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So, Clinton is to blame for Sanders supporters posting nasty things on Warren's FB? (Original Post) hill2016 Mar 2016 OP
And who is to blame for it here? bettyellen Mar 2016 #1
It certainly is a mystery, isn't it? NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4
Well there are several OP's Here is one and the comments are doozies... fun n serious Mar 2016 #5
It is an opinion. snowy owl Mar 2016 #69
Funny for how all of that works. OP will be lucky if he doesn't get a hide. stevenleser Mar 2016 #62
Obama? LW1977 Mar 2016 #64
BINGO! bettyellen Mar 2016 #65
It's probably in the memo. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #2
How do you know they're Sanders supporters? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #3
facebook is not anonymous DrDan Mar 2016 #18
You can open several fb Pages under different names. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #23
The fuck it ain't. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #56
If Hillary is this powerful, she'll make a kick ass president. yardwork Mar 2016 #6
Exactly my reaction BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #51
LOL! bettyellen Mar 2016 #66
I don't believe for one minute that Sanders supporters took to Warren's FB CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #7
there are Bernie supporters hill2016 Mar 2016 #8
There are Hillary supporters angrychair Mar 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Mar 2016 #12
So you not only break your pledge to avoid posting until after the primary whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20
I see. OK, then. MineralMan Mar 2016 #22
But, see, they're not 'true' Bernie supporters. MineralMan Mar 2016 #27
Kind of like the "No true Scotsman" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #46
Yup. Something like that. MineralMan Mar 2016 #50
I have not seen any "attacks" CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #39
Where links??? UglyGreed Mar 2016 #54
How does one "attack" somebody on an anonymous website? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #57
Why don't they put the blame on republicans doing this? They operate like this. Hmmmm MaeScott Mar 2016 #13
They did the same thing to Planned Parenthood, HRC, Trayvon Martin's mother, etc. KingFlorez Mar 2016 #17
even Bernie has addressed the nastiness of his supporters - "We don't want that crap" DrDan Mar 2016 #21
Sanders comment was in reference to Bill Clinton's assertion that CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #41
I had to research as Hillary accusers would not. I did find one honest Bernie supporter, a Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #31
I looked at the comments, and, though I did not read them all, Svafa Mar 2016 #32
Well.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #36
Oh, please! Sanders' supporters were hounding her when they wanted her to run. R B Garr Mar 2016 #42
The whole OP is a good example. fun n serious Mar 2016 #9
99 percent of those comments were reasonable, political discussions CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #45
Brock and his minions are not above it, either MaeScott Mar 2016 #11
Yep angrychair Mar 2016 #14
I get a few fb friend requests a month like that. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #25
I regret that people would do this but... snowy owl Mar 2016 #15
There is no evidence, just wishful thinking. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #26
The "BernieBros" named calling--was invented to malign the Sanders campaign CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #49
omg, wrong again! Berniebros was invented by the media because of the Sanders supporters R B Garr Mar 2016 #53
I understand where the term "Bernie Bro" came from CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #59
How completely and utterly self-serving and completely laughable that you R B Garr Mar 2016 #60
So you address that Clinton is being called names CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #63
You said Berniebros was invented to malign Sanders supporters, which is wrong. R B Garr Mar 2016 #68
Someone needs to tell Bernie... quickesst Mar 2016 #55
What a game you guys play CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #61
Bernie acknowledges that this group exists...... quickesst Mar 2016 #67
Ah... more dupe flaunting whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #16
They arent Sanders voters. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #19
true - supporters, perhaps, but not voters DrDan Mar 2016 #24
There seem to be plenty of Sanders supporters who don't vote. brooklynite Mar 2016 #29
Clinton & Clinton supporters are to blame for everything. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #28
. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #30
Hasn't this story passed its sell-by date? djean111 Mar 2016 #33
and Bernie has already had to tell his supporters that "We don't want that crap here" DrDan Mar 2016 #35
None of this is a reason for any sane person to stop supporting Bernie, and start supporting Hillary djean111 Mar 2016 #37
true - I wasn't suggesting that DrDan Mar 2016 #38
Then - what is your point? Just poo-flinging? djean111 Mar 2016 #40
no - just responding to your assertion blaming the latest berniebro actions on the Clintons DrDan Mar 2016 #47
I said I wouldn't be surprised, is all. No one would. djean111 Mar 2016 #48
unhinged is the word that comes to mind DrDan Mar 2016 #34
Another thread UglyGreed Mar 2016 #43
Berniebro logic I guess Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #44
Clinton was blamed for campaign tampering done by the Sanders campaign. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #52
Blame it onto Hillary supporters is the gig. But it is stupid to that. riversedge Mar 2016 #58
Dedicated to op silenttigersong Mar 2016 #70

