Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
48 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Wow! Super Delegate/ Lobbyist Howard Dean On Twitter: I'll Do What I Think Is Right For The Country' (Original Post) AzDar Mar 2016 OP
I don't like superdelegates UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #1
Just outrageous. I don't think Clinton was even VIABLE in Vermont... AzDar Mar 2016 #4
Scary right - when the Republican Primary is actually more democratic than the Dems! Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #5
More to the point, at present, why are people lying through their teeth, and to our faces, djean111 Mar 2016 #7
The Republican establishment suddenly thinks they are a great idea. kristopher Mar 2016 #28
Well Duck Fean NowSam Mar 2016 #2
He forgot to add "and my employer, Denton, lobbyist for Drug Companies" nt Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #3
Unbelievable. The Corruption and Selling-Out of our Democracy... AzDar Mar 2016 #6
Agreed. Dr Dean is now a lobbyist for Big Pharma so yeah, gotta be Hillary riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #26
We need to reform SuperDelegate system. REQUIRE them to vote with plurality of regular delegates. Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #8
Then you are part of the problem Gov Dean. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #9
Hey! That's me!! dana_b Mar 2016 #10
Mr. Lobbyist will do what is right for his pocketbook. Don't hide behind fake patriotism. Skwmom Mar 2016 #11
Wow! Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #12
Basically, Dean hates Bernie for reminding people outside of Vermont Ken Burch Mar 2016 #13
Yep GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #15
You mean paycheck Gwhittey Mar 2016 #31
That too. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #32
Super delegates = GODS. nc4bo Mar 2016 #14
Why should super delegates exist if they can't vote the way they wish. Renew Deal Mar 2016 #16
fuck you, howard, you're a sellout. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #17
yeah yeah. under the bus with another good Democrat. riversedge Mar 2016 #18
a "good democrat" who now shills for big MED. no thanks. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #19
If "superdelegates don't represent people" then why do they exist? stuffmatters Mar 2016 #20
evidently, it's to make sure that we don't screw up their party dana_b Mar 2016 #23
So abusing his privilege is what is right for America? Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #21
Under the Bus goes another good Democrat itsrobert Mar 2016 #22
No love and kindness from them that is for sure. riversedge Mar 2016 #24
we shouldn't be surprised - we have quite a precedent set to-date DrDan Mar 2016 #27
What about all the people here assuring us the SDs would follow the will of the people Arazi Mar 2016 #25
that's what is scary dana_b Mar 2016 #29
The courts could issue an injunction to stop the DNC from calling themselves the "Democratic" Party. reformist2 Mar 2016 #34
Would they? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #37
How will it play out? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #35
I fear that you're right dana_b Mar 2016 #45
Lee Fang @ The Intercept has written about lobbyists who are superdelegates. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #39
!!!!! Arazi Mar 2016 #43
The GOP wishes they had SD's right now nt firebrand80 Mar 2016 #30
I don't care WHICH side it's on... subverting the will of the People is disgusting and corrupt. AzDar Mar 2016 #33
With Howie it's all about money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Impedimentus Mar 2016 #36
If the super delegates vote against the will of the people and STEAL an election Dragonfli Mar 2016 #38
... AzDar Mar 2016 #40
To say people time from readin Gwhittey Mar 2016 #41
I am surprised he is not for Bernie hfojvt Mar 2016 #42
He now works for Gwhittey Mar 2016 #44
This was a perfect response on Twitter Oilwellian Mar 2016 #46
The elitists are showing their true colors whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #47
he's a crook. nazcalito Apr 2016 #48
 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
1. I don't like superdelegates
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

I don't like the idea of superdelegates. It just seems to be part of exactly what Bernie is talking about in terms of a rigged system. HOWEVER, why this cycle are people acting like superdelegates are some sort of new phenomena?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
4. Just outrageous. I don't think Clinton was even VIABLE in Vermont...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:40 PM
Mar 2016

Something is VERY WRONG here...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. More to the point, at present, why are people lying through their teeth, and to our faces,
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

about not having to worry about superdelegates, because the superdelegates will switch to whoever wins the vote?

Looks like Debbie DINO really WAS telling us that the superdelegates will protect the DNC from a grassroots candidate. I know that is not how her answer was structured, but IMO that is what she really means.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
28. The Republican establishment suddenly thinks they are a great idea.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

They want to create their own to keep the riffraff out.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
26. Agreed. Dr Dean is now a lobbyist for Big Pharma so yeah, gotta be Hillary
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

since he's now a corporate tool too. Despite what the Vermont voters want....

