2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, Clinton is to blame for Sanders supporters posting nasty things on Warren's FB?
Explain to me again how that works?
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/elizabeth-warren-fails-to-endorse-bernie-and-his-fans-freak-the-hell-out-on-her-facebook-page/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I don't see a fanatic who defaces facebook here. I read a passionate belief. Personally I don't think Warren should endorse. She is more powerful by not taking sides. Anybody who knows anything about her message knows Bernie is channeling it. Unfortunately, Warren promised Clinton support quite a long time ago before Bernie even entered the face. To bad these senators have to commit to demands before they even know what those demands may entail a year or two later. Sure a lot of overreaction to benign posts.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Certain groups don't like a mirror being held up to them.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Yes, it is anonymous, unless you're posting under your own real name. Not everyone does. And then there's the millions of fake fb likes and Twitter followers that Zclinton bought.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Srsly?
yardwork
(61,588 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)to so many of these total B***S*** OPs that attribute almost everything bad that has happened in America since at least 1992 to Hillary!
She seems to have escaped blame for 9-11 so far, but that was a mere oversight, I'm sure.
Pretty soon, she may be implicated in the death of Justice Scalia - or perhaps not, because that was not necessarily a bad thing to happen.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)page and attacked her.
I just don't.
Whoever is doing this--is not Sanders supporters.
I don't know who has done this, but it's not Sanders supporters.
Sure, there are disappointed Sanders supporters who would like EW's endorsement. There are plenty of HRC supporters who are just as disappointed that EW hasn't endorsed Hillary.
This whole thing just stinks to high heaven.
I don't know who is behind these concerted attacks, but I don't believe that Sanders supporters would do this.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)who are attacking her on this very forum...
angrychair
(8,695 posts)who are attacking him on this very forum...
Response to angrychair (Reply #10)
MineralMan This message was self-deleted by its author.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)you also break your facade of comity. Pretty much how I pegged you.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Thanks for the reply.
Note: I reposted as a reply to the intended post. I somehow replied originally to the wrong post. My bad.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)That's what I hear.
Note: I mistakenly posted this as a reply to the wrong poster. I have self-deleted that erroneous post.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)or "No true Christian" argument.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I've seen disappointment from Hillary AND Bernie supporters regarding her lack of endorsement.
I have not seen attacks.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Oh... you mean someone was a poopyhead to her.
Never mind.
MaeScott
(878 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's a pattern and it's far to concentrated to be trolling. There really are Sanders supporters who are quite mean.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Bernie supporters were "sexist".
Sanders responded that he didn't want that crap in his party. And neither do Sanders supporters.
I think so much of this has been manufactured.
Plenty of mud slinging on the Internet--that doesn't mean that one campaign can be positioned as sexist, racist or whatever the talking point may be.
99 percent of Sanders supporters dearly respect Warren, regardless of her endorsements.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)millennial. One had content but no Bernie content. The rest that I have researched so far were fake FB profiles with, zero, one, or two posts and were clearly not "lived in".
Svafa
(594 posts)I saw no "attacks." I saw a lot of people asking her to support Sanders. So what? It's social media. People use it to voice their opinions and reach out people or companies who they otherwise might not be able to contact. If people actually were attacking or being rude or hateful, that's one thing. But I saw very little of that. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Sanders Supports right here on DU have done it
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)There were numerous, non-stop threads about Warren for President right here on this website! The only reason you all left her alone was to jump on Bernie's bandwagon.
I didn't see anyone supporting Clinton being even concerned about Warren. It was all Bernie supporters.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Here is post # 10 quote
"Senator Elizabeth Warren needs to demonstrate her mettle... or fade into the background..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511286752
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)about Elizabeth Warren. The OP was polite and focused on wanting her to endorse and keep her in the national spotlight.
I see a slippery slope here.
This has been done to Sanders supporters here many times.
Hillary supporters drag in anonymous quotes from the internet and fully declare that Sanders supporters are sexist, or racist, or "BernieBros, or horrible people...or now--that they are attacking Elizabeth Warren.
Many, including yourself---seem very invested in perpetuating this point.
