, with neither (allegedly) coming close to the amount necessary to win. This is assuming that the polls they are basing this on are all good polls too, as not too long ago I heard we were making gains even in Arizona.

I really don't understand the defeatist attitude with some folks, living and dying on the polls.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. "I'm not urging any specific action, because there is nothing we can really do about it."

Go away, then.

On DU! A longtime DUer seeking to discourage phonebanking and canvassing and GOTV efforts! Unbelievable.

You're pathetic.

[Deep13]

70. We've been doing that anyway. nt

[pnwmom]

171. AND IT'S WORKING: READ THE EARLY VOTER NUMBERS. n/t

[dems_rightnow]

5. We lost ground.

We lost ground, but we're not losing. Romney would LOVE to trade places with us. Lots of election still to go. Maybe you should take a breather.

[Progressive dog]

6. No we aren't and btw check ownership and goals

RCP is faux news light, I can't believe that you are pretending to panic over anything on their site. Isn't this a Democratic website.

[obxhead]

7. The only poll that matters happens Nov 6th

Every daily or hourly poll until then is used for purposes of creating headlines and gossip for pundits and nothing more.

[tarheelsunc]

8. At least wait until after the second debate to jump to conclusions

The first debate has already all but disappeared except for Big Bird.

[DarthDem]

9. Thanks for your concern.

PA a "tossup" - - yeah, sure. Looks like you may have missed a class or two at Concern School. Lol.

[helpisontheway]

10. Told you...Trolls are back! nt

[ProSense]

28. Like you? n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Pokoyo currently the only recommender of this thread

Could it be yet another Blue Yorker Zombie?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Pokoyo AKA Blue Yorker, AKA Mario Ordinario,AKA Chatown Chavista Is No Longer A Member Of The Living

.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Mario Ordinario, You're A Busy Little Troll

.

[DarthDem]

38. Roffles

Nice try, Captain 22 posts. Oof, these aren't even the minimally skilled trolls working the Sunday shift.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I Thought They Took The Sabbath Off

.

[daligirl519]

22. I cannot believe

That people are responding seriously to this bullshit.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Long time poster, but an utter coward

Who would suggest that there is nothing we can do, no fight left in us? Only a coward. Deep13 doesn't want to fight. he's a coward. That doesn't mean the rest of us have to be.

Get out there and fight for every last vote.

[Deep13]

71. pointing out reality is not trolling.

go to hell.

[JimDandy]

84. Not reality-just an opinion of someone else's opinion

and, yes, a cowardly opinion at that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

168. Your Reality

October 15, 2012

Insiders See Obama Winning

A New York Magazine poll of political insiders, asked to predict the winner of the presidential election, finds President Obama overwhelmingly favored over Mitt Romney, 82% to 18%.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/15/insiders_see_obama_winning.html

http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/polls-2012-10/?mid=nymag_press

[leveymg]

11. You're dead wrong, as is Real Clear Politics. Nothing has fundamentally changed.

[dixiegrrrrl]

111. Real Clear Politics is a conservative site.

"RealClearPolitics is a political news and polling data aggregator based in Chicago, Illinois. The site's founders say their goal is to give readers "ideological diversity"
They have described themselves as frustrated with what they perceive as anti-conservative, anti-Christian media bias,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

[pnwmom]

172. Thank you. n/t

[Mass]

12. Take a deep breath. If you want to look at poll averages

you can look at Talking Points Memo http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard or others. They all have a different result depending on which polls they use for this map.

BTW, most of these sites have a bias, and RealClear is definitively biased to the right.

Pennsylvania is only a tossup on RealClear because their threshold is +5 and PA's average is +4.5.

What is true is that Obama's lead a month ago has decreased. But we have not lost. This race is dead even.

[LiberalFighter]

13. Do you believe everything your friends, family, and neighbors tell you?

You shouldn't and you should consider how reliable the source of the data.

[Deep13]

72. you mean other voters? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. What Other Voters?

The president is currently leading in enough states to provide him with the 270 Electoral College Votes necessary for reelection.