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
69. It is an opinion.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

I don't see a fanatic who defaces facebook here. I read a passionate belief. Personally I don't think Warren should endorse. She is more powerful by not taking sides. Anybody who knows anything about her message knows Bernie is channeling it. Unfortunately, Warren promised Clinton support quite a long time ago before Bernie even entered the face. To bad these senators have to commit to demands before they even know what those demands may entail a year or two later. Sure a lot of overreaction to benign posts.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
62. Funny for how all of that works. OP will be lucky if he doesn't get a hide.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

Certain groups don't like a mirror being held up to them.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. How do you know they're Sanders supporters?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
23. You can open several fb Pages under different names.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, it is anonymous, unless you're posting under your own real name. Not everyone does. And then there's the millions of fake fb likes and Twitter followers that Zclinton bought.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
51. Exactly my reaction
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016

to so many of these total B***S*** OPs that attribute almost everything bad that has happened in America since at least 1992 to Hillary!

She seems to have escaped blame for 9-11 so far, but that was a mere oversight, I'm sure.

Pretty soon, she may be implicated in the death of Justice Scalia - or perhaps not, because that was not necessarily a bad thing to happen.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
7. I don't believe for one minute that Sanders supporters took to Warren's FB
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

page and attacked her.

I just don't.

Whoever is doing this--is not Sanders supporters.

I don't know who has done this, but it's not Sanders supporters.

Sure, there are disappointed Sanders supporters who would like EW's endorsement. There are plenty of HRC supporters who are just as disappointed that EW hasn't endorsed Hillary.

This whole thing just stinks to high heaven.

I don't know who is behind these concerted attacks, but I don't believe that Sanders supporters would do this.

Response to angrychair (Reply #10)

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
20. So you not only break your pledge to avoid posting until after the primary
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

you also break your facade of comity. Pretty much how I pegged you.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
22. I see. OK, then.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for the reply.

Note: I reposted as a reply to the intended post. I somehow replied originally to the wrong post. My bad.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
27. But, see, they're not 'true' Bernie supporters.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

That's what I hear.

Note: I mistakenly posted this as a reply to the wrong poster. I have self-deleted that erroneous post.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
39. I have not seen any "attacks"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

I've seen disappointment from Hillary AND Bernie supporters regarding her lack of endorsement.

I have not seen attacks.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
57. How does one "attack" somebody on an anonymous website?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

Oh... you mean someone was a poopyhead to her.

Never mind.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
17. They did the same thing to Planned Parenthood, HRC, Trayvon Martin's mother, etc.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

It's a pattern and it's far to concentrated to be trolling. There really are Sanders supporters who are quite mean.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
41. Sanders comment was in reference to Bill Clinton's assertion that
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie supporters were "sexist".

Sanders responded that he didn't want that crap in his party. And neither do Sanders supporters.

I think so much of this has been manufactured.

Plenty of mud slinging on the Internet--that doesn't mean that one campaign can be positioned as sexist, racist or whatever the talking point may be.

99 percent of Sanders supporters dearly respect Warren, regardless of her endorsements.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
31. I had to research as Hillary accusers would not. I did find one honest Bernie supporter, a
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

millennial. One had content but no Bernie content. The rest that I have researched so far were fake FB profiles with, zero, one, or two posts and were clearly not "lived in".

Svafa

(594 posts)
32. I looked at the comments, and, though I did not read them all,
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

I saw no "attacks." I saw a lot of people asking her to support Sanders. So what? It's social media. People use it to voice their opinions and reach out people or companies who they otherwise might not be able to contact. If people actually were attacking or being rude or hateful, that's one thing. But I saw very little of that. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
42. Oh, please! Sanders' supporters were hounding her when they wanted her to run.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

There were numerous, non-stop threads about Warren for President right here on this website! The only reason you all left her alone was to jump on Bernie's bandwagon.

I didn't see anyone supporting Clinton being even concerned about Warren. It was all Bernie supporters.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
9. The whole OP is a good example.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:24 PM
Mar 2016

Here is post # 10 quote

"Senator Elizabeth Warren needs to demonstrate her mettle... or fade into the background..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511286752

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
45. 99 percent of those comments were reasonable, political discussions
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016

about Elizabeth Warren. The OP was polite and focused on wanting her to endorse and keep her in the national spotlight.

I see a slippery slope here.

This has been done to Sanders supporters here many times.

Hillary supporters drag in anonymous quotes from the internet and fully declare that Sanders supporters are sexist, or racist, or "BernieBros, or horrible people...or now--that they are attacking Elizabeth Warren.

Many, including yourself---seem very invested in perpetuating this point.