MaeScott
(878 posts)they have done it before, spreading lies and innuendo. see Marcotte, Amanda and Capehart, Jonathan
angrychair
(8,695 posts)Always true: people are always who they say they are on the Internet...in real life I am a hot, lonely 18 year old nymphomaniac female that loves older unemployed men that live in their mom's basement.
(never said it was or wasn't anybody, just saying there is literally no way to prove it one way or the other)
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I decline them...sometimes have to warn friends who've been suckered.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)how absolute is the evidence that it is Bernie supporters and not Hillary conspirators? I admit a reach but still... I wish there were a way to check out the sources. Just not typical of Bernie supporters in my opinion.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Hillary supporters WANT to believe the BernieBros meme, so they fall for shit like that hook line and sinker. Brock is spending $100 million on his psyops PAC because there's plenty of gullible people that believe it.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)How many times have we heard Bernie supporters called "Bernie Bros" a slur--designed to paint all Sanders supporters as a petulant, young, mean mob.
We've also been accused of being "sexist" and Clinton's surrogates, including David Brock has maligned Sanders supporters.
It's really debased, dirty tricks.
We haven't seen Marco Rubio denigrate Ted Cruz's supporters; or Ted Cruz creating grade-school-level names for Rubio supporters.
Pretty sad when Republicans are being more grown up than the Democrats.
The Clinton supporters who perpetuate these broad-based lies about Sanders supporters really should be ashamed.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)attacks on Facebook. It's desperate and a debased, dirty trick on its own to blame it on anything else but where it actually originated. The originating article has been posted here numerous times. How could you have missed it.
Here's the gist of the Berniebro moniker that persists today. It represents a mindset that is still very much a part of the Sanders' campaign:
"The Berniebro knows a secret: The only reason you, and every other Facebook user, havent supported Bernie yet is your own willful ignorance."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/here-comes-the-berniebro-bernie-sanders/411070/
So it's the INSULTING mindset that people are willfully ignorant because they are not fawning over Bernie that is the crux of the Berniebro voter. And it is still happening all over, and it's very noticeable.
Jury: I didn't call anyone a Berniebro in this post. It's just a response to where the term originated. Thank you.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm well aware that it came from the Atlantic article.
However, it is name calling. And it doesn't represent the majority of Sanders supporters. It's a stereotype.
There are plenty of names that people could start calling Clinton supporters. It wouldn't take long to develop a cute, clever and derogatory term that paints all Hillary supporters in a very negative light.
But you know what? Most people aren't that mean and shitty.
That kind of behavior is routinely found with grade-school bullies or with select frat boys who haven't grown up.
Clinton supporters are just as passionate as Bernie supporters. Clinton supporters fawn over Clinton. Do you deserve to be collectively denigrated with name calling?
And look at you--trying to keep it going! Many of her supporters do this.
I've met thousands of Bernie supporters from all over the country. I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, met anyone who could be classified as a "Berniebro". I saw nothing but respect and kindness. Are there shitty people on the Internet? Yes, they're in both camps.
And while you're working so hard to keep alive this SLUR, I'd like to remind you that NO ONE on the Sanders side is doing this to you, or Clinton and her supporters. No Bernie supporters are grabbing hold of a slur that perpetuates a stereotype about the whole group and then repeating that slur. We don't do that to you.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)would even be so tone-deaf as to say that Clinton supporters are not completely maligned here. Name-called to the max, disrespected and completely discounted. You are only pissed because the media has pegged the Bernie "movement" and there is nothing you can do about it. Here you can do something about it by getting posts hidden. So there is no problem with maligning people, Clinton or her supporters. You are not fooling anyone.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)but you attack me "You are not fooling anyone" for suggesting that an entire group of people--Bernie supporters shouldn't be called names?
This is a political message board. Politics is discussed. Opinions are thrown out. Discussions get heated.
That's not what we're talking about here.
We're talking about a slur--a derogatory term and an unfair stereotype--that is used to denigrate a group of Democrats.
And yes, it is quite unsettling--that many of you continue to use the term "Berniebro".
And I am pissed that the reporter from the Atlantic pegged the term, because so many Clinton supporters are oh-so willing to throw the slur around and work extremely hard to keep the stereotype going.