[Generic Brad]

14. Have you considered the President's large lead in early voting?

Romney has a lot of ground to make up in the 40 states allowing early voting. It won't be long and the President's electoral lead will be mathematically insurmountable. We are also projected to hold the Senate. I would call that winning.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I Don't Like This Thread, Errrrr, Call, Not A Very Good Thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_-I7oZBn5q8

[theinquisitivechad]

17. Ohio a toss-up?

Yeah. . .about that. . .

[dkf]

18. Romney has a very difficult road to 270. Obama still is a considerable favorite.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. This Is Quite Possibly The Worst And Most Pathetic Thread By I Have Ever Seen.

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I wish you a long life but I hope I never, ever have to see another one of your posts here. The defeatism that permeates your whole little missive made me throw up in my mouth.

[theinquisitivechad]

34. Yup. Total Eeyore post.

If not troll-related.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. He Or She Isn't A Troll Which Makes It Worse.

.

[Surya Gayatri]

98. +1,000!

[ProSense]

25. It shows

Arizona leaning Romney.

Jim Acosta just tweeted: Obama leads 44-42% in Arizona!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251140145

Nate Silver: Arizona and the Spanish-Speaking Vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251141125

Mitt has issues that aren't on the radar of most pollsters.

[dems_rightnow]

31. Nate Silver is giving a 96% chance Romney wins Arizona. N/T

[ProSense]

54. That's OK. He gave

Sharron Angle an 83.4 percent chance of winning Nevada.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021506630

The Latino vote is massively underestimated.

[ChiTownChavista]

27. The corporatists are pumping the white guy?

shocking!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Why Don't You Go Back To Posting At Stormfront Or Free Republic

That way you will be raising the intelligence of all three sites.

[mzmolly]

29. Nope...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

We're essentially down 9 EV's from the pre-Romney 'bounce' days.

[LeftInTX]

65. On Sept 30th Obama was @ 265 EV

On the RCP map.

[link:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_race_changes.html#previous_changes|

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_race_changes.html#previous_changes

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. Troll, Too Bad You Can't Sell All The Aliases You Created Here

You could move out of your mom's attic.

[LeftInTX]

82. I want Obama to win bad

Sorry if you think I have aliases.

This dip in polls has me concerned.
I guess you can say it's spurning me to action.

[MajPayne2]

112. In Desperate Need of Troll Repellent

[DemocratSinceBirth]

155. Something A Bulls Fan And A Heat Fan Can Agree On

Welcome to DU

[progressivebydesign]

113. the polls haven't as much dipped, as the media is now using "likely voter" models as we get closer..

but the LV model is flawed. It's based on assumptions about who votes. Outdated... that's why the early voters are kicking Romney's ass.. because they're not the nice white 59 year old women in wealthy conservative suburbs who have a parking space right next to the door and no longs in election day.... THAT is the "likely voter" model.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

153. Sure You Do And I'm Floyd "Money" Mayweather

.

[mzmolly]

116. Today the no toss up map shows Obama at 294 EV.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

[dennis4868]

32. Don't think it's right...

for other DUers to bash you...it's weird...but if you post anything that shows you are worried about thr election you immediately get attacked. Why is that? There is reason to worry...no matter how you look at it the election is close...mych closer than it should be.

[theinquisitivechad]

36. Not only is the title of the post incorrect -

Because we are not losing, we are winning according to the data cited -

But it shows unbelievable weakness. And is completely unhelpful in ANY way at this point in the election cycle. We are all savvy enough to understand the data. Better to post and say, "Hey this is interesting guys, what do you think?"

Positioned completely inappropriately.

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. It's one thing to say you're worried about the election, and quite another to discourage

election work. This statement is, in my interpretation, a terms of service violation at election time, though I'm sure others would see it differently:

"I'm not urging any specific action, because there is nothing we can really do about it."

I mean, are you kidding me? In the last three-plus weeks of a tied election, this poster is suggesting that the actual, ground work of doing ELECTIONS is useless? That's not just commentary; that's insane and aggressive and unjustifiable discouragement of voter participation in the election. What is its purpose? What is the purpose of saying that? Is it just information? This is, by the way, the second or third poster who has decided to include precisely that kind of language.