MaeScott

(878 posts)
11. Brock and his minions are not above it, either
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

they have done it before, spreading lies and innuendo. see Marcotte, Amanda and Capehart, Jonathan

angrychair

(8,695 posts)
14. Yep
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

Always true: people are always who they say they are on the Internet...in real life I am a hot, lonely 18 year old nymphomaniac female that loves older unemployed men that live in their mom's basement.

(never said it was or wasn't anybody, just saying there is literally no way to prove it one way or the other)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. I get a few fb friend requests a month like that.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

I decline them...sometimes have to warn friends who've been suckered.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
15. I regret that people would do this but...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

how absolute is the evidence that it is Bernie supporters and not Hillary conspirators? I admit a reach but still... I wish there were a way to check out the sources. Just not typical of Bernie supporters in my opinion.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
26. There is no evidence, just wishful thinking.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary supporters WANT to believe the BernieBros meme, so they fall for shit like that hook line and sinker. Brock is spending $100 million on his psyops PAC because there's plenty of gullible people that believe it.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
49. The "BernieBros" named calling--was invented to malign the Sanders campaign
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

How many times have we heard Bernie supporters called "Bernie Bros" a slur--designed to paint all Sanders supporters as a petulant, young, mean mob.

We've also been accused of being "sexist" and Clinton's surrogates, including David Brock has maligned Sanders supporters.

It's really debased, dirty tricks.

We haven't seen Marco Rubio denigrate Ted Cruz's supporters; or Ted Cruz creating grade-school-level names for Rubio supporters.

Pretty sad when Republicans are being more grown up than the Democrats.

The Clinton supporters who perpetuate these broad-based lies about Sanders supporters really should be ashamed.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
53. omg, wrong again! Berniebros was invented by the media because of the Sanders supporters
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

attacks on Facebook. It's desperate and a debased, dirty trick on its own to blame it on anything else but where it actually originated. The originating article has been posted here numerous times. How could you have missed it.

Here's the gist of the Berniebro moniker that persists today. It represents a mindset that is still very much a part of the Sanders' campaign:

"The Berniebro knows a secret: The only reason you, and every other Facebook user, haven’t supported Bernie yet is your own willful ignorance."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/here-comes-the-berniebro-bernie-sanders/411070/

So it's the INSULTING mindset that people are willfully ignorant because they are not fawning over Bernie that is the crux of the Berniebro voter. And it is still happening all over, and it's very noticeable.

Jury: I didn't call anyone a Berniebro in this post. It's just a response to where the term originated. Thank you.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
59. I understand where the term "Bernie Bro" came from
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

I'm well aware that it came from the Atlantic article.

However, it is name calling. And it doesn't represent the majority of Sanders supporters. It's a stereotype.

There are plenty of names that people could start calling Clinton supporters. It wouldn't take long to develop a cute, clever and derogatory term that paints all Hillary supporters in a very negative light.

But you know what? Most people aren't that mean and shitty.

That kind of behavior is routinely found with grade-school bullies or with select frat boys who haven't grown up.

Clinton supporters are just as passionate as Bernie supporters. Clinton supporters fawn over Clinton. Do you deserve to be collectively denigrated with name calling?

And look at you--trying to keep it going! Many of her supporters do this.

I've met thousands of Bernie supporters from all over the country. I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, met anyone who could be classified as a "Berniebro". I saw nothing but respect and kindness. Are there shitty people on the Internet? Yes, they're in both camps.

And while you're working so hard to keep alive this SLUR, I'd like to remind you that NO ONE on the Sanders side is doing this to you, or Clinton and her supporters. No Bernie supporters are grabbing hold of a slur that perpetuates a stereotype about the whole group and then repeating that slur. We don't do that to you.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
60. How completely and utterly self-serving and completely laughable that you
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

would even be so tone-deaf as to say that Clinton supporters are not completely maligned here. Name-called to the max, disrespected and completely discounted. You are only pissed because the media has pegged the Bernie "movement" and there is nothing you can do about it. Here you can do something about it by getting posts hidden. So there is no problem with maligning people, Clinton or her supporters. You are not fooling anyone.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
63. So you address that Clinton is being called names
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

but you attack me "You are not fooling anyone" for suggesting that an entire group of people--Bernie supporters shouldn't be called names?

This is a political message board. Politics is discussed. Opinions are thrown out. Discussions get heated.

That's not what we're talking about here.

We're talking about a slur--a derogatory term and an unfair stereotype--that is used to denigrate a group of Democrats.

And yes, it is quite unsettling--that many of you continue to use the term "Berniebro".

And I am pissed that the reporter from the Atlantic pegged the term, because so many Clinton supporters are oh-so willing to throw the slur around and work extremely hard to keep the stereotype going.