As noted previously--Ted Cruz doesn't call Rubio supporters names; Rubio hasn't yet penned a slur for the Cruz supporters. It's pretty shitty to see this happen among Democrats.
This is actually something Trump would do. He calls his opponents "losers" and "weasels" all of the time.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)It was invented BECAUSE of Sanders' supporters and their attacks on Facebook. So you attribute malice where it doesn't belong, and you hint that it's a conspiracy from the Clinton campaign. That's quite a disconnect, but it's a definite pattern. Berniebros is more of a mindset that relates to those initial Facebook attacks. It is not necessarily indicative of gender. It is indicative of a vicious attitude towards others that if they don't agree with you, they are willfully ignorant. That is still a prevalent attitude. Sanders himself has hinted at that.
You don't recall the PUMA smear? I didn't even vote in the 2008, but I've been called a PUMA anyway. A PUMA is a mature cougar, but let me guess that it doesn't bother you that Clinton supporters are called mature female cats. I'm a real housewife from Orange County, but I've been called a corpodem and all manner of vile names just to insinuate that I'm some kind of phony Democrat that should not be associated with. WTF. That goes to the Berniebro mindset that I must be willfully ignorant if I don't dote on Bernie. How ridiculous. And Bernie has only been popular here for a few short months at that, so the whole name calling over one man is really inane.
It's interesting that you demand respect that you aren't willing to give.
By "you", I mostly mean the Sanders campaign and the attacks on fellow Democrats and his divisiveness.
edit: no sense trying to be accommodating when it's clearly not reciprocated. This title from the media has been earned by their nasty behavior, and that's the reality we all see.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)That he is addressing an imaginary group.
"
POLITICS
Bernie Sanders addresses 'Bernie bro' phenomenon: 'We don't want that crap'
Maxwell Tani Feb. 7, 2016, 10:20 AM 16,587 23
bernie sandersCNN
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) said he doesn't want support from the sexist "Bernie bros" backing his campaign.
In a CNN interview Sunday, Sanders condemned the largely online backers who have made gender-based derogatory remarks about Democratic presidential rival Hillary Clinton.
I have heard about it. It's disgusting," Sanders said of the "Bernie bro" phenomenon. "Look, we don't want that crap. We will do everything we can, and I think we have tried."
http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-bernie-bros-2016-2
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Yes, Bernie was asked to address sexist comments from his supporters.
Of course Bernie denounced any sexism and horrible comments that would come from his supporters.
I would too! And do.
The problem is that the name calling and the name "Berniebro" has been used by some in the Clinton camp--as a political device--to define the entire Sanders movement and to paint Bernie supporters as sexist.
That is wrong. It's dirty games. It's stereotyping via name calling. And it's untrue.
Many of you were routinely calling Sanders supporters "Berniebros" on DU. As a middle-aged mom with two teenagers, I find it all very weird.
No movement, or group or class of people should be defined by a slur---wouldn't you agree?
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... and the term Bernie Bros is just another in a long line. We've got Hillarians, Hillarites, Clintonistas, and on and on. The group referred to as Bernie Bros just go a little further down for their talking points than those using the aforementioned phrases. And so it goes back and forth which my point being that it is not a nickname that matters, but the behavior of those who have been tagged with it. I believe that I have always used the term Sanders supporters, who I believe are a big step above those who fall under the description "Bernie Bros", except on those occasions when I post an article from another source. Then again I may have slipped in the heat of the moment, but if I did I don't doing so.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Gotta spam those memes...
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)You know that.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)It's the same derangement syndrome that went rabid when Obama got elected.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)News flash - people here likely do not ACTUALLY vote because of the supporters. It is the ISSUES.
And yeah, this does have all of the earmarks of a false flag operation. The Clintons are known for their dirty tricks.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Bottom line.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Doubties.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)even Bernie knows they can lose control
djean111
(14,255 posts)But this meme is getting a lot of play today - wonder why?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)No shock on this one either. It's simply pass the buck. All the time. Every day.
Sanders fired a guy over data theft and they still blamed Clinton. I couldn't make this stuff up on my best day.