I respect your posts a great deal, dennis, but you're just wrong here. There's no reason to make that statement other than suppression of volunteer activities - volunteer activities that we desperately need. We need to fight. This moves beyond commentary to a TOS violation, in my book, and I would even consider PPRing the OP for that, or a temporary time out. I know, I know. Lucky I'm not on MIRT team. But that statement is ridiculous and abusive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. He Or She Didn't Say They Were Worried

They said our defeat was inevitable. That's a huge difference. I don't know why you obfuscated that distinction or maybe I do.

[RobinA]

138. The Tighter

the election gets, the more virulently will be attacked the people worried about its closeness. Watch.

[ClusterFreak]

35. Please.

Co-founder John McIntyre is a former options trader who started the RealClearPolitics site in 2000. Among the quotes attritubuted to him on Wikipedia, this is the money quote: "We have a frustration all conservatives have", which is "the bias in media against conservatives, religious conservatives, [and] Christian conservatives."

Next.

[progressivebydesign]

114. Thanks.. People need to KNOW who runs that site... "options trader" aka Mitt's pals. nt

[JeffHead]

37. The only poll I give a shit about is...

The one on Nov. 6th. It's called the election.

[thevoiceofreason]

41. I'm glad our CT's got their rest

This morning was far too quiet.

So, here goes:

OOHHHH NNNBOOOEEESSSS!!!!!!

[november3rd]

42. RCP is a Right Wing Site

MI, PA, WI, NE and NH are not toss-ups. Neither are Oregon and Ohio.

[Azathoth]

115. Sums it up

Except for NH. I think that really is 50-50 this year.

[Sugarcoated]

146. NE?

Do you mean ME?

[budkin]

43. No we're not but thanks for the concern

[speedoo]

44. What a pathetic post.

Ed Gillespie would be proud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. I Didn't Realize You Can See Who Recommended A Thread

But you can.


Wow
Wow
Wow

[writes3000]

52. Tells you a lot, dorsn't it?

[theinquisitivechad]

55. Throw a bone to a N00B?

How does one do this?

[Maximumnegro]

56. Right under the post by the

Facebook and google plus buttons is a DU Rec button and above that a counter you can click on to see who Rec'd.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Scroll Over The Box But Be Careful Not To Recommend It Yourself

You also can see who voted in a poll. I have a problem with that, for obvious reasons, but I have no problem in seeing who recommended a thread.

[writes3000]

60. You can also click on Thread Info. It lists who recommended the post as well.

[Cha]

132. I didn't either, DSB...normally I wouldn't care but I went and checked

it out. Good to know who the recommenders of defeatists are.

What a silly stupid OP. Not only have to fight the Psychopathic Plutocrats but those on DU who for whatever reason set their own hair on fire.

[Indpndnt]

47. That's hilarious!

Not just the spin and fake numbers, but the idea that anyone with brains would buy this!

[rtracey]

48. Right wing

Any time you get a right wing poll, it's going to show right leanings.

[DemKittyNC]

53. WTH?

Rmoney screws up every day just about, says the dumbest most idiotic statements ever, had no plan for the country to run on, constantly lies, his whole campaign is one big fake and people know this, he only has the low intelligent and most but not all of the 1% in his pocket, he is severally under-performing with Women, Latinos, African-American, LGBT and many more groups of people, has a running mate who is a known liar and severally inexperienced to qualify for the job of Vice President/President and had his ass handed to him by an experienced Vice President Biden in the last debate, I almost forgot to add the constant conflict between Rmoney and Lyan they are at odds with each other on many issues - they really need to debate themselves, and on top of all of this Rmoney can not make a stand and stick with a single issue other then agreeing not to release his complete Tax Returns and so you are saying after all of this just because President Obama did not perform well in the medias so called "opinion" that we are going to lose???