As noted previously--Ted Cruz doesn't call Rubio supporters names; Rubio hasn't yet penned a slur for the Cruz supporters. It's pretty shitty to see this happen among Democrats.

This is actually something Trump would do. He calls his opponents "losers" and "weasels" all of the time.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
68. You said Berniebros was invented to malign Sanders supporters, which is wrong.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

It was invented BECAUSE of Sanders' supporters and their attacks on Facebook. So you attribute malice where it doesn't belong, and you hint that it's a conspiracy from the Clinton campaign. That's quite a disconnect, but it's a definite pattern. Berniebros is more of a mindset that relates to those initial Facebook attacks. It is not necessarily indicative of gender. It is indicative of a vicious attitude towards others that if they don't agree with you, they are willfully ignorant. That is still a prevalent attitude. Sanders himself has hinted at that.

You don't recall the PUMA smear? I didn't even vote in the 2008, but I've been called a PUMA anyway. A PUMA is a mature cougar, but let me guess that it doesn't bother you that Clinton supporters are called mature female cats. I'm a real housewife from Orange County, but I've been called a corpodem and all manner of vile names just to insinuate that I'm some kind of phony Democrat that should not be associated with. WTF. That goes to the Berniebro mindset that I must be willfully ignorant if I don't dote on Bernie. How ridiculous. And Bernie has only been popular here for a few short months at that, so the whole name calling over one man is really inane.

It's interesting that you demand respect that you aren't willing to give.

By "you", I mostly mean the Sanders campaign and the attacks on fellow Democrats and his divisiveness.
edit: no sense trying to be accommodating when it's clearly not reciprocated. This title from the media has been earned by their nasty behavior, and that's the reality we all see.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
55. Someone needs to tell Bernie...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

That he is addressing an imaginary group.


"

POLITICS

Bernie Sanders addresses 'Bernie bro' phenomenon: 'We don't want that crap'
Maxwell Tani Feb. 7, 2016, 10:20 AM 16,587 23
bernie sandersCNN

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) said he doesn't want support from the sexist "Bernie bros" backing his campaign.

In a CNN interview Sunday, Sanders condemned the largely online backers who have made gender-based derogatory remarks about Democratic presidential rival Hillary Clinton.

“I have heard about it. It's disgusting," Sanders said of the "Bernie bro" phenomenon. "Look, we don't want that crap. We will do everything we can, and I think we have tried."

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-bernie-bros-2016-2

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
61. What a game you guys play
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, Bernie was asked to address sexist comments from his supporters.

Of course Bernie denounced any sexism and horrible comments that would come from his supporters.

I would too! And do.

The problem is that the name calling and the name "Berniebro" has been used by some in the Clinton camp--as a political device--to define the entire Sanders movement and to paint Bernie supporters as sexist.

That is wrong. It's dirty games. It's stereotyping via name calling. And it's untrue.

Many of you were routinely calling Sanders supporters "Berniebros" on DU. As a middle-aged mom with two teenagers, I find it all very weird.

No movement, or group or class of people should be defined by a slur---wouldn't you agree?





quickesst

(6,280 posts)
67. Bernie acknowledges that this group exists......
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

... and the term Bernie Bros is just another in a long line. We've got Hillarians, Hillarites, Clintonistas, and on and on. The group referred to as Bernie Bros just go a little further down for their talking points than those using the aforementioned phrases. And so it goes back and forth which my point being that it is not a nickname that matters, but the behavior of those who have been tagged with it. I believe that I have always used the term Sanders supporters, who I believe are a big step above those who fall under the description "Bernie Bros", except on those occasions when I post an article from another source. Then again I may have slipped in the heat of the moment, but if I did I don't doing so.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
28. Clinton & Clinton supporters are to blame for everything.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

It's the same derangement syndrome that went rabid when Obama got elected.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
33. Hasn't this story passed its sell-by date?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

News flash - people here likely do not ACTUALLY vote because of the supporters. It is the ISSUES.

And yeah, this does have all of the earmarks of a false flag operation. The Clintons are known for their dirty tricks.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
37. None of this is a reason for any sane person to stop supporting Bernie, and start supporting Hillary
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Bottom line.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
47. no - just responding to your assertion blaming the latest berniebro actions on the Clintons
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

even Bernie knows they can lose control

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
48. I said I wouldn't be surprised, is all. No one would.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

But this meme is getting a lot of play today - wonder why?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
52. Clinton was blamed for campaign tampering done by the Sanders campaign.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

No shock on this one either. It's simply pass the buck. All the time. Every day.

Sanders fired a guy over data theft and they still blamed Clinton. I couldn't make this stuff up on my best day.

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