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Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:30 AM

Not a good day for Hillary: Honduran enviro activist Berta Caceres assassinated

As if the email thing wasn't enough, we are reminded again today of Hillary's very bad record as Secretary of State in her admitted involvement of the American led military coup against democratically elected Zelaya in 2009. It's in her book, Hard Choices. Not only the violence in Honduras, but also the refugee 'crises' of Hondurans in the US can be laid at her feet.

The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html

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Reply Not a good day for Hillary: Honduran enviro activist Berta Caceres assassinated (Original post)
floppyboo Mar 2016 OP
floppyboo Mar 2016 #1
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Wilms Mar 2016 #2
iandhr Mar 2016 #3
Arazi Mar 2016 #4
great white snark Mar 2016 #5
Arazi Mar 2016 #6
John Poet Mar 2016 #12
SheenaR Mar 2016 #7
dana_b Mar 2016 #8
amborin Mar 2016 #9
bigbrother05 Mar 2016 #10
floppyboo Mar 2016 #11
yardwork Mar 2016 #13
floppyboo Mar 2016 #14
yardwork Mar 2016 #16
artislife Mar 2016 #15
yardwork Mar 2016 #19
arcane1 Mar 2016 #26
yardwork Mar 2016 #27
arcane1 Mar 2016 #28
yardwork Mar 2016 #30
artislife Mar 2016 #31
jillan Mar 2016 #18
yardwork Mar 2016 #20
jillan Mar 2016 #21
yardwork Mar 2016 #23
Arazi Mar 2016 #24
artislife Mar 2016 #32
Lucinda Mar 2016 #25
NCTraveler Mar 2016 #17
Svafa Mar 2016 #22
drokhole Mar 2016 #29
artislife Mar 2016 #33

Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:39 AM

1. Background on US/Canada dam under indigenous protest

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/honduras-archives-46/5233-honduras-indigenous-communities-resist-dams-in-the-face-of-threats-and-violence
Here's just a bit of the story: "Then the Lenca people of Rio Blanco learned of another dam planned in the area, this time on the Canjel River. The Canjel River Hydroelectric Project is already under construction near the border of Santa Barbara and Intibucá. Blue Energy – a brand new dam company owned by U.S. investor Peter Ochs of a Kansas-based private equity firm, Capital III – together with Canadian dam company Hydrosys Consultants, have begun building the Canjel Dam. The proposed dam is small, yet is being built in violation of ILO Convention 169, as the Lenca communities in the northern part of Intibucá, including Rio Blanco, were never consulted."

edit: the coup was to get rid of labour unions. Zelaya was kidnapped in his pyjamas. Sound familiar? Ask Aristide

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:41 AM

2. .

 

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:09 PM

3. This is a issue for her how? 99% of Americans haven't never heard of this person (including me.)

And I am pretty well informed.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:12 PM

4. Hillary's supporters simply don't care Ive concluded

Her bloody wake doesn't seem to concern them one bit



Kicked and recced and welcome to DU!

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Response to Arazi (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:16 PM

5. How the hell have you concluded this?

I've concluded that you should cut the bullshit melodrama it fools no one.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:33 PM

6. Any OP discussing her disastrous foreign policy decisions goes unremarked

by her supporters here. Most of these threads drop like a stone or get snark replies only (see upthread here)

Tk2kewl's thread has more than 200 replies - no HRC supporter can name a single HRC foreign policy "success" in more than 5 hours of it being up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511402280

For as much as HRC's supporters tout her SOS stint, nobody can defend it. Like this thread right here.

And melodrama? Yeah, ok. I'll admit to being deeply concerned and passionate about HRC's warmongering. She's a bloody hawk and its disastrous for the U.S.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:37 PM

12. Yep, they run like scared rabbits

 

from threads documenting Hillary's foreign policy neocon activities...

It almost seems coordinated, how they won't post on them.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:41 PM

7. I say send more children back

Really send them a message

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:55 PM

8. I just posted another article on this

it's from The Nation:
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-clinton-backed-honduran-regime-is-picking-off-indigenous-leaders/

These people are being slaughtered and she is proud of these "hard" decisions? Imo, it's sure not the experience that we need.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:06 PM

9. K&R This is what you get from someone whose role model is Kissinger nt

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Response to amborin (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:30 PM

10. Experience vs. judgment

A little bit of good judgment outweighs vast amounts of bad experience.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:14 PM

11. Thanks for the welcome to DU

I was beginning to feel super invisible. Posted something on Haiti yesterday (?) that was virtually ignored. It's truly frustrating, this blind faith in Hillary's 'experience' with no critical support of it. I can't find any - good or bad - from Clinton or her supporters!!! I'm scared of her. We're already too dangerously close to WWIII.
And thanks for the Nation article link!

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:45 PM

13. Let's make a list of the things that the All Powerful Hillary Clinton is Responsible for Causing:

The stock market crash of 1929, leading to the Great Depression

The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, leading to World War I

The election of Adolph Hitler, leading to World War II

The Treaty of Versailles, also leading to World War II

The American Civil War

The Spanish Civil War

The 100 Years War

New Coke

The extinction of the dinosaurs

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Response to yardwork (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:50 PM

14. that's really not very clever or even funny

What's your point? Would you like to be known as willfully ignorant, aggressive or just mildly snarky?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:51 PM

16. All three?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:50 PM

15. We just get upset about people dying around the globe because of our policies

 

But carry on....

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Response to artislife (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:53 PM

19. I've been upset about that for a long time. Sanders hasn't done jack-shit to stop it all these years

Nobody has done jack-shit to stop it. I gave up believing in a savior-politician a long time ago.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:16 PM

26. Yet you support a candidate who not only doesn't stop it, she enables more of it.

 

Cognitive dissonance much?

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:18 PM

27. All the Democrats are about the same on this.

Not great at all, but orders of magnitude better than the Republicans.

Bernie doesn't even seem to care much about foreign policies. That won't help.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:34 PM

28. All the more reason to demand better politicians, instead of simply accepting the status quo.

 

That's nothing more than surrendering.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:24 PM

30. I tend to agree. I will fight to elect the Democratic nominee. Trump would be horrible.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:06 PM

31. Obviously, looking at your avatar it is quite clear. nt

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:52 PM

18. It doesn't matter if it didn't happen to you, is that what you are saying?

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Response to jillan (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:53 PM

20. Now which team was calling Dolores Huerta a liar around here?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:58 PM

21. The video of the actual event proved she was a liar, and wth does this have to do with the mistakes

the deadly mistakes Hillary made as sec of state?

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Response to jillan (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:02 PM

23. The videos I saw of the event proved that Huerta was accurate in her portrayal of what happened.

The moderator yelled "English only" and the crowd cheered.

But, please continue to call a Latina civil rights icon a liar while insisting that you are heartbroken by global geopolitics.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:05 PM

24. And desperate deflection effort deflects badly. The thread is about Honduras

And the disastrous fallout of the coup

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Response to yardwork (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:07 PM

32. As a Latina, I can tell you...she was lying.

 

She has been a pillar, epic, amazing ...but she lied.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:07 PM

25. I will NEVER forgive her for New Coke

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:52 PM

17. Rest in peace Berta Caceres. Nt

 

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:00 PM

22. Shameful

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Response to drokhole (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:08 PM

33. But they aren't voters here, so tough cookies.

 

Shameful, really.

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