Please! In the wise words of Sam Jackson... Wake The Fuck Up

[Maximumnegro]

57. Puff Puff Give!!!nt

Better not be lacin' that shit w/ PCP again!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. If Obama Is Doing So Poorly Why He Is A 3-2 Favorite At Intrade And A 3-1 Favorite At Betfair?

A lot of smart people, who could give a rat's ass who wins as long as they win their money are betting on the president.

[Lex]

62. another bedwetter is all . . .

[Lex]

61. My specific action for you is buy some Depends and that will help while you wet your pants.

[courseofhistory]

63. No we're NOT!!! All the other maps

have him higher.

2 of them at 29r

1 of them at 257

1 at 285

and so on. The lowest is 237 at electoralvote.com

Posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251141039

[Demonaut]

64. poll

At Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Long time poster, but an utter coward
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=142262

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Coward?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:42 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: i would normally vote to hide but those in the du community do not need defeatists
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: personal attack
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: This post crosses the line.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the

[HooptieWagon]

67. Oh noes!!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!

I see the chicken little concern trolls have returned...

[flamingdem]

68. You rang?

[MFM008]

127. a troll u can love. cute.

[tarheelsunc]

74. Something I just thought about

It may say Romney 47.3 - Obama 46, but this REALLY means Obama is only down 0.3 points. Remember, there are 47% of Americans who are with the President no matter what.

[2roos]

75. Naysayers - Check Sam Wang at Election.princeton.edu

Sam is the neuroscientist from Princeton who tracks the polls - he is pro Obama - but his analysis is objective.

[mzmolly]

133. Welcome

here is a link to the website you reference: http://election.princeton.edu/2012/10/14/jerseyvotes/#more-7533

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

76. You obviously don't look at RCP too often

They consistently refuse to "take a side" and list states as toss ups are are not.

And the idea Minnesota, New Mexico and Oregon are only LEANING Dem is laughable.

By the way, click the "no toss ups" button and get back to us.

[Zambero]

78. RCP is a VERY biased outlier and is best avoided

Aside from that: Romney's multiple lies teed up for Biden. He hit it a country mile. Now Biden has teed up for the President. There are 2 debates remaining. The closing debates carry much more weight than the openers and leave a more lasting impression. Incumbent Presidents have historically performed poorly at first debates, and that doesn't always guarantee a positive outcome for their challengers. If any doubt, just Google "President Mondale" and see what might (or might not) come up.

[Deep13]

79. thanks for all the ad hominem attacks--

how come polls are so encouraging when we are winning, but they are bullshit when we aren't?

are you really suggesting that and increase in toss-ups to 146 electors does not reflect a changing dynamic. there is no quarantee that this snapshot in time will continue on that trend. people are already donating, phonebanking, canvassing etc. first, I think that stuff is more of an annoyance to people than persuasive. second, what else can ordinary people do that they are not doing now? the fact is a lot of people are really unhappy with the POTUS and the only real question for them is Romney better or worse? Obama may have blown his best chance to demonstrate that Romney is worse.

[Egnever]

86. There are two more debates you know

Or maybe you don't?

[Deep13]

88. with smaller audiences, and fewer undecideds.

and O could lose those too.

[doublethink]

87. LOL ...

I can't figure out if this post is worse then your OP ...

"people are already donating, phonebanking, canvassing etc. first, I think that stuff is more of an annoyance to people than persuasive."

You can't be serious?

[Deep13]

89. do you live in a swing state?

[doublethink]

90. ...

Sorry if Americans that care, practicing democracy, 'annoys' you. It's just how it's done. Been that way for awhile.

[Deep13]

93. so, no, you don't...

...if you did then you would know from knocking on doors, making phone calls, receiving them, the numerous tv and radio ads, and talking to people generally that people find all that intrusive and annoying.

[alcibiades_mystery]

94. Which is why you haven't done jack shit

And now you're encouraging others do lay down and die just like you.

Seriously, you're a coward and a fool.

[Deep13]

97. Exactly what haven't I done?

Give details.

I can see why you hide behind an anonymous profile. It is easy to say so at long distance. If you had the guts to say it my face I would knock your teeth down your throat.