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
8. We need to reform SuperDelegate system. REQUIRE them to vote with plurality of regular delegates.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

After the convention, there is a focus on winning the general election, and then a focus on the administration, but I hope the SuperDelegate issue isn't brushed aside by the grassroots for 4-8 years.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
9. Then you are part of the problem Gov Dean.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:50 PM
Mar 2016

A political revolution in which politicians feel justified in vetoing the will of the people ceases to be simply political.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
10. Hey! That's me!!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

sorry, Howard. Didn't mean to get you into such hot water.

Actually, I just wanted him to answer WHY he decided to do that. I'll admit that the last part of my tweet was not too kind. I own that. But he responded anyway and I'll give him credit for that.

I just don't get it - except that he truly believes that he knows better than 73% of the Dem voters in Vt.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. Basically, Dean hates Bernie for reminding people outside of Vermont
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

that Dean was never really a progressive at all(as everybody IN Vermont always knew, of course).

It's all about the payback.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
14. Super delegates = GODS.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

I get a tingle up my leg just thinking about it and I'm not even a guy!

WOW what a thrill!

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
16. Why should super delegates exist if they can't vote the way they wish.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

If they can't, then they should be abolished.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
23. evidently, it's to make sure that we don't screw up their party
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

and according to Debbie WS, superdelegates ensure elites don’t have to run “against grassroots activists”. Cause that would just be awful!!

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/13/un_democratic_party_dnc_chair_says_superdelegates_ensure_elites_dont_have_to_run_against_grassroots_activists/

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
25. What about all the people here assuring us the SDs would follow the will of the people
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016


Well Gov Dean, 83% of your Vermont people want Bernie

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
29. that's what is scary
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

so if it comes to a point where it looks like Bernie may win due to the pledged delegates, then the SDs can all do what Howard here is doing and upset the entire apple cart. How will that play out for us, their candidate and the party?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
34. The courts could issue an injunction to stop the DNC from calling themselves the "Democratic" Party.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016
 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
35. How will it play out?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

Jan 20 2017 Someone holding a bible says "Mr Trump please repeat after me, I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
45. I fear that you're right
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

but maybe, just maybe some of the SDs who are firm in their convictions for a certain candidate (either of them!) will realize that that is not a good plan. They should let it all play out and then make their decisions.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
39. Lee Fang @ The Intercept has written about lobbyists who are superdelegates.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016
Lobbyist Superdelegates Tip Nomination Toward Hillary Clinton
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/17/voters-be-damned/

Lobbyists are not only staffing and financing Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, they’re also tipping the nomination process in her favor by serving as so-called superdelegates to the Democratic National Convention.

Bernie Sanders won the New Hampshire Democratic primary by more than 22 percentage points and by doing so, earned 15 delegates to Clinton’s 9. So it came as a shock to many observers when Clinton, despite losing the second biggest rout in state history, walked away with the same number of delegates.

That’s because Clinton had the support of six New Hampshire unpledged delegates — better known as superdelegates — consisting of prominent elected officials and members of the Democratic National Committee, who have the same power as the delegates chosen by voters. An Associated Press survey found that superdelegates nationally overwhelmingly supported Clinton.

There are 712 superdelegates in all, which is about 15 percent of the total delegates available and 30 percent of the total needed to win the nomination. If the nomination process is close, superdelegates may effectively pick the party’s presidential nominee, potentially overriding the will of voters.

The following individuals are unelected, Clinton-supporting superdelegates who simultaneously work in the lobbying industry:

* Jeff Berman, well-known for his delegate-strategy work in the past, is being paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign to organize her delegate-counting effort while himself being a superdelegate. A “top lobbyist” at Bryan Cave LLP, Berman previously worked as a lobbyist for the private prison company Geo Group and as a lobbyist helping TransCanada build support for the Keystone XL.

* Bill Shaheen is one of the six New Hampshire superdelegates to endorse Clinton. Shaheen is a prolific party fundraiser, and his law firm is registered to lobby local officials in the state. The most recently available lobbying records show that Shaheen’s firm is registered to lobby on behalf of the American Council of Life Insurers and PainCare Centers, among other clients. PainCare has faced increasing scrutiny as local officials have noted that eight of the 10 most prolific opioid prescribers in New Hampshire’s Medicaid program worked for PainCare. The flood of prescription painkillers has fueled the heroin epidemic in the region, as four out of five heroin addicts report beginning their drug habit with opioids. Bill is the husband of Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

* Joanne Dowdell, another New Hampshire superdelegate, is the senior vice president for global government affairs at News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News. Federal Election Commission reports show Dowdell has contributed directly to multiple Democrats as well as to the News Corp PAC, a company committee that splits its donations between lawmakers of both parties. The News Corp government affairs division works to lobby public officials and regulators.