I have encouraged nothing. I merely state what ought to be obvious.

When I had money and time I spent both supporting candidates. The few who made it into office stabbed either the progressive cause or me personally in the back. I decided when Obama renewed the Bush tax cuts--after selling us out on health care--that I would vote for him again (the alternative being so much worse) but that is all. Anyway, I haven't much choice this time around as I have neither money nor time. So fuck you and fuck your sanctimony.

Jesus, I piss off my family by arguing against every RW misconception when they bring it up. No more, you are on your own.

[alcibiades_mystery]

102. Your post has no point at all

Other than that we should all lay down and give up just like you. Like I said, you're a coward and a fool.

I think we're glad to be rid of you. You have no fight to you.

[doublethink]

107. I'll just leave you with this ...

maybe you just need to get away from politics for awhile then. And threatening other DU'ers is kinda against the rules in here, I think. Peace.

[daligirl519]

120. LOL

You just made your agenda crystal clear - you're nursing a whole lotta butthurt because some Democrats have hurt your progressive sensibilities, and you want us to pay. Wow. No words.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. Respectfully, I Think You Need A Time Out. You Are Becoming Slightly Unhinged.

If you had the guts to say it my face I would knock your teeth down your throat.

[Maximumnegro]

130. Cut the shit. Romney has peaked. That is clear.

He is at 2pts nationally at BEST this week. That is the best that a-hole could do. That is his peak. Sorry but you can't be playing with a full deck if you see that as momentum. And if you are counting Gravis, Mason Dixon and ARG Florida polling then I suggest taking a bath with a toaster, it's kind of like a super sauna I hear.

Never mind that 3 different ESTABLISHED polls ahve OH at 4-6. A Republican can NOT win w/o OH.

But you know this. If you have 30k posts you know this - so unless you are a super troll or still pissed about Hillary I can only assume the synapses fire a little bit slower than the rest of us in which case it's going to be a long 3 weeks for you.

[hockeynut57]

179. assuming you live in ohio

like i do. from time to time i have to call my friends in other states to remind myself not everyone in these great united states are weak minded, cowards ready to blame any one not exactly like them for their failures in life. you know the ones planning the metaphoric cross burning as soon as the nascar race and larry the cable guy is over

[BootinUp]

80. I think instead of responding, I'll just read others humorous replies...

[graham4anything]

81. Obama won the election. 2016 starts soon after. We already have at least 7 polling firms

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:05 PM - Edit history (1)

that are related to Karl Rove or Dick Cheney and skewer the aggregate totals.

Months ago, when the media said it was a 1% lead or tied, I said he was ahead by 7%
and I continue with that.

debbie downers
sad sams
cutten runners

btw- you could write

through it all, Obama has a 10 point electoral lead even with the aggregate polls

so tell me dear reader, how is Obama NOT leading???

like d'uh.

when you ask 10000 fox junkies who they are voting for, what do you expect your result will be? Lee Atwater is laughing from Hell.

It's the political tool- the demoralization of the troops.

[TroyD]

83. 'Obama won the election.'

He did?

[graham4anything]

91. Mitt and little Glove are the Knights who say Ni. They just don't know they already lost.

guess you and I will go round the maypole another 1000 times in the next 32 days.

after which, you can congratulate me or I can congratulate you.

All Debbie Downers and Sad Sams do is the undercard will lose some seats, thereby depreiving us of the house, and our being able to investigate Daryl Issa for misuse of taxpayer money

[JimDandy]

95. Why not? If the thread's OP can

just throw out any type of way out there defeatist statement before the votes are in, then why not this positive way out there statement before the votes are in?

[Surya Gayatri]

101. What you said!

[Captain_truthteller]

134. Having an opinion about the present vs. making shit up

Two different things. The election is on November 6th. Nobody can be the winner yet. On the other hand, it's possible for one of the candidates to be "losing." That is a matter of interpretation. The claim that Obama already won is not a matter of interpretation.

[graham4anything]

148. the article plainly states Obama is leading. How matey does that mean he is not winning? eh?

besides, I am a numbers person, and the odds are 2 to 1 Obama will win (Nate Silver) himself.

which means 2 out of 3 chance
67%

how is that not winning.

The only people that are disappointed by a statment like that are people who do not want the #4 greatest president of all time to win reelection (IMHO) FDR/Lincoln/LBJ/Obama/Wilson


negativity= demoralization being used as a political tool

[AverageJoe90]

143. Here's a couple of new ones:

How about Bad News Bobby? Crying Cassie? LOL.

[DCBob]

96. RCP requires a hard 5%+ lead to get a lean.. for some states that will never happen.

So even though Obama has held consistent 3-4% leads for months in several states they are still considered "tossup". Its very misleading. Many of those tossups are simply not tossups... eg. PA, WI, MI, OH.

[WI_DEM]

99. I guess you decided to come on and deflate us after good numbers out of Ohio and Arizona?

aren't you special.

[hrmjustin]

100. Never give up, never surrender!

[intaglio]

103. TBH you are talking rubbish

You have taken the worst possible view, decided to roll over and die and are trying to persuade others to do the same.

Get out there and F'n well fight.

[Coyotl]

104. You are losing

you and that little mouse in your pocket

[underpants]

105. Real Clear includes Grvus Marketing and WeAskAmerica as serious polls in the "National Average"

Don't worry about it - not only are the polls still skewed from the sudden 14 point jump in the Pew poll but the battlegrounds (tighter yes) are still good and our ground game is dominating there. Arizona may be in play for crying out loud.

[Quantess]

106. No. Romney and Ryan suck rotten eggs and the majority of Americans know it.

Okay so Obama disappointed a lot of people in the first debate, but does that mean they will vote for Romney instead? NO.

Romney and Ryan are the worst presidential candidates we have had, since...well...since EVER! And people know it!

[Sekhmets Daughter]

108. Why did you post this?

What was the purpose? Do you really believe we are fools or so readily discouraged by nonsense?

[Drahthaardogs]

109. What a bunch of bullshit.

Why would PA be a tossup state? No poll has shown less than a 2 pt Obama lead and the average is five.

I am not getting excited over this drivel.

[progressivebydesign]

110. Wait.. don't you mean we are "loosing" ??? that's the appropriate spelling for these posts. nt

[Deep13]

124. no, one "o".

[Buddaman]

117. Beat it punk

and take your buddy mitt w/ya

[CreekDog]

118. You are verging on troll territory with "there's nothing we can do"

you've been here far too long to send such a defeatist message.

there is plenty we can do.

GOTV activities and other campaign work can make a huge difference.

in fact, in 2008 Nevada was won by 12 points --no poll showed that margin of victory --what we campaign volunteers did was help make that happen.

i'm pretty mad whenever anyone tells people there's "nothing they can do". that's terrible.

[Onlooker]

121. It would be nice to see this thread die, instead of remain in the top 2 or 3 n/t

[Jennicut]

123. More people watched debate #2 in 2008 then debate #1. I hate when people post that crap.

The VP debate in 2008 got the most but the second one got over 60 million. The second debate this year will get at least 50 million or more and that is plenty. For sure curiosity to see how Obama does it will get plenty of people.

Also, we need 4 states to win. Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio and NH or Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio and Nevada. I think we can get those 4. PA and MI are not going Repub this year, sorry.

And Tipp/Online is the first major tracker showing a Romney bounce receding. Obama can help himself a lot on Tuesday.

[Deep13]

128. I hope so.

I hope O. gives a really strong showing in #2 and that many people see it. My sister saw O.'s body language as evidence of him lying, despite the objective facts.

Even if we squeak by, it will not give the kind of down-ticket lift I was hoping for. So I hope all those states come to their senses, but having been "leaning blue" and now "toss up" strongly suggests movement in the wrong direction.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

149. You don't hope for that

You hope for the opposite. Up thread you posted what a disappointment Obama has been to you.

This defeatist pablum you posted says one thing: You WANT him to lose, which is obvious to everyone but you.