* Superdelegates Jill Alper, Minyon Moore, and Maria Cardona are officials at Dewey Square Group, a lobbying firm that is closely affiliated with the Clinton campaign and retained by the Clinton-supporting Super PACs Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record. Alper and Moore are Clinton advisers who have raised over $100,000 for her campaign. Dewey Square Group, as we’ve reported, was retained by the health insurance industry to undermine health reform efforts in 2009, including proposals to change Medicare Advantage. The firm has previously worked to influence policy on behalf of Enron, Countrywide, Citigroup, Coca-Cola, the U.S. Telecom Association and News Corporation.

* Jennifer Cunningham is the managing director of SKDKnickerbocker, a political consulting firm that provides a variety of services, including advertising and direct lobbying of public officials. In recent years, SKDKnickerbocker helped a coalition of corporate clients lobby the Obama administration on a tax cut for overseas earnings; lobbied for weakened rules governing for-profit colleges; and helped a food industry group undermine Michelle Obama’s nutrition guidelines for foods marketed to children. Recent records show that the firm is providing consulting work for Independence USA PAC, the Super PAC backed by billionaire Michael Bloomberg.
Tonio Burgos, a fundraiser for Clinton, is a lobbyist registered to influence New York City officials. Burgos’ current client list includes Verizon, Pfizer, and American Airlines.

* Emily Giske, also a lobbyist in New York City, is registered to work on behalf of Airbnb, Yum Brands (the parent company of Taco Bell), Pfizer, and the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, a trade group for Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs, Fidelity, and Bank of America.

Although they make up only a small proportion of the superdelegates, the presence of lobbyists in such a potentially decisive role adds fuel to the critique that the Democratic Party is influenced by monied special interests. In recent months, the DNC quietly repealed rules instituted by Barack Obama that banned lobbyists from donating to the party.

Asked about the role of lobbyists as superdelegates, DNC spokesperson Deshundra Jefferson referred us to a blog post on Medium by Patrice Taylor, the director of party affairs and delegate selection. The post does not explain why professional influence peddlers were designated as superdelegates. As many commenters have noted, the post by Taylor also uses a distorted pie chart that minimizes the share of superdelegates in the total number of party delegates.

Superdelegates were added to the nomination process as a reaction to the chaotic 1980 Democratic convention, in which supporters of Ted Kennedy attempted to challenge President Jimmy Carter. The goal was to give the party elites more control. In 2008, superdelegates flocked to Clinton over Obama, creating a similar controversy over the possibility of subverting the democratic process.

The party has received increasing scrutiny as many activists have decried what appears to be a system designed to benefit establishment candidates, particularly Clinton. MoveOn.org sponsored a petition calling for the DNC not to allow the superdelegates to “deny democracy.”

Update: After publishing this story, we noticed several other Clinton-supporting superdelegates who work in the lobbying industry.

These include:

* Dick Gephart, Lobbyist for the government of Taiwan and big coal.
* Tom Daschle: Lobbyist for the governments of Taiwan and Japan.
* Chris Dodd: Top lobbyist for MPAA, the movie industry group that backs SOPA, TPP, etc.
* and last but not least Howard Dean, Lobbyist and business partner with Newt Gingrich.


Impedimentus

(898 posts)
36. With Howie it's all about money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

Howie loves all that MONEY, MONEY, MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
38. If the super delegates vote against the will of the people and STEAL an election
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

It will destroy the party, I can assure you that unless/if she wins by the will of the voters, we are not beholding to endorse or vote for a false nominee in the election.

The revolution will find another route to re-instate the will of the people other than a rigged system that only cheats us of our democracy. I will not endorse a coup of an un-elected nominee. I doubt very seriously I am alone, in fact, I know I am not. If she wins via Super-Delegate appointment rather than by winning votes, I will write in the democratically elected nominee as will many others. Dr. Dean needs to rethink his corrupt decision.

In other news, if she wins without stealing it via non-democratic means, I will vote for our Democratic corporate overlord, but she will lose the general anyway, because only less than half of Democrats like her or trust her, and the young will not vote for her, the Independents will not vote for her and she will lose in a landslide because two generations of Republicans hate her with such a burning passion we will see an historic Republican turn out, just to vote against her (for all the wrong reasons, but nevertheless they will.)

Hell 3/4 of the population believe she is a dishonest liar and her favorable numbers are so under water that NO ONE with numbers like that have ever won a GE.

The only way we are not screwed is if Bernie Sanders wins the nomination. I believe he can if the Clintons, the MSM, the Corporate sponsorship she enjoys, and our very own party STOP CHEATING, and yes, they have been cheating all along, in many ways, including election fraud in most of the primary States thus far.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
42. I am surprised he is not for Bernie
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

back in 2008 his DFA was ABC before the Iowa caucus. Then again, Edwards and Obama were considered viable candidates.

Really he is like an elector in the electoral college.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
44. He now works for
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice which is a big lobby group for health insurance companies. So no surprise here

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Wow! Super Delegate/ Lobb...