[zach1845]

125. WI NH OH are tossups MN MI PA definitly not

PA MN OR Mich are not toss ups.
NH definitly is as is Wis and OH

Lets look at this subjectivly. Romney cant be losing AZ, losing ground in the south (georgia) and increase in all the battlegrounds. but the few reliable national polls out recently have it tied or +1. unless of course he is making huge gains in states like Vermont Mass, RI ect.

[AtomicKitten]

126. That's the spirit.

[NMDemDist2]

129. oh fer dawg's sake, get a grip

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

what part of 294/244 EVs with no toss ups?



no Rec for you

[Harry_Scrote]

131. Deep13

I disagree, because you advocate, "really doing anything about it." I will not give up until the election is over. Particularly because, at the very least, if R wins, I can look back on my own efforts towards O's re-election as having tried. Thus, I cannot endorse your ideology here.

[union_maid]

135. But we're NOT losing

Obama is not as far ahead as he was before debate. That's all that's happened. The election may not be a lock. If we got a little cocky when things were going so perfectly, then I guess it's not easy to come back down to earth. But things seem to be picking up again and there's no reason to think that Obama is not going to win this thing.

[Kablooie]

136. Obama doesn't have it in the bag. We may still get Romney yet.

And if we do ... oh boy!

If he does half the things he says and gets to replace one or more of the justices, life is going to get pretty unpleasant for a lot of people for a long, long time to come.

[RBInMaine]

144. Take an anti-depressant, please.

[RBInMaine]

145. The sky is falling, the sky is falling, run chicken little, run.... Please, stop this SHIT.

[LisaL]

137. Oh for crying out loud.

What is the point of your post? To depress people?

[Deep13]

139. Well, thanks all for cheering me up.

The polling data is what is. It is possible for us to lose and me mentioning it will not make make it happen. Likewise denying it won't make it not happen. You're all blaming the messenger.

[K Gardner]

140. It's not our job to "cheer you up". Just go ahead and jump already. Put us all out of YOUR misery.

sheesh. Why don't you just go ahead and start your next post about how the world as we know it will end the Day After Tomorrow. This one's old already.

[Deep13]

184. job? I thought this was a discussion board?

Do people have jobs here?

Get over yourself. BTW, that is a horribly irresponsible thing to say and makes you the moral equivalent Fred Phelps--anyone who does not agree should die.

[Jennicut]

142. Obama is ahead in two tracking polls tonight.

Pick yourself up and get tough, because there is no crying in politics. There is only fighting. If you need inspiration, go watch the VP debate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

163. Three Trackers And A Conventional Poll

Reuters
Rand
IBD-TIPP
Zogby

[Deep13]

187. It's the frustration that is getting to me...

After having commanding lead built over the summer, O. blows it with--not technically a bad debate performance--but one that looked bad to the average person. What's worse, I keep hearing these bullshit claims about both O. and M.R. that are not only lies factually, but represent concern over all the wrong things. (Frankly, white relatives back home, I really don't care how many Puerto Ricans live in your town and neither should you. Welfare queens? Really? Is that even a thing?)

I suppose I should have said "There is nothing MORE any of us can do about it." After all, only O. can do the debates and only his managers can make ads and schedule his local speeches.

Those tracking polls, BTW are well within the margin of fraud.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

147. Nate Silver has said the freefall has stopped and its turning around

What we know is we need Ohio and another tossup state. I'm still thinking Florida because its being under polled.

[Raster]

151. I trust Nate Silver FAR MORE than I trust anyone.

He gave Obama a slight bump up this morning. So Obama's trending downward has been stopped. The second Presidential debate is Tuesday. My money is on President Obama.

[Deep13]

185. I hope so, but this should really not be so closely run.

WTF are people thinking?

[Dawson Leery]

141. PA and MN are NOT tossups. They should be in the dark blue column.

[Sugarcoated]

150. No, Obama isn't losing

But you ARE a loser

[Warren DeMontague]

154. DOOOOOMED!!! DOOOOOOOMED!!!!

WUR DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!

[FSogol]

156. Real Clear Politics is using phony Gravis Marketing numbers

This is just the Repubs running scams to scare Democrats away from the polls. Don't fall for it.
Gravis Market is trolling DU too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1539890

[davidpdx]

167. I think someone said that Nate Silver is also using some of the phony baloney polls as well

including Gravis. What I'd give for a cover story exposing some of these frauds.

[FSogol]

169. Yeah, those fraudulent numbers got tied into a lot of other polls and news analyzes

NPR this morning was talking about Romney's lead based on the RCP numbers. Total fiction.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. Greatest Thread Ever

This thread has it all... Invectives...Ad hominem attacks...Personal threats...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

160. Kasim Reed, An Obama Surrogate, And Atlanta Mayor, Was On Meet The Press

When discussing the preceding debate and upcoming debate he reminded people that Joe Frazier knocked down Muhammad Ali in their first fight and won a unanimous decision, a fact that literally made a twelve year old Democrat Since Birth cry, However Ali came back to win the second and third fight. History remembers winners.

If the GOAT had your defeatist attitude he would have retired and denied boxing fans and everybody who believed in him the greatest era of boxing ever.

There was no quit in the GOAT and there's no quit in my president.

[AspenRose]

161. Gosh, I guess I'll just go and slit my wrists now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

162. The Truly Sad Thing Is Now A Progressive Has An Emotional/Ego Investment In Obama Losing

How did he put himself in that position.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

166. Worst Original Post On The "Internets"/nt

[area51]

170. realclear is rightwing, like Faux opinion channel n/t

[Jersey Devil]

173. Yes, and they play the same game every election cycle

they try to scare the crap out of Democrats and then at the last minute substitute more legitimate polls so that when the next election cycle comes around they can make a claim to be "more accurate" than other sites. All anyone has to do is look them up to find out they are a right wing site but that's ok, because people will forget that by the next cycle.

[Bake]

174. I hope to God we're not losing.

But apparently it's OK. We can all relax. No need to GOTV. He's got this. We can chill the fuck out.

What kills me is how this all changed because of one blown debate????!!! What the hell was the President thinking????

Bake

[HockeyMom]

175. I will not be demoralized and not vote, or SWITCH to Romney,

because of MEDIA'S pro-Republican Agenda. All you do by this, and MAILING ME as a registered Democrat Republican campaign agenda, is make me MORE DETERMINED and fired up.

Screw you, Repukes. Even my Repuke husband KNOWS this.

[librechik]

176. look--incumbents win 95% of the time

we are only bickering about a 5% possibility that Obama won't get elected. And yes, I suppose that bit is up for grabs.

get a grip. We even elected the hated Clinton twice.

[lordjin]

177. One perceived debate victory

does not a presidency make.

Obama is going to win because truth is on his side. Truth is still the most potent weapon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

178. Sam Wang Says The President Has A 84% Chance Of Winning

I think I'll go with the Princeton professor of neuroscience and not some random poster with an agenda:

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/10/15/the-passing-storm/#more-7552

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

181. Real Clear Politics is full of shit.

States like Pennsylvania, which acccording to their statistics have always polled in Obama's favor, are considered swing states.

[craigmatic]

182. That site is bullshit. PA hasn't been close all year even after the debate yet they rate it toss up.

[Deep13]

183. New Gallup: bloody awful.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gallup-poll-romney-50-vs-obama-46-among-likely-voters

WTF is wrong with people?

[Jersey Devil]

186. Woe is us! We're DOOMED I tell ya

Aside from the shameless self bumping of your own op, just exactly what are you trying to accomplish with this silly string?

Polls always close near the end of an election cycle as people go "home" to their usual voting patterns. Bill Clinton warned his supporters before his second election it would happen and it did and he won handily after the polls closed in a very similar fashion.

There are very few people who are undecided or who are going to change their minds at this point. The whole deal is mobilizing and getting out your vote. That is what matters, not some poll numbers.

[Deep13]

188. possibly

"The point" is that it is true. Isn't that enough?